I didn't bother to find out the three dead, but..

The Coward = Karkaroff

The one he believed to have left him forever = Snape

and you got the third one. I think I'll go hunting for the identities of the three dead..

EDIT: Aha! One of the dead that Voldemort was referring to is none other than.. Regulus Black. Found out while re-reading the 5th (page 112).

I have the American version, and that's not on my page 512, so I assume we have different versions, so do you know which chapter that is? That would be really helpful, because I'm curious to know. And this is very interesting since I just got done re-reading GOF yesterday. I also thought that the one loyal=Barty, the one cowardly=Karkaroff, and the one never to return=Snape. I do have a question, though, that is semi-related. Why would Voldemort trust Snape then? I know that it is said that it is because Snape is powerful in Occulemens, but wouldn't Voldemort already know that, and so forth not bother to trust him that way, but look at the facts?
And I know that there were two Death Eaters listed together somewhere in GOF, since I remember reading it yesterday, but does that mean that there were only 3 Death Eaters ever killed? I suppose so, it's just surprising, but then again the Order only killed when Crouch Sr. allowed unforgivable curses to be used.
EDIT: Nevermind, I was confused. I re-read that section, and Voldemort was simply addresing a group or empty space, not all of the death eaters. I would still like clarification though, since it is very confusing.

Hmmm I think that Regulus wasn't one of them, because as I continued reading the 5th book.. I came across a passage saying "We were outnumbered 20 to 1 by the Death Eaters" (we referring to the past OotP).. meaning that there was more than 100 DEs... =| I dunno, I'm confused at the parameters of being a Death Eater.. what makes you one?

Yes, I don't think so either. Voldemort says in GOF that those 3 died in HIS service, so therefore a traitor such as Regulus that he had to kill singlehandely certainly wouldn't be considered dead in his service.
But I suppose if you get the mark on your arm then you are considered a death eater.

Yeah, I think you've got it there - The mark distinguishes his true Death Eaters from the rest.. not that it's helped me too much

Well this is a realy good one I agree with most of what you say:

3 dead by, my guess is the Aurore or died in Azkaban (there is one mention in the Pencive of DD! for got the name).

Coward = Karkaroff
Left him = Snape
And the third one The most important! is R.A.B. what bout this!

Hey, could someone answer the other questions in my post please? I don't mean to sound rude, but it seems like they were accidentaly overlooked.

I think this might answer your question vincent...


I don't think Voldemort really FULLY trusts anyone. As DD says he doesn't really have anyone close to him. But I think he has trusted snape in the sense that he hasnt killed him because when snape returned to him claiming to know all the inside stuff on DD and the order, he probably couldnt pass up the chance for a potential spy. The prospect of having a spy in the order probably blinded him, and he probably assumed that if Snape was indeed working for DD, that he(voldemort) would be smart enough to to get the most out of snape with giving him the most minimal amount of information. That way, even if Snape was working for DD, he(DD) wouldnt get much out of him. Also, he might of figred that even if he was still loyal to and working for DD he would be able to convince him to earnestly return to be one of his true followers.

This is all, ofcourse, operating on the theory that Snape is indeed loyal to DD and not Voldemort now. Which I belive

Well sorry I only can guess up to 4 As mention previously...

Dead:
1) In the pencive, book Gof (but I cant give you the name dont have the book with me)

Living:
1) Karkaroff
2) Snape
3) RAB <-- this is a personal guess and we only know this in book 6!

But your question was, who left LV, and in that respect they are only 3...

Real sorry if I am not a great hellp, good luck with your quest and be patient.

In my opinion Snape is this one too cowardly to return. Because he acted so vehemently when Harry called him a coward.

This who left Voldemort forever is Karkarov. And he was killed by Voldemort.

When was Karkaroff killed? It might of been mentioned in OOTP or something, but I missed it.

Karakarof was killed by Voldemort after a year or so (I'm nort sure), but I'm 100% sure that it was said in Half- Blood Prince somewhere before or right when the schoolyear started.

Yes, it was on page 106 in the HBP. I must have missed it when I read it.

I think I am going to reply, just for the fact that then people notice it, where as edited posts can sometimes confuse people, and I have more to say. I am kind of frustrated with myself, because I was thinking that I was going to say what my edition was, but I must of forgot. Anyways, mine is the American version, I suppose it's the children's one, although I don't really know, it's the hardback one with the dark mark above the school on the back, and DD and Harry looking in the pensieve I geuss on the front. And, yes, it's on the beginning of page 106 in mine.

ya it says that snape was in fact the one voldemort considered to be lost forever. I don't want to say more as it would be a spoiler.

Here's the exact passage from HBP U.S. children's book page 29:
"Yes, the Dark Lord thought that I had left him forever, but he was wrong."
So, that means that Snape was the one that he thought had left him forever.

Ok so I think we can all agree that-

Snape= the one who left him forever

Karkoff= Coward

Barty Crouch Jr= most faithfull servent.

BUT

who are the three dead?

Could Regulus Black be one?

Another of the dead DE's is evan Rosier, I believe. So the dead ones would be Evan Rosier, Regulus Black and another one. But doesn't Voldemort say 'dead in my service' or something like that? And Regulus wasn't exactly dead in his service, so maybe he means someone else?

I know you're a prefect and everything, but would it hurt to read over 2 pages of the thread before posting what has been repeated? I've stated the whole "Regulus not dying in his service" about three times already, and the latest was only the post before yours.

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I said before that it wasen't only three dead, just three dead in the empty space Voldemort was looking at. And you make no sense about Regulus. If Voldemort had to kill Regulus for being a traitor, then that is not dying in his service. That's betraying the service.

I'm going to have to agree with Vincent. Regulus wasn't killed in Voldys service and I think it's clear Voldy is refering to the people who are missing since the last time they all met together like this and Regulus wouldn't have been there because Voldy had alrady killed him. So I think its clear the three dead are three apart from Regulus

As Hallia pointed out, Evan Rosier seems to be the only Death Eater to have been killed by the Ministry of Magic after Voldemort's fall. He is mentioned in the chapter "The Pensive" in GoF. However, someone else was killed while in the service of Voldemort at the end of Harry's first year- Professor Quirrell. I don't know about Rosier, but I'm positive that Quirrell is one of the three.

Yes, but Quirell was never actually a death eater, he just kind of stumbled across Voldy and this was after his downfall so he woudln't have been a "missing" death eater, as he was never really there to begin with. Therefore I don't think Voldemort would be adressing the DE's as if they had lost a member and be referring to quirell....


if that makes any sense >.<

In the GOF on page 651, Voldemort states, " And here we have six missing Death Eaters... three dead in my service. One too cowardly to return... he will pay. One, who I believe has left me forever... he will be killed, of course... and one, who remains my most faithful servant, and how has already reentered my service." ..." He is at Hogwarts..." This is shortly after the Death Eaters arrive at the graveyard, surrounding Harry and Lord Voldemort. My theory is that the cowardly one is Karakoff and the one who was left forever is Snape (which proves possibly wrong at the end of book six). We can assume that the servant at Hogwarts is Barty Crouch, Mr. Crouch's son. So what are your opinions on the 2 Death Eaters, Snape and Karakoff? Do you think it is them that Lord Voldemort is talking about, or someone else?

Hmm, I never really though about it. I always assumed the loyal one to be Snape becuase in HBP, in chapter 2, Nacrissa says "He trusts you so, Severus", talking about Voldemort, of course. So it appears as if Snape would be the loyal one, but then what about Crouch. Wow, I never thought about it. It doesn't seem like he left enough space for the two supposed 'loyal' Death Eaters we know.

hmm very interesting, i still have this feeling it is snape becuase when the other deatheaters talk to him its not like its a surprise to them he is there, kinda like he has been around for a while.

Hiya White Knight and welcome to the forums!!

I just wanted to let you know that I'm going to merge your topic with one we already have here discussing who the missing Death Eaters are - here.

The two are discussing the same thing and although that one hasn't been posted in for a while, the discussion is still very relevant and maybe just needed a fresh injection of life, that's all

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(this is about the first page) why would ludo bagman be a death eater i mean he is head of the department of magical games (or something close i dont have the book right in front of me.) but people would have found out. he was not (As far as i can tell in slytherin and i dont think there has ben a death eater in ravenclaw hufflepuff and hopefully bot gryffindor, but you never know.) in slytherin. he is to outgoing for slytherin he had to be in at least hufflepuff or gryffindor.

One, too cowardly to return.... Karkaroff
One, who I believe has left me forever... Snape
And one, who remains, my most faithful servant, and who has already reentered my service... Barty Crouch Junior, i mean Barty was there at Hogwarts the whole year, setting up the big plan!!! Harry had the Premonition/dream thing didn't he. He saw A Man kneeling before Voldie, and it wasn't Wormtail, and Crouch Jr. had already entered his service again. Just my opinion