when i read for the second time the half blood prince, I think that the fight Harry against snape make no sense. 3 years before with a the single "expelliarmus" spell Harry put Snape Ko! And in the beginning of the book with a simple shield charm he knocked off balance snape who hit a desk. So for me the fight againt Snape is something that I can't undertand...

and then I have an idea... a brilliant one I hope!

Perhaps Snape drink the luck potion, felix felicis! It make sense: Ginny say it herself: the potion save their lives that night: the spells of the dead eaters miss them and they survive.

So I read again the fight of the prince carefully and I read this:
(the first harry spell against snape during the fight:) "harry tore past Hagrid and his oponent, took aim at snape's back and yelled:"stupefy!"... he missed!
and after that, Snape face Harry, and like Ginny, blocked all the harry curses.

And an other thing: Harry was not able to say a spell entirely after that: an exemple: he say "stupe-" but can't finished. Like Ginny snape had a lot of chance that night. 3 years before with a single "expelliarmus!" Harry defeated him...

If i am right and Snape drink the luck potion, the interesting question is why? Was it dumbledore who ordered him to do that, to protect him against harry? Do he fear that Harry could kill Snape that night or draco? Possible...

the behavior of Snape was strange to. After to have killed dumbledore, he run away as fast as he could with Draco. Was he affraid of something? He acted like a man who try to escape someone... strange. At the end, when he loose control, because Harry tel him he is a coward, Buckbeack attack him and he just escaped by... luck again.

Well to explain his behavior a lot of people say that snape act on Dumbledore orders et I belive that they are probably right. But the fact that snape drink felix felicis to save his live and Draco's, they don't think about it. But in the book the effects of Felix felicis, in the case of a fight are discribed (by Ginny, Ron) and what happen during te Harry-Snape fight, seems the same to me.

And you what do you think? I am curious, i am the only one who think that?

(PS: I really appologise for my english. I don't use to write in that language)

PS2: I just realise that the best place for this post is in "Who Is Snape Really" So I post it there. Sorry to have open this topic.
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No, I honestly don't think Snape took some Felix Felicis. Snape, in my opinion, is one of the best wizards in the series. I am starting to think he is up on the list, maybe not as high as Voldemort and Dumbledore, but he is up there.

First off, if memory serves me right, Snape was attacked by Harry, Ron, and Hermione in PoA using the Expelliarmus spell. Being attacked be three people at once, especially when Snape's wand is on Sirius, it is pretty hard to blokck all three spells.

Now, Snape escaping Buckbeak is just luck from nowhere. I mean, you can get lucky once in a while without drinking a ption. Look at Harry, how many times does he get lucky in all six books? More than anyone can count.

As for Snape blocking all of Harry's spells, lets not forget that Snape is an accomplished Legellimens and was reading Harry's mind as he was saying the spells. So he knew when to block. When Harry missed with the Stupefy, Harry could have missed aim. I mean it is hard to hit your target when your chasing someone.

Like I said, Snape didn't drink Felix Felicis. He is just a really great wizard.

yeah, Harry can sometimes manage to fight Snape, for example during Occlumeny lessons he saw what's in Snape's mind, even Snape was surprised.

I think there was no need to drink Lucky Potion to fight Harry, I simply think that he's a quick guy and when he was attacked by 3 people at once- and out of a sudden- he couldn't manage. Here he wasn't attacked suddenly, he knew Harry would be trying to attack him in some way.

I think you make a good point. Even though, Snape is an accomplished wizard, he did have his life on the line if any harm came to Draco.

Snape is also gifted at potion making, so there's a possibility he brewed some for himself. Also, we learn that Snape was down in the dungeons when the fight broke out. Now, if Snape is the Defense Against the Dark Arts professor, what is he doing down in Slughorn's classroom? Some people think that he was avoiding the fight, but there are a lot of rooms in Hogwarts and he could have been hiding anywhere.

It does seem a little odd how easily he was able to dodge spells, especially since he must have been worried about him and Draco getting away. He seemed very confident in a high-pressure situation and JKR uses the description "with a lazy flick of his wand" to describe Snape's blocks against Harry's spells. We learn that Harry knew not to drink the wine when he took Felix Felicis, so in turn Snape knew what to anticipate.

Not to be of topic, but the exact wording from Prisoner of Azkaban, chapter 19, page 361, it states:

"Expelliarmus!" he yelled- except that his wasn't the only voice that shouted...

"...Harry looked around. Both Ron and Hermione had tried to disarm Snape at exactly the same moment."


It might be possible that Snape had taken some Felix, though, I still believe that he didn't and he was blocking on pure skill. I think Snape might be a better wizard than we all think. Like Snape said, even Harry's dad wouldn't take on him unless it was four on one. I think that Snape might have been able to take on James and we all know how great of a wizard James was. Snape also invented the spells HArry was using so he knows how to block them easily. As for Harry missing the Stupey, it could have been poor aim.

Harry tried to use elementry spells against Snape, as well as spells Snape invented. Snape is a master of defending against the dark arts, otherwise DD wouldn't have put him in the position he craved so much. Finally, as an accomplished Legillmans, he could "hear" what spells Harry was planning to throw before he could even throw them. I think these are the reasons Snape could fend them off without a problem.

First of all, people is allways saying, "how can snape kill dumbledore if dumbledore is more powerfull than snape?". Well, to have more power than some1 dont mean that you cant be defeated. I think that Snape has more power than Harry, he's just a teenager, and if he has defeated snape before dont mean that he is best than him.

Finally remember that Harry was using the Half blood Prince hex's, the hex's Snape make, that's why snape could avoid all hex's. And think about it, if Dumbledore though that what happened at the end of the book could happend, he could manipulate things to be sure Harry got the book, that's a way to protect Snape from him.

Here is a thought I haven't seen yet, and it leads to the Snape is good thread, blah, blah, blah....

If Ron, Ginny and Hermione all drank Felix Felicis that night, why is it that Draco and the DE's got by them so easily, as well as Snape. If this stuff works so well, I can hardly imagine it would only help them dodge or block spells that night. Shouldn't Draco have tripped or fallen? Shouldn't Snape have failed to knock out Flitwick or fail to get past them and up the stairs.

This leads me to believe that what happened that night did not hurt the Order and will actually benefit them, as I would hardly call it a good night normally if someone were to kill Dumbledore.

Maybe I'm giving this stuff too much credit, but it doesn't seem to be that great.

They were attacked by Death Eaters in a highly organized plan. I bet most people would say they were LUCKY to get out alive.

It was stated that Snape hasn't been portrayed as a powerful wizard until now, but he's never had the opportunity. It's not really a matter of symmantecs, but rather a matter of literary progression. Snape was being built up to this, and in his moment, he's gonna shine.

Also, don't forget that Rowling put in the part about non-verbal spells. If Harry could've done that, he may have gotten one or two in.

Lastly, Snape is a good leglimens and Harry was emotional (and therefore open to leglimency).

I think the time that Harry used the disarm spell agenst snape Alone was when snape was teaching him omocculancy ,,, Snape replies I dont remember telling you to use a disarming spell potter,,, but it worked effective,. I think it had something to do when snape was about to find out about Harry and Cho ,,, cant remember and my OOTP is being borrowed.

Not in the shrieking shack where all three of them attacked snape at once..

I think Snape always has a great wizard - JK only chose not to mention it so far.
Just like somebody said, James didn't take on Sev unless they were four on one. The Death Eaters are scared of Snape. Just read that part again when he gets to the tower and they all back off. They actually _listen_ to him. He gives the orders and they obey.
Now I like that Felix-theory, because it shows that everybody got lucky in the end. Sev and Draco escaped with no harm, the students are still alive... so Felix could have showed them a way they each could be lucky without interfering with the others' luck. Now, does that make sense?

But if Sev had taken the potion, I doubt it would have gotten as far as killing Dumbledore. Dumbys death means Sev has to go into hiding, the Order will be after him, the Ministry will be after him, too... So the consequences are not very lucky ones... even if Snape was evil and wanted to kill Dumbles, which I - of course - doubt.

So no Felix for Sevy, I guess.

Cheers, Flutterflie

The reason I think snape was able to divert all the spells of harry was because it wasnt non verbal he was saying it loud. If you reas what snape says here you will understand
"Blocked again and again and again until you learn to keep your mouth shut and your mind closed, Potter!" sneered Snape

I think that if Snape is off guard, Harry is powerful enough to hurt him, BUT, as Snape himself said, Harry needs to learn to do silent spells, so that the person he's attacking doesn't know what's coming, and has less time to react. Snape is a powerful wizard, and can just take care of himself, with ot without a luck potion.

I don't think Snape had any Felix Felicius this time, otherwise, he wouldn't have been chased, and things would have gone much smoother for him.

I beleive: the reason that snape was able to enter and leave without anyone hitting him was that everyone was so busy with a death eater that they weren't aware of what snape was really doing. it looked like he was going up to save draco, brought him back out and to escape. he was untouched because he wasn't considered a traiter until after everyone knew what he had done, after he was long gone to safety. Only harry knew, and tehrefore ran after him. as to repelling all of harry's spells, he knew what harry was going to say, snape is not a dumb wizard. obviously he knew the hbp's book spells being that they were his. the stupefy may have bad aim, after all harry was running and full of distress and anger. I am going to have to disagree with the luck potion idea, there just isn't enough OBVIOUS evidence. maybe he did, but i doubt it

Well, he was potions master afterall. So...
He is a good wizard. but if what you say that Harry defeated him with expeliarmus (sorry bout spelling, im not sure of it) then he should be able to defeat him again. But. I don't think he would have taken it.

Harry Potter didn't defeat Snape with the Expelliarmus or Disarming Charm. It was the collective charm... Harry, Ron and Hermione all hit him with Expelliarmus at the same time. That is what knocked him out. Harry wouldn't have been able to do it, as he had never mastered Occlumency.

Snape has always been powerful and we've seen bits of it before--he knocked Lockhart back on his butt with an Expelliarmus, after all. And he has been the one able to cure Dracos cuts, to help DD, to be one of the ones who cast spells for various protections, etc.

But I do wonder about his possible ingestion of potion. Maybe not FF that night, but a bit of excessive self-experimentation could account for part of what is wrong in his personality. He demonstrates that he is not above trying potions on students, that they themselves made, so the chances strike me as high that he might have had a few.

It is possibly that he drunk lucky potion. As that would explain why alot of curses missed him.
But i generally believe Snape to be a very good wizard. Take makeing Sectumsempra for example. He just is more powerful then many others i believe.

If snape did take some felix felicis (and i dont think that he did) it would be easy for him to brew the potion and noone would know. Snape is much more powerful than Harry and I feel that even though harry in the past has managed to beat snape it was never under fair circumstances such as a duel. Maybe for all these years harry has been lucky by beating snape and now snape is showing what hes worth. but im sure that he didnt drink any Felix Felicis.

Yet it is suspicious how almost everyone was lucky in the fight on both sides

Ummmmm no.

The reason I believe Snape blocked all those curses is because he's a highly accomplished Occlumens. I can see Snape "reading Harry's mind" as to see what he was going to do. But now I have to question myself. Harry probably would've seen flashes in his head (Now I'm getting controversial with myself. wow this is funny). Ok but this was short term, not a long term period where Snape was digging for thoughts, he was merely glimpsing fast.

i don't think he took luck potion, the truth is he is a good wizard. the reason haryy got him in the shrieking shack was that he caught him off guard i'll bet. and remember he is pretty good in duling.

Although Snape is perfectly capable of arranging the Felix Felicis potion, I don't think he used it at all, I think that maybe we're giving Snape less credit than he deserves...Just remember that Snape's a good legimens and he tried to teach Occlumency to Harry... and he's a powerful wizard too; by this I mean that maybe he'd be able to perform spells without actually saying them...maybe he conjured some shielding charm we don't know about yet...I do think he acted under DD's command

Wow this was a very interesting read! I found it very compelling, and I think you may be on to something! That IS very strange. And Diddnt Slughorn say that if you drink it to much it may make you funny or something, mabey that is why snape killed dumbledore, or acts wird some time.

Slughorn said: "...if taken in excess, it causes giddiness, recklessness, and dangerous overconfidence(...)...highly toxic in large quantities..."

I don't think that if Snape drunk the potion, he would have taken too much as to feel funny and kill DD, he woulnd't be that stupid...

I personally don't think Snape drank FF that night, nor would he really need to. It's been in the books from the first that Snape is a very powerful wizard and one to be feared if you're not on his side. Even those who don't really like him make mention of the fact. Lupin tells Harry in OotP " Harry, I know you don't like Snape, but he is a superb Occlumens and we all -- Sirius included -- want you to learn to protect yourself" Superb is a strong word coming from someone who doesn't like you.
Snape is the only one who can help Dumbledore when he's hurt by the protections on the horcruxes. Snape heals Draco from a spell that could have killed him within minutes. Snape has the ability and talent to take apart spells, potions, etc and put them back together stronger and more potent as well as inventing some of his own. I think he's a force to be reckoned with and the reckoning will happen in book 7.

Cheers!