We know that each horcrux requires a murder. So heres what I've got

The Cup - Hepzibah Smith
The Locket - Hepzibah Smith(?)
The Ring - Morphin
The Snake - The Potters(?)
The Diary - Moaning Myrtle(?)
Something of Gryffindors/Ravenclaw - (?)

I know he killed a ton of people, but who's would be important enough for the Gryffindor/Ravenclaw object. And can 1 murder account for two horcruxes. Were the Potters perhaps the death that accounted the gryffindor object? They did live in Godrics Hollow. But then who did he kill for the snake? What about the Riddles? What object could he have murdered them for? And would Moaning Myrtles Murder be considered Voldemorts, or the basilisks? What are your thoughts?

Good questions
We know from Slughorn's proper memory that when a person kills another that their soul is torn, so ifless you destroy more than one life with one action (ex: explosion, structural collapse), than I think one murder will tear one segment of the murder's soul.
I agree Moaning Myrtle and Hepzibah Smith's deaths were capitalized by Voldemort. Myrtle because she was probably his first murdered victim, Madam Smith because she is a descendent of Helga Hufflepuff, his Founder counterpart.
I'm not too sure about Morfin. Voldemort brainwashed him, and framed his uncle into a life sentence in Azkaban. Would his soul be torn from indirect death?

I don't know about the last two. I'd have to look back in the OotP to see who Moody was telling Harry Voldemort killed himself. There may be a twist to the Horocurx. If Voldemort couldn't find someone worthy enough to kill to make the final Horocurx, he waited for Madamme Bones and made his collection of Horocurx's comeplete. This may not be right its just a therory. For all I know they are people we haven't even been introduced to yet.

Here is what I think:

The Cup: Hepzibah Smith
The Locket: ?
The Ring: Tom Riddle
The Snake: Frank Bryce (I think this is his name)
The Diary: His Grandparents
The Unknown Horcrux: ?

Lets not forget that he really never killed Moaning Myrtle. Myrtle died because she looked into the Basilisk's eyes. Voldemort never committed the murder himself. Also, remember that Dumbledore said he was desperate for making his last Horcrux, so when he killed Frank (the Muggle at beginning of GoF), he produced his last Horcrux. I believed Voldemort said to his snake that it was "time to eat." Its possible.

Yeah, the murder that went with Nagini was Frank Bryce, that old guy he killed in the first chapter of GoF. Dumbledore said that he thought it was so. And we know that he probably used his father and grandparents on one or more of them, too, probably the ring. He could have used Hepzibah, but he might not have. Other than that, it's really impossible to say.

Ok, to recap, my memory has finally caught up with my mind!!!

I forgot about the Snake and Frank Bryce, so that fixes some things. To those of you who don't believe that the Snake is a horcrux, remember that Harry often saw through the Snakes eyes. This is most likely because Voldemort is inside the Snake.

So heres the lineup

Ring - (?)
Cup - Hepzibah Smith (?)
Locket - (?)
Snake - Frank Bryce
Gryffindor/Ravenclaws - Potters(?)
Diary - Tom Riddle
DD said that this was the first horcrux, so it would be the first person he killed, wouldn't it?

I'm going to look up all murders he commited!! Remember, they have to be important

You're right El Verte Veritas...this gets complicated along with your other threads...which is always a good thing because they make you think.

I have a feeling the ring has to do with Tom Riddle, Sr...."Then he returned to the Gaunt hovel, performed the complex bit of magic that would implant a false memory on his uncle's mind, laid Morfin's wand beside its unconscious owner, pocketed the ancient ring he wore, and departed." Just a subtle feeling I guess, not that the quote really proves anything. Voldemort could have departed to anywhere...or just back to the Riddle house to place his father's soul into it.

The cup most likely has to do with Hepzibah Smith like most of you have said. But some also say the locket...BOTH? That would mean she had two souls...which she didn't...so the locket had to be someone else's murder. Does anyone remember (think her name was Bertha Jorkins?) Her murder was talked about in GoF, think she died in Africa. If Voldemort was desperate...the snake makes sense...but also remember Dumbledore was using pure "speculation" most of the way. He knew of four horcruxes...two of those destroyed. The other two could have been created throughout the books. One including the snake and the other something else (of Gryffindor's or Ravenclaw's).

Diary couldn't have been Mrytle because the snake got her...like you all said. So if the diary was created while he was in school (somehow verifying this through Chamber of Secrets. Hasn't Hagrid been living there since he was 13 (says so in HBP) Were they in the same year?...either way...created in school...but not the first....or it is the first but the next one was coming within his remaining time at Hogwarts...the ring. Harry has a thought when viewing the Pensieve that Voldemort already killed his father. That means that the ring has to do with his father, or another...but not the diary.

About the snake: Dumbledore said "As we know, he failed (he was talking to Harry about Voldemort trying to kill Harry...US pg. 506) After an interval of some years, however, he used Nagini to kill an old Muggle man, and it might then have occurred to him to turn her into his last horcrux."

See what I mean. Confusing.

I don't believe that the ring was done with either Morfin or Tom Riddle, Sr. This is because Voldemort was wearing the ring already when he asked Slughorn about horcruxes. Therefore, Voldemort did not know how to create a horcrux at the time of those murders.

I'm also not sure that Hepzibah was used for either of the objects stolen from her. Hepzibah had enchantments placed over those objects to protect them from theft, and I think it more likely that Voldemort killed her and then spent some time to break the enchantments properly, rather than breaking them before killing her. On the other hand, if he felt it was important for the cup to be associated with the death of the Hufflepuff line (am I right in remembering that Hepzibah was related?) then he may have convinced her to show them to him again.... so overall, this is possible, but maybe not as straightforward as people are assuming.

In general, I believe that thoughts regarding using the Potters (they defied him three times) and Death Eaters who'd betrayed him are on the right track. Voldemort would enjoy deriving his power from people who defied him.

I thought along the same lines. He didn't know how to create a horcrux until after he talked to Slughorn. However, he still had committed murder. By Slughron's explanation, murder rips the soul. Voldemort's soul was ripped, just not in Horcruxes yet. I thought the enchantments were on the hiding place, not the objects themselves. Like hiding money in a bank....putting the enchantment on the bank, not the money, in case the money were destroyed or altered in getting the enchantment off.

oh, I'm not denying that the ring was made into a horcrux, or that he would have enjoyed wearing it before it was a horcrux. I am only pointing out that by the time he found out about horcruxes, he had already killed his father, and Morfin died in Azkaban. He would have had to perform the horcrux spell when he killed his father in order to use his murder to create the horcrux, which he could not have done, since he did not know how to perform the spell at the time of the murder. Additionally, since the object of hurcruxes is to keep them safe in the event that their originator is killed, he would not have been wearing the ring if it were a horcrux already, supporting the evidence that it was not made through Riddle Sr.'s murder.

Right object, wrong murder.

Here's the question again: He had already killed his father and grandparents (at least) before hearing about the horcruxes from Slughorn. Would it matter, like I said before, if he learned about them or not...he still had killed...killing splits the soul (just killing(?) or murder). He just didn't put it in horcruxes. Therefore his soul was split in four (his father, grandparents, and the original soul part...is that right? Has to be from Dumbledore's explanation of horcruxes.

Known deaths: Tom Riddle, Sr.; his two grandparents on the Riddle side, Hepzibah Smith, James Potter, Lily Potter, and Frank Bryce. However, did the snake kill Frank...would that wind up being the same scenario of Moaning Myrtle where the basilisk really killed her?

If it goes by those deaths, and by the first part of this, then I believe it to be this now...

Tom Riddle, Sr: the ring
Grandparent 1: the diary
Grandparent 2: the locket
Hepzibah Smith: the cup
Lily Potter: something of Gyffindor's or Ravenclaw's
James Potter: something of Gryffindor's or Ravenclaw's
Frank Bryce: the snake

Like I said, I don't think the time frame really matters. But if we're correct that the snake really killed Frank then he couldn't have been the murder for that horcrux, which could possibly make Bertha Jorkins...the woman murdered and read about in GoF a possibibility. However, Dumbledore even said that Voldemort USED the snake to kill the "Muggle man" so its a possibility either way. Also, Dumbledore I believe said that Voldemort was desperate for a final horcrux...this could eliminate Lily and James Potter...or else he would have been desperate then...we also know (I think) that it took him a year to either track down or ponder on the prophecy and figure out it was Harry or assumed it meant him. If my theory is the case, he went to murder Lily, James, and Harry one or two horcruxes short of his goal of seven.(four being the known ones, another being Voldemort himself)-----I don't know----

In Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix, when Moody is showing Harry, the photo of the original Order of the Phoenix personnel, he mentions someone - a female - that Voldermont himself killed. I can't remember exactly who but she could be as Horcrux as it was also noted that Voldermont only kills really important people such as Harry's parents.

I just looked it up...it was Dorcas Meadows...also talks about Marlene McKnnon (she was killed along with her whole family: not by Voldemort though). Marlene and her family were killed while the original Order was around...Moody said Sirius was in the Order...so it had to be between when he graduated and framed for killing Peter Pettigrew. So Dorcas Meadows has been added to the list, along with her family. However, Moody specifically says her name, so she is the most important of that family. If I go by that logic, then the Riddle grandparents can be taken off the list. Wheres El Verte Veritas?

You might ask why Voldemort didn't create more horcruxes if he killed more than seven people...remember that he believes that seven is the most powerful magical number.

here's Bertha Jorkins http://www.hp-lexicon.org/wizards/bertha.html

she was killed before Frank Bryce. If we go by Dumbledore's word, then Frank can't be a murder for a horcrux since Frank was suposedly the last death for it...but the snake horcrux could have just as easily came from him. Thinking about it, I'm also taking Lily and James off as horcrux murders, he didn't have the time or the power to create a horcrux after their deaths...immediatley at least until GoF. Any person killed thereafter by Voldemort himself could potentially be a horcrux murder because of the soul still being split. So it still could be Lily and James or Frank, Bertha...it really could be anyone he's killed since all it does is split the soul...would the parts of his souls be labeled with those he's murdered?

Nevertheless:

Bertha Jorkins.........Snake
Hepzibah Smith.......Cup
Tom Riddle, Sr........Diary

the two Gryffindor/Ravenclaw objects, locket, and ring I'll have to think about some more now.

Deaths so far by Voldemort (that we know of and add more that I don't know about).....Frank Bryce, Lily Potter, James Potter, Hepzibah Smith, his Riddle grandparents, Tom Riddle, Sr., Dorcas Meadows, her family (not sure if the whole family was killed by Voldemort), Bertha Jorkins, and Ameila Bones...Cedric was really killed by Pettigrew, Myrtle by the basilisk (same thing with Frank once again, up for debate).

I'm back, at last. Busy at the office you see, seven raids, seven raids !!! Anyhow I am now able to read some replies, that were both interesting and at times confusing . Although according to crsdba, I have nothing to complain about "cough, Seven Four and More, cough cough". Hakuna Matata!!! At any rate, let me kind of lay it on the table.

Death's Positively by Voldemort Himself, that could have been horcrux murders.:
1. Tom Riddle Sr.
2. Tom Riddle Sr. Sr. (Is that right?)
Tom Riddle Sr. Sr.'s Wife
3. Hepzibah Smith
4. Frank Bryce (Why do you not think VD killed him? Don't understand...)
5. Dorcas Meadows (Dorcas=Gazelle in Greek, does this mean anything? ?)
6. Bertha Jorkins

Does that seem in order for everyone

Then the last murder we have to go into speculation. Although I think it is save to say it would be more helpful to find out who that is, than bother assembling each horcrux to a certain one...

I was, or still am confused about Frank Bryce's death. Did the snake kill him, like Mrytle, or did Voldemort himself kill him. Remember, Frank never saw a physical body of Voldemort, all he heard was his voice. Could Voldemort kill in the same state as he was in SS/PS, or am I just forgetting that he's in a different state.

Do you, El Verte Veritas, get what I'm saying. He still had split his soul before he knew about the horcruxes. Murder splits the soul with or without horcruxes. Would that make any death, unless the soul-that-is-split has some sort of label or face of the victim on it, a cause for a horcrux? Do you also agree about Lily and James not being horcrux murders...if the above statement is true?

Tom Riddle, Sr., Sr? LOL
wouldn't that make Tom Riddle Jr.'s father Tom Riddle, Jr. and the Tom Riddle, Jr. we know would be Tom Riddle II.......????

I don't think Moaning Myrtle counts as a significant death: it wasn't planned and it wasn't Voldemort that did it, it was the basilisk. Quite possibly there are other significant deaths that we don't know about, since obviously no can can give a memory if they are dead.
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This is my interpretation on how a Horcrux is made:

1 soul + 1 murder = 1/2 soul, 1/2 soul.

1/2 soul + locket/ring/teacup + incantation = Horcrux.

1/2 soul + 1 murder = 1/4 soul, 1/4 soul.

1/4 soul + locket/ring/teacup + incantation = Horcrux.

And so on and so forth.
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And I suppose that a Horcrux must be made by reciting a home-made spell, if the item you are making a Horcrux with is supposed to be significant.

I think I get what you're saying R3D...is it that the soul keeps getting weaker...or lesser? So one horcrux has more of a soul in it? Then which ever has more of a soul in it must be protected even more. Maybe the first horcrux he made was the most powerful...being the diary? The diary would be the most powerful, besides Voldemort himself, because...if your theory proves true, it has the most...or it should have the most because of how it interacts with the world around it (Ginny).

Then what does this mean? Does it mean that the horcruxes made later are more powerful...in an enchantment sort of way...like the ring and Dumbledore's hand. If the locket in Grimmauld Place is a horcrux then it mustn't have much of a soul in it because they could pick it up and everything......I think "...a heavy locket that none of them could open..." (OotP US Pg.116)

the snake, nagini, dumbledore said wasn't a horecrux and dumbledore also said that making a living think a horcrux was very difficult

I suppose in theory you said could make an infinite amount of Horcruxes, being each they powerful. I think you made a good point in saying that the more Horcruxes you make, the less powerful they become. Assuming the diary was the first, it allowed him to project an image of him at 16-17, after Slughorn told him about them. If the locket found at Grimmauld Place is indeed the Horcrux it would have limited magical properties, possibily not being able to open it the only one.

Voldemort is quite possibly now that most powerful wizard alive, now that Dumbledore is dead. I doubt there is a lot he can't do; he's practically immortal.

Yeah, I guess in theory they would get weaker...or have less of a soul based on your theory. Dumbledore was always talking about 1/7 of a soul. Of course, this can be interpreted a couple ways. Simply a seventh...all equal...or a seventh...on your theory. I'll go with yours. So the diary might be the first and therefore the most powerful one, or the ring...(has to be one of those because those are the only two we've dealt with or heard about...real ones(locket)). If thats true, then it could add more of struggle in book 7!

Whats your theory on the horcrux murders?

i think that the snake is one just because of what DD said that he had an unsualy amount of control over it.

Hmm...didn't Dumbledore say that Voldemort only created horcruxes from significant murders? If that's the case, then I don't see the murder of Frank Bryce as being important enough to create one. Voldemort killed him, yes, but only because he was there. I do see the death of Moaning Mertle as being significant because it was Slytherin's monster that killed, marking her as proof almost of his heritage. The rest I pretty much agree with.

DOES THE SOUL LEAVE A LABEL OF WHO THE MURDERER KILLED? How would we know which part of the soul is in which object for sure? Unless Voldemort killed that person then immediatly placed that portion in the desired object. But we know he killed more than six or seven times. If he killed the first time...place it in a horcrux...killed again...but this time didn't place it in a horcrux....then killed a third time...FOLLOWING!? His soul is still split three times....or four?...confused again! This is just an example. The first portion would for sure be in a horcrux...lets just say the first person he killed was his father. The second...lets say his grandfather...BUT DIDN'T PLACE IT IN A HORCRUX...this would go for his grandmother too. So the soul is in pieces after killing the father, and grandparents. But only one part is in a horcrux. He goes to kill again, Hepzibah Smith (in theory), and places a part of his soul in a horcrux. How would he, we, or anybody else know that the portion of the soul in THAT horcrux came from the murder of Hepzibah Smith or one of his grandparents. Wouldn't it need some sort of label? What if in the wizarding world a murder left an imprint on the split soul...like the victims' face...or name or something. It certainly would make everything I just wrote less confusing!

If the basilisk killed Moaning Murtle by looking her directly in the eyes, then Voldemort/Tom Riddle didn't actually kill her. And I don't think Voldemort would consider Hepzibah Smith that important, unless it had something to do with blood. Possibly he wanted to kill an heir of each of the Hogwarts founders, and then form Horcruxes using objects that had belonged to the 4 founders.

Also, Voldemort didn't plan to murder Harry's parents, or at least not Harry's mother. So he didn't likely use Lily's death as a Horcrux, because he said that he wouldn't have even killed her if she would have given Harry to him. But it is possible that James was an heir of Godric Gryfindor, and Voldemort wanted to use him to make a Horcrux.

I did think about the death of Cedric Diggory, but Voldemort didn't plan on him showing up so he could hardly have been a Horcrux murder. And Wormtail may have used Voldemort's wand to kill him, because wasn't there alot of wand switching without any spells back- fireing in the shreiking shack in PoA? And also, Neville uses his father's old wand for the first 5 books.

I think:
1. The Diary- His Father/ Tom Riddle Sr.
2. The Ring- Morfin (Could he be killed if he was in Azkaban?)
3. The teacup- Hepzibah Smith
4.- The Locket-
5.-Something of Gryfindors or Ravenclaws- James Potter
6.-Possibly Nagini the Snake- Frank Brice or Bertha Jorkins (I doubt he would use Nagini, Frank, or Bertha unless he was desperate for the last Horcrux)

1. Voldemort / Locked Room / Mirror
2. Ring / Circle Room/Troll – Tom Riddle Sr.
3. Diary / Time Room / Fluffy – Moaning Myrtle (?)
4. Locket / Brain Room / Potions – Relative or friend of R.A.B. (?)
5. Snake / Planet Room / Chess – Frank Bryce
6. Cup / Veil Room / Devils Snare – Hepzibah Smith
7. Gryffindor / Prophecy Room / Keys – James Potter

What this helps us figure out is that, whatever the Gryffindor object is belonged to James Potter. And that item once belonged to Godric Gryffindor. What Voldemort did was kill a descendant, and take an item from that descendant that came from the original founder. This was done to Hepzibah Smith first. And since Voldemort was unaware of a Slytherin descendant, he killed his father. Later on he found out that Moaning Myrtle was another descendant, and lost his meaning of importance, and hated that. Then he used the basilisk to kill her. Nagini belonged to Voldemort, who could not kill himself, so killed the only person who represented his past. Frank Bryce. He had an item from each of the founders, except Gryffindor or Ravenclaw. This brought an idea, in order to get that item, he would have to have killed James Potter. His murder was significant, so it would seem likely that his murder caused a horcrux. This is further proved by the symbolism. The key room represents the prophecy room that represents James Potter. In order to get the keys, you had to fly, which was what James was best at. And in order to make the keys fly, you needed charms, anyone remember what Lily’s wand was for?J We are getting somewhere!!!

Voldemort killed James Potter, because he was the last descendant of Godric (Godrics Hollow, remember). This means that an item that belonged to Gryffindor, belonged to James also. And that item became a horcrux, after Voldemort killed James. So what are the only possessions we know that James Potter had:

Invisibility Cloak

Notice how this is his only possession mentioned that he had… and how it passed through generations (Rowling on an AOL conversation), and notice how DD had it put in his possession after James died. Maybe DD thought Voldemort would use this as a horcrux… Maybe he did….

This is a crazy theory, I know. And it would be difficult to explain how Voldemort would have made the invisibility cloak a horcrux, and why it isn’t “weird & possessed”. However, I’m almost sure that the last horcrux, that belonged to Gryffindor, later belonged to James Potter… Actually I’m 100% positive. And I think that whatever that item is, will be the title to the next book.

wait a sec can u guys tell me if im worng but didnt voldy make the horcrxes before his downfall??? and he killed frank bryce in the fourth book so i dont think frank bryce accounted as one of the deaths that made a horcrux and same with lily and james. voldy had to have made his horcruxes before he went to kill the potters. and i dun think myrtle was either seeing as she was not killed by voldy directly but by the basilisk. but the four that remain i believe are apart of the horcurx muders

hepizbah smith
tom riddle senior
voldys grandma
voldys grandpa
?????????????
?????????????
?????????????

im gonna search night and day till i can fill in those last three blanks

Always happy to entertain a theory but I think this is a bit tenuous - I think the general consensus is that Voldemort palnned to use Harry's murder to create the horcrux, not James'.

He might well has used James' after this had he not been given a whooping by the boy Potter - and well administered it was too!

Amelia Bones would be an obvious contender if LV had to make more Horcruxes - question is, how many times can you split a soul before it becomes worthless?

i once again say that i doubt it was james or lily or harry because voldy had probably started making his horcruxes when he tryed to get a job back at hogwarts so its highly doubtfull that any of the potters were used as horcruxes and lily's and james' death for that matter

Good argument salazar55...but can you tell us where it said that? If you looked...another death that you don't have down are Bertha Jorkins. I_Heart_Harry...I think Morfin just died of natural causes or something in Azkaban. What was brought up before was that splitting decreases that "power" of each part of the soul. The first would be the strongest...then decrease as it was split...just in theory of course. If it goes like that, then the more people you kill the less powerfull...or potent, the soul part would be. Maybe thats how Voldemort has sort of "labeled" them...which has me lost!

i over looked the fact that voldy did kill frank i thought it was the snake and in the chapter entitled horcruxes dumby says that before voldy wnet to kill the potters he was stillone horcrux short... so frank was the last person killed to make a horcrux...so it was my bad so i apoligise.. but i still stick with the other part of my theory that says that lily and james were not apart of the horcrux murders putting my list at

hepizbah smith
tom riddle senior
voldys grandma
voldys grandpa
frank bryce
???????????
???????????


and moaning myrle was not apart since she was killed by the basilisk for everyone who believes she was murdered by voldy

now who are the last two???????

The last one could be Frank Bryce or Bertha Jorkins. I know...Frank Bryce represented his past...however, Bertha Jorkins stumbled upon a plan (the cup that would transport Harry to Voldemort and led to Voldemort's knowledge that his most faithful...Crouch, Jr., was still helping him) which could also have significance...but I agree that it is Frank...again with the labels if anyone is following me on that subject. Oh yeah, don't forget about Dorcas Meadows who was brought up before...maybe even someone from the Bones family BEFORE Voldemort's downfall...AFTER does not count, such as Amilia Bones.

I was thinking that too, but then consider this. Maybe Voldemort had planned to kill James, because he was Godrics heir. The only thing I’m saying is Voldemort had to have had a reason to want to kill James, and not Lily. I think what he did was he was already thinking of killing James for the last horcrux, and so when he heard the prophecy, his son was the first thought. Voldemort didn’t lose his powers after he killed James. He lost his power after he killed Harry. He could have killed James, made the horcrux, then killed Harry. That’s what could have happened.
As far as where the horcrux is now, that’s what I wonder. Lets say Voldemort had the item to bring with him, after he killed Harry. And when it didn’t work, and he “dematerialized”, would he have dropped it on the Potters house floor. Or could he have taken the horcrux with him?
Heres my final word, unless someone disagrees with this.

Diary – Moaning Myrtle
Ring – Tom Riddle Sr.
Locket – Dorcas Meadows
Cup – Hepzibah Smith
Snake – Frank Bryce
Something of Gryffindors – James Potter

This also fits with Rowlings idea of male/female equality, if you notice all the teachers at Hogwarts, its equal.

im sorry but i dun remember a dorucs meadows or ever reading about her can someone plz tell me where i can find some info on her in the books plzzz...

Dorcas Meadows was talked about briefly by Moody in the chapter in OotP in which Harry was just released of charges....not sure which pages though.

I don't know...I don't think the death of Mrytle caused a horcrux...or whatever...could it be someone else that we don't know about? I agree with the others El Verte Veritas

Just to add something: there was a thread that was shut down called The Final Horcrux. To sum it up...salazar55 was saying that the last horcrux...or one of the last two...was the mirror. I added that it could be the sorting hat (El Verte Veritas' theory). Maybe you could add more salazar55, if I missed anything you didn't write.

Hey, maybe no one's really thought of this, but could there possibly be more than 7 horcruxes?? anything's possible...

Hi there princesspeach2008 and welcome to the vtm forums.

If you check out this thread here, it will give you a list of all the Horcrux threads on vtm, we don't have one dealing with the possibility of there being more than seven but if you want to open one it would have to be detailed, including why you believe there could be more than seven Horcruxs and why you thing Dumbledore’s presumption was wrong. This is because as you can see we have quite a few Horcrux threads and posting a sentence or two will most likely lead us to things we've already covered in other threads. and it will be closed down.

Also I'm going to have to ask you to edit your signature as its is three lines over the five line limit we set here at vtm for reasons why please visit the rules page where you will find a topic entitled signature rules .

Now back to the topic at hand. The Horcrux murders.

one thing is sure that moaning myrtle was not used for making the the horcrux because voldemort didnt knew at tht time how to make a horcrux.
also even after he possesed the ring he didnt knew about horcruxes, maybe he knew how to create a horcrux at that time but wasnt sure about multiple horcruxes. at that time he was looking as handsome as ever , however after ten yrs interval he was looking very different, this is an indication. we dont know how soon after a murder can a horcrux can be made.
i dont think nagini is a horcrux, maybe it was a clue to harry by dumbly dorr that animals can also be horcrux( fawkes)
also had slughorn created a horcrux ever?[FONT=Courier][COLOR=red]

I liked what El Verte Veritas said:

Ring-Morfin
Cup-Hepzibah Smith
Locket- Possilby someone who lived with him at the orphanage
Dairy-Either Moaning Myertal (if he killed her after his talk with Slughorn) or one of his other school mates after leaving hogworts.
Snake-Frank Bryce
Something Gryfindor/Ravenclaw- Someone who defied him from Gryfindor or Ravenclaw ( possibly the potters)
Body- ???

there is 1 thing i was confused about. can a horcrux be unmade?
in book 4 voldys spells were reversed and wormtails hand was gone after prori incantetum due to harrys wand so if he made any horcruxes after lilys death were they destroyed?
plz sumbody pay attention that in ten yrs time voldy was disfigured n his handsome look was lost.also do the death eaters know about horcruxes?
thnx padfoot313,
i hope they put complete horcrux discussion in one group

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Ok, deaths that Voldemort did, before Harry situation.

Dorcas Meadows - Something of Ravenclaws
Tom Riddle Sr.- Diary
Tom Riddle Sr. Sr. - Ring
Tom Riddle Sr. Sr's Wife - Locket
Hepzibah Smith - Cup
Lily Potter - Himself
James Potter - Something of Gryffindor's

Whoa! Whoa! Whoa! We are only sure of Seven of them, and there are seven horcruxes. Wow, how confusing.

So Nagini was a bust, a hint from DD. A hint that horcruxes can be made into animals, and if done, that the person has control ove the animal. Another forum might use this as proof that Fawkes is DD horcrux...

At any rate, do you guys agree with this?

Also would he have only had to have killed 6 people or seven for the horcruxes? Still confused on that one...

Hepzibah smith was killed for the helga hufflepuffs cup and posession of the locket

voldemorts grandparents were also killed ? for the snake nagani

tom riddle senior for the diary

morphin gaunt for the salazaar slytherins ring

harrys parents for rowena ravenclaws mirror of erised (desire backwards) mirror has clawed feet and harrys parents both appear in it

there is one murder that could be significant that of regulus black in ootp page 104 sirius tells harry he was murdered by voldemort and on page 108 as they are cleaning the come across a heavy locket they cannot open ? a horcrux ? the missing one? the blacks are pure bloods and full of death eaters

was the last powerful death to split voldemoerts soul andcreate a horcrux harry????? which backfired big time and is voldemort so keen
to get harry because he has not go the whole magical powerful seven horcruxes????

think on