I was looking at the great new pics of GOF posted here on VTM and I noticed the one where Harry is in the graveyard, he is touching the tombstone that has the names of the family Voldy killed. His fathers family.

It has Thomas Riddle - that's the grandfather,
then I think it's Mary Riddle? (cant see the name properly, cant look it up right now), that was the grandmother.
Then should come Tom Riddle, the father.

But the stone says Tom Marvolo Riddle. Isn't that Voldemorts name??

I mean, Voldemort is Tom Marvolo Riddle and he inherited his middle name of Marvolo from Merope's side of the family, it was her fathers name. So why is it on the tombstone as the middle name of Voldemorts father? It doesn't make any sense does it?

This is a link to the Graveyard Picture in case you haven't seen it.

Maybe I've forgotten something or I'm missing something really stupidly obvious?

i noticed that too! i showed my dad and we were both thinking "thats really gonna mess it up for the rest of the movies"

Tom Marvlo Riddle is Voldemorts dad's name and Voldemorts name. The people who made the movie did not make a mistake.

I beg to differ

Tom Riddle is Voldy's dads name. If he had a middle name it was not Marvolo

Marvolo cames from the Slytherin wizard side of the family. It was Meropes fathers name! Therefore, should not be on the tomb!

I am not completely sure to beleive you but I'll go check the Half Blood Prince to see excalty why Voldemort and his dad have the same name.

I give in the moviemakers made a big mistake whick could mess up some of the movie. I guess you are all right.

Graveyard Picture

The stone is all wrong!

It says Tom Marvolo Riddle was born in 1916, but he was born in 1926. And it says he died in 1943... Tom Marvolo Riddle "dies" and Voldemort is "born"?

But if Tom Marvolo Riddle on the tombstone is supposed to refer to Voldemort's dad, then he would have been 11 when Voldemort was born. wrong haha.

I think I confused myself here. lol Sorry if you are.

But in any case, the tombstone is wrong.

This is the first time seeing this picture for me, and I must see, you are quite right. This doesn't make any sense at all and will eventually contradict events from the sixth book. I have no idea what they are thinking. With all the cast and scene cuts they have made, I am becoming very irriated. But, being a true Harry Potter fan, I will go see it. I am also not going to judge it anymore until I see it.

Dear, dear, dear...doesn't bode well for the movie when they can't even get basic little details like that right, does it?

*sigh*

Still, I'm not judging the movies based on the books anymore because it's clear that they bear very little resemblance to each other. The details are wrong, but then so are a lot of things in the movies...I've come to expect that so this isn't that much of a surprise for me really.

I think you've just got to suspend your disbelief and sort of 'switch off' from being a book fan when you see the movies or you're going to see lots of things that aren't right.

I'm with Ash on this one...I think you just have to accept the movies and books as entirely seperate entities.

When I first noticed the tombstone I was like

Then I was wondering if I was right so I was like

So I checked the books and found I was right and thought

But now I just know I'll love the film even if it isn't terribly true to the book because it was the first three films that got me into the books in the first place. So now I'm back to good ol'

I think we have to keep in mind that the film makers have to cater for film goers, which means that those who haven't read the books will need those sort of nudges to connect all the dots together. This was the main reason why I decided to read the nooks. I really enjoyed the first three films and thought the books might have more background info that would be good to know. - And I was right, I think.

I was just looking at the picture and saw a huge mistake. They completely made a huge mistake. Tom Riddle(Voldemort's dad) was definetly 12 when Voldemort was born. They (the flimakers) cannot get anything right they keep making tons of mistakes.*sigh*

Snapeisevil, I think you need to understand where I was coming from in my previous post...

I'm not going to launch into a tirade again because I've done that quite enough, but I know exactly how you feel - my faith in the movies and JKR has taken the biggest bashing over the last few weeks than it ever has before...so much so that I considered leaving the fandom altogether, so no one understands disappointment and frustration more than I do. If you have a look at my posts in the 'I think GoF will displease fans' and 'GoF cuts' in the Movie forum, you'll perhaps understand my point of view a bit more.

Basically, it is pointless ranting and raving about mistakes and cuts and things that aren't right - WB are in it to make money, pure and simple, not to please the fans and anyone who thinks otherwise is, forgive me, deluding themselves. That's the exact same thing I've been told over my views about the books - JKR writes them for herself, not to please the fans.

I've been where you are very recently, but I've come from there now, thankfully, and I've actually found that now I've come to accept the books, and the movies, for what they are, I've found myself looking forward to seeing the movie again when I solemnly swore before that you wouldn't catch me there if you paid me. I'm not expecting to see an ad verbatim copy of the books and I'm fully expecting all my favourite things to be cut, but I'm hoping that the filmmakers will have created something that is capable of standing on its own, whether you've read the books or not, that might possibly be even better than we expected.

I've loosened up a lot about it and found that I'm much better for it... I've realised that raging against the machine never achieves anything in the end other than to leave you puce-faced and one step closer to an embolism.

I would just like to apologise dana, i wasnt aiming the rant at you, i was just disgruntaled at the actins of WB. I realise going of on one like that wont solve anything, infact it will probably lower moral further. i again apologise to everyone, i'm sorry i made myself look like a prat.
I understand your disapointment dana but dont loose faith in JKR because as she has said repeatedly se cannot controle the film and wont even try to agrivate the directors.
Hang on in there dana we need to keep proper fans so that when book 7 comes out in 2 years we will have people who respect the storys to talk about them.
Just to keep this on topic yes the tombstone is wrong.

I enjoy the movies a great deal, but I've long since come to realize that they don't and probably never will be accurate potrayals of the books. I think it's pretty clear that WB isn't even remotely interested in creating a faithfull movie, when they hire a director who hasn't read any of the books other then the one he's directing. I mean seriously...how can you accurately direct a movie when you only know a piece of the whole story?

it's really so STUPID! it's a STUPID mistake and ANYONE who read the hp books will know that it's WRONG. stupid directer

If you look at these pictures from the teaser, you see that Durmstrang (from what we see) is all boys and Beauxbatons is all girls. Do you think they're planning it that way in the film?

http://www.veritaserum.com/galleries/displ...0699&fullsize=1
Durm

http://www.veritaserum.com/galleries/displ...0712&fullsize=1
Beaux

Can we please not turn this into a bash-the-director-thread. Ok a mistake was made but come on if you are going to have a go at the directer please add a little more than name calling.

Incidentlly if you really want to highlight something could you please use the Bold, Italics and underlining buttons to do it as cap-locks are conisdered shouting in cyber space.

Thanks, Shane

yes people think he died remember. i think someone added his name after he disapeared when the spell backfired when he was trying to kill harry. Since most people thought he was dead, they added his name.

And so the HP-movie-defender arrives

You know, in some twisted way, I'm enjoying this - I was getting so sick of people bashing Cuaron back when PoA was the main HP film in discussion.

At the end of the day, as I've said many a time in here, everyone has to realize and accept that the films are just BASED on the books. They were NEVER meant to be an exact film representation/replication of what occurs in the books. The fact of the matter is films and books are two totally different mediums, even JKR knows this. If she didn't acknowledge this she wouldn't have allowed the film industry to rip apart her masterpiece.

I can't explain how they could have made such an obvious mistake with the tombstone, but what I can say is, JKR does play quite a huge part in what goes (and doesn't) into the film. The fact that is there means for some strange reason, JKR approved of it. So go figure.

Any film that is made is not perfect. Directors are still human like everyone else. Yes admittedly, WB films are of a certain caliber so it's quite embarrassing for them to have made such an obvious mistake. But hey, no one's perfect. What's done is done and I really don't see why everyone should get into such a fuss about it. Particularly when it starts going down the road of bashing and flaming the director and film crew. You try and do a movie, it's not as easy as most of youse think. And before any of you start, I'm not being all full of it, I've studied film before and have done a bit of filmmaking in the past.

I've always enjoyed the HP films and this does not mean that I'm any less of a HP book fan. I love the books and I think they are brilliant pieces of work. But when I go watch the movies, I go knowing full well that I'm only going to watch a film that tells of the magic and atmosphere that surrounds what we all love about the books, NOT to watch a direct visual version of what I've already read. Coz I mean, how boring would that be? I know exactly what happens, no need for me to see it played out, word for word. Maybe some scenes, but it's not necessary to see everything...particularly certain minor subplots that wouldn't affect the story too much if it were cut out from the film.

I actually think it's mighty interesting going to see a HP film which is basically the story told through another person's eyes, ie the director. Yes it may be different from what you envisioned or expected, but hey, that's how it is with books and just about anything else in life, isn't it? When we all picked up a HP book for the first time and read it, we all interpreted it differently, we all had different pictures painted in our heads. I'm sure all of us have a different opinion and vision of how Harry is.

Now imagine what an absolute mission it is for the directors and film crew to come up with a film based on a book that has aroused so many different perspectives and feelings from - I'd imagine it to be a flipping nightmare!! Because ultimately, it doesn't matter WHO directs it or HOW the film turns out, it will NEVER be able to please every single person in this world. And that's just the way it is. No one will be able to do it "right" because everyone has a different idea about the books. So in saying that, all they can really do is create a film from how they've interpreted it.

Man I've gone on a bit of a tangent, haven't I?! Sorry folks, my bad. I get like that when I talk about the movies - can you tell I'm very passionate about them?

I'm not making excuses for Newell and his crew, I admit that this was quite a shameful mistake. But everyone makes mistakes and I feel we all should cut them some slack. At the end of the day, as I've said, when you go watch the movie, that's all they are - movies. HP from a film perspective. They can never be compared to the books, which are obviously the original text.

Right sorry for the sermon - but I must say, it's great to be able to post like a normal member - it's been flipping ages!!

I looked over this and noticed something...this was no mistake. You have to look at more than just the tombstone. You also have to look at Harry Potter's face and his wand. I can only assume that he is looking into the eyes of Voldemort. You can also see Harry's wand pointing at the name, "Tom Marvolo Riddle". A name which he learned in his 2nd year, is the first name of Lord Voldemort.

What I also know is that the one in the picture called Tom Marvolo Riddle cannot be Voldemorts father. I presume it to not be his father...but the death of Lord Voldemort's former self. I am taking a stab in the dark that the tombstone starts out with the life of Tom Riddle and the death of Tom Marvolo Riddle. Remember, these are the first people he murders. Could it not be symbolism that this was the end of Tom Marvolo Riddle and the beginning of Lord Voldemort?

hmm that's weird. Durmstrang could easily have only boys, but with the beauxbatons people, there should be at least one boy, since parvati patil leaves harry at the yule ball to go and dance with him...but it's not really important...still, it's weird

but then voldemort's fathers name is not on it. there are only three names there...right?

I had noticed that as well when i watched the teaser trailer. Now that you mention it, that is very strange. They never do say if Durmstrang is an all boys school. I know that Beauxbatons isn't an all girls school because of what Hermy-own-ninny said, Parvati leaves harry and goes to dance with a boy from beauxbatons.

maybe they added it when Voldemort vanished cos they thought he was dead...but they didn't know about him didn't they? And i doubt the DE's (Or voldemort) would have added his former self on a muggle tombstone. We'll just have to except it as a mistake and move on!

But i noticed something, well a couple of things actually, i'm sure that it's going to be explained in all good time (mainly in the film) but Harry doesn't have his wand doesn't he? And doesn't Wormtail drag his there, so he would n't be able to see the tombstone either. Also, doesn't he get tied to the gravestone? I'd like to see them try tie Dan to that tombstone! it clearly is impossible what with the angel there and all.

Ok, stupid little things and as Dana says they re only based on the books, but i am rather curious as to how they're going to get round Harry having his wand. I've just checked and he defintley dropped it!

he could just curse them to timbuktu if he had his wand.....

No, Kraze, it's definitely a mistake. The 'Marvolo' shouldn't be there. the Thomas Riddle is Voldemort's grandfather, the woman (Mary, was it? ) was the grandmother and Tom Marvolo Riddle is supposed to be Voldmort's father, but it shouldn't have the Marvolo bit in there. That was something Merope added to Voldemort's real name, wasn't it? After someone on her side of the family?

Oh, I don't know...I guess it's not really that important anyway. As I've said, I've lightened up a lot about the whole movie thing since it's become apparent why JKR allows so much to be cut and fiddled with (namely because it wasn't important) and so I'm firmly with Ash. It's no big deal, basically...

oh no you all are sooo right .it is a huge mistake on the movie-makers part.
still,do you think JK would object when she sees this picture?i mean it really is a big mistake but i think the movie makers dont know this because gof was shot before HBP came out ,right ?so how could they know marvolo was on the voldy's mother's side.
please dont be angry anyone ,ok ? im just soooo confused at the moment.please let me know what you make of this and i totally sympathise with you dana_scully.

I just saw the update on Home Page that there has been loads of online debate about the tombstone mistake and WB are considering using CGI to rectify it.

I really think that would be best all round because even though Movies and Books are different mediums etc, they cannot deny from the sales of HBP, that a very large portion of people who see the film will be Book fans of HP and it just kinda smacks of 'dont know, dont care' attitude if they dont make some effort to keep it accurate!

Huh! We won! And they DO care what we all think. Isn't that nice?

razzberry2 is right, the name on the tombstone is entirely incorrect. Tom Marvolo Riddle is Voldemort's name. His father's name is Tom Riddle, but Marvolo is the name for Voldemort's grandfather on his mothers side..

I also saw that the powers to be at WB are going to fix the tombstone, probably using CGI. It was a great to see that they are interested in fixing their errors for the sake of the upheaval it was causing the true fans!

And to address another point made earlier about the accuracy of the films to the books...there is an interview on the CoS DVD with JKR and the screenwriter that addresses the challenge to incorporate so many amazing details from the books into the scripts. They try to do their best and they do collaborate so that JKR makes sure that the main details that support the ongoing storyline get included correctly.

There was also an interview with JKR where she commented on the 3rd movie and how the filmmakers had enhanced details that would really add to the story that takes place in later films, and the filmmakers had done it unintentionally. So she was very please with the effect.

Just a small note of support for the film industry. Aren't we all glad that they didn't just decide that the Harry Potter saga would be too complicated to bring to the screen, and not make the films at all!!!!

Dont worry people WB already stated that they where going to fix it!! but the funny thing is that the sean was not going to be re-shoot! so I guess CGR will have to do the trick or they will simply cover it or eliminated the seane

Thanks for sharing that.

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Strange indeed,but not really a disaster for me. The fact that BB is a girls-only school makes the circle round. 3 schools: 1 only boys, 1 only girls and 1 with both

lol i thought when the 'ladies' of beauxbatons and the 'sons' of durmstrangs enter, it was highly cheezy..i started laughing so hard...well the beauxbatons did "ahhh" a little too many times, and the durmstrang people looked like some hitler's army..but it was really cool..all that gymnastics..and krum looked so angry..

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I liked the Durmstrang entrance, but the Bauxbatons entrence was a bit cheesy, all they did was sigh a lot which wasn't really impresive. THe fire and acrobatics the durmstrangs did was really cool though. Makes me wonder what Hogwarts students would do for an entrance if they went to one of the two other schools

the beuxbatons entrance was cheesy to the max. Durmstrang was really cool though. from the trailer i thought they just walked in angrily but the gymnastics and fire was really cool. the film also made it much to obvious to the unread viewer who the champions would be before they put their names into the goblet. Fleur was the beuxbaton with the longest twirl while Krum was the Durmstrag that came in last.

If Hogwars didi it i would imagine it would be showing off a few defence against the dark arts stuff. sort of like from the 2nd film when Harry and Malfoy dueled. That's just me though.

Well, I liked the Durmstrang's 'sons' were great. It was so cool, and I liked the rythm. But the 'daughters' of Beauxbatons were... I don't know how to say it. I liked that too, but not as much as Durmstrang. They "aaaah"-ed too much.

Hm, how Hogwarts would have presented anything like that... A good question! I think the only person who could know that for sure, is Jo. But we can make our own thoughts about it, and can come to a conclusion.

This was an interesting topic, LadyPotter, keep it going

Yes the entrances were a bit cheesy. The girls, in particular, doing nothing but saying "ahhh" a couple times. It kind of fits into the story though, the schools would want to impress each other in some way, wouldn't they?

When the Beauxbatons ladies walked in it was kinda corny.I liked when the Durmstrang guys walked in with their erm...stick things.

I liked both the entrances! The girls of Beauxbatons in the books are veelas and they love the attention so I could have imagined them walking in and sighing and twiddling around! I loved Ron's face and how Harry was practically stood on his chair! I also loved how Hermione and Ginny just sat there not understanding what all the fuss was about.

The Durmstrangs entrance was cool, wasn't expecting the gymnastics but I thought the music was good when they entered! I also loved Dumbledores face, even he looked surprised of their entrance. Maybe Hogwarts just aren't as big headed, I couldn't imagine them doing something like that when entering a school x

Did anyone notice the huge change in Flitiwick's character? He used to have puffy white hair and a beard, and now he has a black mustache and black greased back hair. Maybe I missed this in the book or this is old news. What's the deal with it anyway?

huh? sounds fishy. I didn't see the movie yet, so uh. but is he still played by Warwick Davis??

OHHH WOW!

I almost forgot to criticize that horrible aspect of the movie in the thread!! What on Earth did they do to Flitwick!?!?!

It was horrible!! He looked completely different, no longer that small, goblin-like creature as he was portrayed in the previous movies....he looked TERRIBLE! All he did theroughout the whole movie was conduct a school choir! Since when was there a choir and WHY was he conducting it!? It just made NO sense to me at all!

I dont know, that confused me greatly...


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im not sure if that was flitwick as the conducter...but if it was, then what were they thinking?

so that strange looking "creature/human" was Flitwick?
It sure was a little guy but I thought it was the band leader and nothing more than that. Maybe they just cut Flitwick out of the movie, because if that small guy was him, the description from the book doesn't go with what he looks like.

I saw the GoF film and i was a little bit sad by the cuts and modifications that they had made, nevertheless it was a great film

But i was mainly confused!!

How did Barty Crouch Sr die?
We only see him on the ground dead, and nothing more!!!
We don't even know who killed him ...