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Louise
Erm, I'm not so sure that you're in the right thread, Gryffindor... This thread is specifically for the H/Hr ship so I don't think you'll find much support for Hr/M or Hr/VK here I'm afraid. There are threads discussing those relationships - just have a look in the pinned masterlist at the top of the topics list in the ships forum, and you'll find them. smile.gif

I totally agree with you guys here though - I could tear my hair out with those film-makers. It's so clear now the way JKR is heading, so why on earth are they making the movies so H/Hr orientated? The hugs, the talks, they're always in the screenshots together...I just don't know. Why is JKR allowing them to do that when she wants to head another way? I just don't understand it at all...no wonder fans who only know HP through the films think it's going to be H/Hr - they'r going to have such a smack in the face when they see HBP. "Where on earth did THAT come from?!!! blink.gif " wink.gif

Well, I guess I'll just content myself for now by re-watching the trailer and enjoying the VERY strongly H/Hr orientated moments. biggrin.gif
HermioneGio
I know Louise, I've already watched it thousand times!! biggrin.gif
That's true, those fans who know HP only through the movies will be at least disappointed by HBP movie. That been said, HBP movie will be supposedly released after book 7... so, we'll know how the whole story ends... and maybe it will be H/Hr, who knows... I still have a little, tiny hope! tongue.gif
Eowyn
QUOTE (Dana_Scully @ Sep 17 2005, 03:12 AM)

It's so clear now the way JKR is heading, so why on earth are they making the movies so H/Hr orientated? The hugs, the talks, they're always in the screenshots together...I just don't know. Why is JKR allowing them to do that when she wants to head another way?

Yeah, and the wicked thing is - even though I totally know that JKRs direction is obviously Ron and Hermione, I just canīt help myself and feel hope for Harry and Hermione when I watch those scenes.... rolleyes.gif Itīs tricky, this little plant called "hope", isnīt it? It grows where ever it wants to grow, without asking..... rolleyes.gif
Dominique
Dana, you just posted the 100th post on this thread! Time to celebrate biggrin.gif *dances* Yay!

Anyways.. I think what the movie directors are doing is cruel as well.. why are they showing so many H/HR moments? They could surely cut them down if they wanted to.. was 'the hug' really neccecary? I don't think so (not that I'm complaining, but..) this just makes more people believe in the H/HR ship, which, according to Rowling, was never going to happen.

Sure I like H/HR moments as much as the next person, but it is really just hurting us in the end, when she get's with Ron - mad.gif - (if) then our shipper's will be more crushed than ever.. Shouldn't Jo stop the directors from filming so much H/HR interaction? Or does she have another things planned? Most likely not... so, even though I want H/HR moments, I dont at the same time, because I think I will just be more dissapointed by the end of the series..

Ahh.. it's so complicated.. *sighs* If only H/HR would get together allready rolleyes.gif Wish that could happen.. I really do.. maybe Jo is tricking us? Hey, I got to be a little possitive wink.gif
-Dominique
wellwisher of harry
Dear H/Hr shippers,
I already told in this column that there is no need to confuse ourselves whether it is R/Hr or H/Hr. Now after the movie trailers it is confirmed that it is H/Hr ship going to end up together.At first, after reading HBP i was very much sad to know that it is R/Hr. But after reading JKR interview and reread the book 6 i get so many clues supporting H/Hr ship. I already posted them.JKR told in the interview that it is her plan to make the readers and Harry to think that Ginny is suitable girl for Harry. She also stated that she already know they (Harry and Ginny)came together in book 6 and then PART.(NOT END UP TOGETHER).She told that Harry"s maturity level is growing year by year. What if he thought that Hermione is suitable to him in the end?I read one fan fiction in the mugglenet fan fiction column. The name of the fiction is Harry needed the one. The author gave the hidden H/Hr ship clues in HBP at the end of each chapter. The clues echoes exactly what i feel about the ship.So it is Harry and Hermione so be happy.
Dominique
Yay I have 100 post's too! biggrin.gif PS- When do you become a 2nd year?

Wellwisher, I'm sorry, but I have little hope left in H/HR, after what happend in HBP, but I still am a H/HR Shipper forever biggrin.gif *points to obvious H/HR support in signature/avatar* But really, I'm starting to really get upset with the directors of the movies, and with Jo, for letting them lead us on to something that is not going to happen. Quite frankly, I am getting sick and tired of being called 'blind' mad.gif

This is really starting to get on my nerves, if H/HR isn't going to happen, fine, I can deal with that, but if it's not going to happen, I don't want the movies to show like it is.. Ok, I'm a little confused tongue.gif
-Dominique
HermioneGio
Yes Dominique, I totally understand what you mean... I'm almost "afraid" to hope... but I must confess that Wellwisher's last post was so optimistic that made me believe in our 'ship a little bit more... rolleyes.gif



littlexoxlotte
Realistically, Hermione and Harry are my favorite. I don't know if JKR will ever put them together, but they are so cute. I owuldlove it if they would end up together!
Dominique
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Realistically, Hermione and Harry are my favorite. I don't know if JKR will ever put them together, but they are so cute.

I second that biggrin.gif

I keep watching the trailer again and again, both the UK one, and the normal one, and the H/HR moment's sting me... sad.gif Gosh, I really must be delusional... I am so mad that they keep so much H/HR interaction in the movie.. come on, did you guys see how Harry looked at Hermione when she peeked out behind that wall? No way was he interested in Parvati...

Stop Stop! Your just going to hurt out shippers more when H/HR won't get together! No matter how hard I try not to pay attention to it, it doesn't work! Why must the movie makers punish us so? Do they give us H/HR footage to sustain us for the movie, so we can be content for a while? Are they trying to rub it in? dry.gif

A tiny piece of my mind is yelling: "Maybe Jo doesn't want to end the relationship, because something is going to happen..."
But with all the name calling, and all the 'obvious' clues.. that tiny voice is dying out...

-Dominique
littlexoxlotte
I know exactly what you mean! I watch them too,and i am like "COME ON!!" But why would JKR let them do that if they aren't going to end up together, and at the same time, have Hermione touching ron and stuff in POA.

It just doesn't make sence
Eowyn
QUOTE (Dominique @ Sep 18 2005, 05:19 PM)
[come on, did you guys see how Harry looked at Hermione when she peeked out behind that wall? No way was he interested in Parvati...

Stop Stop! Your just going to hurt out shippers more when H/HR won't get together! No matter how hard I try not to pay attention to it, it doesn't work!

A tiny piece of my mind is yelling: "Maybe Jo doesn't want to end the relationship, because something is going to happen..."
But with all the name calling, and all the 'obvious' clues.. that tiny voice is dying out...


Dominique, I know what you mean - sigh rolleyes.gif As I wrote before, there is this wicked feeling (called hope, I guess.... tongue.gif ) that JKR could set up a dramatic last book where there is a love triangle between Hermione, Ron and Harry - and somehow one of those will be dissapointed and (imagine Darth Vades voice now biggrin.gif ) will turn to the dark side..... I know, I roll around the floor laughing about myself right now.... I defintely doesnīt make it much easier to be all grown up and face the ugly truth (Ron and Hermione biggrin.gif , I hope itīs not too harsh said, I mean more literally (mean I? biggrin.gif )) when you "get food" for those ridiculus hopes again and again... Like: "OK, I give up" and the next moment "Well, maybe...." and then again "OK, I give up..." .... "Well maybe..." (to be continued) Feels like a roller coaster rolleyes.gif
wellwisher of harry
Dear H/Hr shippers,
Ron loves Hermione. clear
Harry likes Ginny and then part. clear.
Hermione loves Ron. Is it clear in HBP?
If she confess her love clearly to Ron? if yes where?
If not WHY?
All her ubnormal activities,birds attack, inviting Cormac to the party, inviting Ron to the party at first etc are not clearly defined. It is sure that JKR will take atleast two or three chapters to explain her love towards harry in book 7. If Ron came to know she is interested with Harry do you think he will fight for her? Certainly not. For this reason JKR describes their friendship in such a good manner from the beginning. Ron was ready to sacrifice his life in the first book itself. JKR also portrays Ron a swallow person he can easily change his mind when he came to knew Hermione is loving Harry.The problem is Harry has to understand his own feeling towards Hermione. He did not realise how badly he need her and love her.That will happen in book 7. But i have another doubt what if Hermione sacrifice herself in the final war to protect harry? That is my only fear which i prayed not to happen.
Talking about the movies, the movies are not definetely misleading us.They are already lengthy.If they include R/Hr clues and leads to the R/Hr ship, then it will take more time in movie 7 when it will turn to H/Hr ship.So they exclude the R/Hr hints so it is obviously clear in the movies H/Hr ship which is surely going to happen. I think it made it clear.don't know.
For example, in POA Sirius sent a firebolt to Harry.Hermione doubted about its security and reported to Professor. So they forfeited the firebolt. Both Harry and Ron got angry with Hermione. When it was clear that there is no danger in the firebolt Harry wanted to compromise with Hermione first.It was the very first thing he wanted to do. After this scene we got the scabbers dispute.JKR established through this scenes that it was Ron who made Hermione upset,but It was not real.After the firebolt scene Harry used to talk to her. But he did not take much care about her.He did not know whether she came to the match or not. In the celebration party he take care about her after a very long time which made her so upset and angry. At that time Ron accused her about the scabbers matter. She burst out in tears and ran. So who was the reason for her upset? Is it Harry? or Ron? As a H/Hr shipper I thought it was Harry made her upset. The R/Hr shippers interpret it as it was Ron made her upset. In movie these all things are not included because it will make the movie lengthy.In the POA movie Harry get the firebolt in the end.thatsall.
Not like movies, in books JKR can write as many chapters as she like she can hidden many clues and she can made it clear in the end by including more chapters.Another point JKR told herself that she is enjoying these shipping arguments.Even we are also enjoying these arguments. Isn't? This made the books even more interesting. But movies should be 2 and half an hour in which they should include all the main points of the book.And i doubt in movie 6 whether they include the birds attacking secne or not.So Let our great JKR enjoy these arguments and let us also be happy.
If i add one more thing you all get mad at me. I don't even see any trailers at all. They are not dowmloading properly in my pc.Even though i am **** sure it is HARRY AND HERMIONE BOTH IN MOVIES

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harry&hermione
i am a H/HG supporter.. i really hope the they will pair up together...
i read the book that harry is going with ginny is it??
i hope the author will pair them up...
H/HG Rocks...
got any ship is about the romance between H/HG...
i will like to read it since i am having hoilday

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Dominique
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Feels like a roller coaster  rolleyes.gif

It does! That's exactly what I was thinking! One day i'm a little un easy, but the next day I'm totally pumped! Wow, what a good way of putting it!

Did you guys notice that this thread is getting more posts since the trailer came out? lol biggrin.gif I remember when there were like two people posting on here..

wellwisher I agree with you, why do they have so much H/HR footage in the movie?! That is my main question on my mind, and I seem to be rambling on and on bout that, so i'll stop tongue.gif But, when they come to the OotP movie, they won't cut down on the H/HR footage as well, because I think that's the book that H/HR's friendship/romance thing, what ever you want to call it, starts to grow.. I don't know, but.. that book really 'completed' it for me.. you know, when Hermione races back to The Burrow, cutting her vacation short, to try and comfort Harry, who has been in his room, and wouldn't let anybody up.. Then Hermione comes, and Boom! Connection! I just loved that part. And not because I thought it was 'shippy' and 'romantic', but because it was simpy H/HR.. as simple as that.. anyone agree? And in the end, in the fight with the Death Eaters, when Hermione goes down, wouldn't you think they would make that into a big moment?

But then when the 6th movie comes along... movie watchers will become confused.. right here. If you don't read the book, like some people don't, you are going to be totally lost, when Hermione starts acting all weird with Ron.. people are going to go.. huh? What happened? huh.gif And boy will they be in a shockr, when they see Harry with Ginny.. wow, she played a roll in CoS.. yes I remember her.. and then.. 4 years later, Harry is her boyfriend, and they become couple of the year.. uh huh.. so that's how it all worked out eh? And what happend between H/HR, oh, Jo didn't pay attention to them anymore.. it was more just.. 'blah' Hermione kept nagging him about the book, and attacked Ron with birds.. yup.. very great blink.gif

As I end this extremly long post, I would just like to add.. does anyone else agree with me about what I said above? Thanks,
-Dominique
Herminia
http://www.mugglenet.com/editorials/editor...-lenora01.shtml

You might want to check this out. We can always hope.

As I've said before, I was a Harmony Shipper but after HBP, I started pushing the SIbling Theory (why would Hermione go for Ron if Harry was an option?), but I'd still rather it turned out to be a Harry/Hermione romance. I guess I just want to think that a girl like me (Hermione) could get a guy like Harry. And Harry and Ginny's romance was lusty and underdeveloped, and Ron and Hermione just fight. *rolls eyes* Who taught JK Rowling about LOVE?
harry_loves_hermione
biggrin.gif I haven't visited this forum for sooo long (due to exams an reviews, or faery card readings) but now I'm back!

So, Harry and Ginny got together in the sixth book but they haven't said the THREE MOST IMPORTANT WORDS right? The 'I love you'. They haven't said that to each other. They just kissed. So there's really no reason of celebrating for harry/Ginny shippers. Harry/Ginny relationship can just be a so-called 'puppy love'.

We still got hope! There's a right ray of light amidst the clouds!(even though it's just a tiny hope, we must keep up with anyone). JKR might change her mind in writing the 7th book. Maybe she's planning for some love triangle. Well, I don't really know. I haven't been intact with other H/Hr shippers( unless my best friend, Ghiera, but she too, havven't ben intact with other shippers). Me and my bestie are both clueless(well, not really clueless, due to the fact that we're so busy reading school papers and stuff, attending dinner parties, planning for a foundation week with the rest of the student council, it's not easy to be the president, you know, attend dance parties, conferences(really?), girl talks at the mall, scheduled get-together night with friends, there's really no time, but we're still thinking, or perhaps daydreaming! of a Harry/Hermione ship. add praying the rosary with your family and some neighbors every night(it's finished anyway.).

I don't really know........... if I can see my faery, Nelys the Alchemyst or Tobaira of the waters or Penelope Dreamweaver or the Spirit Dancer, I would really wish JKR would change her mind.( I hanve't been intact with my faery, Nelys, too. She's rather busy visiting other worshippers of hers. There's too many of them but she chose me.) I know faeries and H/Hr seemed so far away. Totally NO CONNECTION, but if they visited me this week, in my dreams(duh!) I would really wish......... YOU KNOW WHAT I WILL WISH!)

bye bye..
HermioneGio
Eowyn Dominique, I feel the same way!! This week I do not feel very hopeful, but then I run into some good essay or theory and my hope suddenly raises again! biggrin.gif

Dominique, I agree with you, movie 6 is... a riddle, actually! I mean, it will be quite confusing for those who only watch the movies. But now that I am thinking about it, it is highly possible that Movie 6 will be in theatres after Book 7's release (according to JKR, is supposedly in 2007, the same year of Movie 5), and we'll already know *if*... (and I totally hope it will!!!) H/Hr actually get together in the end. I think that Book 7 will widely influence the making of Movie 6.
Dominique
Yeah.. I still don't like the sibling thing.. if H/HR doesn't happen, I'm going down with my ship biggrin.gif Not that I won't continue reading the books, because romance isn't the main point of the HP series.. I'll just be a little... upset

Many people say they will fall in love with the ship that happens. But for me, if R/HR happen ( dry.gif ) I am not going to fall for that ship, I am not going to convert to a R/HR shipper... I will always be a H/HR Shipper, no matter what happens!

Even if Harry marry's Ginny *gags* I will still concider him with Hermione tongue.gif Wow, I guess you could really say I'm delusional... I accept R/HR, I accept it... I just don't chose to like it wink.gif

-Dominique
Eowyn
QUOTE (Dominique @ Sep 19 2005, 04:14 PM)
does anyone else agree with me about what I said above? Thanks,
-Dominique

tongue.gif Dominique, I do - of course, like usually! wink.gif Actually, I felt like running over to the bookshelf and reading the OotP part you described - even though I am awfully busy at the moment, so I had to be a good girl and chained myself up to my desk biggrin.gif . The only treat I am allowing myself is to read the Vtm forums... (itīs more like I canīt help but doing it - highly addictive, the Vtm drug... Especially, since there is finally some traffic in the Harry and Hermione thread - I remembered how I lingered around here after reading HBP and it was really quiet .... So - go Harry and Hermione thread!!! laugh.gif)
lonelycastle
Even though I have little hope left in Harry and Hermione, I still think they're cute together and it seems like in the new Goblet movie there will be some romantic scenes between them. Well, not romantic, but emotional, like [MOD EDITED], right after the first task. Especially [MOD EDITED] right here, it's a bit blurred with funny faces, but I think it's really sweet and sad and cute.

MOD EDIT : If you're not a H/Hr shipper, then posting here for an excuse to provide yet another link to your own site is not acceptable I'm afraid.
Dominique
Aww Eowyn you agree with me? Thanks laugh.gif

Yes, I saw those pictures allready aswell... and if there is nothing between them.. then why are they so... you know.. Anyways, I was re-reading OotP and found some repetition on things.. and just some things I found really cute.

'Wait a moment,' said Hermione suddenly. 'Oh no ... Sirius!'
'What's happened?' said Harry, snatching at the paper so violently it ripped down the middle, with him and Hermione each holding one half.'

'What was it like?' Harry and Hermione asked together.'

'If she'd caught Snuffles -'
Harry finished the sentence for her.
'- He'd probably be back in Azkaban this morning.'

'The way some people can see them and some can't! I wish I could.'
'Do you?' Harry asked her quietly.
She looked suddenly horrorstruck.
'Oh, Harry -I'm sorry- no, of course I don't- that was a really stupid thing to say.'
'It's OK,' he said quickly, 'don't worry.'

'Did you kiss?' asked Hermione briskly.
[..text..]
Harry looked from Ron's expression on mingled curiosity and hilarity to Hermione's slight frown, and nodded.'

'Well, I suppose it could have been worse,' she said. 'Are you going to see her again?'
'I'll have to, won't I?' (not want to) 'We've got DA meetings haven't we?'
'You know what I mean,' said Hermione impatiently.
[..text..]
'Oh well,' said Hermione distantly, burried in her letter once more, 'you'll have plenty of opportunities to ask her.'

'It came as a slight shock when somebody hammered hard on the door a few minutes later.
"I know you're in there," said Hermione's voice. "Will you please come out? I want to talk to you."
"What are you doing here?" Harry asked her, pulling open the door as Buckbeak resumed his scratching at the straw-strewn floor for any fragments of rat he may have dropped. "I thought you were skiing with your mum and dad?"
"Well, to tell the truth, skiing's not really my thing," said Hermione. "So, I've come here for Christmas." There was snow in her hair and her face was pink with cold.'

"That was a really horrible trick of Hermione Granger's," said Cho fiercely. "She should have told us she'd jinxed that list -"
"I think it was a brilliant idea," said Harry coldly. Cho flushed and her eyes grew brighter.
"Oh yes, I forgot - of course, if it was darling Hermione's idea -"

"HERMIONE!"
Harry fell to his knees beside her as Neville crawled rapidly towards her from under the desk, his wand held up in front of him.
[..text..]
A whine of panic inside his head was preventing him thinking properly: he had one hand on Hermione's shoulder, which was still warm, yet did not dare look at her properly. Don't let her be dead, don't let her be dead, it's my fault if she's dead...
[..text..]
"Hermione," Harry said at once, shaking her as the baby-headed Death Eater blundered out of sight again. "Hermione, wake up,"
[..text..]
"Dat's a pulse, Harry, I'b sure id is."
Such a powerful wave of relief swept through Harry that for a moment he felt light-headed.

It's moment's like these that have to be treasured biggrin.gif May H/HR live on forever.. in our hearts.. <3
-Dominique








Nymphe
Very first post, so forgive me if I screw up protocol.

Don't give up hope H/Hr shippers! Anything is possible as we have seen with all of the twists JKR places in her books. For the record, I completely agree with wellwisher of harry and those excellent posts.

From reading the first book, I thought there would be a love triangle between the three main characters from the getgo, but none of them would recognize it until they were much, much older. Now, I believe all three will have a serious emotional discussion in which all the cards will be laid on the table. Ron may be the one to finally get Harry in examine his friend's feelings towards their best girl friend in some roundabout fashion, since Ron seems to represent the emotional part of the trio. Someone needs to knock Harry in the head so he can realize all Hermione has done for him and at least thank her properly!

I have been floating around the 'net looking at various POVs after learning about that silly post-HBP interview on Mugglenet (I wish I could find it on audio) and I am now firmly H/Hr even if JKR does not write it. Why? From the books only...if an author has to tell us what we should think about parts of her books, then either she is misdirecting us or she did not do a very good job writing it. Until Book 7 comes out, I won't know which one is correct.

I believe Harry had to learn the difference between lust and love, and this book displayed it. H/G is finished...Ginny was nothing more than a hyped up plot device, a distraction. I believe Hermione's behavior was a result of fear, fear of her feelings towards her best friend and his fate. Perhaps both of them just wanted to do the easy thing for a while since things were intense at the end of fifth year.

When Ron told her that he loved her, it was in the context of their schoolwork, a simple friendly thing (for a change) between them. For some reason, I don't see their bickering as UST because it lacks some level of respect. I would be inclined to believe R/Hr could work if the arguing changed to something more like mild teasing. Even Han and Leia's sniping from Star Wars had some level of respect.

After six books, I don't think the wizarding world is really worth dying for IMO and I hope Harry has some internal struggle about it. My hope would be if Hermione reassures him and becomes the one to finally tell him for the first time "I love you" no matter the context of the relationship. Now that will have me squee'ing for the first time in my life! biggrin.gif
Dominique
Hey Nymphe, glad your on our side wink.gif
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I believe Harry had to learn the difference between lust and love, and this book displayed it. H/G is finished...Ginny was nothing more than a hyped up plot device, a distraction.


I couldn't agree more! Wow, well said biggrin.gif I hope you come back often...
And I am very sorry about the large space in my last post, I was typing what I wanted to say on 'Word' and copied and pasted it and didn't relise the space untill I posted my message..
Once again, sorry
-Dominique
joejoe
i dont have my ootp book could someone tell me the exact quotes of the harry mad at christman-hermione comes scene? there should be mroe than what dominique posted.
cul8a
I think Hermione loves Ron as a friend while she's got the intense feeling for Harry..happy.gif

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joejoe
cant see image.

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cul8a
lol sorry about that laugh.gif no picture

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Dominique
Guy's, guy's, slow down.. please don't post such short posts, it ruin's the purpose of the Thread, and makes them go faster.. there is a chat for that smile.gif But seeing that I'm not a Mod, I won't tell you what to do.. Just letting you guy's know so you won't get nagged wink.gif

Thanks,
-Dominique
cul8a
I think in the 6th book HBP,..it does shows that Harry seems to chasing Hermione more than..Ginny..(it's good that he broke up with her at the end_)

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I'm really sorry about,,that..ok?
anyway..so..why do you guys think that Harry&Hermione be a good
couple?
I think the books is clear that Hermione got this intense feeling towards harry..(I dunno but it does shows that)
ashleigh07
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Now please, back on topic folks. And the thread was just starting to get really interesting too!! happy.gif
Dominique
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why do you guys think that Harry&Hermione be a good
couple?


Ahh well... that I will never know for sure biggrin.gif But for me really, it's simple, they understand eachother, they read eahcother, they finish eachother's sentences, they look out for one another, it just.. clicks for me you know? You can obviously judge this behavior as friend like I guess, but that's not how I see it rolleyes.gif

Ok, so maybe H/HR won't get together, I've got to face it right? I mean, come on, there's really ntohing we can do... but you know what I've noticed in most shipping wars.. is that it's two sided.. It's either R/HR or H/HR in the end.. Hermione has got to end up with one of them or else. Anyone else notice that? People are like.. oh, Ron and Harry are going to fight over Hermione, blah blah blah.. but that's just so unrealistic.. I mean, ok, if Harry and Ron both turn out to like her, I can see Ron turing on Harry, Hermione in tears, and Harry turing on Ron.. it would ruin their friendship! And come on people, this is the last book I certainly want all three of them to live through it rather than fight...

Actually, I really can't see anyone getting together with anyone while Harry, Ron and Hermione are on the trip to destroy the Horcux's... what, R/HR are going to sneak off behind Harry's back? They wouldn't do that.. would they? And besides, Hermione isn't that kind of person.. her main priority is Harry, and always be Harry.. She has shown that commitment through out many books.. she will stick by him, believe him, comfort him, she is his number one.. And I just don't think Ron could ever take Harry's place.. Even maybe if she has feelings for Ron, she will always have stronger feelings for Harry, even if they are not romantic.

In conclusion, I love H/HR's relationship, and I hope it blosom's in the last book, because in HBP I was sort of dissapointed blink.gif
-Dominique
IshipHarryHermione
Hi!

I'm new. I registered a few days ago. I've been a Harry/Hermione shipper for almost four years. I'm a huge Harry/Hermione shipper and I'll always support that pairing even if they don't end up together...


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I like the Harry/Hermione pairing so much that I haven't even read book 6 because I know that Harry and Ginny got together in that book and also because there are a lot of Ron/Hermione hints (I know it because I've read a lot of spoilers...).
Eowyn
Aaaaah, Dominique, thank you so much for quoting all those great HarryHermione moments... biggrin.gif

QUOTE ( Dominique)

'Did you kiss?' asked Hermione briskly.
[..text..]
Harry looked from Ron's expression on mingled curiosity and hilarity to Hermione's slight frown, and nodded.'

If you read this - you wonder, how could it not be Harryhermione? What else could Hermione frown about? Because it was in her mind too early to kiss? After Cedricīs death, I mean.

QUOTE ( Dominique)

'Well, I suppose it could have been worse,' she said. 'Are you going to see her again?'
'I'll have to, won't I?' (not want to) 'We've got DA meetings haven't we?'
'You know what I mean,' said Hermione impatiently.[..text..]'Oh well,' said Hermione distantly, burried in her letter once more, 'you'll have plenty of opportunities to ask her.'


And again, I asked myself (and actually JKR as well): How could it not be HarryHermione, after reading this? Could this be an "anvil-clue" for RonHermione (naughty face....)? Well, of course, hermione could be distant because she is reading the letter. Itīs really unfair to plant so different clues - but, well, thatīs one of the things why we like Harry Potter books so much, donīt we? On the other hand, after HBP, I was thinking the same as Dana Scully so often is writing in these forums - maybe there is nothing deeper to all her writing, we just gave JKR too much credit and searched for a deeper meaning where none was. Itīs really strange, on the one hand she encouraged deeper searching and continually hinted it, on the other hand, it was laughed at it and called delusional.... Ok, I stop hear now, sorry, I got carried a bit away... Itīs just hard to digest if an idol laughs about you...

QUOTE ( Dominique)

"HERMIONE!"
Harry fell to his knees beside her as Neville crawled rapidly towards her from under the desk, his wand held up in front of him.
[..text..] A whine of panic inside his head was preventing him thinking properly: he had one hand on Hermione's shoulder, which was still warm, yet did not dare look at her properly. Don't let her be dead, don't let her be dead, it's my fault if she's dead... [..text..]"Hermione," Harry said at once, shaking her as the baby-headed Death Eater blundered out of sight again. "Hermione, wake up,"[..text..]"Dat's a pulse, Harry, I'b sure id is."Such a powerful wave of relief swept through Harry that for a moment he felt light-headed.

Where had Harry such feelings and concerns in both fighting scenes (Ministry of Magic and Hogwarts in HBP) for Ginny? Yes, she wasnīt unconscoius, but if we would take it as a fact that he has feelings for Ginny and not for Hermione - compared to his behaviour when friend Hermione was unconscoius - shpuldnīt he constantly worrying over beloved Ginny?

QUOTE ( Dominique)

'It came as a slight shock when somebody hammered hard on the door a few minutes later. "I know you're in there," said Hermione's voice. "Will you please come out? I want to talk to you."
"What are you doing here?" Harry asked her, pulling open the door as Buckbeak resumed his scratching at the straw-strewn floor for any fragments of rat he may have dropped. "I thought you were skiing with your mum and dad?"
"Well, to tell the truth, skiing's not really my thing," said Hermione. "So, I've come here for Christmas." There was snow in her hair and her face was pink with cold.'

sigh....... I mean - couldnīt it be any more obvious? Of course, I would do quite a lot for my best friend and I would also try to be there for them - but coming in such a hurry - well, I would do this for my husband......

QUOTE ( Nymphe)

From reading the first book, I thought there would be a love triangle between the three main characters from the getgo, but none of them would recognize it until they were much, much older. Now, I believe all three will have a serious emotional discussion in which all the cards will be laid on the table. Ron may be the one to finally get Harry in examine his friend's feelings towards their best girl friend in some roundabout fashion, since Ron seems to represent the emotional part of the trio. Someone needs to knock Harry in the head so he can realize all Hermione has done for him and at least thank her properly!

Yay, another person who thought about a love triangle! You know, I felt so ridiculous about those ideas..... Maybe itīs just desperate attempt to find an explanation for a very weak writing (to make sense out of all those HarryHermione moments over the books) and to rescue my opinion about an idol (hence JKR. I just admired her for her incradible writing skills for so long...). It would be the only explanation for me if Ron and Hermione end up together.

QUOTE ( Nymphe)

I believe Harry had to learn the difference between lust and love, and this book displayed it. H/G is finished...Ginny was nothing more than a hyped up plot device, a distraction.

So you think, Cho and Harry were sort of displaying a "puppylove" and Ginny and Harry a more lust oriented love? That would explain why there are hardly any "relationship scenes" between them in HBP (for me thats one of the biggest problems with the HarryGinny thing..... ) So this would mean that there is still the real love to come, wouldnīt it?
If we look at JKRs lovelife (not that we know a lot about it...), than we see that she had a failed marriage with a Portuguese - I think we can count him for the hot natured/ tempered lover... So maybe their relationship fits the lust oriented love, I guess. Then (many years later) she married her husband Neil - from all I know about him a more down-to-earth person, a hands-on guy, a person who wasnīt very impressed with her fame and more with herself as a person. So- this counts for a more real love, wouldnīt it (I donīt go into the explaining now what I mean with real love, I think we all have different ideas about it but agree that it is similar to Harrys and Hermiones relationship)
With the puppylove thing - of course itīs impossible to know what first crush JKR had, but isnīt it interestingthat the one male companion we know before the hot Portuguese is Sean - about whom I found the following JKR quote:

QUOTE

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I'd like to know if any of your characters of the "Harry Potter" series are like any real-life characters you've ever met. 
ROWLING: Right. Yes, a few people were inspired by living people. I have to be careful what I say here because some of my characters aren't too pleasant, but Hermione, who is one of Harry's best friends, she was most consciously based on a real person, and that person was me. She's a caricature of me when I was younger. Ron, who is Harry's other best friend, he's a lot like my oldest friend, who is a man called Sean. I was at school with him and the second book is dedicated to Sean.
King, Larry. "J.K. Rowling Discusses the Surprising Success of 'Harry Potter'," Larry King Live (CNN), 20 October 2000^


Mmmmmhhh, very interesting, isnīt it? (I quoted this at the forums before, if it was already here I apologize for it... But nobody said something to it so maybe itīs too farfetched...)

QUOTE ( Nymphe)

I believe Hermione's behavior was a result of fear, fear of her feelings towards her best friend and his fate.

Nymphe, could you explain this a bit more?

QUOTE ( Nymphe)

Actually, I really can't see anyone getting together with anyone while Harry, Ron and Hermione are on the trip to destroy the Horcux's...

Yes, you are right, I think there will be so much going on with the Horcux's quest... But (to quote JKR again) - whatīs life without a little romance...... And I hope, in the end it is avilsize-clear whith whom Hermione ends up - either way, just to have closure! wub.gif
Nymphe
I think the thing with Cho was puppy love, or simply recognizing he is attracted to a girl for the first time in his life. Of course, being attracted to a lovely, popular girl like Cho is natural for boys, but her mixed up emotions about Cedric's death and Harry's involement during the tragedy (not to mention Marietta's situation) killed it. Unfortunately, Harry had not learned his lesson, so we now have idealistic Ginny causing lustful feelings, the lack of serious buildup between them, and the lame ending of that fling. That whole thing was just plain odd and I hope JKR did that on purpose! I think the comparisons of Ginny/Lily is purely on the physical level because Lily and Ginny truely do not behave the same. One could argue that Hermione behaves more like Lily did.

There is another theory floating around about both Harry and Lily being Empaths, meaning they either pick up on others' emotions and believe they are their own (i.e. Ginny), or avoid them (i.e. Cho), but I think that is for another forum.

As far as Hermione's behavior in HBP, I think she was scared and shocked by the reality of the situation at the end of OotP and hearing the prophecy in HBP. She tends to be a logical, yet sometimes ruthless, person who believes in fighting for the underdog. Her flaw would be trying to mantain control at all times and avoid trouble in the process (her dealings with the boys and them dragging her along just scream this to me). Emotions are secondary and can be a distraction from what is important in her mind, but the reality of almost dying and the reason her best friend will always be in mortal peril overwhelmed her...like PTSD. She never really learned how to balance her emotions and her logic properly. That could explain why she has never truely ripped into both Harry and Ron for their poor showing of consideration for what she has done for them.

The PTSD could make her feel that she needed to get her life in order and choose the easy path as far as love relationships go--Ron. The easy path included avoiding trouble (ignoring Harry's idea about Draco) and doing the things normal girls do to attract/annoy boys, like jealousy thing. Logic would say Hermione should follow the advice she gave to Ginny, but emotions really don't care since they can operate at the moment. I just hope Hermione is over this phase in her life and gets herself in balance so she can truely analyze her feelings for both boys during their quest.

I think I am rambling, so I hope I am make sense! blink.gif
Westerly
Hey Nymphe - you're not rambling in the least and are putting up some interesting ideas. I fully agree with you (and have argued in the past) that Ginny may resemble Lily physically - but characterwise she is a great deal like James. I think that in many respects, Lily has been gradually written out of the book, as James (and Harry's admiration of him and desire to emulate him) takes greater and greater precedence.

While I'd shy away from stating that Hermione had PTSD - because I hesitate to medicalise her behaviour even if it was extremely "out there" - I do think that there is something to be said for the fact that with the exception of Neville and Luna (both of whom are simply marginalised from the text), all of the major 'players' (Harry, Hermione and to a lesser extent Weasley the elder and Jnr. Weasley) behaved somewhat - oddly.

I think it was Krisharose who pointed out on the Harry/Ginny venom thread that the H/G pairing was rather escapist and seemed detached from any context whatsoever. It had nothing to do with an impending war, with danger, Voldemort, or any kind of reality that was pertinent to the Potterverse. It was characterised by a mundane and almost 'extreme' averageness, (high school mooning, jealousy, popularity, PDAs, tatoos and lust) that sat starkly at odds with their actual environment or what we knew of their characters in previous installments.

It really felt like one of those 'alternate universe' fanfictions that are predicated on premises such as "What would Harry's life have been like if he were just an ordinary boy/if his parent's hadn't been killed by Voldemort/if he wasn't the 'chosen one' laden with responsibility? What if all of his dreams came true and for once, he could have a smooth, idealised high-school experience?" If anyone had ever wondered what Harry would be like if he was a big-shot at Hogwarts, Captain of the Quidditch team, dating a pretty, popular sporty girl, and wise-cracking at his most hated nemesis etc. - then let's just say that HBP has provided a tonne of insight into those queries. It was as if JK had ticked off a list of wish-fulfilment, resulting in a weird, dream-like process of 'unwriting' what had been written.

I think that we can safely apply the very same musings to Hermione, where we were presented with 'alternate-reality Hermione'. "What if Hermione suddenly wasn't a brilliant, sensible, self-assured bookworm after all, but was just an average, boy-crazy undistinguished teenage girl? What if she had no interests or ambition in life beyond snagging - or snogging - a guy?" I do think that JK set up this very scenario in HBP.

It went horribly awry however, when both Harry and Hermione's repsective scenarios morphed into an OTT caricature of supposedly average 'teen' behaviour. Ultimately, there was nothing average or typical about the kind of (degrading) extremes that Hermione underwent, or the corny Mills and Boon Harlequinesque behaviour of Harry and his monster. rolleyes.gif

It was sad in a way, because a large part of why we H/Hr shippers like the H/Hr dynamic is because we also like the individual characters in their own right for specific reasons. We liked Harry as a person because he wasn't the coolest, handsomest, most popular boy in school with a gaggle of giggling girls dying to date him, and he also displayed a degree of sensitivity, struggle and insight that distinguished him from the averageness of the Ron's, Seamus' Deans and their dilemmas etc.

And we liked and respected Hermione because while she had a degree of average 'femininity' (knowing whom is dating whom, having insight into emotions and caring about her appearance to some extent) - she didn't allow that aspect of herself to dictate and engulf her entire personality (until HBP). She wasn't completely disinterested in boys (think Krum), but at the same time she had a real (intellectual) life beyond that, and had dimensions to her that went beyond merely dating.

And it was a pleasure to see two well-rounded, yet flawed characters interact, and have a relationship that seemed realistic to many of us. It wasn't all smooth sailing, and blandness. Contrary to what some would have us believe H/Hr has conflict, disagreement, argument, tension and drama aplenty. The beauty of it however, was in the way that they overcame or constructively worked these things out on the occasions that they did occur. Yes, they were well aware of each others weaknesses and flaws and clearly knew and understood each other, and demonstrated a degree of caring. It takes real time, and real interest and effort to get to know and understand someone extremely well. As a reader, that really mattered to me. Yet, knowing each other as well as they did, they had every opportunity in the world to lash out and go for the jugular - yet they didn't because they actually cared about one another and didn't actively seek to cause the other one pain, or to humiliate one another. (They have that 'respect' factor, that Nymphe alluded to earlier.)

The potential of H/Hr to go further was dismantled in precisely the way that I had always dreaded that it would be. (i.e. that JK would fundamentally change who they were in order to make them suitable for other arrangements.) So Harry had to suddenly metamorphosise into being super-cool, callous and top-dog, while Hermione on the other hand had to be dumbed out, deranged and turned into a parody of averageness in order to stamp out any flicker of H/Hr and to make the respective pairings that did eventuate even possible.

I think that this is the thing that some people find difficult to understand about fans continuing to like and support the H/Hr dynamic. It's not as though we like them together simply for the sake of it or out of some long-standing idea that we unimaginatively refuse to relinquish. If H/Hr treated each other badly, or lacked any kind depthful connection then there is nothing on earth that could induce me to either like or support them as a pairing.

The other thing that matters to me is that I like Harry and Hermione independent of the other. They have two distinct personalities, each being as strong as the other. I'd like (pre-HBP) Harry with or without Hermione, and I like who (pre-HBP) Hermione is in her own right.

And that's what makes H/Hr work for me. On their own - they're pretty good, but when brought together they became a force to be reckoned with. H/Hr brought out the very best in each other (as opposed to the very worst). And yes - that actually makes for enjoyable reading.

I can honestly say that I like who Harry is as an indivdual - yet, I like who he becomes when he is with Hermione. I like Hermione as a stand-alone character - but I also appreciate who she becomes when she's with Harry.
Dominique
QUOTE (Eowyn @ Sep 22 2005, 08:57 PM)
QUOTE ( Nymphe)

Actually, I really can't see anyone getting together with anyone while Harry, Ron and Hermione are on the trip to destroy the Horcux's...


Hey that was me saying that! tongue.gif lol don't worry, it's ok!

But wow, has this thread ever gotten active.. yay! So many well thought out posts that are just a joy to read, thank's alot guys! Your're the best!

Staying on topic... Westerly, bravo, great post! I totally agree with you, when Harry is by himself, he is just Harry- glasses and bad at potions, when Hermione is by herself, she is just Hermione- bookworm, nagging person... but when H/HR get together all things change.. they become they're truselves.. they become better people.. and they bring out the best in eachother.. that is why I love H/HR so much wub.gif

-Dominique
Nymphe
QUOTE (Westerly @ Sep 23 2005, 01:30 AM)
And that's what makes H/Hr work for me. On their own - they're pretty good, but when brought together they became a force to be reckoned with. H/Hr brought out the very best in each other (as opposed to the very worst). And yes - that actually makes for enjoyable reading.

I can honestly say that I like who Harry is as an indivdual - yet, I like who he becomes when he is with Hermione. I like Hermione as a stand-alone character - but I also appreciate who she becomes when she's with Harry.

Exactly! The H/Hr dynamic, I think, is a good role model for older children (not to mention adults) to see. Yes, two nice, but flawed, kids can have a decent, but not boring, relationship even through the disagreements. I still have hope JKR was distracting us with all the weirdness in HBP to remind us that they are still just teens trying to figure out how to run their lives and to concentrate the love triangle possibility between the Trio, which I would find much more interesting than the HBP pairing off.

My ideal senario for a love triangle in the next book would be mostly behind the scenes to inhance the main plot, instead of distracting from it. I would hope Ron would be the one to bring the two together, sacrificing his own feelings to do the best thing for his friends, demonstrating his growth as a character. Now that would make me squee like a fan girl for sure!
joejoe
jkr has repeated said that ron is hermiones choice,a dn that h/r are very platonic. despite that, we still see many h/hr clues. it doesnt make sense, and the closest thing would be the sibling theory....
Nymphe
QUOTE (joejoe @ Sep 23 2005, 04:33 PM)
jkr has repeated said that ron is hermiones choice,a dn that h/r are very platonic. despite that, we still see many h/hr clues. it doesnt make sense, and the closest thing would be the sibling theory....

R/Hr behave more like siblings than H/Hr by far. H/Hr do a more apologizing, connecting and touching than I have ever seen most teens do. One could argue that Harry and Hermione never had siblings to know how that dynamic works, but the way H/Hr is written, it gives the impression that something more could develop. If JKR did not want people to latch on to any hopes of H/Hr, she should have toned down the H/Hr interaction to the level Harry and Ron are on...kind of like when Nancy Drew would sometimes join forces with the Hardy Boys.
Dominique
QUOTE
If JKR did not want people to latch on to any hopes of H/Hr, she should have toned down the H/Hr interaction to the level Harry and Ron are on...

Oh, how very true.. and I absolutly hate it! mad.gif Jo is probably leading us on to something that is not going to happen! Just like in the movies aswell.. I can't stand it! I only have one question- Why? Is there something more to this? I wish there was.. *crosses fingers*

And with the movies... why so much H/HR? Is there a reason? I sure hope so wink.gif
-Dominique
Eowyn
QUOTE (Dominique @ Sep 23 2005, 06:07 PM)
QUOTE
If JKR did not want people to latch on to any hopes of H/Hr, she should have toned down the H/Hr interaction to the level Harry and Ron are on...

Oh, how very true.. and I absolutly hate it! mad.gif Jo is probably leading us on to something that is not going to happen!

Dominique and Nymphe, I couldnīt agree more with you! Thatīs so unfair! Especially.when you consider that they had such a laugh about us HarryHermione shippers.....
QUOTE
ES: We thought it was clearer than ever that Harry and Ginny are an item and Ron and Hermione — although we think you made it painfully obvious in the first five books —

JKR: [points to herself and whispers] So do I!


If she made it sooooo clear in the first 5 books, why is it then that there all all those (nicely quotet from Dominique) wonderful and definitely "deeper feelings are in the air"- moments? I wouldnīt have been a problem for her to bring it down a bit and to slightly alter their behaviour towards eachother.... And as much as I hope everything must happen for a deeper reason (love triangle) and canīt help to worry that JKR just isnīt that brilliant as we all thought she would be...



joejoe
Yeah i agree. What i'mtrying to say is that only the sibling theory would come even close if they werent an item.
lonelycastle
Despite Half Blood Prince, I can't help but believe it's possible when you see pictures like [MOD EDITED] of Harry and Hermione terribly cuddly and intimate after the First Task.

MOD EDIT : Please stop promoting your own site, lonelycastle. That picture can be found on the VTM galleries under the 2006 calender section.
joejoe
so the pic is of her...

MOD EDIT : Hiya and welcome to the forums! smile.gif Could you please take a few moments to read through the rules? Short posts and one liners are not allowed on the forums I'm afraid.
Dominique
Oh my goodness.. I just saw the picture.. Wow is all I can say... biggrin.gif

But seriously, what are the directors thinking shooting pictures like that? What about all the 'delsional' H/HR talk? What about J.K Rowling saying that they are 'platonic'? I hope I'm not the only one that doesn't find this picture very friendly.. It looks like there alot more then friends here.. but that just could be my delsional mind taking again tongue.gif

A soaked H/HR? Let's all say it together.. awww wub.gif
-Dominique
Runes
lonelycastle, I absolutely love that picture! I'm so glad the movie makers decided to put that in, it really shows that bond between Harry and Hermione that exists in the books.
I just can't seem to get the idea that Jk is misleading us out of my mind. She's done it before so who says she can't again? All the H/Hr moments, interactions, touches, and instances of loyalty that sooo many of us have found are intentional, we were meant to notice them. I don't think we could have misunderstood everything, so we have, and have always had, something to hope for.
I have always thought that Harry and Hermione would come about in the seventh book, sort of saving the best for last as it were. We still have to follow Harry to his destiny, we still have to see him live up to his full potential, and we still have to see him find true love. Of course Harry finding true love may or may not be essential to the story, but we have seen him go through the crush phase (Cho) and the lust phase (Ginny), so it stands to reason that we'll see him find something much deeper, a more powerful emotion.
Oh wait......he already has that with Hermione, and they aren't even a couple....yet!
Louise
Just a short note - I think a refresher of the rules might be in order here. wink.gif I'm seeing signature violations, advertising and a whole host of other things that shouldn't be going on.

Come on, guys. Please. The link is in my signature. wink.gif

Thanks.
cul8a
who "does HERMIONE love?" dry.gif

1) Hermione fancies/romantically loves/prefers Ron over Harry
2) Harry and Hermione's relationship is only a deep, non-romantic, platonic friendship.

1) This is Harry's story.
It's a simple fact but an important one when you consider the romantic options in the books. This is Harry's story; it is about his journey from child to man, from family lost to (probably) family found. Harry looked in the Mirror of Erised and his heart told him he was seeking his family. He can either find it by dying and joining the family he has come from or (more likely) by finding love and starting his own family.

Should Harry be paired with Ginny, the main romance of the series would STILL, in effect, be Ron/Hermione. It would have to be because it would involve two members of the trio - the key unit of the books. If you don't believe me, think about how it would work on screen in the HP films. We would have spent at least five or six films watching Hermione as the undoubted female lead, and five or six films feeling emotionally attached to the trio characters. The only film we know of where Ginny will have a role of any significance will be OoTP, and even then she will be well and truly overshadowed by Hermione. Now really - after all this time spent with the trio characters, would people realistically care more for the pairing of Harry/Ginny than they would for Ron/Hermione? They wouldn't, and that's important because the obvious question arising from that is: why would JKR want a romance involving her hero and main character overshadowed by a romance involving his friends?

If we take the view that Harry's romance is the main one and consider the romantic options for Harry that would make the most structural sense in the series and have the most emotional impact, the logical girl for Harry is Hermione.

>> Other things to consider:
a) Hermione tries to get Harry to spend time alone with her making elf hats.
cool.gif Hermione gives up a skiing holiday with her parents at Christmas in OoTP to come to Harry's aid.
c) Hermione grabs hold of Harry for physical and emotional support, including when the fat lady is slashed in PoA and in the DoM... when Ron is THERE both times.
d) She goes with Harry to find out what Hagrid wants instead of watching Ron play in the Quidditch final, when Harry could easily have gone on his own. Neither of them even considers that possibility.
e) Hermione is shown to have given thought to and discussed Cho's problems and love life, Ginny's love life and Harry's love life. She writes a long letter to Viktor. She is also forthright in many of her opinions to Ron and Harry. The idea that she somehow has romantic feelings for Ron and yet is too nervous and shy to broach the subject with him, or is unaware if he is interested in her or not and so doesn't broach the subject with him, simply doesn't equate with the Hermione of OoTP. (Hermione is generally confident and shows leadership in OoTP). She knows, on the other hand, that Harry has a crush on Cho, and that he has to get over that before anything else can happen.
f) Hermione tries to behave as a good friend would to Harry over Cho, but she is clearly bothered when she finds out Harry has kissed Cho.
- she keeps very close tabs on their relationship
- she finds out the gossip on Cho
- she keeps bringing the subject up with Harry to find out how he's getting on and how he's feeling
- she asks Harry to meet her on Valentine's Day even though Harry's having his first date with Cho
- she only gives Harry advice after he's had trouble with Cho

All ''fits''!
Louise
cul8a, I'm afraid I'm going to have to ask you to reduce the size of your signature, please. wink.gif The maximum allowed on the forums is 400x150 pixels - more help on that can be found in the rules page.
Dominique
Yes cul8a, I see all that, if I didn't I would't be here biggrin.gif But anyways, I like your signature picture... Harry looks so sweetly at Hermione there..

But anyways, I re-reading OotP, and that's why I put some quotes I found in there in my post before somewhere on the last page or soemthing.. I absolutly love what this book did to H/HR relationship, whether it be romantic or platonic, I love it.. I just hope that the 5th movie is released before the last book, allowing the great and proper H/HR scences to be shot, not cutting them off if Hermione ends up being with someone else in the last book..

I just don't want the last book effecting the 5th movie, which I can't wait for..
-Dominique
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