[i]"And here we have six missing Death Eaters...three dead in my service. One, too cowardly to return.... he will pay. One, who I believe has left me forever... he will be killed, of course ..and one, who remains, my most faithful servant, and who has already reentered my service.”

This could be considered from coming out of nowhere, but...

I can't shake the feeling of Ludo Bagman being more than mixed up with the wrong crowd when he was younger. I think he ignored the situation with Bertha Jenkins WAY too long. I believe he may be the Death Eater that won't be returning. I think he's involved in a bit more than a bad gambling habit. But that's just my gut feeling.

I doubt Fudge is that Death Eater in question (I've heard about him being suspected as it somewhere... hmm). He was too dependant on Dumbledore to also be on the Dark Side. And Snape? Well, he's suppose to be spying again... Right?

As for the others, I'm still debating. Is Snape counted as one of those three?

I'd like to hear other suggestions about who this missing Death Eater may be. Or any others.

I think Snape, of course, Karakoff and maybe Ludo...

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i still think that bagman and snape are death eaters. they might be spying for voldemort or something.

One, too cowardly to return.... Karkaroff
One, who I believe has left me forever... Snape
And one, who remains, my most faithful servant, and who has already reentered my service... Wormtail

Omg Yes Wormtail.He was already there!

I thought the same thing Matthew did. But I also think Ludo Baggman has something to do with Voldemort. He just seems so... I donno, but theres something about him that I don't like. He is always trying to help Harry, like with the Triwizard Tournament. I'm not sying that trying to help him is bad thing, but it just seems odd that at the time someone was trying to kill him. Well I might just be going on about nothing but I think its something. (lol)

Yeha Ludo is not as stupid as I think so he might be related to the dark side.But I think that he is so stupid that he won't even know it

Note: I hate Ludo because on the Quidditch World Cup game he keeps saying bad things only when I have the quaffle lol!

I think maybe Ludo is an undercover spy for voldy, and he is gathering info about the ministry and harry..............or maybe he is being posessed..... or maybe he is giving info to one of voldys death eaters and he doesnt know their a death eater..... i donno, just comin up wit crazy ideas.! lol

Wormtail cannot be one of the three missing, since he was already there.

The most obvious choices are as follows:
Karkaroff as too scared
Snape as the one never to return
Crouch Jr. as the most loyal

But when I reread the fourth book I came upon this. It takes place the night of the World Cup after Mr. Weasley wakes them up and tells them to run to the woods for cover during the Death Eaters game. During this scene, they run into a certain wizard...

Even by the feeble light of two wands, Harry could see that a great change had come over Bagman. He no longer looked buoyant and rosy-faced; there was no more spring in his step. He looked very white and strained.
"Who's that?" he said, blinking down at them, trying to make out their faces. "What are you doing in here, all alone?"
They looked at one another, surprised.
"Well-there's a sort of riot going on," said Ron.
Bagman stared at him.
"What?"
"At the campsite...some people have got hold of a family of Muggles..."
Bagman swore loudly.
"D*** them!" he said, looking quite distracted, and without another word he Disapparated with a small pop!

Then after the whole Dark Mark lighting up the sky, Winky being found with the wand, and the disapearance of the Death Eaters causing all the trouble, Ludo shows up...

Just then there was another pop, and Ludo Bagamn Apparated right next to Mr. Weasley. Looking breathless and disorientated, he spun on the spot, goggling upward at the emerald-green skull.
"The Dark Mark!" he panted, almost trampling Winky as he turned inquiringly to his colleagues. "Who did it? Did you get them? Barty! What's going on?"

Little late... Isn't he? Does it take that long to Apparate? What on earth was he doing? Obviously he didn't find the others and help them corner the Death Eaters.

I think this is some convincing acting on Ludo's part. What do you think?

Wouldn't someone have noticed the Mark on his arm then? I don't have the book right here at the moment. Why was he investigated all those years ago, deciding if he was to go to Azkaban?

Well the Death Eaters wouldn't wear a shirt with short sleeves :wink:

I think the mark is only visable when Voldermort is still in power or when he's calling his Death Eaters to him. I'm sure Bagman was questioned after Voldemort's fall, because he was accused of passing information to Voldermort's supporters and it turned out a friend of his, Rookwood, was a Death Eater. It was confirmed in the previous scene in the pensive by Karkaroff. Apparently, Rookwood had told Bagman he'd help him get a job in the Ministry. As to the claim of passing information to Death Eaters, Ludo said he thought he'd been getting information for 'our side'. A pretty weak claim in my eyes. Also, the only reason Ludo got off was because he was a famous Quidditch player at the time.

i agree because if their mark was visible all the time someone would have noticed it.

Does any one have a better idea on how the Dark Mark works? I'd really like to know. The whole thing confuses me.
The Dark Mark can't always be visable, because there wouldn't have been so much chaos and fear when Voldemort was in power. You could just pull up your neighbors sleeve to see if they were a Death Eater or not.

Hmmmmm.......i dont have any ideas of how the dark mark works, but i thik once you have it, its there forever and never goes away.... hmmmmm.... that does seem fishy that he "thought" he was getting info for our side when he would have had to give info to voldy or his death eaters (if you get what i mean)..... i think hes a death eater or a spy... it seems odd that he knew nothing about the dark mark in the sky, or the muggle attacks... i mean it was a big riot and everything.

I just find there was too much time from Ludo running into Harry, Hermione, and Ron in the forest to him Apparating at the scene of the crime, as it were.

But I don't think the mark is always there. Remember the conversation Snape and Karkaroff had at the Yule Ball about 'it' coming back? ('It' being the mark.) I think since Voldermort wasn't active for so long it went away, but then as Voldemort gained strength it came back... But that also reminds me of something towards then end of the fourth book. Hmm. I don't know. The Dark Mark business is so confusing. I do hope JKR explains it, considering she has the history of the Death Eaters written in a small notebook.

Hmmm... I forgot about that. i donno but i hope we do find out more info about the dark mark. I also think the same thing about Ludo and apparating.

I keep searching the fansites about the missing Death Eaters. Apparently, a few have the missing ones right. ...Me and my obsessions. I won't rest until I find out who they are in book six or seven. Or hear it from JKR herself.

Ughhhh this is all just soooo confusing. But who ever said the wizarding world wasn't???

Maybe it is time to look again at the prospect of Fudge being a missing D.E. ...Hmm. No. As soon as I find something to support it, I find something to disprove what I was just using to support that theory.

Anyone else have any ideas?

Maybe it could be another Order of the Pheonix member?

*thinking* um... nope my heads empty.... but it would be creepy if domeone in the order was actually a spy for voldemort.

What if Snape really was working for Voldemort and fooling Dumbledore? If Dumbledore has any flaw, it is him being too trusting. Could Snape possibly be the most loyal Death Eater Voldemort was talking about?

Strange, but still a possibility... (Who cares about Crouch Jr. XD)

If Snape is working for Voldemort why didn't he help Quirell in book 1. He was very close to Voldemort then. I think Snape is the one that has left him forever but he will still opose Harry for old times sake :wink: .
Snape looks to me as some kind of loner who has his own agenda and alligns himself temporarily with whoever or whatever fits him at that time, like a true slytherin.

He doesn't stike me as that type of person...Snape isn't exactly an appeaser. He just hates Harry, because Harry is so much like James. Some people just never let go of grudges, and I think that's the type of person Snape is. I don't think he'll ever let go of that. I'm with Hermione though...I don't think he'll ever return back to Voldemort. He is on the good side I think, but he just despises Harry. If it came down to Snape being able to protect Harry from Voldemort or his followers, I think he'd protect him...it's just he will always hate Harry in spite of that...d'you get my meaning?

I see what you mean. The grudge against James runs too deep to overcome. If Snape is on the good side that would explain why he has never be the DADA teacher. Somthing like an alcoholic who has quit drinking he must never by tempted again.

I don't think Snape is the missing death eater. Is it possible that J.K. Rowling would through in another death eater in the whole scenerio. You know? Someone never mentioned, like Sirius Black was in book 3? Just a thought

Perhaps she could........(wacky theory coming up)

Mark Evans is Lily's brother and he's fifty-eight but he's a meta....or whatever Tonks is and he appears as a 12 year-old. And then he meets Harry walking around the neighborhood and attacks him. And then Harry owls Ron asking, "Have you ever been attacked by a 12 year-old?" And Ron responds, "Yeah. Ginny kept on attacking me after her 12th birthday for some odd reason."

Anywho, Maybe Mark Evans will be thrown in as a missing death-eater. XD

That could happen. its a wacky theory like u said.

I think that Matthew was right when he said:

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One, too cowardly to return.... Karkaroff   One, who I believe has left me forever... Snape   And one, who remains, my most faithful servant, and who has already reentered my service... Wormtail

Because Karakoff was scared and he leaved.
Snape... he don't care, he just don't want to be a DE.He showed his dark mark to Fudge as a proof that Voldemort was back.
And like Sybill said Wormtail went back to his master that same night.


Maybe Voldemort used Ludo because he wanted Harry to be the first to use the portkey.I think that he did the same thing with Cedric.

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[b][color=darkred][/color] i still think that bagman and snape are death eaters. they might be spying for voldemort or something.

harry alreayd saw the death eater mark on snape's arm so he will not return Lucius is too cowardly to come back and wormtail is already with him again and three dead in his service could this mean dead as in bite the dust or dead as in never return there forever

How can Lucius be the one too cowardly to return, when he was there the night that Voldemort said that? The one too cowardly to return wasn't there that night. Lucius Malfoy has ben by his side practically the whole time.

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And one, who remains, my most faithful servant, and who has already reentered my service... Wormtail

I actually was under the impression that this meant Crouch Jr. because Voldemort acted like Wormtail was cowardly, and that the only reason he came back to him was for protection, which hardly makes him seem loyal.

okay sorry I mis worded that statment

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QUOTE And one, who remains, my most faithful servant, and who has already reentered my service... Wormtail I actually was under the impression that this meant Crouch Jr. because Voldemort acted like Wormtail was cowardly, and that the only reason he came back to him was for protection, which hardly makes him seem loyal.

Well was Bellatrix there? I think she is his most faithful servant..ok maybe not. :?: :?:

Bellatrix said that she was his most faithful servant, but I don't think he really acknowlaged that.

Bellatrix hadn't returned to him though because she was still in Azkaban.

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Bellatrix said that she was his most faithful servant, but I don't think he really acknowlaged that.

she could be though

They all say that they are Voldemort's most faithful servants, but they aren't. Maybe he doesn't really even have one. (A most faithful servant)

I haven't been here in so long... Thought everyone had abandoned this topic. XD

For some reason, I don't think Crouch Jr. is the most faithful. Remember, when he was accused of supporting Voldemort all those years ago he denied it. How can he be the 'most' faithful?

[quote]I haven't been here in so long... Thought everyone had abandoned this topic. XD

For some reason, I don't think Crouch Jr. is the most faithful. Remember, when he was accused of supporting Voldemort all those years ago he denied it. How can he be the 'most' faithful?

Trying to stay out of Azkaban so he could further his support for Voldemort? .. Dunno...

Fudge is the missing death eater in book six and seven because snape shows him the dark mark on his arm and its the way he reacts to it. If he is the death eater he would have felt it and thats why he is saying it is not true he cant believe it because he knows voldemort will come after him.

But i also reckon that it could be from wat i have heard sirius's younger brother who is said to be dead. but we dont really know if he was kiled or not he could have escaped.

any one else have any other theories.

I also reckon that this war is going to happen like the <a href="http://www.ntsearch.com/search.php?q=chess&v=55">chess</a> game in the first book because the first peice taken is their bishop(sirius) by the white queen(bellatrix). I reckon in the end ron will sacrifice himself so that harry can take on the king (voldemort).

Snape is on the good side! Rowling said that there were clues in movie three as to what happens in the rest of the series... In the movie snape sheilds the kids from lupin/werewolf. He puts himself in front of them to protect them.... I think that is major foreshadowing, because thats not in the book, I went back and checked..... Maybe Snape warms up in the end.

i think snape is good too. i also think that he is the one who left voldemort

He would have to be, why else would dumbledore trust him? Dumbledore is not stupid.

definatly. unless snape fooled dumbledore wich i dont think happened

dumbledore cant be fooled, hes one of those "all knowing" characters. Snape may be a good wizard, but even you know who fears dumbledore

Snape IS not the missing DE, Snape, as we can figure by putting 2 and 2 together, is not the one who will never return to his side. Snape is spying, Voldemort wouldn't let one who will never return, chill with them. Therefor, it isn't Snape, I think it is a character we no little about, a person JKR mixed with the back round of small characters. It will surprise us all I'm sure, but we shall and will wait to see what happens. It isn't SNAPE, deal with it! It isn't Karkaroff. It isn't Bagman, Bagman is running from both certain people in the Order and the Dark Side.

If snape was spying for voldemort then harry would already be dead.

exactly! It isn't Snape!

Look at all the opportunities snape has had to kill harry or take him to voldemort. the occumency classes would have been a perfect time and it would have seemed like an accident