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Black_Velvet
I'm actually starting to think that this ship could work. I think it'd be kinda cool if Narcissa turned out to be a good person, and she ended up with Snape. There is a theory that Severus could possibly be Draco's father( he does seem to have a pretty bad temper sometimes tongue.gif ).....and I do rememebr reading an interview with JK Rowling, where she said that Snape didn't have a daughter. So, that could very well mean that he may have a son, and that son could possibly be Draco Malfoy. It just seemed kind of odd to me that Severus was the first person that Narcissa went to when she found out what her son had to do and everything, and that he might die. Snape also seemed unusually supportive though. He didn't feed off of her weakness, and he wasn't being cruel to her like he was to Bellatrix. He also made the unbreakable vow with her, promising her that he would take care of Draco, and make sure that he'll be ok and everything....Being the kind of man he is....I don't think he would make an unbreakable vow with somebody to promise to protect their son if either he doesn't love them or isn't their father. So maybe he simply loves her......or maybe he's Draco's father. But then there's Lucius, we're constantly being told that Lucius is Draco's father huh.gif .....I'm kindof stuck on that thought......It'd be kind of odd for her to marry Lucius if...well, I don't know about that.....

Anyone else have any opinions about this ship?
PotterEnthusiast
I was starting to think the whole Snape/Narcissa ship might work. The only thing that throws it off is how much Draco resembles Lucius. However, Narcissa is pale and looks like her son as well, so it's possible he inherited her looks and Snape's personality. I was suprised that Snape would make an unbreakable vow with a sniveling woman, that kind of behavior would normally seem to disgust him. I think Bellatrix was a good contrast to the way he treated Narcissa. And Narcissa's decision to marry Lucius would explain his solitary, dark character and explain why he favored Draco. Also, I recall Bellatrix being surprised about where Snape lived and Narcissa seemed to know the way quite well and wasn't surprised at the home's condition which makes me believe she had been there before.
Louise
Mmm...I like the idea of this ship in fanfic, but I don't think there's much basis in canon for it, to be honest. Draco resembles his father too much, I think personally...although I will conceed that it's at least possible.

I've read some fanfics written before HBP where this worked out really well and I certainly prefer it to Snape/Lily, because I'm getting a bit rebellious and off-the-wall with my shipping theories now...tongue.gif I'm up for a bit of stirring and going against the current 'sheep' concensus that seems to have swept the fandom, so yes, I do like this ship a lot and I can see it working out with a little bit of tweaking and liberty-taking with some plot points.

I agree that it was very un-Snape like to make such a vow, but I'm still of the opinion that Snape does have a heart in him somewhere and he wouldn't have promised to protect Draco if he didn't care about Narcissa and him on some level - and not necessarily on a romantic one, but merely because it would be the human thing to do.
Black_Velvet
It does say in the second chapter that Narcissa has long blonde hair, blue eyes and pale skin, so it is very possible that Draco inherited his looks from her. I think PotterEnthusiast actually has a very good point though, about Narcissa knowing exactly where Snape lives and not being at all surprised at his home's condition, which means that she's probably been to his house more than once. But as for him making the unvreakable vow, I truly do not belive that he simply did it out of his own heart, we just learn too much of his personality in the books, and the way he treats his students....he just doesn't seem to me like the kind of man who would do something that serious just because it's the right thing to do....he probablt loves her....but I'm thinking that she probably also loves him as well...she certainly seems to...I mean, he was the first person she went to when she heard about what her son had to do and everything...who knows, maybe they were past lovers or something...or maybe even secretly in love. That'd be kinda cute tongue.gif ....i do kind of wonder why she is with Lucius though, I mean, she seems to be a pretty decent woman...it's only Lucius who's pure evil....but if she's pure blood, it could have been like an arranged marriage or something....well, obviously she'd have to be pure blood in order for Draco to be considered one. But really, why did she go to him, rather than anyone else....I think she probably has some feelings for him.
Pixymajik
On the assumption that Snape is 'still' good. I would love to see this. Firstly because it would mean that Narcissa has some good in her as well as hopefully Draco. Secondly, because I don't like Lucius and excuse me for being spiteful but any unhappiness that was caused to him I'd get enjoyment out of. Thirdly, because I think Snape deserves some sort of love and happiness and I can't see it have been happening with Lily and to be with Bellatrix is just wrong.

I think there's a lot of evidence which shows support for this, as people have already listed however at the same time, I don't think it's likely. JKR has pretty much said that there's no love for Snape in the future. But I'm still definatly in support for it;)

Maybe there's a great friendship there instead.
Regitze
I have the feeling that this would actually work out. But the fact that Narcissa is married to Lucius is a bit of problem. But lets just forget that for a sec wink.gif

Well, I think that Narcissa seems very fasciated of Snape in HBP. I can't say wether this feelings have been there before now, cause we haven't really heard that much of Narcissa before. But Draco has always been a great supporter of Snape, so why not his mother too ?

In HBP chapter two I think, when Snape meets Narcissa and Bellatrix to discuss Draco's mission, I got the impression that Narcissa is actually quite fond of Snape, but I don't really know about Snape's feelings though.
Sofie
I also believe that there is some strange reason, why Snape agreed immadiately to make the unbreakable vow. As Bellatrix reminded Narcissa and Snape, it is kinda betrayal of LV. He doesnt seem to care.
But though, i still dont think, that he has romantic feelings towards her. I wonder how strong Lucius and Snape's friendship is. This triangle reminds me of the James/Sirius/Harry relationship. Lucius is in jail, James is dead. Snape/Sirius feels that he has to look after his best friend's son. Narcissa makes things a bit more complicated. unsure.gif
rocknroll52
Could a past love relationship between Snape and Narcissa explain Snape's willingingness to help Draco? Although not generally a sympathetic character, in ch 2 Snape seems genuinely touched by Narcissa's tears: "he looked away from the sight of her tears as though they were indecent" From the beginning of the series, Snape has shown favoritism to Narcissa's son, Draco. What is the motivation for this? Draco has never shown himself to be an outstanding student. Could it be that Snape agreed, for Narcissa's sake, to watch over Draco at Hogwarts? And perhaps a bit more farfetched, could Draco be the love-child of Snape and Narcissa, adding further motivation for Snape to agree to help Draco and to make the Unbreakable Vow?
Stéphz
QUOTE (Pixymajik @ Aug 1 2005, 11:01 AM)
because I think Snape deserves some  love and happiness

for this part i totaly agree with you!

yeah i think there is a soft side to Snape that seems to care about Narcissa! wub.gif

it's very un-Snape-like but yeah! blink.gif

maybe Snape and Narcissa where invold when they where at Hogwarts but she had to marrie Lucius because he is pureblood and Snape is not! sad.gif *sad*

maybe all that time they where lovers even though she was married!(kind of shows the romantic side of Snape smile.gif )
and maybe something happened wink.gif and she got pregnant with Draco, telling Lucius Malfloy that it was his even tough it was Snape's!

i am totaly for it! *everything for love wub.gif*

conclusion: Snape+Narcissa(=Draco)
the Soft and Loveing side to Snape= Narcissa

i think this is not the last we have heard of this ship!

THE END smile.gif wink.gif ohmy.gif huh.gif
laudine
Oh I'm glad that you opened this thread! I^m totally in favour for Snape and Narcissa. For all the reasons you pointed out here ( and I pointed them out in another thread) I do think that Snape is in love with Narcissa, who actually doesn't seem so evil to me, at least she's got some feelings for her son, unlike Bellatrix would.

Well the Draco-is-Snape's-son- idea was actually just a crazy theory of mine but with all your arguments I actually think that it could be possible.

However I don't think that there will be a happy love ending for severus, he's not that kind of man and it would be sort of cheesy. I mean what would some readers think if Narcissa will divorce Lucius????
Stéphz
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oeeeehhhh seeing someone else hé,Narcissa wont like that! wink.gif
Snape is becoming greedy with all that female atettion:Narcissa,Bellatrix,...who else? tongue.gif

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Black_Velvet
Well hey, I think it'd be ok if she divorced Lucius, I mean, being a pure blood, she probably only married him because of her family and stuff...but I mean, divorcing has become so common in life now, and look how much killing and evil is happening in her books blink.gif ....I think murder is a bit worse than divorce...so she could do it....it's not like kids aren't accustomed to it these days anyways...
laudine
It would be okay with me too but as the books are seen by some people seen as glorifying black magic I bet they would agree that divorce is a terrible thing too. I heard that even the pope has a problem with harry potter, what would he say if there's even divorce in it. Maybe Lucius will get killed so then the problem is solved (that is a really mean sentence...sorry Lucius!).

But anyway I like your theory about Narcissa marrying Lucius because he's a pure blood. It makes sense to me. Even today many people are forced into marriages.
Stéphz
For so far everything is ideal for the love! smile.gif
becuase Lucius is in Azkban ph34r.gif !
so if he stays there,there is no probleme!

otherweise dry.gif i go for the Lucius-get's-killed theorie biggrin.gif because there is a real posibbilety he gets killed by Voldemort or a Death Eater because he *screwed up* at the Minestry of Magic! smile.gif

May be he comes out of Azkaban and gets killed by Snape (hes a Death Eater)happy.gif
it wode be conviniend for Snape/Narcissa! happy.gif wub.gif


this theorie semes very realistic! rolleyes.gif
so i could be possible! smile.gif
!!!!if so this wode make Snape thé most ROMANTiC guy in HP! wub.gif!!!

As a sad:EVERYTHING FOR THE LOVE BETWENE SNAPE AND NARCISSA!! wub.gif

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Black_Velvet
Hmmm, I'm not sure I like the idea of Snape killing Luicus....though I am a huge shipper of Snape/Narcissa, and detest lucius....I would really hate for Snape to murder....when he murdered Dumbledore it disturbed me greatly....I would just hate the idea of him killing anyone else....

Now if another DE killed him....that I would like smile.gif ...I know that sounds a bit cruel, but, I would really like that....he's evil anyway wink.gif

I think it'd be sweet if they got together....then Snape might be a bit less cruel natured because he finally has someone in his life that loves him....awe, that'd be cute rolleyes.gif
laudine
yeah well but sometimes there are people who will never get their true love and I think dear Severus is one of them. Just imagine how Draco would react if he found out that Snape is his father, a halfblood! I think that Snape is one of that kind of man who always stay in the back and don't tell their love of life that they love her, that's why he's so miserable, that's why I like him.
StilL: Severus and Narcissa - the lovers who never could forget eachother!

Isn't that sweet??? cool.gif
Stéphz
DON'T THINK SO!
i think Snape's the guy who will go out there and tell the woman of his dreams he loves her. wink.gif

BUT:i dont think he will show that he loves her in public! sad.gif
(for reasons that might make some good sense!)

but i think he'l get the girl eventually! smile.gif
laudine
But someone in here said that Jo said Snape will never get his love or something like that. Maybe Narcissa will shout at him and tell that he finally should pull himself together and be with her.

But if it's true and he will get together with her do you think that he will behave differently?

And I don't know if Jo will write all this in book 7, after all it's a story about Voldy and Harry....but maybe the love thing between Snape and Narcissa is also important for the solution of the Voldy-problem (from now on I'm gonna call it this way wink.gif )

Okay I'm getting crazy with my ideas!
Stéphz
i think it was me who sad that i read it somewhere in the forum!
and it sad:'*Snape hade been LOVED before*' wub.gif

so maybe there still is a chance! smile.gif
Black_Velvet
Are you sure about that?...I thought it was "HE had loved someone before"....but still, even if he does have feelings for Narcissa, I don't think he's the kind of guy who would get the courage to say it to her face....I mean, if he had fallen in love before, then my guess is he probably confessed his feelings and got his heart broken...either that or never got noticed by his crush at all...but I think that he would probably have a very hard time confessing his feelings for narcissa, if he does have feelings for her, for fear of rejection sad.gif ....probably. I mean, he's probably never been loved by his parents, his bad temper and wierdness leads me to think that he was probably abused and neglected....he was never loved by anyone at school, only persecuted and riddiculed, so, he's probably got very very low self-esteem...Narcissa's this gorgeous pure-blood....and here he is, this poor, messed up half-blood....i don't know if he'd ever be able to get the courage to confess his feelings for her if he had any. But hey, that's just my opinion.

By the way, I do think that he would act differently if he confessed his feelings and got together with her, he would probably be a bit less bitter and cruel natured, because he will finally have somebody in his life that loves him. smile.gif I think that would be very sweet.
PADFOOT'S avenger
I can't imagine narcissa coming over to the good side after being so immersed at the center of the dark world. She's married to Lucius and is sisters with the dark lords self-proclaimed servant. There is almost no way that narcissa could be good with such an absolutely horrid sister...but here's a thought....rowling likes parallels and i think i may have stumbled across one. Petunia/Lily-Narcissa/Bella. If rowling does indeed intend to make a parallel out of this (obviously, Petunia would have to stay as cold and mean as she has been...which is doubtful and therefor makes this theory very vulnerable), then i think it's obvious that narcissa would be the one to come out for the better. after all, we have a seen a very human side of her (crying about her little boy draco at snape's), which is not something we can say for any other of the real death eaters. ER...i shouldnt say human because hatred and deception are very human. ill put it this way...we've seen a very vulnerable side of cissa. Snape and Narcissa? tough and sorta unlikely but that doesnt mean he cant become a father figure to draco (he's more than halfway there already). this would be an interesting one folks...
samsmom
QUOTE (Black_Velvet @ Aug 22 2005, 03:48 PM)
Are you sure about that?...I thought it was "HE had loved someone before"...

QUOTE ( the Mugglenet and Leaky Cauldron joint interview with JKR 7/16/05)
Has Snape ever been loved by anyone?

JKR: Yes, he has, which in some ways makes him more culpable even than Voldemort, who never has.


That being said, I completely agree that the ship was Snape and Narcissa, not Snape and Lily. I can see Snape and Narcissa together in school. Her family finds out that he is a half-blood, and forbids her to see him (hence his sarcastic naming of himself as the half-blood prince). She may or may not have been pregnant. Draco's parents are so similar that he didn't have to get his looks from Lucius, they could be from Narcissa. Narcissa married Lucuis perhaps because of her parents wishes, or perhaps she really is an evil snob, and turns down Snape because he has nothing to give her and Lucius is rich.

There is definitely something between them. He tolerated her tears and was not at all his evil self when dealing with her. He even turned away as she was crying, as though he could not stand to see it. He has always been good to Draco, favoring him even above the other Slytherins.

I, too, picked up on the "Snape has no daughter" quote... it would have been easier to say Snape has no children, and be done with the questions. What's wrong with the people who ask these interview questions? When you get an answer like "Snape has no daughter," you immediately ask "Does that mean he has a son?!!"
bubotuber_pus
Hmmm... I'd prefer to see a "Snape was in love in Lily' in the plot or "Snape was in love in Narcissa". I feel somewhere between the lines that Narcissa is in love with her husband- as though the Death Eaters could truly love? So right now I see no chances for Snape.

Then, when I was reading the chapter 2 of the HBP, I always thought that Snape's so nice for Narcissa because he wants to know what she came for, because he fels she came on purpose. Snape knows that Bellatrix would better eat dung than tell him what's going on biggrin.gif I think that Snape may like Narcissa, but love? I don't think so.
samsmom
In another thread, it was discussed that perhaps Snape and Lily may have studied potions together. Slughorn keeps saying how talented at potions Lily was. If the notes in the HBP's potions book were from his studies with Lily, then perhaps Lily saw some good in Snape and liked him. Then she was so hurt when he called her a mudblood, that she gave up on him. But those are big 'ifs'.

As for Narcissa, she and Snape had a better chance to interact, both being in Slytherin. Her family was extremely intolerant, and perhaps she was even the reason that Snape joined the DE's in the first place. If her family disapproved in him, he may have joined to try to impress them and be able to see her. When it didn't work, he realized he was in too deep and went to DD. (I have further theories on that but it gets too far off subject.)

Now, after all of this time, Narcissa may love Lucius (eeeeeewwwwww!)
although I see no sign of it anywhere. They are just the "perfect, proper, rich snobby family' together and that could easily be a facade that has nothing to do with love.
sexy-lass
Ooo, I love this ships. Snape and Narcissa, i sound really good. I like the theory on Snape being Draco father that sound so good. I can see it know....

"Draco!" Snape said "I am your father!" lol, it a funny thought, but I really like it.

I think that Narcissa and Snape will make a lovely couple, it can be a secret relationship, we do not know about and JK was to bust it out in the last book. dry.gif
Black_Velvet
Well it's the great contrast between the way he treated Narcissa and her sister that makes me think that he might be kind of, in love with her. He was unusually kind to her, and yet so cold and unkind towards Bellatrix. blink.gif

Plus, Narcissa has clearly been to his house before, but she seems to be the only one. It is evident that Bellatrix has never been there before by her shock and disgust when she found out where he lived. This really makes me wonder why Narcissa has been there before though.....Perhaps they have a secret relationship or something...

I love Samsmom's point about why he joined the Dark side as well, it would make a lot of sense.

And I really do think that her evil facade is a facade. Again, by the contrast with her sister Bellatrix. She said that if she had sons she would be proud to give them up to the service of the Dark Lord. Narcissa's reaction to what she said leads me to think that she's actually a very compassionate woman, and not at all evil. She was appalled, disgusted at what Bellatrix had said. If Narcissa was truly an evil person like Lucius, then she wouldn't have been crying all over Snape's chest and breaking down in front of him about it. She would be proud like Bella and let it go. This shows that she had much compassion in her heart. Which is complete opposite of her sister, and definitely opposite of Lucius as well. I think she's a DE because Lucius is, because she's married to him,(most likely because she's pure blood and was probably an arranged marriage or something)and if she seems evil it's because she has to put on that facade when she's with Lucius and the other DEs. dry.gif This is the fist time we are ever really introduced to Narcissa in the books. This weak woman who's having an emotional breakdown in front of Snape about her son. First impressions are the most important. I think JK Rowling created this scene so that we can see what kind of person she is....since we never see her actual personality anywhere else in the book. This is who she is. This is who she is underneath the facade she puts on with Lucius.
bubotuber_pus
I agree with most thigs in the post written a post above mine. Just one thing: how do you think, would be Narcissa as copassionate when if it wasn't her son? I'm not sure. She can also treat people without being delicate or without compassion. The example was shown at Madame Malkin's. Huh?
Louise
QUOTE (Black_Velvet)
Well it's the great contrast between the way he treated Narcissa and her sister that makes me think that he might be kind of, in love with her. He was unusually kind to her, and yet so cold and unkind towards Bellatrix.


You know, I've recently re-read HBP and the contrast was rather stark, wasn't it? I totally agree that Snape showed kindness towards Narcissa, albeit his own personal brand of kindness wink.gif

I think you could also contrast the deep feeling Narcissa has for her son with the cold disregard with which Bella proclaims that she would be proud to sacrifice her children for Voldemort. She's married, but heaven knows why...she clearly has no comprehension whatsoever what love is. Snape and Narcissa are the only ones in that room who are prepared to do something for someone else; not because there's something in it for either of them, but because they want to - because they care.

I really like the idea of this ship and I think a very strong case could be made for it in canon. smile.gif

I do agree with bubotuber too though - Narcissa can also be very cold. But then, she was protecting her son there too and so behaved as any other parent would if she felt her child was threatened. Parents can be very blind to faults in their own children - you only have to speak to the parents of a bully to find that out wink.gif Expressing love and compassion for your own children doesn't make her a nice person at all, and I think Snape recognises that, but he also recognises that she is acting in the best interests of her son and, for whatever reason, he chose to help her. Because he is/has been in love with her? Maybe. He does seem to be touched by her emotional display, doesn't he? Which means he must care...very un-Snape like. What a complex character...it's why I love him so much! smile.gif
Black_Velvet
Ok, but that scene in the robe shop, I'm thinking she acted that way, so cold and had that "hating mudblood" attitude, because of who she is, and who she's with. I'm thinking this is a facade, we see her true self when she's with Snape in that scene....I think she's merely putting on her facade in the shop because she's a Malfoy and she has to....I mean, she's married to Lucius, this evil mudblood hater, if he finds out that his wife has been kind to anybody but a pure blood, then he'll probably have a bone to pick with her when he gets out of jail....we don't really hear of any abusive behaviour from him, but he'd certainly be exceedingly angry with her, possibly even divorce her or something if she doesn't act evil....which would be pretty bad for her since she's got no job(none that I know of anyways)...it's just the fact that she's involved with the Dark side now,(because of Lucius I'm thinking) that she has to be this way, she doesn't have much of a choice really......I think Jo showed us that scene with Snape for a reason. This is the first real scene where we actually get to see the real Narcissa....the robe shop scene is after the Snape/Narcissa scene.....so first we see this compassionate Narcissa having an emotional breakdown in front of Snape, and then we see her in a public place, acting completely different....I think it's all an act....I mean, sure maybe she's not the nicest of people, but maybe she is, we don't really know after that second chapter when she's with Snape. I think I am fairly convinced that her evilness is a facade. wink.gif
bubotuber_pus
I know what you mean, and I'd like to agree. I'd like to think that she , coming from the Death eaters family, isn't like this. Maybe something changed when Draco was threatened? maybe if LV is a threat for Death Eaters, they start thinking "How stupid I was!".

Snape was nice for Narcissa, yes, he did. And notice he was nice for Draco too, I'd say too nice. I'm not sure if the case of being Slytherin works here, or maybe they were friends... I'd rather stay by the option that Snape and Narcissa=friends (maybe together with Lucius).
Caoo
I don't know what to think any more. As so many have said, it's not like Snape to be so nice to anyone. And some has said that Snape may be Draco's father, and that's why he was so kind to Narcissa, but then what about Lucius? If Narcissa loved Snape, and not Lucius, then why didn't she marry Snape instead? It's quite suspicios that she went straight to Snape, but could they be more than just good friends? And let us just say that Narcissa don't like Lucius anymore .. why didn't she just break up with him? Was that because she was too afraid of his follow Deatheaters? That really doesn't make any sense. And Draco always talks about: "If my father had known .." But if his father had been Snape, then his father would have known .. It seems likely that Narcissa and Snape has a secret relationship, but on the other hand it seems crazy!

Could it be that Snape is in love with Narcissa, but Narcissa just thinks that Snape is a good friend? And then, if it is like that, does Narcissa know that Snape is in love with her?
laudine
you all pointed out some really good arguments here, especially samsmom. Here are some thoughts of mine:

For narcissa's cold behaviour at the dress store: if it was true that she was forced into a marriage with Lucius because he's a pure blood, I at Narcissa's place would become very bitter after years of marriage with a man I don't know. That maybe explains this coldness. If you don't get any passion you're becoming that way. For all we know maybe she's just frustrated...and of course she wanted to protect her son. Would you be nice to a kid who bullied your son?

For Narcissa's love to Lucius: Have we ever seen as even a glimpse of Narcissa's warm feelings towards Lucius? Has she even really talked about him? No. I really don't think so.

I am sure that Snape has/ had feelings for Narcissa, he wouldn't have been so nice to her if it wasn't that way. But I honestly don't think that Jo will make a romatic story in book 7 about it.


Black_Velvet
Well, I'm not sure, if there is a relationship there, then it seems to be a fairly mutual one, i mean, she seems to be very close to Snape. It almost seemed like an outlet for her, when she was with Snape....she was like breaking down, and didn't really seem to think twice about showing her weakness to Snape...most people in their right minds would, just because of the kind of man he is, his personality...but he acted so differently towards her...maybe they do have some sort of secret relationship, but i'm not sure.....and the fact that she has her full trust in him and everything...i don't know, it seems to me like she loves him....

By the way, it wouldn't be that simple for Narcissa to just, break up with Lucius.....she'd first of all be seen as a huge disgrace to her family and all the DEs, who would probably all turn on her,(Voldemort would probably even kill her if he finds out she's turned against him) her entire family would probably want nothing to do with her anymore since they'd all be disgusted with her if she breaks up with Lucius to fall for a poor half-blood....plus, she has no job, and she'll have no money....Snape's clearly poor, we can kinda tell by the condition of his house and everything....it'd probably be a bit of a difficult situation there...plus there's Draco.....who clearly, well, I don't know if that's love, but definitely is kind of, one, with his father, he basically is his father.....obviously because he trained him to be like him, but Draco certainly wouldn't be too crazy about his mother falling for Snape and dumping Lucius either.....that'd definitely be an awkward situation...he'd probably be pissed off with both of them....

Narcissa by the way, since she is a pure blood I am almost certain that she would never be permitted to marry a half-blood or anybody but a pure-blood.....it's pure blood tradition, so even if she did love him or does love him, family wise, she would never be permitted to marry him, plus, she'd be filthy poor, since Snape clearly is....she'd basically be a disgrace to her family....it's just not that easy if you're a pure-blood with an evil family like her....
laudine
...yes and she doesn't seem to be that kind of person who stands up for her believes and her dreams. I mean marrying Lucius in the first place to fulfill her family's wishes isn't a brave thing...yeah I know there's always teh pressure. But if you've got a strong character you do what you really want to do not what your parents want you to do. So I actually don't think that they will come together in the end, which is very sad for poor Severus, even he needs love biggrin.gif
bubotuber_pus
It's true that lack of love can make you cold. We haven't seen Narcissa and Lucius talking to themselves or something like that, but we see that Narcissa defends Lucius in front of Snape and Bellatrix: "Don't you dare blame my husband!"

I'll stay by the thought that it's rather friendship than love.
samsmom
Someone mentioned that Narcissa is a DE... we don't know that. She hits me as the visibly dutiful wife, who (I very much agree with Black_Velvet) puts up a facade of the perfect pureblood family because that's how she was raised. I don't think she's a DE because she's not the fighting type. She supports her husband and son out of fear of what could happen to them if she didn't.

As for Mdme. Milkin's... laudine is right. Remember, Narcissa hates Harry, Ron and Hermione for what they've done to her son. Wasn't it just last summer that they sent Draco, Crabbe and Goyle home looking like slugs??? Narcissa sees Draco as the victim in this, she never sees the torture he puts the trio through, or the vicious things Draco and his cronies do.

Black_Velvet, excellent point, I've read it more than once and didn't pick up on the fact that it is obvious that Narcissa had been to Snape's house before. It could have been with Lucius, but Snape really doesn't seem llke the dinner party host type. tongue.gif
mountain_rider_250
I think that it is a bit out there the thought of Snape and Narcissa getting together, but the more I think about it, the more it makes sense.

I doubt thought that it is a romantic getting together. To me they are close friends, she sought comfot and help from Snape in half-blood price, she trusted him to protect her only son. Next she may ask him to protect Lucius when he gets out of Azkaban, it seems logical, She didnt seem to be very supportive of the Dark Lord's choice to use Draco. She may change sides and take Draco and Lucius with her.

Just a thought.
Black_Velvet
Well, samsmom, you don't necessarily have to be a DE type to be a DE....not if you're let's say, forced into being a DE, like Draco was....he clearly wasn't the fighting/killing type.....he didn't have the guts to even lay a hand on Dumbledore, let alone kill him....and yet he's a DE....so, I don't think we can really base her being a DE on her personality....perhaps she, like Draco, had no choice...since she married Lucius and her entire family is on the Dark side....plus she wears the DE cloak when we see her in the second chapter....so....I think she probably is, but doesn't want to be. It would be kinda nice if she left the Dark side with Snape and Draco....and then they wouldn't be seen as the enemy anymore wink.gif But, i doubt that'll happen.
laudine
Black_Velvet, what exactly is a DE cloak? Isn't she just wearing a dark travelling cloak?
Anyway, she must be in some DE stuff, because if she wouldn't, she wouldn't know some of voldy's plans, like Draco killing Dumbledore. But one can be forced into the 'DE college'. And maybe Severus and Narcissa both got a liking to eachtother when they were both DE's.....
bubotuber_pus
Narcissa looks for me as if she was in a way forced to be a Death Eater. She's too fearful if somebody asked her to kill somebody- I have no proof but I feel it.

The story in the chapter 2 doesn't make me like her much more-somehow. It's just... OK, now it's her son who may be killed. We can't be 100% sure if she's a Death Eater or not, but she's in the family who consists of Death Eaters. I don't like the fact that she's got a nervous breakdown because her precious son can be killed and Death Eaters kill many innocent people. is that OK for her?
laudine
No it's not okay, but afterall it's her son and she loves him. It's cruel to say this, but the only son is more important than people who one doesn't know. Not that this apologises Narcissa's behaviour. But chapter 2 shows in a very good way, that Severus is not The hatred filled man who hasn't got any kind feelings at all. It shows that he's got some niceness in him. You know I don't think that say a 'normal' woman, who hasn't got to do anything with the DE could fall in love with Severus. Could you imagine Molly Weasley with him? So the better is to choose one of the nicer female DE, and that would be Narcissa and not Bellatrix.
Oh and I agree, I think Narcissa was forced into the DE club.
bubotuber_pus
Molly Weasley? Noooo!!! laugh.gif But if Snape likes/loves Narcissa now, I'm sure that he had something for Lily (check the thread in Half-Blood Prince section about foreshadowings of books 4-7 in the Triwizard Tournament, I think I have some kind of a real proof that he had a soft spot for her).

Narcissa isn't satisfied of the life she lives, I suppose. Just look how Harry has described the look of her face... wink.gif as if she had something stinking in front of her nose! Or maybe she feels that special that she looks from above at all these small people...
destiny
*SPOILER AHEAD*


hi,

I think there’s on fundamental thing we are missing out on where this ship is concerned...Snape killed dumbledore. This is such a huge factor in the emotional capacity in Snape’s character and I don’t think that he, through all the bad that has been done to him, would ever find it in his heart to 'do something for nothing' like help out Draco or his mother for nothing in return.

I therefore i agree with the theory that there must be history between Narssica and Snape and that maybe he feels he owes it to her to look after Draco.

I don’t think though that Rowling would, after book 6, find it appropriate to create such a flamboyant ship with Snape. I agree with some people that Snape is a lone character and does not feel or need that kind of love.

And also….is it just me or can ANYONE see Snape playing happy families????
bubotuber_pus
*SPOILER AHEAD*


Yes, Snape killed Dumbledore, but people who believe that he did it on DD's plea may think that Snape can have some good feelings inside of him. Those who are more in the "Snape-is-pure-evil" camp, may think that he can't love.

Snape is somewhere inbetween for me. I'd say that he could love a woman, but I'm not sure if he can now.
laudine
Isn't he the kind of guy who's always the great sufferer?! You know loving the woman in secret, having bad memories in secret...it never tells anything to anyone. That's why he's so frustrated. And because of that I don't think that he could play happy daddy and husband to Draco and Narcissa.
Yes he could have had the same feelings towards Lily that he maybe has towards Narcissa. The difference is that back in school he treated Lily bad (called her mudblood and everything) while he doesn't treat Narcissa bad. What do you guys make about that?
bubotuber_pus
But remember that when he called Lily a Mudblood, the chapter was named as "Snape's Worst Memory". I wouldn't be surprised if most of the people thought that it had been Snape's worst memory because of the Marauders and suddenly Rowling would make a surprise and it was because of Lily.

I think that the Triwizard Tournament and the task in which Harry has to fight the spider- and he wins by hitting his soft spot- is a foreshadowing of Snape having soft spot for Lily smile.gif . I said in the link I gave few posts above that the skrewt Harry had to fight was a symbol of Slughorn- and Harry hit the soft spot of the skrewt (Lily).

I think that Snape had something for Lily (it doesn't have to be necessarily love, but it can be), and if he loved a woman/Narcissa afterwards- I can't be sure.
ashleigh07
Hi guys, just dropping in on some mod business... wink.gif

bubotuber and destiny, I've had to edit your posts in the previous page. Just a reminder to y'all to be careful about posting spoilers. I know it seems highly impossible, but there *are* actually people who have yet to read HBP so in saying that, please remember to post a spoiler alert and to put the text in orange as I've done.

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laudine
bubotuber...you have a point and I really should read that fanpic. If he had a crush on Lily that would explain why he hated James so much, but then the theory of being in love with Narcissa wouldn't work for he doesn't hate Lucius. Well, at least he doesn't show it.
bubotuber_pus
hihi, I've always thought that there is more sympathy and friendship for me here than love wink.gif I also thought that Narcissa loves her husband, but I didn't have proofs for that smile.gif untill I made this interpretation of the Triwizard Tournament and as you say, it may point out that Snape loved Lily.
GryffindorSeekerHP07
This relation ship would be quite funny!!!!!! Narcissa still loves Lucius so kinda unlikely but hey then Draco would have a dad whos a death eater in jail and a step dad who is also a death eater but not in jail.

But what do you guys and gurls think Draco would think of his step daddy??

Write back and tell me cause im curious to kno!!

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