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The Chosen Captain
i highly doubt that there is an "all-knowing person" out there. the only one close to that was albus and now that his gone. harry and the rest have to work out the puzzle themselves. however, there might be some one who could enlighten harry on horcruxes.
-ginny-da-cat-
RAB probly that guy.

but your'e right dumbledore knew most of the story but not the horcruxes.
i think jk will introduce some character but they probly get killed by voldermort they might save harry ph34r.gif that sort of thing but jk kills them off because it means an extra character
The Chosen Captain
Adding to my previous: I really doubt that JKR would pull a matrix and through in an Architect kind of like person in the fray for harry to find.
Herm-own-ninny809
Well,I hope there is someone out there who knows the entire truth.I have a hunch there might be someone at Hogwarts who knows something,and perhaps Dumbledore knew all of it.Lik in another topic,it was about whether or not Dumbledore was hiding something from Harry.I think he was...there probaly is someone out there that knows all. wink.gif
Felix2090
I think that is a good theory!!! I think it could be one of three people, Hagrid, Sirius, or most obviously LV. Think about it Hagrid brought Harry to DD from GODRICS HOLLOW!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hagrid also got the motorbike from SIRIUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THINK, it all fits!!??!!..??!!
jooles
hahahhaa, erectij's is my new favorite post on here!
Hermione's Twin
Probabaly someone who is not really well known and totally unexpected knows everything. I have no idea who but it would be someone that know one would guess. Maybe Luna Lovegood!!!
HermioneFan214
I don't really think that someone's going to come along and teach harry everything or give him all the answers. I think it was dumbledore's intentions for harry to do this on his own, to make him stronger and wiser. I'm sure harry will get some help from ron and hermione and members of the order, but when it all comes down to it, harry is the one who has to defeat voldy, not anyone else so i dont think JK would add a huge character like that especially with all the loose ends from previous books.
lp_supastar
QUOTE(Harrypottermyidol @ Oct 3 2006, 09:50 AM) [snapback]234959[/snapback]

i think peter petigrew ws there and knows where all the horcuxes are and that he will tell harry bcause harry saved his life and he is in dept to harry.

Ooh i like that theory, thats a good one i think! Because most people will be wondering how on earth pettigrew will repay harry for saving his life, and that is probably the best thing he could ever do for harry. I mean, he must have to do something very significant because if harry didnt save him, LV wouldn't have returned, etc. so he owes harry a lot.
Eddie Dumbledore
Hi all......finally got registered....been reading for MONTHS! Anyway, here goes with my "theory??" RAB obviously knew about at least one of the horcruxes, and took that one. If RAB is really Regulus Black, maybe there is a picture of him in Grimald Place?? And maybe Harry will figure this out, go look for his picture, and plead with him for more info on the horcruxes?? I think we all figure that the locket that was in the house when they were cleaning was the actual horcrux, so maybe RAB took more horcruxes and hid them in the house too!! ohmy.gif

As for destroying the Dark Lord, I think that Peter Pettigrew is going to play a big part in his destruction. I don't think he is actually going to be killed (like using one of the unforgivables) but will be destroyed is some manner through Harry's love, or the room in the Dept of Mysteries.

Anyway, I can't wait for the book to come out!!
surfcaly
Plain and simple, i do not think that anyone else was there from the wizarding community. Yes Harry will go and visit, but i also dont think that he will find any surprises, unless as it was mentioned in aother forum, Godrics Hollow happens to be some kind of hide out. I also think that he will have to find all of the Horcruxes. i would like that very much, because it would make for a much longer book.
chrisisgameboy92
I think that dumbledore knows everything and even though he told harry alot of stuff already he waited for harry to find out the horrible truths by himself.
romilda_girl
Hmm...I SORT of agree with chrisisgameboy92. Except I do not think that Dumbledore wanted Harry to find out himself. I think he might have told Harry when they'd got back to Hogwarts with the "horcrux". However Dumbledore....*SOBS*...you know. So he never got that chance!

Dumbledore is the only charactor that I that I see to be ALL KNOWING about all of Voldermort's secret's.
Madmoiselle Lilly
I agree that Dumbledore was the only "all-knowing" character in the series. But I do think that while he was still alive, he told Harry as much as he possibly could. I'm pretty sure Harry will be able to figure out the rest by himself. But if he does happen to get some more help from Dumbldedore, maybe it could be through the pensieve or maybe he'll get some advice by talking to a portrait of Dumbldore? I don't know.
Packers
i think the only all knowing caractor in the story will be harry at the end. In the epilouge i think it will say that harry rote the books. THis would be like the red book in LoTR when bilbo writes the hobbit and all the alive (non gandelf) feloship members write their expierenes in the red book. The book owned by Sam's family is eventally given to Tolkien who merly prints them. (the last part was in accordance to the first foward in the lord of the rings trilogy)
Dumbedore123
You know I'm not so sure he would get help from the order. None there seem to have any true knowledge of Voldermort outside of Harry's parents. Who ever this R.A.B. is, I think this person will be the help Harry needs. Dead or alive.
Buckbeak99
I believe that there are people that know the whole truth about what LV has gone through.
R.A.B. (Regulus Black) I am sure that he had to have told someone about what he realized.
He found out, and that is why the DE's killed him.
Now, I have this crazy idea that maybe R. Black may have told Kreacher some of this info, so he may have the answers.
I am not sure, but how else is Harry going to find out about all of the horcruxes, destroy them, destroy LV, and everyone live happily ever after in one book.
There has to be someone that knows the whereabouts of the remaining horcruxes, otherwise there wouldn't be time to tie up all of the loose ends, and finish the series in one book.
Not sure who that person would be though. We know how Harry and DD found out about all of it, but someone else has to know.
ladybear1515
I think there was an all knowing character, but he cared for harry to much and had to get out of the way so that Harry could defeat VD. I am of course speaking of the famous wizard DD. DD shared all he could with Harry about horocruxes before his death but he knew that his care for harry went way beyond student teacher. So he let himself be kill or set it up so that Snape would kill him (haven't decided on that point yet) so that Harry could continue on his own toward his destiny of killing VD. Also, DD provided another reason for Harry to go after Voldemort, to provide him with another person that Harry loved and had destroyed their life. First his parents, then neville, sirius and DD. It's all giving Harry the courage to do what he has to do. KILL VOLDEMORT.
siriusfan
quote: aussiedud3
"I think there is someone out there who knows the entire story, they were there at godrics hollow the night voldemort killed harrys parents, someone who knows the 7 horuxes, someone who knows how to defeat voldemorte, someone who holds the truth.. thats why when JK was asked if anybody else was there at godrics hollow that night of harrys parents death she said No comment, i cant say... i dont think the story could hold enough pages if harry had to figure everything out himself, i mean it would make it very interesting and would help alot with the storyline... what do you think?"

I think your pretty close there assiedud3. I dont think its a person though. I think its an object. It ties in with the whole snape good vs evil thing too so tell me what you think. Harry lacks the wisdom and the experience to be able to defeat Voldemort. We all know this. DD said very clearly to harry in the last chapter of ootp that the prophecy meant that one would have to kill the other which is why I think some people don't pay attention when they predict that somebody else will kill LV. DD lays the blame on what had happened entirely on himself. Keep in mind that the only wizard LV had ever feared was DD. I think that there is an object left behind by DD that would endow Harry with all his power and wisdom only it would not work untill DD was dead. Dumbledore was known to create his own spells so I think that other wizards wont even know that such an object was even possible to exist.

Now Harry Potter and the Half-blood Prince: In the beginning of the book when Snape makes the unbreakable Vow he does not flinch. I think Dumbledore willingly sacrificed his life in order for harry to be strong enough to fight Voldemort. I think this was planned out after the fight at the ministry. It would explain alot. This would make LV trust snape 100% and key him in to the whereabouts of his horecruxes, It would explain why DD knew Draco was up to something and eventually would result in a visit to hogwarts from the deatheaters on which snape would kill DD infront of all the death eaters as witnesses, Why Snape actually said the words Avada Kedavra instead of thinking it so the deatheaters would hear him and there would be no mistake, hmmm, It would also explain why dumbledore knew about Voldemort creating horcruxes all this time but just NOW looking for them during the majority of the book in desperation to destroy as many as possible before leaving harry to do it alone. He knew he was on a time line knowing that the deatheaters were to show up at any moment and he would then have to die, Why DD gave Harry lessons and brought him along on a horcrux hunt to get him prepared for what he would have to do when he is gone, It would explain why extreme measures are taken in only this book and not the previous 5. I am very Curious as to what this object may be!

What do you think?
zonkos_employee
I would just have to say that it is DD that knew everything about everything. Maybe he told someone to keep the secret... someone maybe that's gonna be at Hogwarts next year? I am thinking that maybe he told it to Snape because I truly believe that Snape is GOOD.
Conjunctivitis
Part of what makes these books so good is that so much information is a mystery- one all knowing character would ruin this in my opinion
sullivanbkeene
I think that by the end of the book, the character who will know everything is Harry. Rowling has withheld information from Harry, but she was really withholding it from us. By the end of the book, all the secrets should be explained, and since the series is written from Harry's point of view, he would obviously have the most insight of all the characters because he knows everything that happened, yet there were times when Ron, Hermione, DD etc. were not with Harry, so they are not privy to all the information he will have amassed.
amortentia_lover
Yes, but i don't think all the secrets will be revealed to Harry ( or us )
i think DD knew everything but seeing as he's gone now *sob* Harry can't find out everything... !
I think JKR will purposely leave some mysteries unanswered, Harry Potter, after all, is pretty much based around mystery, and unravelling it as it goes, so i reckon some will be left for us to guess on our own...
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frodo
all these theories lol i think its simple, wormtail knows it all, when nurseing voldermort back to health, voldermort confided in him. And the life debt he owes to harry will be made even by wormtail tellling harry the locations of those horofucx things lol
alexander
I seriously doubt anyone knows everything. If so, that person would not be able to stay hidden becasue they would have immens power and Voldermort would also seek them out and then make them tell him.
Krissy15
I don't think that there is one person who knows the whole truth. I think that there are people who know bits or pieces of the puzzle that Harry will have to get help from. Like, an example is i think Aberfoth. I think he knows about the horcruxes or something similar to that. I think that Lupin knows about Harrys' parents jobs and all the information about him. I think someone that is in the Order and also in the ministry, like Kingsley or Arthur (maybe) knows more about the veil that Harry will find out about. However, i think he is mostly in the next book alone without much help from people. If any of that stuff makes any sense.
D.A
QUOTE(erectij @ Aug 3 2005, 11:05 AM) [snapback]88665[/snapback]

Harry Potter, Book 7, pg 513:

Harry ran through the eerie mist in Godric's Hollow. Then without so much as a warning, he was struck down by a flash of what seemed to be lighting. A man stood before him and spoke with a deep, hollow voice.

"Harry, my name is Dinglesnork Grumpleback. Snape is actually good. I know what the rest of the Horcruxes are, but destroying them for you is just as easy as telling you what they all are, so don't worry about them. Now, see this button?" Grumpleback pointed at a button with an engraving of a lion eating a serpent on it, "if you press it, Voldemort will die and everything will be fine."

Exausted, Harry slowly approached the green button. He shifted his stare to Grumpleback, who merely nodded and smiled. Holding his breath, he pressed the button.

POOF



laugh.gif i was looking through this whole thread and this post made me crack up. cheers!
I agree with Krissy15 i think that people know different bits and pieces.
But i dont think that 1 person knows everything...otherwise someone (who supposedly did know everything) would have surely tried to do something by now.

D.A
LooneyLovegood916
Accually.....there is a person that J. K. said that was in the order and hasn't been "properly introduced yet"....maybe that person will help Harry....just an opinion though
Sinead
I don't think that there is one person who knows everything..

..however Dumbledore seemed to know the most about the horcruxes and everything else.


So was he there at Godric's Hallow the night Lily and James died?
Is that why he had James' invisibility cloak? Was he hiding underneath it that night?

Just a thought biggrin.gif
Usagi
While I do not think JKR would introduce us to some random character in the final book. I am sure there is someone out there that knows more than they let on. Someone else that Dumbledore confided in, Snape is a good theory. Though I doubt there was anyone else at that house when James and Lily were killed. They knew they were marked for death, so they prepared for the worst, Dumbledore assisted them of course. Of course, there is at least one person that knows about the horcruxes at least. The mysterious R.A.B., find him, and Harry finds the key to the other horcruxes, and of course the locket. This is a good thing to sit and think on as we await the arrival of the final book.
PUNJABI
well i wouldn't say that a random person would just come up and help harry. i have some believe that dumbledore had confided every thing with snape and his brother alberforth.

though alberforth may not do some help , but he would certainly assist and snape will help too!! ph34r.gif
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