Full Version: Harry/Hermione
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| Just for those couple seconds of Hermione and Harry together, I would give anything. |
Same!
Well, maybe not anything... But after all the H/Hr moments they showed in commercial/trialers/pictures, they at least owe it to us to show us that one moment. Hermione doesn't not always go for support to Ron. I think it's very key to see that. She also many times 'clings' to Harry in time of need. She cried on Ron's shoulder in PoA, and in one perticular picture it showed her doing it on Harry in GoF. My opinion: Love triangle...Now I am actually very curious to see how they are going to play out the 'kiss on the cheek' scene with Ron and Harry in OotP. Really, if Harry didn't get a kiss on the cheek at then end of GoF, will Ron get one in OotP? It will not be fair if one kiss is include and another one isn't! They both happend in the books, and should therefore, both be shown. But as we all know (spoilers..) it doesn't show Hermione kissing Harry on the cheek in GoF. So my best bet would be that Hermione will kiss both boy's on the cheek in OotP movie, promoting again: Love Triangle..
Seems pretty clear where they are going with this whole thing. I'm glad they are not focusing on only one ship in the movies. Trying to make in euqal..
-Dominique
| QUOTE (Nymphe @ Nov 24 2005, 11:06 AM) |
| Someone gave me a link to a whole collection of essays from Harmonians over the years: The Phoenix Files. Now, I am a bit sad I came into the fandom so late. I would have loved to have written one of those. My internet time is limited, so if I do go to shipping threads contrary to my preference, I just skip ahead to the posts with interesting information. I have had someone in another forum ask me about my signature. I explained that unless you can give me proof from HBP, then my signature is accurate. |
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Thank you Nymphe. The essays are simply great.
Dominique,
If you have any doubt about H/Hr ship, please read those essays without fail.
[COLOR=purple]You know what,i used to daydream always about this ship,you know kind of like fantasizing about their first date and all....but i fimally come to accept that Hermy will end up with Ron..sigh 
Anyway,look on the brightside!Maybe JKR will have more characters who may hook-up in Book 7!
Anyway,look on the brightside!Maybe JKR will have more characters who may hook-up in Book 7!
Hey thanks Lupin, I'll make sure to skim those over
Another reason why I think I particulary like H/Hr as a couple is because that they get along well most of the time and find that if they have a conflict, they can resolve it. Being compatible doesn't necessarily mean being able to read each other's minds (all though H/Hr do finish eachother's sentences or sometimes say things at the same time), but it does mean being on the same wavelength most of the time. It appears that Harry and Hermione see eye-to-eye on important issues, which is a very good and important sign.
That's all for now.. Untill next time!
-Dominique
Another reason why I think I particulary like H/Hr as a couple is because that they get along well most of the time and find that if they have a conflict, they can resolve it. Being compatible doesn't necessarily mean being able to read each other's minds (all though H/Hr do finish eachother's sentences or sometimes say things at the same time
), but it does mean being on the same wavelength most of the time. It appears that Harry and Hermione see eye-to-eye on important issues, which is a very good and important sign. That's all for now.. Untill next time!
-Dominique
| QUOTE (Dominique @ Dec 13 2005, 04:10 PM) |
| Hey thanks Lupin, I'll make sure to skim those over Another reason why I think I particulary like H/Hr as a couple is because that they get along well most of the time and find that if they have a conflict, they can resolve it. Being compatible doesn't necessarily mean being able to read each other's minds (all though H/Hr do finish eachother's sentences or sometimes say things at the same time ), but it does mean being on the same wavelength most of the time. It appears that Harry and Hermione see eye-to-eye on important issues, which is a very good and important sign. That's all for now.. Untill next time! -Dominique |
Ditto here, Dominique. I like the lesser side fighting plays in their roles and how they can compromise. It makes the story more enjoyable and interesting to read. Just my two bits.
| QUOTE (Lupin123 @ Dec 13 2005, 12:13 AM) |
| [QUOTE] Thank you Nymphe. The essays are simply great. Dominique, If you have any doubt about H/Hr ship, please read those essays without fail. |
Hi all H/Hr shippers, i'm new here.
I've also read those essays and i think they are extremely well written. To all those who doubt H/Hr-read them, and be converted. They are that well written.
I agree with Dominique, what i like about H/Hr is that both understand agree with each other most of the time and of course their "ability" to communicate wordlessly.
And veering slightly off topic, Dominique, your poem was excellent.
| QUOTE (Dumbledore's Widow @ Dec 5 2005, 02:31 PM) | ||
It's been ages since I read the infamous interview too, but I believe she said something along the line of that it was R/Hr now. I question why she had to add the word 'now'. Is it or isn't R/Hr, now, before, later, whatever!? But, I tend to believe that it can still be H/Hr. IMO, JKR has never really 'sunk our ship'. This is why so many of us H/Hr shippers still have faith in it being H/Hr in the end. JKR has always written Hermione as being quite concerned about Harry. Hermione is always 'looking out for him' too. She has always been that voice of reason for Harry. Some say she is too maternal. Others seem to think that she is behaving like a sister towards Harry. I say she is behaving like a young woman who's in love, or falling in love.  |
Hello everyone!
I was wondering if anybody could provide me with a link to the JKR interview that Dumbledore's Widow mentioned above. If JKR chose her words carefully, she may have created a huge loophole (well, maybe not that huge, but enough to open many more possibilities) for herself
! Also, on her website, JKR said that she enjoys these online arguements, so is she really going to end it with a comment about anvil-sized hints? I think that there is something more to the interview, and quite possibly, a loophole! Earendil_Mithrandir
Earendil Mithrandir
That interview is available in Mugglenet.com in the very front page.
Mugglenet/TLC interview with J.K.Rowling.
That interview is available in Mugglenet.com in the very front page.
Mugglenet/TLC interview with J.K.Rowling.
i am so toally for harry/hermione hence my name.... i've always thought they go well together.... Ron and hermione just totally dont go....
Hey, thanks Lupin123!
| QUOTE (Mugglenet/TLC interview with J.K.Rowling) |
| ES: We thought it was clearer than ever that Harry and Ginny are an item and Ron and Hermione — although we think you made it painfully obvious in the first five books — JKR: [points to herself and whispers] So do I! ES: What was that? JKR: [More loudly] Well so do I! So do I! [All laugh; Melissa doubles over, hysterical, and may have died.] ES: Harry/Hermione shippers - delusional! JKR: Well no, I'm not going to - Emerson, I am not going to say they're delusional! They are still valued members of my readership! I am not going to use the word delusional. I am however, going to say — now I am trusting both of you to do the spoiler thing when you write this up — [More laughter.] JKR: I will say, that yes, I personally feel - well it's going to be clear once people have read book six. I mean, that’s it. It’s done, isn’t it? We know. Yes, we do now know that it's Ron and Hermione. I do feel that I have dropped heavy - [All crack up] JKR: - hints. ANVIL-sized, actually, hints, prior to this point. I certainly think even if subtle clues hadn't been picked up by the end of “Azkaban,” that by the time we hit Krum in Goblet... |
Okay, I'll admit, this was a bit disappointing, but I don't have much to work with, so I'll need some support! This might be going a tad too far, but here it goes-
First, when Emerson and Melissa said that they thought that JKR made it "painfully obvious in the first five books," JKR replies "So do I!" Rowling never specified whether she meant that she thought she had made it painfully obvious in the first five books that Harry/Ginny and Ron/Hermione were an item, or that she thought that she had made it painfully obvious in the first five books that one or more of those ships won't happen! I may not be making much sense, but try reading the interview aloud and imagining those two options mentioned above. It seems to make sense.
Next, Jo says that she doesn't think that we are delusional!
Then, She goes on to say that "we donow know that it's Ron and Hermione." Why put in the now in the first place? Could it mean that now it is Ron and Hermione, but later it will not
?Finally, JKR says that there are subtle clues in PoA, and more in GoF. These "subtle clues" could be the Firebolt and Crookshanks/Scabbers incidents. This proves that Ron and Hermione are not compatible, and that Harry cares about Hermione's feelings. The Time Turner scenes could also be subtle hints
. Ron's "jealousy" appears to be the only hints in GoF. But wait! There are "subtle clues" in GoF, excluding Ron's "jealousy" (more like protective possessiveness ):One, Harry's similarities to Krum.
Two, the Second Task scene.
Three, Krum's jealousy.
Four, Hermione's "brave" comment about Krum (who is braver than Harry?).
And
Five, that during the Yule Ball, Ron does not find Hermione attractive.
Also, as I mentioned in an earlier post, JKR "enjoys" these debates/arguments. The obvious meaning of the interview would lead us to believe that it is R/Hr. But that would end these online arguments, so she is, figuratively, "ending these debates/arguments." So there must be something more to this interview than meets the eye.
Last thing: I believe that Hermione's name means "Earthly" or something like that, and her astrological symbol is Virgo (which is associated with the Earth), and Virgos like things to be exact (sound familiar?). Virgo is also ruled by Mercury, who also is called Hermes, which is the male form of Hermione's name. So this means that JKR is paying attention to figurative symbols rather than the obvious
.Even I find my own conclusion very disappointing, but at least tell me if my theory possible!
Earendil_Mithrandir
Hey everyone! *waves* Haven't been on for a while.. Busy with Christmas shopping, you know how it is.. But I'm gone and some one stretched out boards! Ew
Here are just some reasons that I think why Harry and Hermione are in/should be (
) in love. Real love, not any of that childhood crushes stage, I'll get to that later on the Venom Thread.. Anyways, here we go:
1) Develops gradually and requires time so that the two people involved can know each other. Some of the best lasting marriages come from really strong friendships. You know someone for a long time, you feel comfortable around them, and so eventually, you relise that they can become more than a friend.
2) Is relaxed, trusting and confident
3) Helps people become strong enough to stand on their own.
4) Is steady, consistent.
5) Makes a person care more about the welfare or another person.
6) Frees people to be honest, to be themselves.
7) Enables a person to accept another person's faults (Hermione's naging along with Harry's fast temper).
8) Respects a persons' freedoms and individuality.
Just some of the reasons why I think H/Hr would work, and if you check again, I did not include "Hero get's the girl.. as one of them I will describe what I think of R/Hr's relationship on the Venom thread quite shortly if you want to take a peak.. And I do hope the boards are back to normal soon, I do not want my nice post ruined! lol
-Dominique
Here are just some reasons that I think why Harry and Hermione are in/should be (
) in love. Real love, not any of that childhood crushes stage, I'll get to that later on the Venom Thread.. Anyways, here we go:1) Develops gradually and requires time so that the two people involved can know each other. Some of the best lasting marriages come from really strong friendships. You know someone for a long time, you feel comfortable around them, and so eventually, you relise that they can become more than a friend.
2) Is relaxed, trusting and confident
3) Helps people become strong enough to stand on their own.
4) Is steady, consistent.
5) Makes a person care more about the welfare or another person.
6) Frees people to be honest, to be themselves.
7) Enables a person to accept another person's faults (Hermione's naging along with Harry's fast temper).
8) Respects a persons' freedoms and individuality.
Just some of the reasons why I think H/Hr would work, and if you check again, I did not include "Hero get's the girl.. as one of them
I will describe what I think of R/Hr's relationship on the Venom thread quite shortly if you want to take a peak.. And I do hope the boards are back to normal soon, I do not want my nice post ruined! lol-Dominique
I confess I have not started out as desperately wanting Harry and Hermione to pair up. When I read CoS, I thought maybe R/Hr and H/G, then H/C (but with the succeeding books I thought Cho was just so not for Harry), then back to H/G. But, as I re-read PoA to HBP, the subtlety of the H/Hr dynamic hit me full force. H/Hr complement each other and it just feels so right. Even if it was "intimated" in that "delusional" interview (I am so glad JKR did not personally utter that word) that the pairings are as it is in HBP, I think there is enough in the books to clue us in on H/Hr. I really haven't thought of the bickering and fighting as an obvious "anvil-sized" clue to true love. I am also very hopeful after the very last sentence of the HBP "he felt his heart lift at the thought that there was still one last golden day of peace left to enjoy with Ron and Hermione" - I don't think JKR would have intentionally left Ginny out (that day being Bill's wedding with the Weasley family gathered) if the H/G and R/Hr ships are etched in stone.
Hai,
See these lines from JKR's latest interview (BBC)
"Yes, I do know what's going to happen in the end and occasionally I get cold shivers when someone guesses. At something that's very close.And then I panic and I think "Oh, is it very obvious?" and someone says something that's so off the wall, then I think "No, it's clearly not that obvious".
So what is obvious is not likely to happen. We know that most of the readers told that our ship is not obvious. So it is going to happen.
See these lines from JKR's latest interview (BBC)
"Yes, I do know what's going to happen in the end and occasionally I get cold shivers when someone guesses. At something that's very close.And then I panic and I think "Oh, is it very obvious?" and someone says something that's so off the wall, then I think "No, it's clearly not that obvious".
So what is obvious is not likely to happen. We know that most of the readers told that our ship is not obvious. So it is going to happen.
| QUOTE (Lupin123 @ Dec 21 2005, 09:57 AM) |
| Hai, See these lines from JKR's latest interview (BBC) "Yes, I do know what's going to happen in the end and occasionally I get cold shivers when someone guesses. At something that's very close.And then I panic and I think "Oh, is it very obvious?" and someone says something that's so off the wall, then I think "No, it's clearly not that obvious". So what is obvious is not likely to happen. We know that most of the readers told that our ship is not obvious. So it is going to happen. |
Lupin123, I saw this quote as well and made the same conclusions… Obviously, from this and other quotes, it is very important for JKR to maintain a lot of suspense and keep the future book events as a secret – so why would she give away the final events in the sixth book?
If I would be her (that would be very lovely, being rich, admired and most important of all, being able to choose the final ship … And I am not talking about H/G or R/Hr, but you probably guessed that …) I would try to end this series with big bangs, surprises and fireworks… How boring would it be if everything in book 7 would happen exactly like you guess it could happen… That doesn´t make any sense whatsoever from a writers point of view. It would ruin her reputation of being the queen of red herrings and always surprising her readers. And obviously, JKR herself takes great care and pride in this fact (quote!). As we were clearly told by some, ehh, bloody web page-masters (is this too much swearing??? it feels good though… I had even , mhh, different words on my mind…
), R/Hr is sooooo obvious … And H/G as well. So ask yourself – why would JKR give away so much before the last book? When has she ever made something so clear in one of her books? Most of the time, I found that everything turned out to be totally different than I thought it would be. She used so much energy, pages and cleverness in directing us in a different direction than the path of each book took… Quirrel, Sirius, Scabbers/Pattigraw, Percy/snogging action with girlfriend, Snape, Madeye Moody, Tonks/Lupin… to name just a few. Yeah, I know, the supporters of the “canon” ships will say now that she doesn’t have enough time to bring those final pairings together in the last book with all that fighting that will go on. Well – this is not really convincing for me, because she already managed to do this (absolutely rushed) in one book (and it doesn´t really matter if it´s completely done in 6 or 7…).With all that “oh so obvious foreshadowing moments” and that seemingly so directly steering towards those ships over the course of all books – shouldn´t the final pairings be so obvious, natural anyway that she wouldn´t need to show a lot of action to bring them finally, happily together??? (I hope, you are still with me and getting a sense of what I am trying to say with all my rambling…) I mean, misdirecting is her strength, genius and pride – if I were her, I would never, ever be so obvious towards the end, I would try to let all ideas and theories explode in a final showdown. I can hear the “canon” – shippers now – well, we are just too clever for her genius, we saw the real clues!!! But, hey, again – after all those books and red herrings, I reckon, the more obvious it seemingly gets the more suspicious we should be!!!
I don´t mean this just in a shipper way, I think this applies for all events in her books. But obviously (seems to be my new most be loved word here), it makes me question those seemingly “canon-based ships”. And hope for a final H/Hr ending!
I mean, wouldn´t a love triangle and a H/Hr ship be a huge, huge bang??? This would rock the HP world, wouldn´t it??? For me, it comes direcly before letting Snape kill Dumbledore. And, hey, wouldn´t a writer of a series (especially, if the books are written as suspense/crime novels) try to top every book??? Isn´t that what she tried with every book and what we all love so much about HP? Well, there isn´t a whole lot of things which could beat the “Dumbledore-gets-killed-by-Snape”event – Harry being Voldemorts son would be one to beat it but JKR shot that one down! Imagine what would happen when Harry has feelings for the same girl like his best friend has? From a plot point of view, it gives a lot of nice possibilities for trouble… Of course, she could not mean ships at all with that quote – but for me, it still clearly shows how much she cares for not being too obvious! And how much more obvious could “anvil-sized clues” be???
Eowyn
PS It would be great, if you could give me some thoughts about my little rambling. Maybe you even want to play the “advocates diabolus” with all my thoughts, so I can see if its totally bull… what I am thinking .
PPS: I just re-found the other quotes which made me think the first time about the"obvious-problem" of the HBP ships... especially second part of it:
| QUOTE (Transcript of JK's OOTP Newsnight interview @ broadcast on BBC Two on Thursday 19 June) |
JP: But do you find the whole secrecy issue, the need for secrecy, a bit ridiculous? JKR: No. JP: Why not? JKR: Well, a lot of it comes from me. JP: Really? JKR: Yeah definitely. I mean, of course one could be cynical, and I'm sure you would be disposed to be so, and say it was a marketing ploy, but I don't want the kids to know what's coming. Because that's part of the excitement of the story, and having - you know - sweated blood to create all my red herrings and lay all my clues... To me it's not a ... This is my ... This is my ... I was going to say this is my life. It's not my life, but it is a very important part of my life. […] JP: So there will be some pairing up will there in this book? JKR: Well in the fullness of time. JP: Unlikely pairings? Not Hermione and Draco Malfoy or anything like that? JKR: I don't really want to say as it will ruin all the fan sites. They have such fun with their theories - and it is fun, it is fun. And some of them even get quite close. No-one has ever - I have gone and looked at some of it and no-one's ever... There is one thing that if anyone guessed I would be really annoyed as it is kind of the heart of it all. And it kind of explains everything and no-one's quite got there but a couple of people have skirted it. So you know, I would be pretty miffed after 13 or 14 years of writing the books if someone just came along and said I think this will happen in book seven. Because it is too late, I couldn't divert now, everything has been building up to it, and I've laid all my clues. |
When OotP were published, you couldn´t really say that
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| no-one´s quite got there |
, there were already many people convinced that R/Hr would happen... Also, many careful readers (like us ) were hoping for H/Hr... So, that leaves us shippingwise with.... a love triangle? Or what else?
) were hoping for H/Hr... So, that leaves us shippingwise with.... a love triangle? Or what else?
| QUOTE (Lupin123 @ Dec 21 2005, 09:57 AM) |
| Hai, See these lines from JKR's latest interview (BBC) "Yes, I do know what's going to happen in the end and occasionally I get cold shivers when someone guesses. At something that's very close.And then I panic and I think "Oh, is it very obvious?" and someone says something that's so off the wall, then I think "No, it's clearly not that obvious". So what is obvious is not likely to happen. We know that most of the readers told that our ship is not obvious. So it is going to happen. |
I believe that "what is obvious" is NOT going to be what ultimately happens in the final book. Whether we are talking about how Harry will defeat Voldemort - and you know that he will! - or whether we are talking about the shipping.
HBP made many people believe that it's R/Hr. I disagree. It's far too obvious. JKR just doesn't go for the obvious. She will not be upstaged. As for H/G ... well, that was VERY obvious in HBP! But, they broke up. Hooray! So, this means that Harry is available. Cho and Ginny are out, I guess this means the third one is the charm. And, I'm hoping that it's Hermione!
Eowyn,
I am also thinking that there will be a love triangle in the end. Definately there will be huge bang ( as you told). But what my opinion is Ron will not fight with Harry after knowing what is in Hermione's mind. Because their friendship is portrayed in a lovely manner from the beginning.But in portkey.talk.org there is one forum Half Blood Prince Completed Discussion In that forum one thread (Ron's feelings) explains R/Hr in a different manner. If that guess work is correct it will also rocks the HP world.
Dumbledore's widow,
I think that interview quote applies not only to the shipping things but also to all the events in the book. We certainly know Harry will win in the final battle. But we don't know how. We know there will be deaths in the end. But we don't know who will die in the end. According to me R/Hr is not obvious. H/Hr is very much obvious to me from the beginning. But we are less in number. very less. There is one poll in the Portkey.org website asking for the possibility of H/Hr. To my shock, most of the people have voted they have 0% hope in the H/Hr ship. R/Hr is getting that much support. I think book 7 will come to a big shock to them. Let us see.
I am also thinking that there will be a love triangle in the end. Definately there will be huge bang ( as you told). But what my opinion is Ron will not fight with Harry after knowing what is in Hermione's mind. Because their friendship is portrayed in a lovely manner from the beginning.But in portkey.talk.org there is one forum Half Blood Prince Completed Discussion In that forum one thread (Ron's feelings) explains R/Hr in a different manner. If that guess work is correct it will also rocks the HP world.
Dumbledore's widow,
I think that interview quote applies not only to the shipping things but also to all the events in the book. We certainly know Harry will win in the final battle. But we don't know how. We know there will be deaths in the end. But we don't know who will die in the end. According to me R/Hr is not obvious. H/Hr is very much obvious to me from the beginning. But we are less in number. very less. There is one poll in the Portkey.org website asking for the possibility of H/Hr. To my shock, most of the people have voted they have 0% hope in the H/Hr ship. R/Hr is getting that much support. I think book 7 will come to a big shock to them. Let us see.
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| shouldn´t the final pairings be so obvious, natural anyway that she wouldn´t need to show a lot of action to bring them finally, happily together??? |
*high fives* Yes! And what you were saying made a lot of sense.. That's what I was thinking as well.. How could she just expose this 'big' thing right out of the blue in some random interview? How many of us saw it comming that Snape would kill Dumbledore? Ron stuck to his game, always accusing him (kudos to him ) but either than that, everyone was getting frustrated with Ron and were absolutly sure that Snape was on their side. Even Harry soon realised it...Doesn't this seem a little like the whole R/Hr and H/Hr thing? Everybody is in denial (sp?) that H/Hr will happen, There is just no way! They all say.. Most people thought Snape was for sure on the good side, and he may still be, who know's, but Snape killed Dumbledore. Snape killed Dumbledore. It just happend. I think that there is no reason why H/Hr can't happen. I too want an ending that will surprise me! And if the so called 'obvious' ships happen, I will be very dissapointed.
-Dominique
I do believe that Ron does indeed like Hermione but, saying as a Harry/Hermione supporter, Harry and Hermione have this special bond and will make an excellent couple and, unlike Ron and Hermione, actually have a future together.
| QUOTE (c4e @ Dec 22 2005, 03:00 PM) |
| I do believe that Ron does indeed like Hermione |
Yeah, even we deslusional shippers know that all, but that´s exactly the point for me - we know Ron likes Hermione, but we never really got obvious clues how Hermione really feels for Ron (in my opinion) ... I know, she canaries him but is that the case because she is in love with him? I don´t think so, I reckon it´s just hurt pride (the only boy (in her opinion) who sort of fancied her over the last years goes and has a snogfest with somenody else) or maybe just the result of all that bickering. Yes, it could be a deeper feeling but it´s just not as clear as Ron´s feelings for her.
I am still pondering over this quote:
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| JP: So there will be some pairing up will there in this book? JKR: Well in the fullness of time. JP: Unlikely pairings? Not Hermione and Draco Malfoy or anything like that? JKR: I don't really want to say as it will ruin all the fan sites. They have such fun with their theories - and it is fun, it is fun. And some of them even get quite close. No-one has ever - I have gone and looked at some of it and no-one's ever... There is one thing that if anyone guessed I would be really annoyed as it is kind of the heart of it all. And it kind of explains everything and no-one's quite got there but a couple of people have skirted it. So you know, I would be pretty miffed after 13 or 14 years of writing the books if someone just came along and said I think this will happen in book seven. Because it is too late, I couldn't divert now, everything has been building up to it, and I've laid all my clues. |
Obviously, she is talking about relationships, or better to say - a special relationship she is aiming for as the series comes to an end
| QUOTE (JKR) |
| this will happen in book seven |
. She just can´t write about R/Hr, can she? Because when she said this, there was already such a huge fanbase for R/Hr, so the comment
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| no-one's quite got there but a couple of people have skirted it |
can´t really apply for this ship, can it? And then I read the infamous interview again, and am confused again - she said, it´s Ron and Hermione, didn´t she?
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| JKR: I will say, that yes, I personally feel - well it's going to be clear once people have read book six. I mean, that’s it. It’s done, isn’t it? We know. Yes, we do now know that it's Ron and Hermione. |
But how does those two comments make sense together???
She must mean a different couple with the "no-one´s quite got there" comment, there is no other way because it doesn´t make any sense whatsoever with R/Hr, does it? So, are there any other possible pairings she could mean? (Personally, I know exactly which one she must mean, in my opinion, I just try to look at it from different angles...) Ok, there is Harry and Ginny. Could this be the ship she is talking about? I am not really sure if this possible pairing was still sort of hidden (for me, it absolutely was, but I am talking about the wide HP followship community.) at OotP. Can you remember about it? Is this ship the heart of it all, as she called it? Mhhhh - from a writers point of view, how could Ginny as apossible partner for Harry bring something important for the story - plotwise, I mean? It must be something really important if it´s called the heart of it all. Doesn´t play Ginny in relation towards Harry a too minor role for most of the books to be "the heart of it all"? Everything you write as a writer has a special importance for the story, so what brings girlfriend Ginny for the story? Mods, I don´t go off topic here (I hope, at least
), I just try to rule this ship as the possible meant one out, in favour of H/Hr ... I guess, we can rule out other ships meant by this quote because they are not important enough, are too farfetched or don´t include one of the main characters. (In case, I am too blind, if there is any other possibilty I don´t see, just let me know!)I hope you don´t find me too annoying or too rambling, I just try to varify my thoughts through looking from different angles and would love to hear your opinions about it.
Eowyn
Eowyn,
Did you go through that Rons's feelings thread in Portkey.org. It explains that Ron did not have any romantic feelings towards Hermione. He did not use any of his chance to ask Hermione going out with him. His feelings are only brotherly feelings...etc etc..
Any how that angle made me so wonder and I started to think about that. What if really Ron did not have any feelings towards Hermione? It made the way very clear to our ship in the end. Since the story is in Harry's point of view (Harry is a confident R/Hr shipper) the majarity of the readers interpreting the situations. Did Ron confess exactly his love towards Hermione in 6 books? He told in HBP once but in a friendly manner. Hermione did not have any feelings towards Ron from the beginning. It is very clear. Ron's cold shouldering made her angry towards Ron .( definately not because of Lavender thing) In that thread they wondered what would have happen if Ron did not interupted Harry and Hermione. I really liked that portkey.org website very much. Very enjoyable posts to read.
After reading those posts i go through again HBP and find one thing. I don't know whether it makes any sense. Any how here it is. In Felix Felicis chapter page no 269,
Harry and Ron witnessed the kissing Dean and Ginny. Immediately Harry felt some thing erupted in life in his stomach. He wanted to curse Dean. He himself identified that feeling as a brotherly feeling.
Yeah, it is" said Ron angrily. "D'you think I want people saying my sister's a__"
"A what?" shouted Ginny, drawing her wand. "A What exactly?"
"He doesn't mean anything, Ginny_" said Harry automatically, though the monster was roaring its approval Ron's words.
So his monster seemed to be approving Ron's brotherly feeling. He also having the same feeling as Ron had.
" Harry's snogged Cho Chang" shouted Ginny who sounded close to tears now.'And Hermione snogged Viktor Krum, it's only you who acts like it's something disguesting, Ron, and that's because you've got about as much experience as a twelve- year-old"
And with that she stormed away.Harry quickly let go of Ron.(text)
Harry felt disoriented,dizzy; being struck by a lightning bolt must be something like this.
He actually did not know why he felt that much disoriented and convinced himself ( and also the readers) that it is because he saw Ginny with Dean. They explained the situation that it is not because of Ginny but because of the news given by Ginny that Hermione snogging Krum. Remember Hermione always made it clear that there is nothing between herself and Krum and Harry had believed that till date. So the unexpected news of Hermione snogging Krum ( that too from Ginny: Hermione used to talk with Ginny intimately than the other girls.Isn't it?) made Harry dizzy. He himself did not realised why he got that much shocked. But what bothers me is why immediately he had the mind image in which he snogged Ginny. I can't understand and totally confused. But the monster seemed to be quiet when he is with Hermione (that is from november till March -- after Ron - Hermione fight till Ron's hospitalisation.) Definately we are missing something underlying the lines. can't wait to read book 7. In that portkey threads they discussed about the other ships (N/G,R/L) also. It is interesting and made me wonder very much.
Did you go through that Rons's feelings thread in Portkey.org. It explains that Ron did not have any romantic feelings towards Hermione. He did not use any of his chance to ask Hermione going out with him. His feelings are only brotherly feelings...etc etc..
Any how that angle made me so wonder and I started to think about that. What if really Ron did not have any feelings towards Hermione? It made the way very clear to our ship in the end. Since the story is in Harry's point of view (Harry is a confident R/Hr shipper) the majarity of the readers interpreting the situations. Did Ron confess exactly his love towards Hermione in 6 books? He told in HBP once but in a friendly manner. Hermione did not have any feelings towards Ron from the beginning. It is very clear. Ron's cold shouldering made her angry towards Ron .( definately not because of Lavender thing) In that thread they wondered what would have happen if Ron did not interupted Harry and Hermione. I really liked that portkey.org website very much. Very enjoyable posts to read.
After reading those posts i go through again HBP and find one thing. I don't know whether it makes any sense. Any how here it is. In Felix Felicis chapter page no 269,
Harry and Ron witnessed the kissing Dean and Ginny. Immediately Harry felt some thing erupted in life in his stomach. He wanted to curse Dean. He himself identified that feeling as a brotherly feeling.
Yeah, it is" said Ron angrily. "D'you think I want people saying my sister's a__"
"A what?" shouted Ginny, drawing her wand. "A What exactly?"
"He doesn't mean anything, Ginny_" said Harry automatically, though the monster was roaring its approval Ron's words.
So his monster seemed to be approving Ron's brotherly feeling. He also having the same feeling as Ron had.
" Harry's snogged Cho Chang" shouted Ginny who sounded close to tears now.'And Hermione snogged Viktor Krum, it's only you who acts like it's something disguesting, Ron, and that's because you've got about as much experience as a twelve- year-old"
And with that she stormed away.Harry quickly let go of Ron.(text)
Harry felt disoriented,dizzy; being struck by a lightning bolt must be something like this.
He actually did not know why he felt that much disoriented and convinced himself ( and also the readers) that it is because he saw Ginny with Dean. They explained the situation that it is not because of Ginny but because of the news given by Ginny that Hermione snogging Krum. Remember Hermione always made it clear that there is nothing between herself and Krum and Harry had believed that till date. So the unexpected news of Hermione snogging Krum ( that too from Ginny: Hermione used to talk with Ginny intimately than the other girls.Isn't it?) made Harry dizzy. He himself did not realised why he got that much shocked. But what bothers me is why immediately he had the mind image in which he snogged Ginny. I can't understand and totally confused. But the monster seemed to be quiet when he is with Hermione (that is from november till March -- after Ron - Hermione fight till Ron's hospitalisation.) Definately we are missing something underlying the lines. can't wait to read book 7. In that portkey threads they discussed about the other ships (N/G,R/L) also. It is interesting and made me wonder very much.
when, has h/hr ever had a "shippy" moment. in hbp at the funeral (i dont think dumbly-dorr is dead) ron stroked hermione's hair... he would never do that unless...they would get together in the future books. i was pretty irratated (idk how to spell it) , when jkr didnt put ron and hermione together in hbp.
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| Hermione spends alot of this film, you see most of it, being concerned and really like, worried about Harry all the time. I'm surprised she doesn't have a nervous breakdown. She's so worried that he's not going to make it. She's a very loyal friend to him through out the film, and it think that's what the film for her is about. |
-- Quote by Emma Watson.. I actually heard it on the 11 minute video on the home page. I guess we now know what the film is about for her.. The book can be interepted both the H/Hr view (loyalty, support) or R/Hr and the (bickering, arguments) but obviously, loyalty wins. It is bolded in the quote, I am not being delusional, it came out of Emma who plays Hermione's mouth.
Just something I felt like posting
And voldys_8th_horcrux, I don't think you'll find too many R/Hr supporters here, this is a H/Hr thread..-Dominique
| QUOTE (Lupin123) |
| Eowyn, Did you go through that Rons's feelings thread in Portkey.org. It explains that Ron did not have any romantic feelings towards Hermione. He did not use any of his chance to ask Hermione going out with him. His feelings are only brotherly feelings...etc etc.. Any how that angle made me so wonder and I started to think about that. What if really Ron did not have any feelings towards Hermione? It made the way very clear to our ship in the end. Since the story is in Harry's point of view (Harry is a confident R/Hr shipper) the majarity of the readers interpreting the situations. |
Lupin123,
I tried to have a look at it (thank you for informing me about it by the way
!) but it seems that you need to be a member to read it. Or maybe I am just stupid... It sounds definetly interesting what you are writing and it would be great to read it - so far I was very sure Ron would have a little bit different feelings for Hermione than just brotherly ones... You are right, I never really thought of that, but yes, Harry could also just be a delusional R/Hr shipper… Very interesting thought!| QUOTE (Lupin123) |
| " Harry's snogged Cho Chang" shouted Ginny who sounded close to tears now.'And Hermione snogged Viktor Krum, it's only you who acts like it's something disguesting, Ron, and that's because you've got about as much experience as a twelve- year-old" And with that she stormed away.Harry quickly let go of Ron.(text) Harry felt disoriented,dizzy; being struck by a lightning bolt must be something like this. |
Great find, Lupin123, I never noticed this before! I am not quite sure if Harry really is just dizzy because of the "Krum-snogging-Hermione-information" - but it is very interesting to see again how JKR manages to mix possible reasons for a certain behaviour/ reaction so that it could be interpreted both shipper ways... She does this so often, it could always be both ways... And she sort of hides it very cleverly so usually, you just notice one obvious explanation and you just see a different angle of the same incident if you look a little bit closer... I mean, she didn´t have to include the "Krum-snogging-Hermione-information" - than it would have been obvious why Harry feels dizzy. On the other hand, this time there is at least a reason storywise to include both angles, because Ginnys comment brings the Ron_Lavender action into motion... So it seems there is a justified reason for the "H/Hr-friendly-angle", and unfortunately, it can´t be said that she sort of cleverly hides a different reason for Harrys feelings than Ginny´s snogging (even if I´d like to think that...) Don´t misunderstand me, I think it´s still interesting to see and leaves H/Hr possibilities open which I didn´t see before ...
Have a great christmas you all,
Eowyn!
PS Oh man, just read my post again and felt I owe you an excuse - even worse spelling and grammar than usual, picked a wrong quote (have corrected it now
) - sorry for that, I had some short nights in a row and it shows - I guess it´s time for some hiberantion... 
Hey voldys_8th_horcrux. Could you please look at the ship rules? It states that these ships are for supporters only , unless it says 'Venom' in front of it. Anyway, you can go on posting about this in the R/Hr thread... If you have any questions about this, please send a private message to me, another prefect, or moderator.
By the way, Dominique, thanks for showing us that quote. Of course is shows us that Emma values the loyalty of friendship more than arguing.
By the way, Dominique, thanks for showing us that quote. Of course is shows us that Emma values the loyalty of friendship more than arguing.
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| but it is very interesting to see again, how JKR manages to mix possible reasons for a certain behaviour/ reaction so that it could be interpreted both shipper ways... |
Yes..very. J.K.'s one of the best people who can play on words and we sometimes think that we know exactly what she means, when in reality, she means a totally different thing..
Anyway, as to why she included Hermione and Krum snogging..I thought it was uncalled for. Eh..I have a really different view of Hermione now because she went of snogging with someone she hardly knew...
For Harry, it might have been a lot to take in because he never thought Hermione would snog someone that quick as well. So, he as a whole was not thinking about it, but something in the back of his mind kept proding at the idea of Krum kissing Hermione, and Harry felt in a daze about that because his mind was concentrated on one basic thing..
Yes, everything can be looked at both ways can't it? Everything can be interpreted differenlty. This is my favorite quote(s) in HBP. As much as I disliked it, it did have some good H/Hr moments, the two below in perticular:
With a sinking feeling he thought he saw a mane of bushy brown hair whipping out of sight.
He darted forward, sidestepped Romilda Vane again, and pushed open the portrait of the Fat Lady. The corridor outside seemed to be deserted.
"Hermione?"
He found her in the first unlocked classroom he tried. She was sitting on the teacher’s desk, alone except for a small ring of twittering yellow birds circling her head, which she had clearly just conjured out of midair. Harry could not help admiring her spell work at a time like this.
"Oh, hello, Harry," she said in a brittle voice. "I was just practicing."
"Yeah…they’re--er--really good…."said Harry.
*sighs* If that isn't included in the HBP movie, there will be some outbreaks One more..
Hermione refused to sit in the common room while Ron was there, so Harry generally joined her in the library ,which meant that their conversations were held in whispers.
Again, showing that H/Hr spent alot of time together. Well, we know she wouldn't go anywhere near Ron..
-Dominique
With a sinking feeling he thought he saw a mane of bushy brown hair whipping out of sight.
He darted forward, sidestepped Romilda Vane again, and pushed open the portrait of the Fat Lady. The corridor outside seemed to be deserted.
"Hermione?"
He found her in the first unlocked classroom he tried. She was sitting on the teacher’s desk, alone except for a small ring of twittering yellow birds circling her head, which she had clearly just conjured out of midair. Harry could not help admiring her spell work at a time like this.
"Oh, hello, Harry," she said in a brittle voice. "I was just practicing."
"Yeah…they’re--er--really good…."said Harry.
*sighs* If that isn't included in the HBP movie, there will be some outbreaks
One more..Hermione refused to sit in the common room while Ron was there, so Harry generally joined her in the library ,which meant that their conversations were held in whispers.
Again, showing that H/Hr spent alot of time together. Well, we know she wouldn't go anywhere near Ron..
-Dominique
| QUOTE (Dominique @ Dec 23 2005, 05:07 PM) |
| Yes, everything can be looked at both ways can't it? Everything can be interpreted differenlty. This is my favorite quote(s) in HBP. As much as I disliked it, it did have some good H/Hr moments, the two below in perticular: With a sinking feeling he thought he saw a mane of bushy brown hair whipping out of sight. He darted forward, sidestepped Romilda Vane again, and pushed open the portrait of the Fat Lady. The corridor outside seemed to be deserted. "Hermione?" He found her in the first unlocked classroom he tried. She was sitting on the teacher’s desk, alone except for a small ring of twittering yellow birds circling her head, which she had clearly just conjured out of midair. Harry could not help admiring her spell work at a time like this. "Oh, hello, Harry," she said in a brittle voice. "I was just practicing." "Yeah…they’re--er--really good…."said Harry. *sighs* If that isn't included in the HBP movie, there will be some outbreaks One more..Hermione refused to sit in the common room while Ron was there, so Harry generally joined her in the library ,which meant that their conversations were held in whispers. Again, showing that H/Hr spent alot of time together. Well, we know she wouldn't go anywhere near Ron.. -Dominique |
All of this just makes me wonder why Harry is always so concerned for Hermione. He seems to always have her best interest in mind. He cares very much for her. Even when he is supposed to like somebody else, as with Cho, he always has to go off to join Hermione. Makes you wonder why JKR wrote it this way. We Harmonians aren't reading between the lines here. It's canon. Harry is always looking out for Hermione, and she is always looking out for him! Aw-w-w, how romantic!
Eowyn
Yeah, we have to register our membership to read the threads in that forum. Really worth reading posts.
Happy Christmas to all H/Hr shippers!. Be Happy!
Yeah, we have to register our membership to read the threads in that forum. Really worth reading posts.
Happy Christmas to all H/Hr shippers!. Be Happy!
Sorry for doble posting. Just want to share a thought. I forget to include it in my earlier post. Sorry again!
Hermione_ Resilda
Personally I don't think Hermione snogged Krum. She is having secret feelings for Harry and still she sticks to that. It is Ginny's statement that Hermione snogged Krum. We didn't hear anything either from Hermione's side or from Krum's side to prove their relationship. I think that,other than Hermione, Krum is the only person who knows about her feelings towards Harry. So If we meet Krum ( definately we will meet) again in the story that will make the things clear. Hermione's unconditional love for Harry is the heart of the story. It is powerful than magic. I think this is the thing JKR going to prove it in Book 7.
Hermione_ Resilda
Personally I don't think Hermione snogged Krum. She is having secret feelings for Harry and still she sticks to that. It is Ginny's statement that Hermione snogged Krum. We didn't hear anything either from Hermione's side or from Krum's side to prove their relationship. I think that,other than Hermione, Krum is the only person who knows about her feelings towards Harry. So If we meet Krum ( definately we will meet) again in the story that will make the things clear. Hermione's unconditional love for Harry is the heart of the story. It is powerful than magic. I think this is the thing JKR going to prove it in Book 7.
Wow. I go away for a few days of intense studying for school and look what pops up in place... I absolutely loved all the posts. Very much on the thought provoking side and wonderful all around. A couple of things that got me thinking.
The whole mystery of the "heart of the books" (or whatever she said). That interests me beyond all else. I really am looking forward to book seven now (all my apprehension has melted away). The suspense she has created must last to the end. That is what makes Harry Potter Harry Potter. There's nothing else to it. And having a love triangle transforming into Harry and Hermione by the end should certainly send people reeling (myself included). It has been constantly downplayed (even in the movies through the editing process), and would be completely unexpected.
I also liked the subtly (spelling?) of how Harry always feels close to Hermione and always looks out for her subconsciously. He cares for her, and she's always felt something for him as well. The hidden nature of it all makes the relationship all the more appealing.
Eowyn, Dominique, Dumbledore's Window, Lupin123 and Hermione_Resilda: I agree with all your posts. Excellent points well said. I believe that you all have struck the core of the whole Harry and Hermione relationship (especially for me) and helped me realise exactly why Harry and Hermione are who they are, why they care for each other, and so on.
Post Script- I'm listening to the "Flight of Buckbeak" on the soundtrack right now and can't get images of Harry and Hermione riding on Buckbeak to rescue Sirius out of my head. A nice moment they had...
Er... sorry for the random order of my thoughts. It all just came out sort of mixed up; I was too excited about responding to the posts that I couldn't think clearly...
Merry Christmas to everyone!!!
I absolutely loved all the posts. Very much on the thought provoking side and wonderful all around. A couple of things that got me thinking.The whole mystery of the "heart of the books" (or whatever she said). That interests me beyond all else. I really am looking forward to book seven now (all my apprehension has melted away). The suspense she has created must last to the end. That is what makes Harry Potter Harry Potter. There's nothing else to it. And having a love triangle transforming into Harry and Hermione by the end should certainly send people reeling (myself included). It has been constantly downplayed (even in the movies through the editing process), and would be completely unexpected.
I also liked the subtly (spelling?) of how Harry always feels close to Hermione and always looks out for her subconsciously. He cares for her, and she's always felt something for him as well. The hidden nature of it all makes the relationship all the more appealing.
Eowyn, Dominique, Dumbledore's Window, Lupin123 and Hermione_Resilda: I agree with all your posts. Excellent points well said. I believe that you all have struck the core of the whole Harry and Hermione relationship (especially for me) and helped me realise exactly why Harry and Hermione are who they are, why they care for each other, and so on.
Post Script- I'm listening to the "Flight of Buckbeak" on the soundtrack right now and can't get images of Harry and Hermione riding on Buckbeak to rescue Sirius out of my head. A nice moment they had...
Er... sorry for the random order of my thoughts. It all just came out sort of mixed up; I was too excited about responding to the posts that I couldn't think clearly...
Merry Christmas to everyone!!!
"JKR: I will say, that yes, I personally feel - well it's going to be clear once people have read book six. I mean, that’s it. It’s done, isn’t it? We know. Yes, we do now know that it's Ron and Hermione. "
Well J.K reminded me a bit of Dumbledore with that qoute. I could just see her eyes twinkling when she said this. See, she's asking us. Shes challenging us. She didn't outright say: It's Ron and Hermione. She sneakilly asked us, what do you think. She wants to know if anyone has caught her yet. This is my view on that quote from the ver so annoying and infamous interview. I have a best friend who is r/hr all the way, and she ALWAYS uses J.K's quote. But is there a hidden meaning behind it. That's what I have been pondering for quite a while.
Hello everybody!
I have just gotten back from watching GoF (for the first time
), and I am surprised, even though many warnings and disclaimers were screamed at me, at the number of scenes that were cut in the movie (id est= Hermione's kiss, Winky/Dobby, the Dursley's, et alia) and scenes that were in the trailers, but were cut from the film in the end. The Yule Brawl in the movie looked a bit like some Shakespearean tragedy! Yet I still feel that GoF was more of a H/Hr book/movie than a R/Hr one.
I was wondering if anyone has yet explained Ron's "I love you" in HBP, and if so, if they could tell me what those explanations are? I think that I may have found something, but I do not want to make a complete fool of myself if this is common knowledge among Harmonians.
I am also debating as to whether or not to start a H/Hr FanFic.
See you all soon!
Earendil_Mithrandir
I have just gotten back from watching GoF (for the first time
), and I am surprised, even though many warnings and disclaimers were screamed at me, at the number of scenes that were cut in the movie (id est= Hermione's kiss, Winky/Dobby, the Dursley's, et alia) and scenes that were in the trailers, but were cut from the film in the end. The Yule Brawl in the movie looked a bit like some Shakespearean tragedy! Yet I still feel that GoF was more of a H/Hr book/movie than a R/Hr one.I was wondering if anyone has yet explained Ron's "I love you" in HBP, and if so, if they could tell me what those explanations are? I think that I may have found something, but I do not want to make a complete fool of myself if this is common knowledge among Harmonians.
I am also debating as to whether or not to start a H/Hr FanFic.
See you all soon!
Earendil_Mithrandir
Well, a few time ago, H/H was the most popular ship, but now have a lot of R/H, just because the books are showing for us that will be r/h in the end. I love H/H always. :)
it would be nice to hav H/HR but i dont think it will really happen... Harry wouldnt want to break up with Ron which might happen if harry goes out with hermione...it is obvious that ron and hermione like each other because each get jealous when the other goes out with someone...i think harry has always liked hermione but as a friend only and the same goes to hermione! its nice to keep this ship going but in my opinion its unlikely for it to come true 
but theres always a chance that it does happen so atleast its not impossible .thing is lots of people are against this ship as they think R/HR is better ..well.everyone has their opinion and i must say mine is in the middle..im supporting all the ships as long as the results arent too bad!
but theres always a chance that it does happen so atleast its not impossible
.thing is lots of people are against this ship as they think R/HR is better ..well.everyone has their opinion and i must say mine is in the middle..im supporting all the ships as long as the results arent too bad!
Harry and Hermione 4 ever. have you noticed that Hermy always goes out of her way to save Harry but is happy for someone else to save Ron? Hermione is clearly disappointed abour Ron becoming prefect and even doubts his abilities. and note this in HBP Hermione becomes excited at the thought of Harry being Quidditch Captain because he now gets to use the Prefects Bathroom. Now that's interesting! harry obviously realises Hermione is a pretty girl, he notices in GOF and comments he doesn't find her ugly1 there's enough faults in this relationship to stop it being too perfect which helps. Harry is physically protective of Hermione and tries not to hurt her feelings. He will finally realise his love for the bookworm. He doesn't up to now but this just because of his naivety around girls
sorry if it's long winded
Emma Watson is a sexy beast
sorry if it's long winded
Emma Watson is a sexy beast
Well, I personally don't give a spider what anyone (especially R/Hr shippers think. I still believe in it, though I doubt it will ever happen. Ron is really mean.
Hello all! Great posts y'all and great catch there on Harry's response to a possible Hr/V kiss, Lupin123!
| QUOTE (Earendil_Mithrandir @ Dec 26 2005, 07:58 PM) |
| I was wondering if anyone has yet explained Ron's "I love you" in HBP, and if so, if they could tell me what those explanations are? I think that I may have found something, but I do not want to make a complete fool of myself if this is common knowledge among Harmonians. |
Have you ever helped someone out of a serious situation and felt the need to thank them? Ron's "I love you" was in gratitude after saving his ruined homework, not a true romantic sense. Note after Hermione's blush at finally getting a decent thanks from Ron for a change, she advices him to tell Lavender that to break things off with the girl. Very similar to her advice to Harry about Cho's jealousy. A very friendly moment for a change!
What was your thought?
The pre-DoM argument in OotP between Harry and Hermione was excellent. Slowly approaching each other, the tension, the respect, the desperation...and it was resolved very well, eventhough Hermione turned out to be right and she did not rub it in.
Ron said, "I love you" in gratitute for what Hermione did for him. i.e. saving his ruined homework. I agree with Nymphe, Ron didn't mean this in any romantic way.
Finally, something that actually supports the Harry and Hermione love!!!! From the start, I have always thought of Harry and Hermione falling in love when they knew what it really was!!!! You Harry and Hermione love shippers are awsome!!!!
Lol…yea its nice to know there are people out there who still support this ship! ……..it would happen definitely if Ron was out of he way but I don’t want Ron going or dying because its always nice to have the trio together.
Ok when ron said that, course he didn’t mean it in a romantic way but can anyone explain why they keep getting jealous of each other when one of them is going out with someone
……..but hopefully we have a chance!
……..it would happen definitely if Ron was out of he way but I don’t want Ron going or dying because its always nice to have the trio together.Ok when ron said that, course he didn’t mean it in a romantic way but can anyone explain why they keep getting jealous of each other when one of them is going out with someone
……..but hopefully we have a chance!
Hi everybody! Just thought I'd pop in to add my two cents.
Personally, I think that Hermione was utterly frustrated in HBP. Up to that point, she had no real indication of how Harry feels about her, he has never told her, and she thinks Ron likes her (as does everyone else). So, since Harry has left her hanging and gone off with yet another pretty quidditch player (don't even get me started) Hermione gives Ron a chance, only Ron acts like a jerk. I think Ron is either scared of being with Hermione (why would he be scared, he's known her for years?) or he doesn't like her as much as many people think, including Hermione. That of course, relates back to why he would be scared to be with her, she may expect too much. So she tries to get Ron to notice her, which should have been easy given that he apparantly loves her, but instead she just gets even more frustrated and angry. Then, to confuse her completely, Harry is the one who is actively comforting her. He actually goes looking for her to make sure that she's alright. I loved Hermione's reaction to Harry's compliment about her being the best in their year, she was thrilled. I really think Hermione is unaware of how important she is to Harry. And Ron, well he once again got jealous, big surprise. He started fishing for compliments too when Hermione was raving about Harry. I could write an entire essay just on how I think Ron's jealousy of both Harry and Hermione is what drives him, what makes the reader believe that he has feelings for Hermione.
Personally, I think that Hermione was utterly frustrated in HBP. Up to that point, she had no real indication of how Harry feels about her, he has never told her, and she thinks Ron likes her (as does everyone else). So, since Harry has left her hanging and gone off with yet another pretty quidditch player (don't even get me started) Hermione gives Ron a chance, only Ron acts like a jerk. I think Ron is either scared of being with Hermione (why would he be scared, he's known her for years?) or he doesn't like her as much as many people think, including Hermione. That of course, relates back to why he would be scared to be with her, she may expect too much. So she tries to get Ron to notice her, which should have been easy given that he apparantly loves her, but instead she just gets even more frustrated and angry. Then, to confuse her completely, Harry is the one who is actively comforting her. He actually goes looking for her to make sure that she's alright. I loved Hermione's reaction to Harry's compliment about her being the best in their year, she was thrilled. I really think Hermione is unaware of how important she is to Harry. And Ron, well he once again got jealous, big surprise. He started fishing for compliments too when Hermione was raving about Harry. I could write an entire essay just on how I think Ron's jealousy of both Harry and Hermione is what drives him, what makes the reader believe that he has feelings for Hermione.
Hai,
Earendil_Mithrandir,
I think Ron told that "I love you" to Hermione just in a friendly manner. See how casually he told her that without any feeling. Ron used to praise her and thank her always whenever she helped him in doing homework.We can see many scenes like that in earlier books. After telling that "I love you" he simply talked with Harry about how to end up his relation with Lavender. Hermione also did not show any particular reaction expect a slight pink and a mere saying that he do not let Lavender to hear it. After that she did not speak a single word. In fact the three of them sat in silence for twenty minutes. But remember Hermione's reaction to Harry's compliment about her as a best student of their year (to Prof.Slughorn). She turned to Harry with a radiant expression. Remember the beautiful compliment given by Hermione to Harry that how he is fanciable. Harry"s reaction to that compliment! lovely! Such beautiful moments never occur between R/Hr until book 6. So always H/Hr!
Earendil_Mithrandir,
I think Ron told that "I love you" to Hermione just in a friendly manner. See how casually he told her that without any feeling. Ron used to praise her and thank her always whenever she helped him in doing homework.We can see many scenes like that in earlier books. After telling that "I love you" he simply talked with Harry about how to end up his relation with Lavender. Hermione also did not show any particular reaction expect a slight pink and a mere saying that he do not let Lavender to hear it. After that she did not speak a single word. In fact the three of them sat in silence for twenty minutes. But remember Hermione's reaction to Harry's compliment about her as a best student of their year (to Prof.Slughorn). She turned to Harry with a radiant expression. Remember the beautiful compliment given by Hermione to Harry that how he is fanciable. Harry"s reaction to that compliment! lovely! Such beautiful moments never occur between R/Hr until book 6. So always H/Hr!
| QUOTE (Nymphe @ Dec 28 2005, 02:33 PM) | ||
Have you ever helped someone out of a serious situation and felt the need to thank them? Ron's "I love you" was in gratitude after saving his ruined homework, not a true romantic sense. Note after Hermione's blush at finally getting a decent thanks from Ron for a change, she advices him to tell Lavender that to break things off with the girl. Very similar to her advice to Harry about Cho's jealousy. A very friendly moment for a change! What was your thought? |
Hello,
That's what I thought, too, Nymphe! Great minds think alike (there must be many great minds here
)! I found it quite obvious, but I have seen many Harmonians act like it was the death of the ship !I think that the new thread entitled "H/r/hr Love Triangle, Will Harry and Ron fight over Hermione?" is turning out to be a very good thread, although it is sort of turning into a debate thread between the H/Hr ship and the dreaded R/Hr ship instead of the intended H/R/Hr supporter thread
!Earendil_Mithrandir
lol...yea its a very interesting thread though shippers there tend to move out of the main thread subject. that always seems to happen with me there
well let me repeat my question : can anyone explain why they keep getting jealous of each other when one of them is going out with someone . and by they i mean Ron/Hermione!
well let me repeat my question : can anyone explain why they keep getting jealous of each other when one of them is going out with someone . and by they i mean Ron/Hermione!
| QUOTE (*dementor* @ Dec 29 2005, 05:01 PM) |
| well let me repeat my question : can anyone explain why they keep getting jealous of each other when one of them is going out with someone . and by they i mean Ron/Hermione! |
I think that Ron's jealousy is pretty obvious: he is just very protective and possessive of many people. He is protective with Ginny because he is her older brother, so he should look after her. But for Hermione, his "crush" on her might help it along; and his assumption that Hermione is his. Hermione on the other hand is much harder to explain. There might be two explanations:
1)
| QUOTE (OotP @ Chp. 21, The Eye of the Snake) |
| "Well obviously, she's feeling very sad, because of Cedric dying. Then I expect she's feeling confused because she liked Cedric and now she likes Harry, and she can't work out who she likes best. Then she'll be feeling guilty, thinking it's an insult to Cedric's memory to be kissing Harry at all, and she'll be worrying about what everyone else might say about her if she starts going out with Harry. And she probably can't work out what her feelings toward Harry are anyway, because he was the one who was with Cedric when Cedric died, so that's all very mixed up and painful. Oh, and she's afraid she's going to be thrown off the Ravenclaw Quidditch team because she's been flying so badly." A slightly stunned silence greeted the end of this speech, then Ron said, "One person can't feel all that at once, they'd explode." "Just because you've the got the emotional range of a teaspoon doesn't mean we all have," said Hermione nastily, picking upher quill once again. |
It sounds like she knows some of this from first-hand experience: she is very sad because of the danger Harry is in; she is torn between Harry (who she knows she likes more and is better for her) and Ron (who has a crush on her, and she might have one on him
); and everything else. Then when Ron says that if they were feeling all of that at once, they'd explode, Hermione responds "nastily," meaning that she finds insult in the fact that Ron thinks that she would explode (thereby backing up our evidence that this is first-hand).2) But I think the more likely option is that Hermione is embarrassed, like Parvati Patil, when Ron snogs Lavender:
| QUOTE (HBP @ Chp. 15, The Unbreakable Vow) |
| "Hi, Harry," said Parvati who, like him, looked faintly embarrassed and bored by the behavior of their two friends. |
She could also be annoyed that one of her best friends is ignoring her. Also, she was under the impression that Ron has liked her from the Yule Ball, but when she found out that Ron was with another girl, she thinks that Ron does not think she is pretty enough to go out with(the Yule Brawl all over again
). She is not hoping that Ron will go out with her, she only hopes that even he thinks her pretty enough to distract him from Lavender. But when she recieves comfirmation of her worst fears, she begins to think that even Viktor might not have found her pretty either, that he only wanted her brains. So she then gets all emotional, until Harry goes looking for her and she realizes that he cares for her .Sorry that I have rambled on a bit, but I've got to make my point, right?
Earendil_Mithrandir
| QUOTE (Earendil_Mithrandir @ Dec 26 2005, 07:58 PM) |
| Hello everybody! I have just gotten back from watching GoF (for the first time ), and I am surprised, even though many warnings and disclaimers were screamed at me, at the number of scenes that were cut in the movie (id est= Hermione's kiss, Winky/Dobby, the Dursley's, et alia) and scenes that were in the trailers, but were cut from the film in the end. The Yule Brawl in the movie looked a bit like some Shakespearean tragedy! Yet I still feel that GoF was more of a H/Hr book/movie than a R/Hr one.I was wondering if anyone has yet explained Ron's "I love you" in HBP, and if so, if they could tell me what those explanations are? I think that I may have found something, but I do not want to make a complete fool of myself if this is common knowledge among Harmonians. I am also debating as to whether or not to start a H/Hr FanFic. See you all soon! Earendil_Mithrandir |
hey!
i think that......ron & hermione make a good you-know-what and harry is much like ginny. after all ginny is harry's gf. i can't say more.........umm........but i do think that making fanfic will be a good idea.
bubye!
MOD EDIT : Then I'm afraid you're in the wrong thread. This one is for H/Hr supporters only. If you want to talk about R/Hr, then please do so in their thread.
| QUOTE (Earendil_Mithrandir @ Dec 26 2005, 07:58 PM) |
| Hello everybody! I have just gotten back from watching GoF (for the first time ), and I am surprised, even though many warnings and disclaimers were screamed at me, at the number of scenes that were cut in the movie (id est= Hermione's kiss, Winky/Dobby, the Dursley's, et alia) and scenes that were in the trailers, but were cut from the film in the end. The Yule Brawl in the movie looked a bit like some Shakespearean tragedy! Yet I still feel that GoF was more of a H/Hr book/movie than a R/Hr one.I was wondering if anyone has yet explained Ron's "I love you" in HBP, and if so, if they could tell me what those explanations are? I think that I may have found something, but I do not want to make a complete fool of myself if this is common knowledge among Harmonians. I am also debating as to whether or not to start a H/Hr FanFic. See you all soon! Earendil_Mithrandir |
'personally i think you behaved admirably','i finished last,hermione!',' next to last!fleur never got past ze grindylows'...
i think the movie somehow accentuated the harry/hermione elements already present in the book,but seeing the actors dan n emma play the character roles so soo well seem to tell me tht anyhow a harry/hermione romantic r'ship is possible-even a little-though not in the books.
hermione's kiss-to whom-i mean once ontop of harry's head after 2nd task-love it!but too short!it wasn't in the book-i wish she did kiss harry on d cheek too,like the book at d end of gof.
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| QUOTE (hermionegranger88 @ Dec 30 2005, 02:15 PM) |
| 'personally i think you behaved admirably','i finished last,hermione!',' next to last!fleur never got past ze grindylows'... i think the movie somehow accentuated the harry/hermione elements already present in the book,but seeing the actors dan n emma play the character roles so soo well seem to tell me tht anyhow a harry/hermione romantic r'ship is possible-even a little-though not in the books. |
yea its true the ship between harry and hermione was so obvious in the movies but not in the book...but it the books that matter isnt it.. i mean the movies are aways much different but the book is the story that actuall yis happening...
There are times when I wish that the Powers-that-be at Warner Bros. "buy out" JKR and write the scripts that have Harry and Hermione getting together romantically. The movies have done a great job of H/Hr to date, but HBP is going to be challenging. The movie-goers who have NEVER read the HP books are going to be confused when they watch H/G kissing that's for sure. They'll probably even hiss and boo at that scene! So, if the movies turn out to be H/Hr, and not the novels, then I say, "So be it!" I'll just have the movie DVDs on my book shelves instead of the HP novels. I'll gladly donate my HP novels to my local library!
I agree with you DW (hope it's ok to call you that). All those non-readers who see the movies are definitely going to be wondering what the **** they're watching! Everyone I know that has only seen the movies (and there's quite a few) are completely convinced it'll be Harry and Hermione, they didn't believe me when I told them about the book-that-shall-not-be-named. I can't count how many times I've heard "but that's the only way the story makes sense, what's the point of anyone else getting together?". *sigh* I know, I know.
On another note, I keep the movies and the books in seperate places, actually they're on different floors of the house. They seem like seperate things to me in a way. lol.
On another note, I keep the movies and the books in seperate places, actually they're on different floors of the house. They seem like seperate things to me in a way. lol.
but the movies and books are completely different in a way because even though the movie is based on the book, it is much shorter and different....i dont blame those people who only watch the movie but if you know people like that advise them to read the book then they will understand....but the book is more important to me..afterall its what th movie was made from and its what really happened..!!
then they will understand....but the book is more important to me..afterall its what th movie was made from and its what really happened..!!
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