Ok, we all know that Harry is an underage wizard, and underage wizards are not allowed to do magic outside of hogwarts. so why is harry doing "lumos" over and over again?

I have no idea actually. That got me wondering as well. Well if Jo Rowling allowed Steve Kloves to include that in the script then it must be ok, I guess.

its homework..he's doing it for school look at the page of the spell book.

but in the book it says that he was using a flashlight, you still cant do magic even for schoolword. only in emergencies

Yeah I know it's weird...but anyway..that scene was cool though!

it was cool! i guess they just did put the lumos part in because they wanted to maybe?

Not that I know much (or anything really) about movies...but maybe because it looked better on screen? Added more visually than just a flashlight? Although it was cool scene...I still wondered about that too...

He did look really cool, but it did bother me that he did magic at home. And even when he was talking to Fudge in the hotel room, he says "But we're not allowed to do magic at home." But it made the opening title pretty cool.

i just cant believe j.k rowling would let them do that...she was always pretty picky about that kind of thing

The movies have an error at the first scence of the movie! Harry cast "Lumos" to read the book! Did in the last year he said:"I cant do magic outside the school"?!

lol yeh... well i guess they werent paying attention to what they were doing! jk should have caught that though!!

the homework is how to cast the spell "lumos Maxima"!!!!!!!!!!!!

so it would have been ok!

Yeah I thought the opening sequence was brilliant.

But like all of you, I did wonder about it coz we all know that under-aged wizards are not allowed to use magic outside of school.

As some of you have said, maybe because it's homework.

And yeah, as I've said before, everything has to get JKR's approval first, so if it's in the movie, then she must have agreed to it. For some reason..

Again, maybe because it's homework.

It definitely looked better visually. If they were gonna follow the book, then I reckon they wouldn't have put in that scene at all. It would have been boring and nothing out of the ordinary.

But yeah I agree with Kimcatus, I think they thought it'd be a really cool intro. And it was!!

look at this: http://img37.photobucket.com/albums/v114/i...HP3TC_CD1-3.jpg

But...how could they change to Lumous Maximine it's horrible!!

It's actually Lumos Maxima.

Put it this way, in all 3 movies, there were some spells that was cast that doesn't appear in the books.

E.g. the spell Harry used to ward the spiders off in CoS
the spell that Hermione used to break open Sirius' cell in POA

...all well and good but...I always assumed that because they were underage and wern't allowed to do magic outside of school, all homework was theory anyway...Surely it would be...Otherwise there'd be muggle seeing dancing teacups all over the place an it'd be *oh, but it's alright, it's HOMEWORK*...

Still, as everyone else said, it made for a beautiful opening sequence, and cheers Iceman, for showing that pic, that it was indeed in the book...

I think they allowed it for two reasons:

1) he was studying... if he isn't allowed to practice, he likely wouldn't get very good. practice makes perfect.

2) him using a flashlight is so much less visually appealing than using the spell was. that opening sequence was brilliant

Hear hear severely_severus, exactly my point!!

Well movie wise that makes sense, but i did notice that too. and hermione in the 1st two films, fixing harry's glasses, but i think magic is allowed on the train.

Did you guys get this message?

Harry was saying 'Lumos Maxima' to bother dear Uncle Vernon.(At least I think sooooooo).

And of course as every1 else had said Harry was doing homework in the summer which is awful.

The teachers wouldn't give a homework assignment like dancing teacups, it's way too risky. They'll probably think about stuff like "small" magic that students can use during their homework. Harry had mostly essays anyway so. . .poor child.

maybe basic spells like "lumos" can be used outside of school. cause if he wasnt supposed to do that, then he would have gotten a letter from the m.o.m.

Listen to this:
Adolescent themes merely touched upon in Rowling's "Azkaban" book are embellished and made explicit in Cuaron's cinematic interpretation. The opening wand scene, a thinly veiled allusion to masturbation, is a new addition.
::gives a giggle:: Tehe, I think that might expalin it.

Mmm..... Let's not explore that particular possibility here though please.....for obvious reasons....

Thanks.

Of course, but still it could explain it.

i don't know why they made it like that but i thought it was a great beginning to the movie.

yeah it was really cool but it wasnt oin the book! i hate it when they do things like that!

Hey, this made me think of something: I must be allowed because remember Aunt Petuna saying that Harry's mom came home from Hogwarts turning teacups into toads?? (Sorry, I don't have my book with me right now.... )

well it still wasnt in the book.............in fact alot of things from the movbie werent in the book. thats nit right! people make me mad when they do things like that! well i do know one thing that i hope gets fixed. Hr/R wasnt in the book so why woulds they put it in the movie?......... hmmm....................hmmmmmmmm........! i dunno what to think now! now im all frustrated!

Could you please make sure that your posts relate to the topic and have at least some point to make?

I am getting very tired of having to repeat myself around here.

I don't mind doing it so much for the newbies...but when I have to tell people who have been around here for long enough to know better, I really start to lose my rag.

In Harry's hearin in OoTP they only mention the patronus, but harry did use the lumos spell, to find he's wand who layd, five inches or so away from he's hand.
so, perhaps, only charms that could be dangerous for the wizarding world to have a muggle to see, if you know what i mean.

I don't think that the scene has any overall importance. Perhaps for the people that haven't experienced Hp it was telling them how cool Harry is and how the Dursleys are *bad* people (for want of a better adjective) It was just re-instating the story line and how evil Uncle Vernon is.

yea, the movie was aesome, but as you said zyra, someone will come screaming about the driffrence between the book and the movie, like me:P
I wished they could put more details in the movie's, like lessons, or other happnings, not just the main happings.

yeah, I doubt they would sit in there for 16 houers.
I'm don't wanna be Mr. america or something, but think about all the kids, who cant eat normally, they arnt given any food for day's and here we are complaining abou some details in the last Harry Potter movie:P

It's worth discuss, its not that, it's just we shouldn't get to upset about it, you knoe what i mean?

I don't wanna make a discuss about the children who don't get enough food, that wasnt what I meant

Yes, it was annoying to see Harry use magic. But that's not what annoys me the most, what annoys me is: If your going to direct a spell at the beginning, make sure the words are correct!!! What was up with the Lumos Maximus???! I mean, that's not one of the spells in J.K.'s books, please. It was already annoying enough that he was doing illegal stuff, now he's using unfimilar incorrect words?? Wonder why he choose that... why did he particularly choose, maximus??

For your information, it was lumos maxima...

I don't see why everyone keeps bagging PoA just because of this spell...hello, have another watch of PS/SS and CoS and you'll find that there were spells used in there that don't appear in the book either.

And just for the record, it's not the director's fault in this instance, it is the screenwriter who decides what spell goes into the scripts. Kloves probably did sit down together with the director, David Heyman and JKR to discuss this and if JKR allowed it then it really isn't that big a deal is it?

I mean, I'm pretty sure in the world of magic there are HEAPS of spells a wizard and witch can learn so it's unlikely JKR will be able to go through all of them in her books. So why not look at it in another more positive way and say hey, I've learnt ANOTHER new spell to try and cast on some innocent person on the street hehehe

You guys are just taking this a little TOO seriously, lighten up!! Movies are supposed to be entertaining and showcasing the filming craft...and in the case of HP, they are ONLY meant to be BASED on the books, not be an exact visual replication of all that really happens. Even JKR knows this and is fine with it, how about a little more support from the fans eh?!

I don't care how it's spelled. I just feel that whoever is in charge of the scripts or whatever shouldn't of changed it in SS or CoS and never should of done so in PoA. No one in my family reads the book except me, so they recieve the wrong information of activities and spells. It's quite annoying how they keep changing things from the books. I would like to see for once someone actually doing exactly what comes out of the books, which is impossible, I know.

Well I'd like to see you try and take a 317-page book and transfer it to screen with a 2 hour 20 minute timeframe. Believe me mate, it's not that easy. It's quite the task really, and it's only gonna get harder...good luck to Michael Goldenberg for OotP coz he's definitely gonna have his work cut out for him!!

I understand that it gets annoying when people who don't read the books get the wrong information, and you're like feeling all "no that's not how it happened, that's not what he/she said!!" but think about it. You know the truth right, so now you can try enticing your friends and family to read the books too...coz after all, it is THEIR loss that they're getting a different take on the actual happenings of the book, isn't it?!

Harry wasn't really doing magic--the kind that he was accused of doing in Order of the Phoenix. Violation of Wizardry Secrecy is purposly magicking another object, the person, or using magic in general whilst in the presence of another person; thus violating a Wizarding Law. Harry was doing homework to freshen and keep his skills in the particular subject managable whilst not in the presence of another person--not breaking Secrecy and not violating any rule or rights of another person.

Exactly what I've been trying to point out all this time!! Thank you!!

Oh, welcome to the forums btw!!

I'm sure the ministry is able to differentiate between when a wizard/witch is performing illegal magic and when he/she is just practising incantations legally and that is for homework purposes.

Yeah, I'm also wondering. But does a simple Lumos is not okay? I mean, though it's magic, there's no harm done and Harry did it at the Muggles' back. No one saw it.

Maybe they are allowed to do "Lumos" and NOT other spells.

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Maybe they let them do simple things, like the Lumus one.