A black eye? Ouch! That sucks! Hey, I applaud your decision if it helps you out. I don't know if I could manage to stay away for 5 straight days! Ack!

Wow, so many nice things said about my fics and it isn't even the feedback thread! *blush* Oh, I have so many ideas for the final season of dear Draco, but can't settle on just one. And since I am so mean as to make Dianne wait days and days for an update on Our Turn in Time, I'd best finish that one first. Draco's always my favorite though. And I will keep that point about Zeus in mind, Dianne! That's a really good point! The myths about Lara, Queen of the South Seas, and the Chinese Madame WhiteSnake are actual myths too. There are SO MANY snake myths all over the world, there's so much to choose from among them if I wanted to go that way, too. I'm just not sure yet! Actually I do have a sort of idea forming now...uh-oh.... Cool!

I've thoroughly enjoyed this week. James is off visiting his dad until next Thursday and I've had the apartment all to myself. I'm sure I'll be glad to see him back though.

I hope everyone's doing well. Marcey, have fun on your away trip!

I'm back darcy, got back earlier today and boy is it cold here it's like 30 degrees outside! Thanks to that lovely bought of weather the midwest had, we here in the east either have snow or freezing cold temps *brrrr* my nose is a block of ice right now!
Alas my daughter Jenna's birthday is on the 7th and I am like so depressed that I won't be able to gwet her alot on that day, being this close to Christmas and all. *sighs* I did get her a birthday barbie though...

Ouch Katie. A black eye? That's definitely not fun. Hope you get better soon. OH YEAH! Have fun on your trip Marcey! Hehehe...oops.

O O O!!! An idea! Wohoo! New fic! I finished the Winter Sun again. Did I mention that it's a really good story? lol

I've heard of the myth about Madame Whitesnake, but never actually read anything about her. There were some information concerning her in the story of the Journey to the West and Na Jah --two other Chinese myths. Lara, Queen of the South Sea is new for me. I can probably ask my mom about some information on Madame Whitesnake though. She knows a lot about Chinese literature; besides, orginal has to be better than Chinese-English translations.

Hmm...that gives me another idea. How about another story concerning Emilie's past; only it's not her Greek side, but another one using another snake myth? Heh heh heh. I'll stop it now.... I really can't wait till the next sequel is written though. Not to mention the next chapter of Our Turn In Time.

Which reminds me. I've started working on the e-mail. However, there seems to be some problem with the server on ff.net as I couldn't get into your fic nor the comments page. I'll go check it out again after I post this. I think it's going to start off like an e-mail, but turn into an opinion essay where I would have each point that contridicts her comments which relates back to the thesis. The thesis itself would be at the ending of the first paragraph, which will probably go something like "I read you e-mail expressing your outrage at my comment and thought that it needed a replly...". Some more polite chit-chat, probably (depending on my mood when I write this and her comments until I can finish this ) before moving onto the thesis. I would write the topic sentence of my view, write (and quote) what she said about how it contridicts canon, then write and quote the opposition before moving onto the next point where it is exact same format. I'll check out my sources on HP Lexicon as well as the books themselves so I'll have two references. I'll also hunt for the drawing of the revised timeline that Duj claims JKR to have drawn. If I can find it... *shrug* I'll check it out. If not... she'll get told off. Oh gosh...this is going to be so fun. Maybe I can give her a little 'scalding' too! I'm gonna spend the rest of my weekend writting. Well, before I get to bed tonight and when I get home from work tomorrow....

~Dianne

EDIT: Ooops Marcey. You beat me on the post. Though, judging by the length of mine, it's not really a surprise. I'm sure your daughter is aware of the financial circumstances around your household. How about getting something for sentimental value? My parents hate us buying anything for them; they only want hand-made gifts. They said that they can look at the presents (or, what's left of them) and remember how we were a wee little girl making a little paper angel from paper cone cups....Just for the record, not my words, hers. And I'll add my own contribution to this matter, from the view of a kid. For me, I am really blessed with everything my parents give me, and can afford to give me: a laptop, MP3, cellphone, new clothes. But it is the thing that I want most that they cannot give me: showing me that I am loved and appreciated for. I don't care for material wealth and I want to ask for a bushel of love for Christmas. Seriously. I'm sure both mum and dad means well and providing more for my sister and I than what they had as a child. However, I'd rather not have my laptop, but know that I'm loved; I'd rather not have a cellphone, but know that I'm appreciated; I'd rather not have my MP3, but know that they care and am proud of me and what I can accomplish. T.T

I admit that I've had my share of suicidal thoughts and feelings. But unlike most people with these thoughts, I always tell my parents right away, and they are very loving and supporting of me all the time.

I have this one problem with my best friend. My friend Kayla is the bestest friend I could ever have and I have known her since 7th grade. But lately, we have been very distant with each other, and one time that we were in choir, I finally noticed that she started wearing long sleeves instead of short sleeves like she usually does.

So when were singing, I tricked her into making her have to roll her sleeves up, and I saw a bunch of cuts all over her arms. I asked her what that was about, and she said it was from her cat. (I've seen her cat, and I have to agree that its one hell raiser and it scratches you like hell every time)

My concern with that was the fact that a couple of the cuts were close to her wrists. I guess the question here is if she's only telling part of the truth, because I'm pretty sure cats won't cut you up like that near the wrists. Should I say something about how I'm thinking that she may be cutting herself? I think my worry is that I may be wrong and we will end up not being friends anymore if I accuse her of that.

I'm really glad you care about your friend so much. What I believe is that, if these were cat cuts, she would not wear long sleeves. I had many cuts when i had a cat and i'm still cut all over my hands because of my clymsiness, but i don't wear long sleeves. Anyway, she may have had family problems. What you have to do, is try talking with her and find out more about her life the past few days. If she doesn't seem willing to talk, then talk to her parents. If they can't help you either, discuss it with your parents. Your mam may find a way to talk to your friend's mam. I know that you are afraid of losing her, but she may lose her life, and her life is more important. She may really need a psychologist's help. So, try to find a way in her thoughts. Arguing with her may actually be helpful, because people tend to open up when they are angry.
I hope i helped you and that these cuts are really cat cuts...

suicide... not right... not wrong either...

i think it depends on two factors...
opportunity - the time to do so is availible, they are alone etc and is has all become to much for them
and feeling - that's it had enough! depending on the feelings at that moment will depend on the action taken.

i don't think it is a way out for the weak at all. it is hard for the suicidal person to commit the act as thought of those left behind rush through their mind, it takes a lot of guts to take your own life. some people think it is selfish and that the suicide victim has not even thought about those that are going to be left behind, when the have.

by the way that is what those people are; suicide victims! a person can only cope with so much! and a problem in their eyes may be different in the eyes of another! even if someone is in the exact same posistion as someone else they will never have the same thoughts, feelings or behaviour as the other person. every human being is different! different life, different friends, different deomens, different dreams, different nightmares, different personalilty.... i could go on forever as i am sure you all agree... those that commit suicide are victims as they have been dragged into depression and a feeling that there is no point in life due to what life has gave them! and that is a sad thought! it is sad to think that someone could be driven to a point when they believe life is pointless and that it would be better if they were dead... no one really wants to be in that situation... believe me...

i don't know what else to put at the moment... how to write it that is... i am going to leave it there for now while i wipe away the tears... this is after all quite a... what's the word... difficult.... this is a difficult subject...

Im sorry to all the people who have lost someone to suicide.

Now on another note. I don't think suicide is WRONG, I just think its an EASY WAY OUT. Yes i said it so close your mouths and wipe the stunned faces off.

Life at one point or another is going to get EXTREMELY hard. As long as you have friends and family with you then i don't see why you would even consider it.

With all due respect i think all people who commit suicide are very courageous because i KNOW i wouldn't have the guts to go through with it.

I really hope that if anyone is experiencing thoughts of suicide to think it over and see all the great things life has to offer and if its really bad to the point that you want to end such a precious thing.

Find help. Confide in someone and whether its one on one or in a support group you will get help.


Hope i didn't offend anyone because that was not my purpose or what i was trying to do.

you raised some good points and advice... [B0MBxDiGGiTY]

i just don't fully agree with your opinion.. but hey!! i am a strong believer in everyone having the right to their own opinion and everything, so who am i to judge you or bad mouth you opinion??

i just don't agree that it is an easy way out... alot of people think about suicide, some do it and some don't... i think what we have conisder is what drove them to the point of ending or not ending their life. i don't think it is an easy way out... the thoughts that run through your head as you sit there thinking about killing yourself there and then are just as haunting, as painful, as tormenting and as difficult as the fight for staying alive!

I guess it is a point to consider but, [this is totally off what we were talking about] I hate it when people sat "OH im going to commit suicide" just because they want attention or just because they feel like sying it. i mean if you were going to do it you wouldnt just SAY it like that.

Now. About the problems i can agree with you there but wouldnt it be much better if they just talked about their problems with friends and family instaed of trying to deal with them on their own?

On another note... I know it must be harder for some people to open up to other people than it is for others but i wish they could i wish everyone had the ability to just TALK about their issues let it be on a forum or to a friend at school.

idk, thats just me.

EDIT: I guess what i mean is in my opinion there are MANY alternatives to suicide and that should be like an ULTIMATE LAST SUPER FAR away resort.

i agree! when people are joking about it i hate that!! when something has happened and they come out with that i just think "go on then because you shouldn't joke about such things!" when they say that i think it is an offence as they are in a sense taking the micky of people who are in that sitiuation!


yes it would much better if people could talk. some people feel that they have to deal with it on their own as it is their fault that they are feeling this way. others find it hard to talk because they do not want to upset anyone.


i wish it was that easy for people too!! it would be alot easier to help people and there would proably be less self harming, suicide etc in the world! but i guess opening up is not an ability all humans have!


yes it should be a last resort!! we lose too many to what could be sloved by talking and help.

hi everyone! i need some advice and well what better place to come then this topic!!

i am not feeling to grand, for lots of reasons, and well i have been in a posistion before where i went to see a doctor to find out if there was actually anything wrong with me...apparently there wasn't but anyway the hole that i was in then is even bigger and it seems i am still in it now.
my counsellor says that i should talk to my mom and see the doctor again but see the female doctor this time so i will actually open up more... my counsellor thinks i am depressed, i don't know...

the thing is i need advice because i think i should see the doctor, just in case, but the thing is.. i don't know how to talk to my mom... we have been here before and i don't want to be another burden on the family again! some one help!!

i will be back here when ever i can so someone please give some advice! i will not hold it againist any of you if the advice you give does not.. help or work...

if you think visiting the doctor will help you, than you should do it.
i´m sure your family wants you to feel good and you won´t make them happy when you swallow everything.
may i ask you why you feel depressed?

Hey #tigerlily#! *girlish squeal* Welcome back girl! *big tight bear hug* How did the exams go?

Interesting post here, K. J. Lupin, considering what you wrote on the 'Suicide' thread. lol. Darcy, Marcey, McKenzie...you should check it out! It sounds so much like something I would write, and did write in the first couple of posts here. Oh, like...10 pages back.

I...guess the good thing is that you believe suicide is the last resort. Sometimes, the temptation of it is very hard to avoid when you're depressed; personal beliefs often will decide on which way you'll choose.

This is so right. Look at the second quote in my signature. It is these kind of people that can really help you and show the willingness to do so.

Hey. The thing is, if you need to talk, like what [BOMBxDiGGiTY] said, here's the place. Stick around for a while, it'll be fun. We can throw another party, with a week's notice this time so Nina and Katie and #tigerlily# can make it. What do you think guys? My turn to bring presents

Hmm...where did everyone go? I didn't sign on for two days and there's two posts? I hope everyone's having fun in the North American freeezing cold weather.... Lol Marcey!

My turn to rant. My sister just magnetised my USB drive and I just lost all my files, many of which are unfinished projects for school and the all important e-mail. ARGGG! I have to re-do everything. Nosey, bothersome little *****. Why can't she just keep her ****ing hands off my stuff. It's not the first too either, only I had copies of everything last time. I didn't think she'll do it again, seeing as she claimed that it was an accident last time. Now I'm not so sure.... Oh, damn damn damn damn.......*walks off still swearing*

~Dianne

K_Lupin going to the doctor can probaly only relieve your anxieties about what is going on. It could not hurt to go there anyway. If you are depressed then there are things that can help you out. I waited for years (like 10) to get anything done about my depression and now because of the help of anti-depressants things seem to be going better. Don't put it off if you can help it. Depression is a very serios disorder that can harm your health if not treated propperly, so please go visit the doctor.
Hmm...where did everyone go? I didn't sign on for two days and there's two posts? I hope everyone's having fun in the North American freeezing cold weather.... Lol Marcey!

Yes I am definately freezing here in North America lol Dianne...I got up this morning and it was like 19 degrees *brrrrr* and my husband had the audacity to leave my car window down overnight! Oooh talk about a cold bottom this morning when I took Jenna to the bus stop! Men!!! They will never learn.

Anyway the best advice K_Lupin is to get this straightened out, when you do please let us all know how it's going ok?

K-Lupin, yep, yep, yep...best to tell your mom. I used to try to deal with everything alone--it was what I learned in my family, that no one cared. They'd just look at you like you were weak ,and tell you to perk up. So later in life, I would hold everything in, when maybe the people who claimed to love me really did care. Ummm...didn't really work but, well. I think I have a talent for finding selfish people to love.

If your mom does have a history of paying attention when you have needs, then by all means tell her. She will feel worse if you don't and have a breakdown or something. Take it from me--moms who care think they should be able to tell if something is wrong for their child and they feel like absolute hell if anything happens they feel they could prevent! That's the kind of mom I am!

Speaking of which...Dianne, what you said earlier, about how you have lots of nice things, but really long for the love of your parents? I felt very bad about it, and it really moved me, too, and made me think.

I often feel guilty that I, as a single mom trying to build a business, have been able to provide so little for the material desires of my son. He doesn't have a DVD player in his room, or an M3P, he doesn't even know how to drive because our car is broken and I can't afford to fix it! We have computers because his dad is a computer whiz and makes sure ours always work. But at least once a week, I put my arms around him and tell him how much I love him, and how much he means to me, and what a wonderful person I think he is. And maybe, just maybe, that can help make up for the fact that I'm poor. I hope so. I wish things could be different for you, hon, but you will remember this, and mark my words, when it is time for you to be a loving mom, you won't forget!

Cold? Marcey, you wuss! It's been below zero Fahrenheit here all weekend! Not that I went outside or anything, but hey, it was cold! It's going to be in the twenties today and it feels like a treat! Dianne, aren't little sisters awful? I used to be one, but actually, I didn't mess with my sister, I was afraid of her! She used to steal my stuff!

I do believe this is a common thought and fear that single mother's deal with. I consider myself especially blessed that my parents took the boys and I in after the divorce. We left with not much more than the clothes on our backs and are having to start all over. I have been with them for 3 years and have finally gotten to the point that I want to spead my wings and build a life for the boys and I.

Even now I can't afford the things that the always want but I try my absolute best to not stress over it.

K-Lupin as one who suffered from depression for most of my life I completely understand what you're quandry is. Sometimes growing up we distance ourselves from our parents in order to strive independence and then when we hit a snag in the road we aren't sure if we can still go to them.

Rest assured any caring, loving parents would be more than willing to help you with anything you need and if they can't, I'm sure they will find the resources that you need.

If you don't feel comfortable talking to your mother, find a teacher or guidance counselor that you can trust and ask if they can help you talk to your mom. Sometimes someone else's perseption and interpretation is very beneficial.

If you need anything at all, or just to chat or vent, please don't hesitate to PM me. I check my owls quite frequently.

Tell me about it! I keep telling her I would switch locations with her but she would rather freeze where she is then be in 40 degree weather. People here are donning their ski parkas and woolen mittens and I'm walking around in a short sleeved shirt. *rolling my eyes*

~McKenzie~

many wise words until now!
i hope K-Lupin is going to join us again.
thanks for "welcoming" me back PhoenixTears ( i had no exams, must have been someone else), i enjoy writing with all of you!
but the last posts were very much about fanfics and kritisism... i don´t have much to say about that, i´m sorry.

about the party, i´m totally positive!
i think all of us need a party, especially on mondays....
what sould i bring? drinks, snacks or a cake?

i'm here! i'm here!

oh i am going to cry... in happiness!!

#tigerlily#


i think it might help, it is just a matter of having the guts to stand up and talk to my mom about it... why i feel depressed? well to be quite honest i don't always no why which can bug me! but when i do know why it's for several reasons which i can't really talk about here because it will go on for a while lol!! thanks for that!! yes i guess tyey do want me to feel good...

PhoenixTears

thanks! i guess i needed reminding of what i said myself!! i guess i have a deep understanding about the subject as i have been there before, done that and got the t-shirt sort of thing!! lol

DracosLady

thank you!! good resons and advice!! you waited 10 years!? i just the courageto go and see the doctor, where do i get that from?

SnakeCharmer74

thanks you!! my mom... i know she cares but i hate the way it all effected her before but i guess it's better to tell her no then to wait until i get worse! thanks, maybe i should confide in someone else?? and thanks for the offer! rest assured i shall take it up if nothing happens from now!!

thanks guys!! update: courage to talk... where does that come from??
by the way i will be back when i can!!

Lol. Yup yup. Men never learn. But isn't 19 degrees like...0 celcius? A little lower? We got -3 this morning. At least your daughter got a ride, I had to walk to school this morning.


Your son, seen in my eyes, have so much more than I. Not everyone sees this from my view, but for me, love is so much more than material wealth. Things get covered in dust and cobwebs and are broken, but love is forever and lasts.


Alrite. Now I'm out of my depth. What's forty degrees in celcius? Hehehe. =^.^=


Hmm...haven't made the offer until now, but I'm open to PM if anyone one's to chat or have a shoulder to cry on (figuratively, of course. unless...you want to find me in Canada, in which case it can be literal ) , or someone to hurl abuse at...as long it's not about me. And I check online daily (beat you McKenzie )/ And others have said that I listen fairly well, you'll have to be the judge for that.


Yup. It was Phoenix92. Oops. Hehehe. Sorry #tigerlily#. Didn't mean to do that. Have I mentioned that I have a bad memory?

And hey, your words are gems of wisdom in itself too. *hug* Don't put yourself down. Sure, it's shorter than the others thus far. But remember *assumes teacher voice* it's quality that counts, not quantity.

Hmm....party. Alrite #tigerlily#. Coming Monday. I need to finish my summative before I can muster up the energy to throw another one. *glares* Yes, I know that it's an online party. Still.....

~Dianne

PS Oh yeah. Almost forgot. Update soon Darcy? Like, real soon?

That's one of the sweetest, and truest, things I've ever read here, Darcy Material things are nice, but they don't hug you, they don't make you feel valued, they don't love you and they don't listen to you when you're feeling down. Some things are far more important, and having someone, anyone , who loves you as much as you obviously love your son is one of those things.

Having suffered from depression myself in the past, I know that it's the support and encouragement from people around you that gets you through it, and not how many DVD's you have. Your son is a very lucky guy, Darcy. I hope he knows that.

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Alrite. Now I'm out of my depth. What's forty degrees in celcius? Hehehe. =^.^=

About 4 degrees, I think. And 19 is -7 in celcuis. Not sure why I needed to say that but anyway...

I just got back from the orthodontist... I had my brace fitted this morning. It's really horrible and now I can't smile properly. <-- Me not smiling. And I already managed to catch my lip in it and cut my tongue. Okay, enough complaining I think...

You know, you can PM me as well. I do come on most days but I didn't at all last week. Everyone who used to PM me has stopped now.

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I often feel guilty that I, as a single mom trying to build a business, have been able to provide so little for the material desires of my son. He doesn't have a DVD player in his room, or an M3P, he doesn't even know how to drive because our car is broken and I can't afford to fix it! We have computers because his dad is a computer whiz and makes sure ours always work. But at least once a week, I put my arms around him and tell him how much I love him, and how much he means to me, and what a wonderful person I think he is. And maybe, just maybe, that can help make up for the fact that I'm poor. I hope so.

Well, Dianne already said basically what I was going to say but I think it's so much better to have a parent who loves you but can't buy you lots of nice things rather than parents who just give you anything you want because they don't really care. I don't really have either, I don't think. I don't get any really amazing stuff (but I suppose as I'm the oldest child in my family I don't get all the hand-me-downs like my sisters do from me) but I guess some of my stuff is pretty good, like my laptop... My parents don't have loads of time for me because of my brother and sisters so I guess it's sort of an equal balance. Okay, seriously, this post makes no sense whatsoever. I'm just typing random things that come into my head.

P.S. Don't worry, I'm definitely not going to miss the next party.
P.P.S. Yeah, Darcy we need an update! I can't wait to read the next chapter!

Your wishes are my command, ladies, chapter ten is up! Actually, I sat down at 10:30 last night, primed to write, and was suddenly startled to find it nearly 4 a.m.! So I finished 'polishing' it this morning. Whew! Tough one!

Aw, Louise! Hi! Long time no write, girl! It's good to see you here. Thanks for what all of you have said about the single-mother post. The thing that gets me is, my son does this, too! When I get down, he puts his arms around me and tells me I'm "effin' cool, and you better not forget it, mom!" lol We keep each other going...

Oh, Katie...poor thing. I hated my braces adjustments! Hope you're out of them soon!

Lol Darcy! If that's true, it would have been up a lot sooner. But I'm glad anyways. It was a beautiful chapter. Did I mention that you're a very talented author?


Aww...that is sooo sweet! You are so lucky to have such a loving family. I wish my family situations were different....

Sorry Katie. I saw your post this morning, but didn't really have anything productive to add to the conversation, so I didn't post. Hmm...I think I just managed to avoid getting braces; my parents were planning to get me some, but they kinda forgot after a while. Hey, look at it this way: when you get those braces off, you'll smile even more beautifully than before.

Hmm...I have a surprise for you Katie. Hope you like it!

~Dianne

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I forgot to tell you, McKenzie. I love your new avatar and signature. Haha. The amazing bouncing ferret. ROFL!

I wonder where James have gone? Had he decided to abandon us here on the Depression thread? I mean...stuff here isn't that depressing, is it? I really love this thread; I kinda feel like I've adopted it as my second home. I wish I started it and it was mine...

Hmm...what else was I going to say? There was three things.... Hmm.... Okay. Can't remember. I'll re-post when I can.

Yeah, I know I'm new to this thread and basically oblivious to the discussion going on. I just wanted to say I've had bouts with depression, and so has several of my family members and friends. It's pretty tough to go through, but working through it kind of makes you stronger, in a way.


Sorry for interrupting ^_^

Hello and warm welcome to the 'Depression' thread, beyondthedevil.

No, you're never interrupting if you're talking about depression. Just...bringing us back to Earth.

Hmm...you've had depression? Then I'm assuming, from the tense used, that it was in the past. Did you work it out? Is that the gem of wisdom you give us? If so, thankyou so much!

But hey, everyone gets depressed now and then. So feel free to stay around and contribute to our random conversations or bring us back to the topic of the thread when you're feeling kinda low. I'll be happy to lend an ear too, if you want to IM me.

~Dianne

Yes, it was meant in the past tense... mostly.

But anyway, I know what it's like, so I can probably- possibly- answer questions, if anyone has them. I'm here!

hey, beyondtheveil!
i like to wish you a warm welcome too!
we´ve got lots of "happy" depressed people (does that make any sense?) in here.
i´m pleased that you want to talk to us, help us and maybe you even want to join our party !

if you don´t mind me asking what kind of depressions did you suffer from (i´ve sometimes had phases when i couldn´t get out of bed because i was to depressed of life to do so. sounds horrible, but i´m feeling better now!). i´m a bit of a nosy person...

That makes total sense #tigerlily#. Yup. We are one big happy group of 'depressed' people. And, with the exception of James who seems to either have not able to come online, or doesn't really hang around this thread anymore, all the current participants, to the extent of my knowledge, are females. I hope James is fine nonetheless. LOL. This thread is my life.


Yup yup. Party on Monday the...11th. In case you didn't re-read the last couple of posts. So...who wants to decorate this time?

Oh, and Darcy? Lovely chapter update. I'm sorry. I really should stop complaining...on the risk of sounding like Dementor Snape. That would not be good.

~Dianne

Welcome beyondtheveil! A few people here (myself included) are people that have dealt with depression the past and are just here to offer a shoulder or suggestions or a laugh to those who need a friend.



This thread is very important to me as well because you get an opportunity to get to know people better than you would in a regular thread. This is where I met my really good friend Marcey and now we talk to each other all the time.

Join the party on the 11th and have fun! I will bring my famous taco dip, and some cookies. Also I'll bring a mistletoe even though I don't plan on kissing anyone!

Yay! Food. Ahh...the life essence of a party.

Hmm...unless we get some opposite genders in here before the party, kissing would be...very awkward. But go ahead!

I'm glad that you're such great friends with Marcey. *hugs both* Come to the party!

....erm...I've seem to have forgotten...who was this thrown for again? ROFL! Please? Someone remind me?

~Dianne

How could you forget? You're the one who decided we should have another one!

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We can throw another party, with a week's notice this time so Nina and Katie and #tigerlily# can make it. What do you think guys? My turn to bring presents

So it was for everyone who missed it last time, like me. Sorry about that. And I loved the surprise by the way, Dianne. Why do I sound so secretive about it. If anyone's wondering it was a PM. So what's anyone bringing for the party. So far we have... taco dip and cookies (together?) and mistletoe. Oh and Dianne's bringing presents. So I'll bring some streamers and tinsel (getting into the christmas spirit). Do we have a christmas tree? Okay, I'll bring that as well. And some decorations. Anything else we need?

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Oh, and Darcy? Lovely chapter update. I'm sorry. I really should stop complaining...on the risk of sounding like Dementor Snape. That would not be good.

Yeah, what Dianne said. It was brilliant!

I'll bring this really weird sandwich my uncle used to make every Christmas, with 7 different fillings on seven different levels. It looks like a layer cake but it's a layer sandwich. I won't bring the oyster stew my grampa always made... None for me, thanks!

And Dianne, you are not Duj! You are always pleased to see a new chapter, even if it's at an inconvienient time. And thanks for liking it, Katie and Dianne. I just had someone tell me it was boring! It's always something...

Welcome, beyondtheveil! Yes, we do tend to go frequently, but the focus is always depression, so it is never off-topic to talk about problems if you need to. It's the first priority!

we definitely need a christmastree Golder Phoenix and decoration.
colours have to be, specially for the season, green and red.
i´ll bring a bunch of glittering tinsel aswell!

and i´m going to make some muffins...chocolate and hazelnut if that´s alright with you.

p.s. you can never be off topic, when you´re talking about life!

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and i´m going to make some muffins...chocolate and hazelnut if that´s alright with you.

Mmm.. those sound delicious. Even if they are only virtual muffins. I'll bring some chocolate as well then.

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p.s. you can never be off topic, when you´re talking about life!

Very true, that's what I love about this thread. We can just talk about anything. But I really have to make sure I drop in a couple of sentences about depression sometimes. But not right now, I have to go and babysit for about 20 minutes. I'll be back to finish this post later...

Okay, I'm back. What Polandbaby posted below is exactly what I was thinking of saying (well, not exactly but you know what I mean). Although we might not be talking about depression (something that actually seems to depress me more) but we are sort of helping each other in a way because we can talk about whatever we want without haveing to pretend that everything is okay. Anyway, that's it from me for now. What else is anyone bringing to the party.

oyster stew!!!!! ehhh i'll pass

what i love about this topic is that someone has a problem, but then there are us people who try to make people feel better, so i presonaly like when we get off topic, cause it makes people forget about their problems, and think about something else.

Aww...thanks Darcy. *hug* Yeah, I read that post. Interesting.... How can it be well-written when it's boring and confusing? Now that is confusing.


I knew that.... I was just...testing you...to see...if...if...you guys have been...paying attention. No, really. I'm sorry that I forgot. I'm just...kinda buried under a mountain of homework and projects lately. And have to re-type everything that I lost on the USB when it was magnetised.

Hmm...should we merge that with a Christmas Party? Or should we hold another one then? Or...should we just party till Christmas? Hehehe...that would be fun. *drops down from homework and party exhaution....*

This is turning into a...very interesting thread.... *shrug* But you're right. Talking about life can never be off-topic. Though, I always feel a little guilty when I crash the flow of conversation. Is that just me?

And beyondthedevil doesn't seem to be returning.... Are we that weird of a crew of people?

~Dianne

Hey guys,

Please don't think I'm crashing the party here, or being a killjoy, I'm not - it's wonderful to see people enjoying themselves

However, you are right in saying that this thread is beginning to get a little too random. I don't mind you talking about your lives, I don't mind you supporting each other - like I said, I love to see people having fun and enjoying themselves. But this business about virtual parties, I'm sorry, but I really have to draw the line. I wouldn't allow it in other threads, and so I would be unfair if I allowed it here.

I'm not poking anyone, I'm not yelling, I'm not even cross. Honestly. But if you could just keep it real, just stick to getting to know each other, chatting about your lives, things like that, I'd be grateful

Thanks

Aww...no...no party? I was really looking foward to it too....

Oh well. Guess we'll have to do it elsewhere. How does my house sound?

My class was talking about the Tiananmen massacre yesterday and I did some research after I got home. I found this site: http://daccessdds.un.org./UNDOC/GEN/G90/10...pdf?OpenElement.
Apparently, it is the document submitted to the UN by the Ambassador and Permenant Representative of the People's Rebulic of China almost 7 months after the event protesting against the accusations of the violation of Human Rights that the Western Nations proclaimed of what had happened on 4 June 1989. Very interesting, seeing as it is still the only document that the UN has acknowledging what had happened on that date and it is inaccurate.

I also found, looking over the situations of many countries around the world as reported by Amnesty International, United Kingdom still uses the "third-degree" or torture to get confession or information.

How can nations like China deny what had happened? There were live broadcast from the massacre. And how can a "developed" nation like United Kingdom employ methods they do to achieve their means? It is just... *shudder* disgusting.

~Dianne

oh, no party...ok, but i´ll leave the christmas decoration in here...

i agree with you PhoenixTears. this methodes are disgusting and some stuff is beyond believe... it makes me angry and "depressed", to get back to the topic again...
torture,to get confession or information, is somehow like smacking children to make them do something that you want... in my opinion, it is on the lowest level of what humans do to acchieve their means.



most of the people deny things that they are not proud of or that they know are illegal...
that´s all i can say to that.

Unfortunately, it's not just the UK, the USA has been on the grill for several years for 'questionable methods of interrogation.' The things the US has done in the last six years make me so depressed I want to move away!

But yeah...China is bad. It's been bad for decades and decades over there, no matter who is in power. But we need their goods (and their money) so we trade with them. 'Tis the way of the world, unfortunately, but that doesn't mean we have to like it. It would be some trick to boycott Chinese goods though--every thing is made in China!

Hey guys I'm back...sorry I've been away for so long, coursework and all. I've had a few opportunities to drop in but not to post. Did you miss me ..Nah I'm joking. What is this I hear about a christmas party? Ooh I love christmas. I love the tinsel and glitter and happiness and joy and the whole meaning of it. But there is no snow here and that is a downer . But I just love christmas. You know one thing that gets on my rag..is the fact that the radio and..well just most media are not allowed to play christmas music at christmas because it 'offends other peoples religions'. Now I'm all for accepting other people and they have a right to practice their religion etc but christ is the meaning of christmas. I don't actually think it is Sikhism or Hinduism or Muslim or Islam etc that make it into a big issue, I think most of these people are fine with it, but I think the Government are making it into an issue. I mean, how many christmas cards have you seen with a picture of christ on, I haven't seen one yet this year. If they haven't got Santa on they have got robins or Whinnie the Pooh. Now I love all this, I love everything about christmas, but that gets on my rag that to some degree it stops christians from a major part of their religion, the coming of christ.

This wouldn't happen if Christians put their foots down about Christian things being banned. Just one person complains and says their civil rights are being violated and bam! One more thing is banned.

However, I don't support the Christians who want to ban books either. Especially if they haven't read the material they are deeming to ban.

Two things are going on here, one: my civil rights are being violated because you are taking away my right to choose what I can read and what I can't read. Two: you are making a decision based on fear and not facts and that alone gives Christians a bad name.



Let me put your mind at ease James. I have a manger scene on my Christmas cards with a Bible scripture on the inside. I do have friends and family that aren't Christians but because Jesus is the reason for the season they aren't going to say anything.

Welcome back James! Hope everything is going well for you!!!

~McKenzie~

Erm, can I just say, in the UK's defence, that we are far from the only country who has used torture to get confessions. Guantanamo Bay, anyone? (BTW, thanks Darcy I'm glad that someone else spoke in our defence too)

Personally, I have to say that I have no trouble whatsoever with the government using whatever means they deem necessary to extract information from people who are willing to place bombs in our cities and kill thousands of innocents. If it's a choice between someone having sleep deprivation and my nephews being able to walk down the street safely without fear of their cities getting bombed, I'll choose the latter every time.

Anyway, that's all horrendously off topic and I probably shouldn't have responded, but I can't let people think that the UK is evil and backward for employing such means when every other country in the world does it too - they just try to hide it. It's an interesting thing to pursue though and anyone interested is more than welcome to continue this debate in the Great Hall - just let gaburdette, felix_felicis_444 or El Barto know via Owl, or, if you're a member of the GH then just post in the suggestions thread and we can get a thread started. Until then though, I don't think this topic is doing much to help anyone's depression, so I'm going to stop now

Ack. I hadn't been here for so long. Just got over a very bad bout of...well, you don't need to know what it is.


Sorry Louise. We'll...try to steer ourselves back onto topic. But in my own defense (seeing as everyone is getting defensive, i might as well) , I didn't mean that UK was the only one, it was just the first name that I remember off the top of my head.

Hi,Hi,Hi,Hi,everyone.I am back again.(so many Hi s)As I told I did disappear..I did my exams well..Just after I finished my exams,I moved into a bigger house,so there was no T.V connection,no internet connection,nothing.It took some days to connect these things.Anyways!I am back!And I am really glad!! and most importantly,I missed you people..

hi... how is everyone?? good? depressed? lol i think everyone in some point in their life feels depressed, dead, worthless.... stupid.... etc etc... and well is depression just feeling or is it a mental problem oh i don't know! but anyway i am sick of it... lol... i thinks we all know it sucks!

@Phoenix92...i know how it feels to be disconnected for a long time...it´s horrible!



hey K.Lupin_werewolf, nice to here from you again!
it has been a long "off topic"- talk in here, but i think you are bringing us back on the track!
i think if you are going through a hard time in your life, depression is somehow the way your mind, your body and your soul react. if you feel down all the time without any explaination it might be a mental problem.( i know someone who suffered from a manic depression. she had to take pills against it. now she´s a happy person again and needs no medication anymore.)
i don´t know if that will help anyone, but i hope to hear from all of you soon!
wishes
#tigerlily#

2 : an act of depressing or a state of being depressed : as a : a pressing down : LOWERING b (1) : a state of feeling sad : DEJECTION (2) : a psychoneurotic or psychotic disorder marked especially by sadness, inactivity, difficulty in thinking and concentration, a significant increase or decrease in appetite and time spent sleeping, feelings of dejection and hopelessness, and sometimes suicidal tendencies c (1) : a reduction in activity, amount, quality, or force (2) : a lowering of vitality or functional activity (Meriam Webster)

Depression: An illness that involves the body, mood, and thoughts, that affects the way a person eats and sleeps, the way one feels about oneself, and the way one thinks about things. A depressive disorder is not the same as a passing blue mood. It is not a sign of personal weakness or a condition that can be wished away. People with a depressive disease cannot merely "pull themselves together" and get better. Without treatment, symptoms can last for weeks, months, or years. Appropriate treatment, however, can help most people with depression. (medical dictionary)

These are some definitions I found online. I'm sure they are completely overwhelming, but it goes to show that there is not just one meaning of depression.

k.lupin (am I to assume your name is Katrina?) yes depression "sucks" tramendously. However, like most things there is hope and reprival. Is there something specific that is bothering you, or is just life in general?

~McKenzie~

I just finished a book about a girl who killed herself, it was very sad but informative, too! I have had sort of sucidal thoughts before like : i wish i wasnt born and things like that but not too bad. I am very sorry fro everyone whop has lost someone to suicide and wish you the best! Lots of Love is in the air from me!!

*Fleur*

Yes some people do say it to get attention but some they actually mean it but they don't do it.Like in the case of mine.When in some depression I feel like burning myself alive at that point of time I call my friend I say that I feel like suiciding,after few minutes talk I realize,what fool I had been thinking of klling myself.When you are feeling like that you think that you are the only one who has to suffer like this and then you think why has God created me and then ultimately you would come to the decision that you are going to suicide.After a few minutes you would realize and come to senses what you had been thinking.



Those people feel shy like again in the case of mine.I would feel like why tell them and then they would think that I am only joking or that I am only fooling around.No one knows what is on another persons mind but we have the assumption that they would be thinking like that.

So remember,Suiciding is a cowardice act.It's like you are scared to face the consequences and running away from it.Face the challenges.