Full Version: Someone Out There Knows The Truth
I think there is someone out there who knows the entire story, they were there at godrics hollow the night voldemort killed harrys parents, someone who knows the 7 horuxes, someone who knows how to defeat voldemorte, someone who holds the truth.. thats why when JK was asked if anybody else was there at godrics hollow that night of harrys parenst death she said No comment, i cant say... i dont think the story could hold enough pages if harry had to figure everything out himself, i mean it would make it very interesting and would help alot with the storyline... what do you think?
Well I mean the books are pretty long and considering all the loose ends the last one will be very long. Also just because she said no comment dosent mean anything. Thats how she answers everything inolving plot theories dosent she? I think harry will get help but not by someone who magically comes in the final book and teaches harry everything. I think he will get help from the order and his friends but thats about it.
i dont think it will be some character who we have'nt met, i think we have already met them they just have'nt played a major part yet. If Jk said no to the question about godrics hollow it would'nt have closed many theories down or changed what people think so far so if it the answer was no she had no reason not to answer it .. also Jk said the last book will be smaller then order of the phoenix so we have to skip some of theories that are to long ... something has to shorten it up a bit because there is just way to much information. so therefore i am almost certain that someone hold the truth... but its only my opinion
I really doubt Rowling would just add a single omniscent character like that.
Harry Potter, Book 7, pg 513:
Harry ran through the eerie mist in Godric's Hollow. Then without so much as a warning, he was struck down by a flash of what seemed to be lighting. A man stood before him and spoke with a deep, hollow voice.
"Harry, my name is Dinglesnork Grumpleback. Snape is actually good. I know what the rest of the Horcruxes are, but destroying them for you is just as easy as telling you what they all are, so don't worry about them. Now, see this button?" Grumpleback pointed at a button with an engraving of a lion eating a serpent on it, "if you press it, Voldemort will die and everything will be fine."
Exausted, Harry slowly approached the green button. He shifted his stare to Grumpleback, who merely nodded and smiled. Holding his breath, he pressed the button.
POOF
Harry knew it, Voldemort was dead, Snape was good and had teddy bears, Hermione and Ron got married, Mr. Weasley became Minister for Magic, Percy got struck by lightning, and Osama Bin Laden was captured.
Right at that moment, a fly landed on his SCAR.
Harry Potter, Book 7, pg 513:
Harry ran through the eerie mist in Godric's Hollow. Then without so much as a warning, he was struck down by a flash of what seemed to be lighting. A man stood before him and spoke with a deep, hollow voice.
"Harry, my name is Dinglesnork Grumpleback. Snape is actually good. I know what the rest of the Horcruxes are, but destroying them for you is just as easy as telling you what they all are, so don't worry about them. Now, see this button?" Grumpleback pointed at a button with an engraving of a lion eating a serpent on it, "if you press it, Voldemort will die and everything will be fine."
Exausted, Harry slowly approached the green button. He shifted his stare to Grumpleback, who merely nodded and smiled. Holding his breath, he pressed the button.
POOF
Harry knew it, Voldemort was dead, Snape was good and had teddy bears, Hermione and Ron got married, Mr. Weasley became Minister for Magic, Percy got struck by lightning, and Osama Bin Laden was captured.
Right at that moment, a fly landed on his SCAR.
Ha ha ha ha lol 
I do think that the truth is held by some one and i think it is snape
i think that he will come back and explain to harry that he did what he did to get close to LV in order for him to tell snape his most darkest secret
Snape: Master i have killed the blood trator DD and showed my allegiance to you and only you
Lv:You have severius and i now know you are my most truted servant
Snape: thank you master thank you
LV: now get off your knees severius
Snape: master i have one question
Lv:Yes what is it
Snape: Master how is it that you cannot die?????
Lv: i have gone beyond death yes but to explain will take a long while
so i shall reveal it to you my most truted servant Open you mind
and so snape reads LV mind and knows where all the horcrux's are as he has seen where they have been hidden anger and fear can be seen on snapes face as he see's what know other human has seen ever
Well its a theory any way snape goes to harry and reveals the plan he a DD set up so that snape could get the information needed
I do think that the truth is held by some one and i think it is snape
i think that he will come back and explain to harry that he did what he did to get close to LV in order for him to tell snape his most darkest secret
Snape: Master i have killed the blood trator DD and showed my allegiance to you and only you
Lv:You have severius and i now know you are my most truted servant
Snape: thank you master thank you
LV: now get off your knees severius
Snape: master i have one question
Lv:Yes what is it
Snape: Master how is it that you cannot die?????
Lv: i have gone beyond death yes but to explain will take a long while
so i shall reveal it to you my most truted servant Open you mind
and so snape reads LV mind and knows where all the horcrux's are as he has seen where they have been hidden anger and fear can be seen on snapes face as he see's what know other human has seen ever
Well its a theory any way snape goes to harry and reveals the plan he a DD set up so that snape could get the information needed
Oh- my- God I love both stories 
Snape: Master, the blood traitor who wanted to help harry is dead.
LV: My most efficient servant, I'll reward you above all others, because I trust you. You proved you were faithful to me for so many years, let's kill Bellatrix's husband, you would be able to marry her, you suit together
Anyway, what was I saying? I'll tell you my biggest secret,
Snape: What's this, master?
LV: I created Horcruxes and as you're well educated, you know what they are...
Snape: yes, I know.
Then Snape sends mysterious owls to Harry with clues, Harry takes this risk, he overcomes Voldemort and becomes Snape's adopted son
Or Snape was hidding in the Potters wardrobe and heard all the truth
Snape: Master, the blood traitor who wanted to help harry is dead.
LV: My most efficient servant, I'll reward you above all others, because I trust you. You proved you were faithful to me for so many years, let's kill Bellatrix's husband, you would be able to marry her, you suit together
Anyway, what was I saying? I'll tell you my biggest secret, Snape: What's this, master?
LV: I created Horcruxes and as you're well educated, you know what they are...
Snape: yes, I know.
Then Snape sends mysterious owls to Harry with clues, Harry takes this risk, he overcomes Voldemort and becomes Snape's adopted son
Or Snape was hidding in the Potters wardrobe and heard all the truth
OK just 1 small thing: Let's say there is someone who know the truth, the whole truth etc. He, or she of course 
, knows about the Horcruxes, about the way to kill voldemort and stuff. Why doesn't he/she do something about Voldemort? Why does he/she let him go around killing an torturing and destroying people's lives. Ok, so he/she may not be powerful enough, all he had to do was go to Dumbledore ( when he was still alive) and tell him the whole thing. Dumbledore was more than wise enough to know what to do with the info. Let me know what you think[COLOR=blue]
He, or she of course , knows about the Horcruxes, about the way to kill voldemort and stuff. Why doesn't he/she do something about Voldemort? Why does he/she let him go around killing an torturing and destroying people's lives. Ok, so he/she may not be powerful enough, all he had to do was go to Dumbledore ( when he was still alive) and tell him the whole thing. Dumbledore was more than wise enough to know what to do with the info. Let me know what you think[COLOR=blue]
Personally I think if there is anyone beside Lord Voldy. It would have been Peter Petigrew. He would be the guy most likely to be there. He will be the on to fill harry in on the information Harry needs to finish the job.
maybe they were forced into hiding and have been hiding there for many years, ever since the night a goddrics hollow. or maybe they suffer from something like nevilles parents. There are so many possibilities why they wouldnt come out Also why would'nt JK add a character, shes done it before with sirius we never heard of him before POA why not do it now, and like i said we could have already met the character
I like it snape is the key i have a feeling why else will there be so many unknowns why else would JKR make him so important to her next book and this one
He is the half blood prince maybe he wants the kings position so he will help harry kill LV and take power as he is obviously now the second most powerful wizard out there
but even though i think snape will help harry he must still pay for doing what he did so
i hope harry give snape a big loving hug
He is the half blood prince maybe he wants the kings position so he will help harry kill LV and take power as he is obviously now the second most powerful wizard out there
but even though i think snape will help harry he must still pay for doing what he did so
i hope harry give snape a big loving hug
| QUOTE (Scissors @ Aug 3 2005, 11:47 AM) |
| OK just 1 small thing: Let's say there is someone who know the truth, the whole truth etc. He, or she of course , knows about the Horcruxes, about the way to kill voldemort and stuff. Why doesn't he/she do something about Voldemort? Why does he/she let him go around killing an torturing and destroying people's lives. Ok, so he/she may not be powerful enough, all he had to do was go to Dumbledore ( when he was still alive) and tell him the whole thing. Dumbledore was more than wise enough to know what to do with the info. Let me know what you think[COLOR=blue] |
Maybe this person is afraid of the death, LV can finish him/her off ->Draco hasn't thought about going to DD asking him for help, and maybe similarly- that person is too much afraid of Voldemort.
I think that the truth is known by Snape or Wormtail and if it is Snape, then there may be problems with destroying Horcruxes. Snape desperately wanted the Order of Merlin or whatever it was called in book 3 (I mean, the prize). Snape loves to feel appreciated, so I don't know if - let's say that he's more good- to steal Harry's glory
I doubt that there is any one person who knows all that Harry needs to know. I think that he will piece it together from what everyone knows. Just like Dumbledore did.
| QUOTE |
| Harry Potter, Book 7, pg 513: Harry ran through the eerie mist in Godric's Hollow. Then without so much as a warning, he was struck down by a flash of what seemed to be lighting. A man stood before him and spoke with a deep, hollow voice. "Harry, my name is Dinglesnork Grumpleback. Snape is actually good. I know what the rest of the Horcruxes are, but destroying them for you is just as easy as telling you what they all are, so don't worry about them. Now, see this button?" Grumpleback pointed at a button with an engraving of a lion eating a serpent on it, "if you press it, Voldemort will die and everything will be fine." Exausted, Harry slowly approached the green button. He shifted his stare to Grumpleback, who merely nodded and smiled. Holding his breath, he pressed the button. POOF Harry knew it, Voldemort was dead, Snape was good and had teddy bears, Hermione and Ron got married, Mr. Weasley became Minister for Magic, Percy got struck by lightning, and Osama Bin Laden was captured. Right at that moment, a fly landed on his SCAR. |
OMG
hahaha, ever thougt about writing a fanfic? But I admit, I don't think that It'll be that easy for Harry to collect and destroy the horcruxes. I do believe that Harry will get help from someone but I'm not sure that someone except LV knows where the horcruxes are. I doubt it that Snape knows where the horcruxes are, I even doubt if he knows that the horcruxes excist. Maybe JKR suprises us again and gives Harry a map on which all the horcruxes are marked
Hi there Krieltje and bubotuber_pus,
There really is no need to post an entire quote. If you want to refer to something in someone’s post simply highlight the bit you want to and cut out the rest. or in the case of your posts above all you have to do is mention that your replying to.
Incidentally on this topic I've slightly edited the topic title as both the title and subtitle more or less where saying the same things. It should make it a bit more clear what we are actually discussing here.
Anywho I'll bow out now, happy posting!
Shane
There really is no need to post an entire quote. If you want to refer to something in someone’s post simply highlight the bit you want to and cut out the rest. or in the case of your posts above all you have to do is mention that your replying to.
Incidentally on this topic I've slightly edited the topic title as both the title and subtitle more or less where saying the same things. It should make it a bit more clear what we are actually discussing here.
Anywho I'll bow out now, happy posting!
Shane
*hehehe*
That was funny, Erectij!
I would have to seriously doubt that there is one very ominiscent person out there. If there was, it would almost ruin the quest and adventures we all love to read so much.
That was funny, Erectij!
I would have to seriously doubt that there is one very ominiscent person out there. If there was, it would almost ruin the quest and adventures we all love to read so much.
Don't any of you understand? DUMBLEDORE is the man you are talking about. This was the whole point of Jo killing him off. It was because he knew everything about the prophecy, the horcruxes, and Voldemort. I was the only one who thought Dumbledore was going to die and I was right! Harry (as Dumbledore has said in not so many words) knows everything he needs to know to kill Voldemort once and for all. Jo has officially gotten rid of everyone important to Harry. He no longer knows the comforts of his his parents (the two people who should have always been in his corner), Sirius (his best friend and the person he couted on to save him from the life he hates), DUMBLEDORE (the only one who could help him), or even Hogwarts (the one place he felt safe and happy). He now only has Ron, Hermione, and his destiny in need of fulfilling. Nobody who can help him kill Voldemort is still with him. That's how it should be.
I absolutely agree with u all hail the sporks harry knows everything he needs to know about destroying the horcruxes and will be in harrys skill, but i cant figure out how harry can kill voldemort once hes got rid of the horcruxes, maybe by the time he has done the horcruxes he will be skillful enough, but he will also need some help and a lot of magical research and practice I dont know how jk is going to fit it all in.
I agree someone else is out there that can help Harry. Not destroying the Horcruxes, but information. Like Dumbledore's brother ould tell him of the "possible" arrangement with Severus Snape. Then Harry could know DD was ready to go. (assuming that is the truth and all )
Slughorn could be someone who holds information or knows someone with information. he is well connected after all. She spent a lot of time on that.
I think Harry will go at it alone now, with the ocasional help from the friends. But some of it he has to do alone. But as I write this, DD told him to tell his friends because they have proven to be trustworthy so far. Perhaps, DD wanted him to rely on his friends more? I don't know about that. I can see Harry telling them to stay home and they cause a fuss and they end up going together afterall.
)Slughorn could be someone who holds information or knows someone with information. he is well connected after all. She spent a lot of time on that.
I think Harry will go at it alone now, with the ocasional help from the friends. But some of it he has to do alone. But as I write this, DD told him to tell his friends because they have proven to be trustworthy so far. Perhaps, DD wanted him to rely on his friends more? I don't know about that. I can see Harry telling them to stay home and they cause a fuss and they end up going together afterall.
| QUOTE (allhailthesporks @ Aug 12 2005, 09:50 PM) |
| Don't any of you understand? DUMBLEDORE is the man you are talking about. This was the whole point of Jo killing him off. |
Whoa, someone has a slight attitude problem going on.
Actually, you aren't the only one who thought Dumbledore was going to die - plenty of other people did too. There's no need to be quite so confrontational when presenting your views. Please have a read through the rules for the forums that you can find linked in my signature and be a little more respectful towards the views of others in the future.
Heir of Gryffindor, if I could ask you to check the rules too please - you've used netspeak ('u') in your post there and I'm afraid it isn't allowed on the forums.
For what it's worth, I agree with Snapelover - I think that there have to be people out there who will be able to help Harry, though I don't think there's one single person who knows everything (not even Dumbledore knew everything). Aberforth might very well be one of them, yes...and I think Snape will probably be important too. Plus I think Slughorn knows a lot more than he lets on.
While I hope that the Ron and Hermione do help Harry, I will be disappointed if it's ultimately a trio victory. I mean, it's supposed to be Harry's story - they are supporting characters at the end of the day, otherwise she may as well have left out the 'HP' part and just called the books 'The Philosopher's Stone' and 'Chamber Of Secrets' etc. It should come down to Harry and Voldemort in the end - that's always been the mainstay of good versus evil battles.
So yes, probably, between lots of different people, Harry will learn a lot, but not from one single fountain of knowledge.
so what dana? you reackon ron and ermionie will fall back in one or two '**** they just keep comming, i'll hold them here you gon on and face the dark lord' if this is the case please no more 'harry your a great wizard speaches', in know weve only had one but one is bad enough.
I don't think I'm going to enter into any more conversations with you. You clearly have issues with me, and that's fine, but I'm not going to waste my time responding to confrontational remarks. I have better things to do.
Suffice it to say that you already have one official warning under your belt and you're well on your way to a second. The censors picked up a swear word in that post and you should know that swearing isn't allowed on the forums.
Suffice it to say that you already have one official warning under your belt and you're well on your way to a second. The censors picked up a swear word in that post and you should know that swearing isn't allowed on the forums.
i'm sorry i just didn't realise another word for a water block was swearing, i'll avoid using that word around such sensitive eyes. i don't have issues with you it's just i find arguments (intelectual, not the aggressive kind) are better than normal conversation, thare are only so many times you can agree with somone. and by the way you don't have a leg to stand on in classifing that word as an offensive word in any harry potter forum, because what dose bagman say when the trio inform him the death eaters are running amock at the campsite, p114, line 16 - 'd#mn them' (just sub the # for a).
MOD EDIT : *yawn* Look, those are the rules. End of discussion - they're not up for debate. Obey them or leave, simple as that.
MOD EDIT : *yawn* Look, those are the rules. End of discussion - they're not up for debate. Obey them or leave, simple as that.
Now that Dumbledore is dead (although I believe him to be alive - but that's another post), the one name that comes to mind is Peter Pettigrew. Could he have been at Godric's Hollow that night? Perhaps in his animagus form, as a rat? Voldemort may not have known that Peter was there. How soon after Peter supposedly died did he go to live with the Weasleys? Was he told by Voldemort to go there? Is Peter a Death Eater? Or does Voldemort even know that Peter is alive and has been hiding out with the Weasleys all these years? Peter should play a large role in book 7 because of his debt to Harry (from POA). I think Peter Pettigrew is my answer to the thread - "Someone Out There Knows the Truth".
voldemort is definately aware of all that has to do with pettigrew unless peter will demonstrate some unforseen skill (whihc is of course possible).
the all knowing character is, i believe, no one. i think there are definately some who know more than others but i don't believe anyone left knows everything. dumbledore probably knew more than anyone else but as he is dead (which he IS, but, as said, that is another thread), there isnt anyone left. it is possible however that dumbledore couldve been confiding in someone. this person, or persons i believe, is snape and lupin. lupin is obviously a very accomplished wizard and i believe that we have only seen the very beginning of his vast talents. snape is so obviously second best to voldemort right now that dumbledore had to be confiding in him. snape is innocent. that's another thread but its okay to say it here because its true! all signs point to snape being a great wizard. there are only two other wizards who have been able to block spells by casual flicks of their wands, and they happen to be the head honchos. so, since snape is able to do the same, we have to assume him to be on another level than the rest of the order and death eaters. plus its just clear that snape is quite good at what he does.
dumbledore was probably telling his two head generals everything (or close to everything) before he died. lupin and snape most likely know more than anyone else.
the all knowing character is, i believe, no one. i think there are definately some who know more than others but i don't believe anyone left knows everything. dumbledore probably knew more than anyone else but as he is dead (which he IS, but, as said, that is another thread), there isnt anyone left. it is possible however that dumbledore couldve been confiding in someone. this person, or persons i believe, is snape and lupin. lupin is obviously a very accomplished wizard and i believe that we have only seen the very beginning of his vast talents. snape is so obviously second best to voldemort right now that dumbledore had to be confiding in him. snape is innocent. that's another thread but its okay to say it here because its true! all signs point to snape being a great wizard. there are only two other wizards who have been able to block spells by casual flicks of their wands, and they happen to be the head honchos. so, since snape is able to do the same, we have to assume him to be on another level than the rest of the order and death eaters. plus its just clear that snape is quite good at what he does.
dumbledore was probably telling his two head generals everything (or close to everything) before he died. lupin and snape most likely know more than anyone else.
I don't actually see why there should be some omnipotent figure? It's far more fun when people only know little bits! However, If I had to pick someone it'd be Severus because he's the only one to have the confidences of both Dumbeldore and Voldemort. God, I'd love to look inside his head!
And to be fair Michelle, Skillerz does have a point - not saying we should litter our posts with profane blasphemy of course, but:
1) Why is "bloody" and "git" okay when the other word isn't?
2) What's good for canon needs to be good for the board so we can at least quote it!
Not trying to start a row of course, just think it's important to get parity.
And to be fair Michelle, Skillerz does have a point - not saying we should litter our posts with profane blasphemy of course, but:
1) Why is "bloody" and "git" okay when the other word isn't?
2) What's good for canon needs to be good for the board so we can at least quote it!
Not trying to start a row of course, just think it's important to get parity.
allhailthesporks , you'r not the only one that thought DD's going to die :/
most of us knew he'll have to die, and my was sure he's going to die after the 4th book came out.
most of us knew he'll have to die, and my was sure he's going to die after the 4th book came out.
I think there is a person that know's almost everything there is needed to know in order to kill LV. I think that person is Petunia Dursley. Before HBP came out JKR said that we would learn more about Petunia. I think DD knew he was going to die and had been in contact with Petunia and now Petunia knows alot about LV and about his past etc. So when harry goes to Privet DR. for the "last" time in book 7, i think Petunia will tell him that she know's how do defeat LV. Just a thought.
I know that charactor. Voldemort himself of course. He knows the horcruxes, he knows what happened at Godric's Hollow, and he also knows how to defeat himself. If not him then Trelwaney. She made the prophecy, so she must know what's going on. You guys remember her weird prediction she made in PoA.
Why Voldemort: He was the one who killed Harry's parents. He's the one who gave Harry the scar. He was there at Godric's Hollow and knows what happened. Voldemort knows all his horcruxes, what they are and where they are, and he also knows how to defeat himself. This is why he should be the "I Know All" charactor.
Why Trelwaney: She's the one who made the prophecy. If she made, it, then she must have known what's going to happen in the future. She isn't just a background charactor, which we should know by now right? Anyways, she has proven herself worthy of helping Harry, just like she did in HbP by telling Harry that Snape was listening in to her and Dumbledore that day she applied for a job or something.
Hpsleuth101, I think that would fit well myself too. Her howler in OotP was pretty weird, and how she knew all those things in OotP after the Dementor attack, so I think she could know it all, and I'm hoping she has enough heart for Harry to help him.
Why Voldemort: He was the one who killed Harry's parents. He's the one who gave Harry the scar. He was there at Godric's Hollow and knows what happened. Voldemort knows all his horcruxes, what they are and where they are, and he also knows how to defeat himself. This is why he should be the "I Know All" charactor.
Why Trelwaney: She's the one who made the prophecy. If she made, it, then she must have known what's going to happen in the future. She isn't just a background charactor, which we should know by now right? Anyways, she has proven herself worthy of helping Harry, just like she did in HbP by telling Harry that Snape was listening in to her and Dumbledore that day she applied for a job or something.
Hpsleuth101, I think that would fit well myself too. Her howler in OotP was pretty weird, and how she knew all those things in OotP after the Dementor attack, so I think she could know it all, and I'm hoping she has enough heart for Harry to help him.
lol the all knowing character was dumbledore, and now hes gone 
. why did he have to die. 
. why did he have to die.
Dumbledore didn't kow EVERYTHING. He's not sure of all 6 horcruxes that Voldemort has made over the years. He's only guessing on this stuff. See what happened in Book 6? He got the wrong idea and Dumbledore and Harry retreived a "fake" horcrux.
Trelwaney: She's the one who made the prophecy. Don't you think she knew what she was doing? If she was making a prophecy, I'm SURE she knew what she was talking about. She must also know more about the horcuxes than anyone but Voldemort too.
Trelwaney: She's the one who made the prophecy. Don't you think she knew what she was doing? If she was making a prophecy, I'm SURE she knew what she was talking about. She must also know more about the horcuxes than anyone but Voldemort too.
Dumbledore was on the right track to the horcruxes but RAB just came there first. DD was guessing but they were accurate.
Trelawny: I think that trelawny still doesnt remember what she says when she made the prophecy. Like is POA, she went into a trance. If im correct, how can trelawny be the person to know all.
Trelawny: I think that trelawny still doesnt remember what she says when she made the prophecy. Like is POA, she went into a trance. If im correct, how can trelawny be the person to know all.
Because she's a fortune teller herself. She must've seen all of this in her...er, crystal ball or something???
OOOH! Maybe it's R.A.B who's the all knowing charactor??? Just a wild guess.
OOOH! Maybe it's R.A.B who's the all knowing charactor??? Just a wild guess.
yeah thats a good theory harry4_LyF. it could be, i do hope it is but i think harry needs to discover everything on his own so i dont think there is an all knowing character.
| QUOTE (james pickles @ Jan 4 2006, 04:04 AM) |
| yeah thats a good theory harry4_LyF. it could be, i do hope it is but i think harry needs to discover everything on his own so i dont think there is an all knowing character. |
I agree. There might not even be a charactor who knew everything. JKR tries to base her stories to reality. (Puberty, moods...life dificulties...) And we all know that no one in real life knows everything. What makes the wizarding world so different?
But there is such thing as a charactor who knows more than they should. Here are a list of my theories. If you disagree, say so, nicley. Don't critisize my opinion.
R.A.B He must know something. He retreived that horcrux before DUmbledore did, and I'm sure he's going to play a big role. I doubt this will be a new charactor, and I'm almost sure that it's someone we already know. Me myself, I'll be looking into the books more today...or tomorrow...Depends. But this dude must know something that Dumbledore didn't.
Dumbledore We all knew he was the greatest wizard ever. He told all he knew to Harry and made it possible to train Harry to become the person he is. Dumbledore was no ordinary wizard. Even Voldemort feared him. If he didn't, he could've killed the old man himself. So Dumbledore even though dead, must mean more to the book, and must play an even bigger role next book.
Voldemort We've known that Voldemort has know more than he should since we took a little trip inside Dumbledore's Pensive. He knew about dark magic and also very powerful magic. Not every wizard knows about horcruxes, and this young fella knew about them when he was simply a kid! His heart may be shattered, but his brain is full of information.
Well, that's all the new updates I have for now. I was going to add Harry, but that's not worth explaning as all of us know Harry knows more than any other 16 year old.
Most of theories i have read so far are really good but i am leaning towards the fact that there IS a all-knowing person that can help Harry. I've noticed that alot of you have said Voldy, he knows everything, but he really won't help harry. They are trying to kill each other. My original theory was that patunia is the all-knowing person. It makes sense but there isnt much proof except in OOTP.When the dementors attacked harry and dudley, patunia knows about them and when the howler comes, it sort of tells us that she might be in comtact with the wizarding world. Next, in the end of HBP, didnt the note in the locket say that RAB would probably already be dead by the time Voldy found the note? we would need to be able to answer the following questions in order to take this theory farther.How long ago was the fake locket left there? Is RAB already dead? My other theory is dumbledore. We all know he died, but at the end of the HBP the portrait of him showed up, maybe Harry can still talk to him?? Any thoughts?
My original theory was that patunia is the all-knowing person. It makes sense but there isnt much proof except in OOTP.When the dementors attacked harry and dudley, patunia knows about them and when the howler comes, it sort of tells us that she might be in comtact with the wizarding world. Next, in the end of HBP, didnt the note in the locket say that RAB would probably already be dead by the time Voldy found the note? we would need to be able to answer the following questions in order to take this theory farther.How long ago was the fake locket left there? Is RAB already dead? My other theory is dumbledore. We all know he died, but at the end of the HBP the portrait of him showed up, maybe Harry can still talk to him?? Any thoughts?
Has anyone noticed the large number of "all-seeing eye" references in the series, such as Trelawney's Inner Eyer, Moody's magical eye and Argus Filch, who is named for a monster with one hundred eyes? This just may be JKR's way of impying that someone does see, and therefore know, all.
If so, this character should be important enought that (s)he will remain alive to the end -- or at least the climax -- of the books, meaning that (s)he will possibly play an important role in Book 7, since this is where JKR has promised that she will try to provide all the answers to the remaining questions.
If so, this character should be important enought that (s)he will remain alive to the end -- or at least the climax -- of the books, meaning that (s)he will possibly play an important role in Book 7, since this is where JKR has promised that she will try to provide all the answers to the remaining questions.
I think that person could be Snape. Lets face it he was there at the killing of Harry Potters parents, and hes been with Dumbledore all the time and he also said the he is the Dark Lords favroite person/Death Eater, only bad thing is we dont know if hes good or not but if he is good I bet he could help Harry alot.
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even if snape is all knowing and even if he is good............he would never help out harry, he sees harry as a mediocre wizard and due to his hsitory with harry's dad, he loathes harry, cannot bear the site of him.............
even if snape is all knowing and even if he is good............he would never help out harry, he sees harry as a mediocre wizard and due to his hsitory with harry's dad, he loathes harry, cannot bear the site of him.............
I rekon the "all knowing person" is Snape well he wont know all but he does know alot
Listening at the door and alot of other stuff he was involved with hehe. He knows alot more than Harry thinks and to let him run away with the DE like that was a Mistake
He will save Harry(maybe)
Maybe Malfoy will go to the Good Side
Listening at the door and alot of other stuff he was involved with hehe. He knows alot more than Harry thinks and to let him run away with the DE like that was a Mistake
He will save Harry(maybe)
Maybe Malfoy will go to the Good Side
Well, as nice as it would be for there to be someone who knew just about everything that was going on, besides the author, I doubt it. That's really not J.K. Rowling to her fullest, and seeing as I've said it before about how much more a talented author she is, I wont say it again. I agree that Snape is cool, and that he knows a lot more than he wants us to know about, but he's not all knowing, he's not like the mister voodoo man of the happy go lucky world where he knows everything thats happening, you know? He's cool, but let's not really talk about that now, cause he's too cool to be in this forum when were talking about his all knowingness, which he doesn't like to flaunt cause he's too cool to do something like that. I'm a pesimist who loves depressing endings, so maybe I should stop right now before I start talking about how cool I think it would be if the Dark Lord took over the world.
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But even if there is someone out there, don't you think Rowling would have somehow slightly incorporated them into the 5th or 6th book? Or maybe, maybe they're right in front of us, and they won't say anything till book 7.
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Dun dun dunnnn.
well there is definately some one out there who knows pretty much stuff abt harry LV,,, and horcrux ,,, well we can see that R.A.B is still unknown and no matter if he is dead or alive,, harry will find him out and certain things will be revealed afterwards ,,,
so we can expect tht we may see a chapter on R.A.B's revealations ,,,
so we can expect tht we may see a chapter on R.A.B's revealations ,,,
I don't think that anyone could know everything. It would be too easy for Harry. And it isn't JK's style
has everyone forotten that peter(wormtail) is indebted to harry for saving his life from sirius and lupin? i believe that wormtail will finally grow a backbone and stand up for what is right, he probably will die, but i think he will tell harry some of voldemort's secrets. anyways thats what i think take it or leave it/
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IF there was someone there, they would have to have known the secret. Otherwise the house would not have been visible to them. So, Wormtail must have told them. This implies that the had to be a Death Eater. If Wormtail told a good person, they would have told DD that Wormtail was the Secret Keeper. DD would not have let Sirius go to Azkaban.
So, anyone there had to be a Death Eater. I could see it being Snape. He will clearly play a large role in Book 7. Moreover, would Harry possibly believe any other Death Eater? Maybe Wormtail. This would be one way for Peter to repay his debt to Harry. Also, this explains how Wormtail could have taken LV's wand.
But I do not think there is any reason for there to be an omnipotent character. I do think that there will be somebody who knows about LV's past. Who that is....I am not sure. Probably not a Death Eater, as they would not help Harry. I envision a Slughorn-esque character. Knows the truth but is too scared to act on it.
So, anyone there had to be a Death Eater. I could see it being Snape. He will clearly play a large role in Book 7. Moreover, would Harry possibly believe any other Death Eater? Maybe Wormtail. This would be one way for Peter to repay his debt to Harry. Also, this explains how Wormtail could have taken LV's wand.
But I do not think there is any reason for there to be an omnipotent character. I do think that there will be somebody who knows about LV's past. Who that is....I am not sure. Probably not a Death Eater, as they would not help Harry. I envision a Slughorn-esque character. Knows the truth but is too scared to act on it.
i think peter petigrew ws there and knows where all the horcuxes are and that he will tell harry bcause harry saved his life and he is in dept to harry. or i think it is RAB and he/she has been trying to destroy all of the horcruxes and has managed a few 
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i think peter petigrew ws there and knows where all the horcuxes are and that he will tell harry bcause harry saved his life and he is in dept to harry.
i sure hope so, i think watching Harry questing around the wizarding world in search of the the horcruxes and destroying them would make for a really dull book. Now it would be interesting for a while, but not almost the entire book, i hope someone will be there to help.
Harrypottermyidol, Love the idea with RAB as the all-knowing caractor, and in Godrics hollow that night. I do think that it could be the reason. and maybe when harry finds out who RAB is, he will resive help from him. Because i dont think that RAB is dead as he writes he probably is
I think Petunia could have been there the night Harry's parents died. That way she knows all about how horrible Voldie can be and that could be the secret about Petunia.
There has to be someone who knows, because how will Harry (hopefully) find the other horcruxs without help from an outside person, there will probably be a new character, someone with dark secrets. and if it not a new someone then yah i think it will be harrys aunt, because obviously she knows more than she should
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