maria.es
Aug 8 2005, 06:42 AM
ok so heres my big question about the harry potter books, it just doesnt make sense to me so here it is... y was voldemort in Slytherin, i thought only pure bloods were admitted in slytherin and we all know that voldemort is definetely NOT a pure blood... maybe its somethin im missing that i overlooked in the books but ive read all of them over three times, of course u never know... so if u have the answer pleeease tell me.. thanks
razzberry2
Aug 8 2005, 08:56 AM
Hi maria

and welcome to the VTM forums.
The 'Discussion' forum is for discussing editorials etc. I am going to move your topic into the Books General forum where I am sure it will attract more attention.
It's a good idea to read the rules when your a newbie if you haven't already.

Also conducting a 'search' before opening a topic will avoid the disappointment of your topic being closed because it is a duplicate.
Any way I have several links in my sig that can be helpful and we have Prefects on staff who are more than willing to help out a newbie if they can.
thanks razz
Pixymajik
Aug 8 2005, 01:31 PM
Heya Maria and welcome to the forum

While the majority of Slytherin's are full-blood, I was under the impression that the 'trait' that is most desired to belong to that house was Ambition. Tom Riddle- as he was when he started at Hogwarts- definatly aspired to be something great. He wanted power and I think his previous experiences suggested that he use whatever he could to get it. So that's definatly a Slytherin trait.
The interesting thing is some of the other people that ended up in Slytherin--- such as Crabbe and Goyle. Both are hardly what I'd call 'ambitious people'
bubotuber_pus
Aug 8 2005, 01:59 PM
Yeah, but Crabbe and Goyle are a bit... not good and you have to be also a bit not good to be in Slytherin... I mean, they use their physical strength to help Draco who's bad bad boy
Nimbus
Aug 8 2005, 03:43 PM
Hiho, another thread discussing sort of the same thing can be found
here if you wanna check it out. Or maybe a mod could just combine the two, as they are pretty simular.
padma_patil_go
Aug 8 2005, 11:53 PM
I think it's because the Sorting Hat saw him as a descendent of Salazar Slytherin, had the aspects of becoming a Dark wizard, and also had ambition(thanks Pixymajik). Those are probably enough to become a Slytherin student any day. Don't you think so?
radie
Aug 19 2005, 09:28 PM
[FONT=Arial][COLOR=green]Tom Riddle was placed in Slytherin house mostly because he is the last decendant of Salazar Slytherin. Voldemort is also (obviously) quite evil, as was Slytherin. Tom possesses virtually all of the qualities Slytherin valued. Those things make up for the fact that he isn't exactly "pure-blood", I guess.
DDHorcrux
Sep 14 2005, 12:46 AM
yeah, what radie said, he was the last remaining descendant of salazar himself, i dont think the sorting hat would go and put him into ravenclaw, or hufflepuff, or (as far as im concerned, this is impossible) Griffindor, theres only one house for a slytherin, and thats Slytherin, notice the name similarites? lol, but one question i do have is what house was his mother in? i mean, i know shes a slytherin, but shes nothing like the others, she was nice, not mean, and liked muggles, apparently from her love choices, lol, if you can answer it, please do
SeventhHorcrux
Sep 26 2005, 06:01 AM
How would he not be chosen for Slytherin if he was a direct descendant of Salazar Slytherin himself? I am sure that that bit of family history far overrides the fact that he is not a pure blood. I also believe that not all Slytherins are purebloods. Sirius himself says that there are hardly any pure bloods left in the wizarding world. So how would 1/4 of the school be pure blood?
addicted2harry
Oct 14 2005, 04:16 AM
| QUOTE (radie @ Aug 19 2005, 02:35 PM) |
| [FONT=Arial][COLOR=green]Tom Riddle was placed in Slytherin house mostly because he is the last decendant of Salazar Slytherin. Voldemort is also (obviously) quite evil, as was Slytherin. Tom possesses virtually all of the qualities Slytherin valued. Those things make up for the fact that he isn't exactly "pure-blood", I guess. |
You might be on to something there!!!
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Padfoot313
Oct 14 2005, 06:12 PM
I am going to agree with padma_patil_go, he was placed there because of his ancestory but also because of his greed toward power and absolute majestic status. The sorting hat probably noticed his evil streak and knew where to put him right away. I know most slytherins are pure bloods, but there could be those that are so evil inside that there blood doesn't matter (SNAPE!!!!!).
bajab
Oct 17 2005, 03:24 AM
I don't understand why Death eaters would ever use anything except the AK when fighting. One hit and your enemy is no more, so why bother with any other spell if you can use the AK?
They can't be afraid of what happens if they get caught, and it doesn't seem to be any more effort than other spells, although you do have to mean it (which might exclude a few who can't actually do it).
Doesn't make sense to me to pussy foot around with stunning spells etc.
Tuitus
Oct 17 2005, 07:27 PM
I think the reason why Death Eaters use other spells is because they are working under the direction of Lord Voldemort, who is waging tactical warfare; not kill every person that immediately stands against them. We have seen their missions do vary, case in point the battle at the Dept. of Mysteries. The Death Eaters were ordered by their master to steal the prophecy from Harry once he removed it from the shelf. They were specifically told not to curse Potter, as he holds the fragile record. And even though Harry brought (resignedly) five companions who gave chase, Lucius Malfoy ordered his fellow DE only to kill if necessary.
bajab
Oct 17 2005, 11:03 PM
Thats the point. Malfoy said " you can kill the others if necessary"
Why not kill them anyway? There was no obvious reason not to kill them and it would have increased their chances of winning to remove opponents once and for all.
Tuitus
Oct 17 2005, 11:13 PM
Maybe Lucius said if necessary to emphasize their breaking and entry into the Dept. of Mysteries was to be a covert mission. Killing 14 and 15 year-old children in a top-secret section of the Ministry would draw attention.
bajab
Oct 18 2005, 05:49 AM
Leaving no witnesses would have made it more 'covert' since nobody would have been able to say what actually happened.
It just doesn't make sense that even while running away, after been involved in a murder, they would use anything except AK to defend themselves (HPB), especially when Hagrid was resisting curses.
Another thing that doesn't make sense is why Lupin's clothes are patched instead of fixed (reparo), and why anybody would buy a second bottle of anything when they can just use a refilling charm.
Then again the wole wizarding world is a little bit crazy and non-linear!
Nick
Oct 18 2005, 09:20 AM
Ok, please don't get me wrong here - I don't think i'm even close to an expert on Harry Potter, but I wanted to try help answer a few of these questions.
The biggest seems to be Why death eaters use spells other than AK. Well firstly, as titus said, they have to obey Voldemorts orders, which is more than likely going to be capture and torture rather than kill. Secondly, AK is known to be an extremely powerful curse, ergo it takes a lot of anger hatred and above all, concentration. If a death eater is trying to think of a quick way out of a tight spot, they don't have the time to put their mind solely on the killing curse. I also think there is a slight chance the curse could be blocked, upon which it would rebound upon them. But as i said before, its known as an extremely powerful curse that can't just be thrown around.
Ok, and onto why not just refill an empty bottle? The answer i think is most obvious here is that it's just not the same. If bottles are refilled by magic, the contents wouldn't be as good as a fresh one. For example, potions may not work as well without fresh ingredients.
Next we have the reparo charm. The obvious answer to this is that Reparo doesn't work on material - only solid objects like pots, harrys glasses etc.
NickHilton
Oct 18 2005, 09:56 AM
I really think this is a good point. Firstly the sorting hat was created in the time when Slytherin departed, so perhaps Gryffindor gave it orders like anyone with ambition or cunning, rather than pure-blood like it was when slytherin was there.
bajab
Oct 18 2005, 11:21 AM
They do actually seem to throw the AK around a fair bit though, just not all the time, and if they weren't concentrating hard enough or showing enough hate, it just wouldn't kill (according to the fake Moody in GOF). The rebounding bit is a idea that makes sense.
Can't see why magic would taste different. Molly uses magic in her cooking and nobody complains. Hagrid and Slughorn didn't notice the difference in the wine, and it still got them drunk. I wonder if a refilled bottle of Felix Felicis makes you a bit less lucky than a "fresh" bottle?.
In HBP DD and Slughorn repaired a wrecked room including slashed cushions. Although it didn't say they used reparo, the point is still the same - Why patch something when you could use magic to fix it? I always wondered why somebody didn't fix Ron's wand in COS, he used tape instead.
Tuitus
Oct 20 2005, 06:38 AM
Magical cooking, the refilling charm and “reparo” appear to be substantive magic, which produces or alters a separate entity from emotion and intent. Magical cooking would involve a combination of potion-making skills and the ability to produce edible material from intent/emotion. The refilling charm seems to magically stretch the beverage into a greater quantity, very similar to when people add a neutral ingredient into a food or drink to make it last longer. Eventually from consumption, the original beverage or food would be gone and a refilling charm wouldn’t work. The taste may wane, but I think the refilling charm would hold the alcohol in-check, especially since that is what Harry’s intent was. Felix Felicis is a very complex potion considering ingredients and the different phases the substance has to take (for six months) till it is complete. We don’t know how Felix would react to a refilling charm since it is fairly dangerous to begin with.
| QUOTE |
| Why patch something when you could use magic to fix it? |
I think the practical reason is imagination can’t solve all of our problems; we need to roll up our sleeves and manually repair things.
Ron’s wand, a hand-me-down from Charlie, may have been beyond repair. Or, maybe the Weasleys couldn’t pay for a wandmaker like Mr. Ollivander to fix it. A magic wand is a unique invention that might be extremely difficult to mend into what it used to be.
bajab
Oct 20 2005, 01:23 PM
Doesn't seem to need too much potion making.
From Gof:
"Mrs. Weasley slammed a large copper saucepan down on the kitchen table and began to wave her wand around inside it. A creamy sauce poured from the wand tip as she stirred."
Interesting idea about refilling just ending up with a 'dilluted' substance that lacks some of qualities of the original, but not all. It would make for a very limited spell that hardly seems worth teaching though.
You would think reparo would work better than tape, which is what Ron used, and you would think Lupin's clothes would be as easy to fix as ripped cushions. Same goes for Sirius when he was on the run. You think since he had managed to buy Harry a new broome he would have been able to get a wand and clean himself up. I'm sure he wouldn't have minded refilling a bottle of wine a few times while he was living in the cave on rats, even if it wasn't as good as a new bottle.
Tuitus
Oct 20 2005, 09:21 PM
I think magical cooking does take some potion-making skills and charm work. Do we know what part of their meal the creamy sauce she magically produced was? Is the sauce gravy? Or was it an ingredient to an entrée?
The refilling charm could be useful when people have to put safety first and stay sheltered for a few days. And since the war may intensify, I think Harry will resort to that spell on occasion.
Remus’s attire may be more worn and ragged in part because of his transformations. From how the film depicted it, he literally grew out of his robes and was ripping them apart too. Once he is human again, Remus probably has to run for cover and then retrieve what’s left of his clothes. That is when he could find his wand and fix his clothing with reparo. The fibers though magically sewn together may eventually lose their former texture, since he does transform on a monthly basis. Which implies his ‘new’ clothes become too thin and weak to hold up after maybe a year.
felix_felicis_444
Oct 20 2005, 09:37 PM
No, you dont NEED to be a Pure-Blood to be in Slytherin...
you just must, as they were discussing on Page 1 of this thread, need an AMBITION for something, and also have a DIRTY SIDE...
the "badness" of the Slytherins sually comes from their ambitions...they will do practically anything and everything to succeed in what they want to do....look at Lord Voldemort and Draco as 2 perfect examples....
bajab
Oct 20 2005, 10:53 PM
Percy has a lot of ambition and was a pure blood but was not slytherin, so ambition doesn't seem to be the factor. Look at what he has done for his ambition, turned his back on his family and perpetuated a harmful lie on the world. Even after been proved wrong his pride won't let him admit it. 'Dirty side' sounds more likely, but then the hat almost put Harry in and he doesn't seem to have a dark side.
Since the hat is magical and does not necessarily follow logical human rules, it may be that it does a bit of future telling and puts people in each house depending on their future? Bit of a circular fortune telling thing maybe? Of course Slughorn sort of throws that argument.
As for lupin's clothes, surely he can't be that much of an idiot that he would stay dressed knowing exactly when he was goin to turn into a werewolf. His clothes would get damaged very infrequently I would say.
Still can't see what potion making has to do with magically producing sauce from a wand tip. Fudge conjured a drink out of thin air for the prime minister, as did DD for the Dursleys. You wouldn't expect these to be less than as good as a 'bought' bottle. Refilling sounds like just another way of doing the same thing, but easier since you don't need to make the bottle.
And if you think conjuring is just 'teleporting' something that already exists, then that makes a whole list of other things that don't make sense.
Tuitus
Oct 21 2005, 04:12 AM
The ideal quality of Slytherin is being a cunning individual. They can effectively contort a situation for their own advantage. Voldemort, Severus Snape, Barty Crouch Jr., Lucius Malfoy and Dolores Umbridge are cunning.
I see your point with Lupin. My only example was when he was distracted and didn’t prepare properly.
I was thinking with magical cooking that there are occasions when the witch/wizard could produce or conjure food, and there are separate occasions when the cook needs potion-making skills when combing foods like with stews and soups.
In theory, conjuration is a projection of a quality, emotion, and intent into a separate form. Conjured matter vanishes after a few hours, depending on how powerful it is. These different techniques do overlap; conjuring is more difficult than refilling or producing substances or altering them. It’s the wizard’s choice which method to use. I hope Rowling makes the rules of her fiction more definite otherwise it won’t make sense.
| QUOTE |
| And if you think conjuring is just 'teleporting' something that already exists, then that makes a whole list of other things that don't make sense. |
I think that is apparition/vanishment.
bajab
Oct 21 2005, 02:07 PM
I would not call Crabbe or Goyle a cunning individual! Slughorn is the odd one out, all the rest in Slytherine seem to have a bit of 'evil' in them.
Hang on I just had a thought - Maybe it is the BELIEF that pure bloods are better that makes you a good Slytherin. It is the only common thing. (Harry didn't believe Slughorn when he said he didn't care about it).
I did not get the impression that conjured matter vanishes after a few hours. Was this somewhere in the books? I suppose in the case of wine it would have gone through you in a few hours anyway so it wouldn't matter.

Still, it does seem that nowhere in the books is it implied that magically produced foods are inferior to 'normal' foods. I don't think we saw anyone refill or conjure anything that had magical properties, so that may not be possible, but we did see them do it with drinks, so it still doesn't make sense that you would buy a second bottle rather than refill the first one or conjure a new one. The only reason I can think of that fits with the books is if you were lazy, not any good at the spell, or as a matter of style.
If intent was a big factor in conjuring I would not have liked to have eaten Molly's food after she conjured the sauce, she was very angry at the time! (the cooking was described as excellent later on).
NickHilton
Oct 21 2005, 06:21 PM
I reckon that the Pure blood entry was only while Salazar Slytherin was at the school. Gryffindor probably told that hat to accept people with similar mindsets to Slytherins, or something like that. Plus Voldemort is Slytherins heir whether or not he is pure blood, i'm sure Uncle Salazar would let him in on that basis.
Tuitus
Oct 23 2005, 06:55 AM
It could be the belief that Pure-Bloods are better or maybe Slytherins believe in circumstance and things we can’t control that prove what is better/worse.
My theory that conjured matter disappears depends on a few examples. The first is the Patronus Charm. The Patronus is a conjuration and vanishes if it isn’t strong enough or if their conjuror no longer needs their help. Leprechaun gold also vanishes after a few hours. And my last example was a quote from JKR that states, “-Something you conjure out of thin air will not last.” Most instances of conjuration in the books either show a wizard/witch vanish what he/she made or it isn’t stated the conjurations vanish.
I agree it doesn’t make sense for the most part why wizards buy beverages when they could make them and your reasons for people not conjuring materials. The same quote says there is legislation about what you can conjure and what you can’t. The quote is from an interview
here.
It is not logical for Mrs. Weasley to ruin dinner because she was angry with her twin sons; other people who didn’t deserve her anger also had to eat.
bajab
Oct 24 2005, 07:35 AM
Or maybe getting into Slytherin is just a matter of believing that YOU are better than just about everybody else, for one reason or another. The whole pureblood thing is just an excuse to feel superior. That would explain how Slughorn got in, but then you would think Percy probably should have too, not to mention the marauders.
I had not read that interview. Very clear; Conjured items don't last. Wish she had made that clear in the books somewhere. Since Dumbledore and Fudge both conjured drinks, and they teach the refilling charm at school to children, it would seem that is not illegal. Repairing must be different though, or the onwers of the house where Slughorn was hiding are going to get a very nasty shock one day.
I don't think Molly was been very logical at the time, she was just angry, very angry, but she still managed to make a sauce that didn't ruin the dinner.
I bet while Sirius was on the run he wished he had paid more attention to food creating magic, and other domestic type spells.
Tuitus
Oct 28 2005, 01:45 AM
The superiority thing makes sense. Which also implies that some if not most Slytherins believe fairness and equality are illusions. That could be why Percy is not a Slytherin, he could believe a powerful government can be fair and equal under the proper leadership-himself.
I think only certain materials are not supposed to be conjured. Stuff that could disrupt the market like conjured money or fake patented substances/inventions- in other words, counterfeit. Yeah, the repairing charm appears to seal the broken object back together, and then it’s done. The object is now physically sound. If the spell had to consistently keep a broken object together, a lot material possessions would be in disrepair.
Maybe Molly’s emotions from the rare event of having the whole family together and their first three sons with promising careers overruled her present feelings with the twins.
Is there anything that doesn’t make sense which is appropriate for this thread, bajab?
bajab
Oct 28 2005, 05:41 AM
I think most of my 'gripes' are covered by a simple statement:
Wizards are not very practical
I have a few more things that don't make sense, and there may be other threads covering them, but I have not seen them.
Why would Voldemorte run off and hide in a forrest and wait for a loyal death eater to find him rather than go FIND a death eater himself, especially considering that, by the time of PS, he could possess people?
Seems he could have just nipped off to the house of one of his more loyal henchmen and had him do the wand work. If he was worried about his underling taking advantage of his weakened state he could have forced/tricked some patsy (like Quirell, or Wormtail) into it.
Tuitus
Oct 28 2005, 06:05 AM

No they're arent practical, wizards depend on magic too much.

That is a good question, why didn't he? I think Voldemort 'forgot' about his weaker subjects because either:
- He truly is so inhumane that he couldn't trust anyone while he was a cloud immediately afterwards.
- Voldemort was too arrogant to consider floating to for example, the Malfoy Manor.
- He panicked, Voldemort did almost die. If I almost died, my emotions would be turbulent, and reason would've left me.
bajab
Oct 28 2005, 06:26 AM
I'd say they don't use magic enough and depend on 'muggle' things, like candles, too much. If they used magic for everything they could their world would be very different, like no patching of clothes.
Voldy probably did panic, at first, and was in a huge amount of pain, but years later? And then after Quirrell he went back to the forrest for another long wait until wormtail happened to show up.
Tuitus
Oct 28 2005, 06:41 AM
True, they use Muggle materials; but I mean they depend on magic to help in solving problems, Muggles never had that option and devised logic.
Lord Voldemort's attitude is the fear/paranoia of death, so when he nearly died because AK backfired, it's possible VaporMort was too suspicious/cautious to seek his servants' assistance. He actually depends on their fear of a master to motivate their actions, It didn't work, did it?

Voldemort claimed at his 'rebirthing party' that after the incident with the Philosopher's Stone, he basically gave up hope any real DE would find him.
bajab
Oct 28 2005, 07:42 AM
From GOF:
"I could not hope that I would be sent another wizard to possess..", so he gave up instead of going looking for one! That's what doesn't make sense (to me).
Wizards definately live on a different brand of logic, and that excuses almost all of the things that bug me, but it seems like a bit of a "deus ex machina" thing.
Tuitus
Oct 28 2005, 07:29 PM
I see your point, but lets remember not all witches and wizards are nonsensical. On a general basis, it is easier for them to depend on magic, which IMO is the fantastic aspect of what is real. Meaning wizards use their imagination, their minds eye to properly control their powers. Hermione and Lupin for the most part are able to use logic and magic very well. Dumbledore though eccentric, was also logical and used deductive reasoning. Dark wizard catchers need to use logic to find criminals, infiltrate the black market and the fold, as well as learn their opponents’ strengths/weaknesses. Look at Moody for example. Although he is now a retired Auror who is practically paranoid, at his prime he was able to find and capture many Death Eaters without using dark magic.
bajab
Oct 31 2005, 08:35 AM
Dumbledore was definately eccentric, ot say the least.
Why set up that huge puzzle to hide the PS when he could have hidden it with the Fidelius charm.
Tuitus
Oct 31 2005, 08:28 PM
Yes, to say the least.
Do you remember how Harry was able to retrieve the Philosopher’s Stone? His heart’s desire was to only to find it and keep it away from Voldemort, not to acquire vast wealth or everlasting life.
Very few people would have seen that in the Mirror of Erised, meaning only the
uniquely pure of heart would bear no desire to use the stone for themselves, but instead protect it from the corrupt. That is where Dumbledore placed his trust and faith, in Harry. He understood that most wizards and witches in the present time, even those who belong to the Order of the Phoenix, might actually concede to the wonders of life and fortune. The Fidelius Charm requires the castor to have faith in the Secret-Keeper’s ability of choosing to conceal the secret in themselves; or else the secret is made privy to another who would use the knowledge against the castor. Harry would’ve been an ideal Secret-Keeper, but Dumbledore had faith Harry Potter beyond the workings of a powerful spell and chose to let Harry unravel the mystery and confront his nemesis with the aide of new friends instead.
bajab
Nov 1 2005, 12:54 AM
I wasn't thinking of Harry as the secret keeper, I was thinking of another teacher, like Snape, or for Flamel to make Dumbledore the secret keeper.
It is just another example of the difference between muggle and wizard logic (in which case Harry probably would have been the secrect keeper!)
BTW: I found another reference to making food by magic too, at least it seems to be to me. In HBP after viewing Merope's impoverished state, Harry says "But she could do magic! She could have got food and everything for herself by magic, couldn't she?"
Dumbledore didn't correct this thought but said he suspected she had stopped using magic. I don't think Harry was implying she could use magic to steal things or earn money to get them. He definately seems to be saying she could have conjured what she needed.
I think that just goes to show, Harry is more 'muggle minded' than most wizards who would not have thought of this!
Tuitus
Nov 1 2005, 01:24 AM
True, Flamel could’ve made Dumbledore a Secret-keeper; and I wouldn’t be surprised if Albus proposed that possibility to Nicolas. Yes, Harry is more Muggle-minded partially because of how the Dursleys treated him as a child. He has endured punishments forcing Harry to choose to basically raise himself and Merope had a similar dilemma. However, she was not as courageous as Harry, and after Riddle abandoned her, she most likely relented to the misery instead of forcing herself beyond her broken heart to raise an expected child. If Merope Riddle endured, she probably would’ve magically made food to survive and hopefully find a stable job.
bajab
Nov 1 2005, 01:59 PM
NikiHilton just asked in a GOF thread why somebody didn't just 'accio egg' in the first task. I'd say they just didn't think to try it!
Or maybe Accio Ron (but he was tied to a post), or Accio Goblet of Fire (we know that one works).
Merope sold her only possesion rather than use magic to make food, before her son was born. My point was Harry thought about using magic to make food rather than buying it and Dumbledore didn't say it wasn't possible. I take this as supporting proof that you can make food and drink with magic and wizards generally don't because their minds work along very different (and non very practical) lines. Sirius didn't really need Harry to bring him food in GOF either then.
Locking Sirius inside Grimauld place didn't make sense either. There were so many ways he could have gotten around disguised, including using polyjuice potion, that sitting around going stir crazy was just plain silly.
Tuitus
Nov 2 2005, 05:50 PM
Dumbledore made a hypothesis about why Merope stopped using magic. Either she didn’t want to be a witch anymore or Merope’s powers disappeared. Both possibilities explain she couldn’t make food with magic anymore, and had to survive along the margins. Out of desperation (and probably starving too) Merope sold her only possession of considerable value, which is a practical thing to do. I don’t think Sirius had a wand while in the cave; and we don’t know yet if wizards can produce food without a wand. Harry gave Sirius and Buckbeak food from Hogwarts as an act of kindness; it doesn’t matter if Sirius could make food by magic.
Dumbledore did admit he was being overprotective of Sirius because he cared for Sirius’s safety, and knew full well that Sirius is the type of man who can’t be under house arrest. The obvious threat to Sirius was the Ministry trying to find him, but with Voldemort gaining a body again, he was now in far greater danger. Wormtail ratted on Sirius to his master, who turn told his Death Eaters to be prepared for Black meddling with them. Another possible reason not disclosed to Harry could be that Dumbledore did not want Sirius to leave Number 12 because he is a brave, but rash wizard who would expose the re-organization of the Order of the Phoenix and the Death Eaters, thus starting open warfare.
There is a thread about the issue of summoning the golden egg can be found
here.
bajab
Nov 3 2005, 05:55 AM
Why Merope didn't use magic is not the point. That it appears they can use magic to make food is.
Good point about Sirius and his wand. When did he get one I wonder. Since he bought Harry a broom while he was on the run, I imagine he could have gotten a wand, even if it wasn't exactly right for him. He did end up getting one somehere before Ootp didn't he?. Anybody know how? (might be a good plot for a fanfic). Sirius was starving and asked Harry to send him food because he could only steal or beg so often.
Since Sirius defied DD to go out as a dog at least once, and to rescue Harry once, and knowing his lack of respect for rules or laws, it doesn't make sense that he didn't think to go out in disguise, or using moody's invisibility cloak, or under a disillusionment spell, or polyjuice, or something.
More and more it seems the answer to these 'doesn't make sense' questions, even the original question about how Voldy and Snape got into Slytherin, comes down to 'wizards think differently to us'.
Tuitus
Nov 4 2005, 01:44 AM
I think we read Sirius having a wand of his own during Harry’s stay at Grimmauld Place. They were cleaning the drawing room and a snuffbox bit Sirius, he used a wand to heal the crusty rash on his hand.
Yeah, that would be a good fanfic. Sirius could’ve been given a Dumbledore, who got one from his friend Mr. Ollivander. Maybe Mundungus managed to ‘borrow’ a wand through the black market. Or maybe another Order member gave him a wand, like Remus.
I agree Sirius lacks respect for rules and laws and it would’ve made sense for him to use magical concealment techniques if he was determined enough to leave. The only explanation for him staying is because he respected Dumbledore enough to follow his advice. Before book 5 Dumbledore trusted the trio’s claim he was innocent and instructed Hermione to rescue him. Afterwards, Dumbledore kept in touch with Sirius and suggested the cave outside of Hogsmeade.
“Wizards think differently from us.” They do to some degree, but is that a bad thing?
bajab
Nov 4 2005, 06:23 AM
Not a bad thing at all, just a reason for many of the things that don't make sense.
Slytherin house doesn't like anybody but full bloods, then lets in half bloods.
Wizards walk around hungry and with tatered clothes when they could use magic for most of their needs.
Evil bad guys use spells other than their most powerful unblockable killing curse when fighting.
The cleverest wizards use tricks and traps to hide something ,then leave clues as to how to solve the puzzles or ways around the trap.
All fine examples of things that don't really make sense, to a muggle
Bumblebee
Nov 4 2005, 10:01 AM
I have a theory why Death Eaters (DE) are not using their most powerful Unforgivable Curses (UC) all the time: it could be that the UC must be an act of absolute malice to be effective. One must have the will to rape another man's soul with the Imperius curse, to torture, to kill. These curses would not work so well in self-defense. Self-preservation is not an evil thing, it might get in the way of properly casting the UC. Other things might interfere with pure malice too: the fact that it is a battle and there is no time for evil pleasures, the fact that a trained wizard would automatically think of simple other spells that can deal with the situation, the fact that maybe the DE are not evil enough to value the pleasure of the UCs above all else.
bajab
Nov 4 2005, 11:34 AM
Interesting theory.
It seemed to me that they were actually throwing around a few AKs in the fights, just not all the time. At least one tried it during the MOM fight, and Gibbon was killed by one in the astronomy tower.
In all the fights with the DE they were the ones doing the attacking, so is it really self presevation or self defense?
Bumblebee
Nov 4 2005, 12:09 PM
| QUOTE (bajab) |
| In all the fights with the DE they were the ones doing the attacking, so is it really self presevation or self defense? |
Both, I think. Fear of getting harmed would be a major issue, since few DE's are noted for their bravery.
Yes, they did use the AK in their attacks; fortunately not very effectively.
bajab
Nov 5 2005, 05:32 AM
Effective enough to kill Gibbon.
In book six, the Weasley twins have created Shield Hats to protect against minor to moderate hexes and jinxes. You would have thought Harry and co, and even the death eaters might have stocked up on a few of them. - Just another thing that doesn't really make sense.
luckyfish
Nov 5 2005, 06:28 AM

Hi I would just like to add my point of view...
I think the DE do want to cast UC's but they might think that it could int he way of their concentration and therefore earn them a spot in Azkaban. Who knows, thats what I think and I have to agree with bumblebee. The DE might not have the will and malice that Voldemort has and therefore might not be able to perform one. But on the otherhand, regarding the issue of Gibbon was it not(I'm not sure) Fenrir Greyback who sent the AK? Remember what Lupin said? That greyback is so crazed that he goes after people when he hasn't transformed? All I know is that he could have done it because he is emotionless and evil...
Thats what I think and hopefully you will please share comments!!!