headmaster_dippet24
Jul 26 2005, 09:58 PM
Well a friend of mine said "What if Kreacher and Dobby were still following Draco?" Well that would mean they know were he is right now. I am not sure if they still are following him. Maybe after they got some sleep they started following him again because Kreacher would have to because he now belongs to Harry. Dobby said he would do whatever Harry said. Maybe Harry looked over the fact that Dobby and Kreacher are still following Draco.
Just a thought
headmaster_dippet24
Jul 26 2005, 10:07 PM
Please someone say something.
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tb42893
Jul 26 2005, 10:11 PM
It is a good theory. Who knows, it could come intoplay in book 7.
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samsmom
Jul 26 2005, 10:13 PM

That's hysterical! It never occurred to me, maybe it was just something that JKR overlooked, or something she assumed we'd think Harry called them off the hunt.
Snapelover
Jul 26 2005, 11:30 PM
The way it was left, I thought they understood the following bit was over. But, now that I think more on it...he never said stop. He said, get some sleep. What if they really were still following to meetings and everything?!? That isgreat. Good find!
headmaster_dippet24
Jul 27 2005, 12:02 AM
Yes, maybe after they went to sleep they started following Draco again. That would be really nice for Harry because then he can find out were they are.
Alkamax
Jul 27 2005, 12:08 AM
House Elves revolt. While we are at it have a pasty, sirr. Yes I definately think that this will come into play in the seventh book. Dobby gets back after so many years of torture. I only hope he is not discovered
headmaster_dippet24
Jul 27 2005, 02:02 AM
I think that if Dobby and Kreacher are still following Draco, that could be a key point. If they are following them, they will be able to tell them the location of the Death Eaters. Then the Ministry can go there with there wands and send Hexs and Jinxes flying in every direction.
Etrain
Jul 27 2005, 11:45 PM
Hmm, good observation. I never noticed it myself, perhaps it could have some real potential in the upcoming book?
fly_buckbeak_fly
Jul 28 2005, 03:44 AM
i dont know, but (sorry if this is off topic but it concerns kreacher and malfoy ) i really have serious doubts on kreacher being loyal to harry. i mean, we know that when he belonged to serius he was answering to the malfoys, so what if he still is? he actually called draco YOUNG MASTER when he was giving harry his "report" about malfoy. so who knows...?
laurahonest
Jul 28 2005, 07:34 AM
I hope that they are still following Draco as well. It could me just another slip of JkR's like when she assumed that we would know how Harry got the Marauders map back at the end of Goblet of Fire. It could be important to book 7 to have Draco followed.
Kreacher could not betray Harry. Sirius was very thorough with the will and Harry gave very detailed dircetions and limitations to Kreacher about warning Draco about anything.
headmaster_dippet24
Jul 28 2005, 08:50 PM
I really hope that Draco is being followed. It would be so great for the Order to know what he was up to and were the other death eaters are. They would even maybe find out were Snape is.
Millicenty Bullstrode
Jul 28 2005, 08:59 PM
It would be good that Draco is indeed being followed, but what if Kreacher betrys Harry because he considers Draco his "young master"?
idk
Jul 28 2005, 09:24 PM
it would help the order if they knew what draco was doing but because Dumbledore died i dont think there is even gonna be an order because he was secret keeper and he kept everything going i dont think anyone else could run the order because harry is so dependent and hermione and ron are going away with him and maybe even ginny will go
headmaster_dippet24
Jul 28 2005, 10:44 PM
I think there willl still be a Order even though Dumbledore isn't there. But to the Topic I think If Kreacher and Dobby is still following Draco then they might even be spying and they ca hear things that weren't ment for there ears. This would be helpful for Harry and then the Order to know what is going on.
king of the elves
Jul 29 2005, 08:23 PM
this could be true but then wouldnt the ministry have already ordered house elves to follow them and then they couldve arrested them
LadyPandora
Jul 29 2005, 08:54 PM
Lol cant believe this has been overlooked! what a great theory, of course it would be perfect to have some spys in voldermorts ranks, then we'd know what was going on both ends.. and i hardly doubt JKR would have forgotten about them.. well spotted!
darkflux
Jul 29 2005, 10:54 PM
I don't think he is because harry never told them to continue but on the other hand he never told them to stop.
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Bucklewheat
Jul 30 2005, 07:04 PM
Good point! It is one of the 'loose ends' which JKR has to resolve in book VII: How does the future look like for the house elves, and what does SPEW have to do with that (ie Hermione).
Harry can use Kreacher and Dobby as 'tracking-device' for sure, and it will be no surprise to me if the Elves prove to be a great asset in Harry's army against Voldy's Death Eaters.
Also, there can be a showdown: Kreacher-Dobby.
Dobby win please..........
samsmom
Jul 30 2005, 07:48 PM
This was a great theory,
but if the house elves were still following Draco,
Dobby would surely have done something to save Dumbledore... he had great admiration for him.Kreature, on the other hand, could have cared less, and had orders not to let Draco know he was there in any way.
Dobby, being free, was not bound by the same orders. He was going as a favor to Harry, and would never have let Dumbledore be killed (unless he was in on the plan---

),
rocknroll52
Aug 5 2005, 05:34 PM
That is a very interesting theory. I'm not sure if Dobby and Kreacher could have followed Malfoy and Snape when they disapparated. However, since Harry did not tell Dobby and Kreacher to stop following Malfoy they should continue to follow Harry's order. Thus, they should attempt to find Malfoy. I have no doubt that Kreacher and Dobby will be important in book 7.
gotta_luv_harry_potter
Aug 5 2005, 10:16 PM
Wow!

I really didn't think about that. Harry never told Kreacher and Dobby to stop following him, he just told them to get some sleep. I wonder if that was just something jk overlooked, because if it wasn't then Dobby and Kreacher would be able to give Harry very important information as to where the death eaters were! I'm not sure how loyal Kreacher is though. Although Harry's instructions were pretty clear he might be able to find a way around them. I guess we'll find out! Nice find!
jamorg
Apr 22 2006, 11:17 PM
I know Harry is supposed to get a new pet which i think will be another phoenix but does anyone think Harry will put Dobby under his services as his house elf? But not really as a usual house elf but to do jobs like get information for him and eavsdrop.
Goodplann55
Apr 22 2006, 11:31 PM
Well Dobby wouldnt be a pet then...he would be a servant, and harry already has Kreacher.
Plus dobby will do whatever harry wants and he doesnt want to enslave him so
no proabally not
we will just have to wait and see
jamorg
Apr 22 2006, 11:44 PM
| QUOTE |
Well Dobby wouldnt be a pet then...he would be a servant, and harry already has Kreacher.
Plus dobby will do whatever harry wants and he doesnt want to enslave him so
no proabally not
we will just have to wait and see |
I didnt mean dobby would be his pet i meant that he would be harry's house elf. Another one perhaps because he cannot trust Kreacher. And Dobby really wouldnt be under Harry's enslavement Harry would probably pay him as Dumbledore did.
cesador
Apr 23 2006, 02:22 AM
well harry has already used dobby to eavesdrop on malfoy and such, i kinda doubt that dobby will be harrys house elf just because i dont think he would want dobby around that much, but he will deffenietly ask dobby for help somewere theres no doubt in my mind of that .
Fenixong
Apr 24 2006, 04:24 PM
I have my own theory about who Harry's new pet will be... and I also think it will be a new phoenix we have yet to meet... if you're curious I wrote a very detailed explaination of my theory
here.
As for Dobby... I really hope he has a significat part in book 7. We really have yet to see the full potential of the magical power of the house elf. We know they have powerful magic but they can't use it unless their masters say so (Ron says so in CoS), but Dobby is free, so he can use his magic any way he wants. We get a tiny taste of Dobby's power at the end of CoS when he blasts Lucius Malfoy down the stairs. House elves also seem to be exempt from some of the enchantments and protections that appy to wizard, such as apparating inside Hogwarts. The only other bit of magic we've really seen house elves do is pretty boring (i.e. Dobby's hover charm on Aunt Petunia's pudding, Winkie binding Crouch Jr. to her at the Quiddich World Cup, and cooking and cleaning although they might not use magic for these). I could see Dobby using his magic to get around protections that LV has put around his horcruxes (this was not my idea... I read it in another forum, but I like it!).
I think that JKR created the connection between Harry and Dobby for a reason. It might just be for comic relief, but I don't think so. She gave house elves great power, allowed for them to be free and freed Dobby, made Dobby dispise the dark side despite being a servant of the Malfoys (note Kreather's alliance to his original masters), and made Dobby basically deify Harry... put them together and you get a potentially powerful ally for Harry in the fight against LV!
Can't wait for book 7!
quortimer
Apr 24 2006, 08:53 PM
Fenixong nobody can wait lol!

lol! I think that Dobby will play quite an important role in helping Harry and agree with Fenixong,
| QUOTE |
| I think that JKR created the connection between Harry and Dobby for a reason. It might just be for comic relief, but I don't think so. She gave house elves great power, allowed for them to be free and freed Dobby, made Dobby dispise the dark side despite being a servant of the Malfoys (note Kreather's alliance to his original masters), and made Dobby basically deify Harry... put them together and you get a potentially powerful ally for Harry in the fight against LV! |
But anyway abck to the topic of wheteher Harry will make Dobby his house elf, I think it ios a good possibility, after all at the end of the book, it says what happens to everybody that survived, hopefully Dobby will live happily ever after with harry as his master lol! but what if he dies..

How do you make an house elf yours though? I can't remember.
Lily_Potter_1243
Apr 25 2006, 02:16 AM
Why does Harry need a new pet. He still has Hedwig doesn't he?
Fenixong
Apr 25 2006, 01:58 PM
| QUOTE (Lily_Potter_1243 @ Apr 24 2006, 08:16 PM) |
| Why does Harry need a new pet. He still has Hedwig doesn't he? |
The whole new pet thing comes from a response that Jo gave in an interview. Check it out
here.
| QUOTE |
Could Harry have a pet dragon?
You can't domesticate a dragon whatever Hagrid thinks. That's simply impossible. So no. He's got more sense. He might get a different pet at some point but I'm saying no more at this moment.
|
This is pretty subtle, but it implies that Harry will probably have a new pet or another pet. I hope nothing happens to Hedwig either!
Thegirlwholived
Apr 25 2006, 02:04 PM
I agree, I think Dobby will have a fairly big role because his powerful brand of magic. I suspect that the House-elves have a even more powerful brand of magic than the wizards because they don't use wands to produce magic and they can apparate in Hogwarts.
Anyway, I hope Dobby won't die whne battling with LV!
fizzingwizbee
Apr 25 2006, 02:40 PM
As others have said I believe Dobby will be harry's house elf in the end. But I also believe Dobby is key to winning the fight against LV. If Hogwarts is closed (which it could be after what happened) there will be heaps of house elf's without a master. Where will they go? I think that Dobby will be asked by Harry to persuade them (with differculty) into helping him defeat LV and his followers. LV will have the giant army and Harry will have an elf army.
Fenixong
Apr 25 2006, 04:44 PM
| QUOTE (fizzingwizbee @ Apr 25 2006, 08:40 AM) |
| As others have said I believe Dobby will be harry's house elf in the end. But I also believe Dobby is key to winning the fight against LV. If Hogwarts is closed (which it could be after what happened) there will be heaps of house elf's without a master. Where will they go? I think that Dobby will be asked by Harry to persuade them (with differculty) into helping him defeat LV and his followers. LV will have the giant army and Harry will have an elf army. |
I think it would be sweet if they had an army of house elves fighting against LV... and I could definitely see it happening the way you describe, fizz. I have wondered if there may be other creatures uniting with Harry in the fight. It seems like we get some mixed messages from the books about this. There was a lot of time spent by Hagrid and Madam M. on getting the giants to be on the good side... and I don't think it was for nothing that Hagrid brought his "little" brother back with him (I think Grawp will have some role in book 7 at least). But then at the end of HBP, it seems like Harry, Ron, and Hermione are basically planning to do it all on their own. I don't know if that's really possible, but there do seem to be two different storylines being set up... sorry that's a bit

If there does end up being a house elf army (perhaps called the House Elf Liberation Program), I think Dobby would be hillarious leader of it... I get pictures of Jar Jar Binks when I imagine how that might go! YIKES!
jamorg
Apr 26 2006, 06:23 PM
I like the idea of a house-elf army on the good side however i dont think Harry will be the one to persuade them to join the good side. I dont believe he will have enough time with his search for the Horcruxes. Finding the horcruxes will be his only concern however i do see possibly McGonagall now that she is Headmistress ordering them to fight for the good side. After all even if Hogwarts opens which i believe it will but there still will be a great deal less of students. That will mean that the house-elfs will have a lot more time on their hands to spy and perhaps fight for McGonagall.
Lang
Apr 26 2006, 08:00 PM
He already has Kreacher for that. Though like he did with tailing Malfoy he used both House Elves. Dobby feels he is in Harry's debt, and if Harry asked Dobby to become his house elf, he would not say no.
Candy_Cauldron
Apr 26 2006, 08:09 PM
Certainly. Dobby is a very loyal house elf to Harry, and would consider it more as a favor for him rather than orders. I believe Dobby will be a very useful spy, and maybe he would be able to aid Harry in his search for the horcruxes...
arwen_
Apr 26 2006, 11:00 PM
I wonder whether Dobby could know important stuff he hasnt said yet. I mean, he lived in the Malfoy family for a long time and he knew about the diary, for instance. Would he know anything else?
Oh and it would be really cute if he became Harrys "pet".
NightDance
Apr 26 2006, 11:19 PM
| QUOTE (Fenixong @ Apr 24 2006, 04:24 PM) |
I have my own theory about who Harry's new pet will be... and I also think it will be a new phoenix we have yet to meet... if you're curious I wrote a very detailed explaination of my theory here.
As for Dobby... I really hope he has a significat part in book 7. We really have yet to see the full potential of the magical power of the house elf. We know they have powerful magic but they can't use it unless their masters say so (Ron says so in CoS), but Dobby is free, so he can use his magic any way he wants. We get a tiny taste of Dobby's power at the end of CoS when he blasts Lucius Malfoy down the stairs. House elves also seem to be exempt from some of the enchantments and protections that appy to wizard, such as apparating inside Hogwarts. The only other bit of magic we've really seen house elves do is pretty boring (i.e. Dobby's hover charm on Aunt Petunia's pudding, Winkie binding Crouch Jr. to her at the Quiddich World Cup, and cooking and cleaning although they might not use magic for these). I could see Dobby using his magic to get around protections that LV has put around his horcruxes (this was not my idea... I read it in another forum, but I like it!).
I think that JKR created the connection between Harry and Dobby for a reason. It might just be for comic relief, but I don't think so. She gave house elves great power, allowed for them to be free and freed Dobby, made Dobby dispise the dark side despite being a servant of the Malfoys (note Kreather's alliance to his original masters), and made Dobby basically deify Harry... put them together and you get a potentially powerful ally for Harry in the fight against LV!
Can't wait for book 7! |
I agree, we have only seen the tip of the House-Elf iceberg, so
to speak. I think she gave House-Elfs so much power for a very
important reason. Perhaps they will use it to overthrow their
oppressive wizarding masters (the evil ones, like Malfoy and
Crouch).
I hope they will join the Order the war against Voldemort, that
would be a good idea.
Maybe Hermione could lead the house into battle against the
Dark wizards who have treated them like vermin for so long.
As for Dobby I think he will help Hermione more than Harry in
book seven.
And watch out for Winky, she has a purpose yet to be revealed. Sorry, that was a little

Anyway, I have my own theory on what part dobby will play...
I SUPPORT S.P.E.W
magical_number_7
Apr 29 2006, 02:51 PM
Yeah the Order will still be around even without Dumbldore. I really believe that since Harry nevered ordered Krecher to stop following Draco that they are still there.[...but what if Kreacher betrys Harry because he considers Draco his "young master"? ] That is a very good point

, but still even if Krecher did find a loophole in Harry's orders about not talking to Draco, Dobby would surley find out and stop him
LilyPotter
Apr 30 2006, 10:49 PM
Wow... what a great idea! House elves have their own magic and they could probaly just apparate/disapparate right to where he is! I think that maybe Harry will TOTALLY overlook this fact, and maybe Dobby will show up the first time he is alone (or with just Ron/Hermione) and tell him! Awesome idea!
NightDance
May 2 2006, 01:06 AM
It is very likely that Kreacher and Dobby are still following Draco.
Reasons why:
1: Dobby was not at Dumbledore's funeral, he always liked Dumbledore so he would have been there, unless he was following someone...
2: House elves always follow the command given them until their master says otherwise. Which means Kreacher is forced to follow his previous orders until Harry tells him to stop. Although Harry is not Dobby's master he would do the same.
I believe that in book seven we will hear more reports from those
two house elves. As we all know, the whereabouts of Draco and Snape
would be very valuable to Harry.
El cheeser puff
May 2 2006, 01:51 AM
I dont know... I feel that if the two elves (or even just one of them) are still tailing Draco, Snape would have done something to stop it. I'm sure he knows of some kind spell to keep house elves away.
One more thing, how come everyone has cool little tags under their names, like "brewing polyjuice potion" and "on the hogwarts express" when I'm just stuck with "3rd year". Hahaha, I think its really cool though, good work to whoever thought of making the tags more specific.
Aye, I'm getting off topic, sorry.
kbye
Alec
Candy_Cauldron
May 2 2006, 11:04 PM
"You'd better go and get some sleep too, Dobby." -Harry
He never specifically said to stop following them, but Dobby is not exactly Harry's house elf. I think Dobby must have assumed that Harry meant that he didn't have to follow Draco anymore. Besides, Harry didn't imply or say anything about wanting Dobby to find out more. He said he would take care of it.
rainyDay
May 3 2006, 01:03 PM
wow! gosh! when i read the title of that thred i had to laugh... i entirely over looked it!
but it could well be! omg! this is so crazy! if they still followed him and harry thinks about that later, he might have sooo much information about voldemort!
but harry told them to give him regular reports...well, they didn't if they still follow malfoy! so it perhaps means they were clever enough to understand that harry didn't need more information!
Buckbeak/Witherwings17
May 6 2006, 03:19 AM
Harry didn't imply or say anything about wanting Dobby to find out more. He said he would take care of it.
I agree. I think that Dobby and Kreacher have stopped following Draco because that's what they thought Harry wanted them to do.
If they were though... Harry would know so much more and that would be great. However, I do think that they have stopped.
Remember my last....
May 6 2006, 03:31 AM
I don't think Kreacher is still following Draco. Kreacher would look for any excuse to stop doing anything Harry tells him to do. He probably interpreted it as meaning he could stop following Draco. We all know it was killing him to do it.
Dobby, however, probably took a break and continued. He's loyay to Harry, and would do anything to help him. Dobby is also loyal to Dumbledore. As someone mentioned before, there really is no mention of him at the funeral. Dobby would definitely be there. Something's up....and hopefully it will be to Harry's advantage. For all we know, he's been captured....
headmaster_dippet24
Jun 28 2006, 08:35 PM
Wow I haven't looked at this thing for a long time.
Dobby was never at Dumbledores funeral so that could possibly mean that e was following Draco. ANd maybe he hasn't been reporting back to Harry in fear that they might loose his trail. And somthing else a little of topic how come the house elves didn't help fight the death eaters off. Just a thought.
savingharry
Jun 28 2006, 09:27 PM
Snape and Draco disapperated. I don't think you can follow someone who disaperates. You don't know where they are going. So I highly doubt that they are following them.
-Fish
Weasley's_Wizarding_Weezes
Jun 28 2006, 11:35 PM
GREAT FIND!!! I was thinking about how Harry had them following Draco but it never occured to me that he never told them to stop. I definitely agree with Remember My Last... about Kreacher finding any excuse not to do what Harry tells him to, but I do think that Dobby might still be tailing him. That would be the best! But then again I think think that Dobby would have done something to prevent Dumbledore's death if he had been tailing him then.... so I don't know.
.... I'll have to think on this one!
CAPS LOCK
Jul 12 2006, 08:29 PM
after HBP we know that kreacher has to follow harry's orders and dobby would be happy to follow his orders. beacouse of this, will harry use them to track down the remaining horcruxes incase he needs an accompiance like DD needed in HBP
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