I think it is impossible that Hermione and Harry are siblings and this is why:

- If Hermione was really named Hermione Potter, Harry would have noticed it by now. I mean, he has the Marauder Map for 3 years or something and it seems impossible that he would overlook that fact for 3 years.

- I can't check the books because i'm at work now, but if Hermione is just a few months older than Harry it's impossible that he is her brother because of the time it takes to make another baby. A woman is pregnant for nine months so she must be at least 10 months older than Harry. But as i said before I can not check this.

- Since Hermione is older, she would have also been in the house with Harry, Lily and James when Voldemort arrived. Why would she be with muggle parents at that time? It doesn't make sense to me.

- And my final argument is that there is no reason why she would hide that she is his brother or that someone would hide it from them.

I have not read the whole story so excuse me if I miss something, but if you really think about it, it is very unlikely that Hermione and Harry are brother and sister.

What I'm about to say is not to detract from any poster's thoughts or feelings, but to praise JK Rowling's magnificent mind:

Hermione and Harry are not siblings. If they are, Lily would have gotten pregnant with Harry almost immediately after giving birth to Hermione. Not only that, but JK Rowling would not be so uncreative as to make them brother and sister. If it does turn out they are siblings, I'm throwing all HP books and movies in the trash.

I agree! But, I won't throw out my books, I would donate them to a library.

I don't believe that Hermione and Harry are sibs because of the reasons that have been mentioned already. George Lucas and Steven Speilberg made it work quite well for their Star Wars novels and movies, but to replicate this would be like plagarism. Besides, I suppose, it would be more than likely a literary cardinal sin!!

Naw! I just don't see JKR making Harry and Hermione brother and sister.

Not only that, Dumbledore's Widow, but the entire they-had-a-sibling-and-didn't-know-it plot has been done to death. Everything from Comedy of Errors, to the Parent Trap, to A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Forum, to Star Wars has had secret siblings. We've had enough of that, don't you think?

i have an addition to the sibling theory. a little far fetched but hey. why not. (and i am not taking credit for this, for i am not entirely sure i am the first one to say it.) In OOTP, the sorting hats song includes the words "Raven claw we'll teach those whos intelligence is surest" According to this, this should be hermione's true house placement. i mean face it, she has been dubbed the brightest witch of her age. but, she was placed in Gryffindor instead, ALONG WITH HARRY! And as we see with the Weasly's, a family is most likely to place into the same house, even despite the many, distinct differnces we can see between the weasly members.!! so what i getting at is harry and hermione are both in gryffindor because they are family, even though they are very distinctly different!!!!. (obviously my point.) so yeah just a thought.



please feedback...(granted i am the first person to notice this. if i am then whoop-dee-doo! im important....... if not, owell. ))

Although the theory has its merits, it has been shown that family is not always in the same house. The Patil's are twins but they are in two different houses. Sirius is from a long line of Slytherin's but he was placed in Gryffindor. Given that, we can't judge house placement as possible clues to family members. Sorry!

Although Hermione did say that the Hat seriously considered putting her in Ravenclaw, but I guess it saw her courage and bravery as more dominant than cleverness (at least eventually ).

true. that completely slipped my mind about the other girls.. o well.

i would really love it if this was true, but i am thinking that J.K.Rowling wouldn't do that because it would so drastically change the story, but then again maybe she will because it would fit....but i just don't think she will

That was loads to read and at first i would have thought that it was totally ridiculous that Harry and Hermione could be brother and sister but after reading everything i have to say that it does make sense with some of the things that happen in the books.

With all of the evidence that was given i am inclined to think that this could actually happen, and knowing JKR it could and would be a really interesting twist to the end of the series. i think that if this were to happen it would be really good although ron might feel a bit left out and forgotten.

i would never have thought anything of all of the little things put into the books and used as 'evidence' unless i had read this. they have to be important in some way otherwise there is no need for them in the books and we all know that things dont go into HP unless for a reason.

Yeah anyway very good theory

"Also, when Harry looked into the Mirror of Erised and saw his entire family, I'm sure it would have shown him Hermione as well (if she was his sister) because she would have been part of "his whole family". No, I don't think they are related. But that's just my opinion." -LITTLERED7771..
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yeah thats great and all but u no that as dumbledore states, the mirror shows neither knowledge nor truth

That's true, and I completely agree. I have used that same arguement before in other threads about other issues. However, in this case, the mirror did show Harry his family. How it knew who his family was is questionable. Maybe the mirror was able to look back into Harry's one year old memories (that Harry wouldn't remember himself due to being a baby) and see his family through his own experiences or through pictures he may have seen back then. Still, it did show him his family. We know it had to be correct because it was accurate in the faces of his parents. If Hermione was a secret to him, true, the mirror then wouldn't have shown her I guess. But still, it just doesn't seem plausible to me.

wow that was a lot to read. good summary herminia! and good theories Merlin455, dbtpoet, and a handful of others!!!

i can see this happening and i am for it i think it would be a good twist and it would be nice for harry to have someone!

and i dont think it is to much like star wars, it is clever (like Dumbledor)

good job to everyone who put that together it is well thought out and i am a believer!!!!!!

ALOT of points are strong arguements, mabe jk rowling toke outt he idea because people would critce with the whole star wars and cheese thing

but wouldnt it be great if she allowed it back in to add twist to the last 2 films (DH is in two parts) shocker
love it

hey guys if you go to the general books section of forums theres a discussion on the 'sibling theory'
its about hermione actually being harrys sister... most of the points actually makes sense
and it says that rowling was linking mr.granger to the potter's destroyed house so she might have been on track to making them siblings...
anyway in the books, as the theory states there are loads of little clues about them being siblings and quite a few of these clues have appeared in the movies as part of the general plot- mirror of erised, things hermione says etc

soooo if the film makers were to pop rowlings idea into the films and reveal the secret siblings what do you think???

i think the idea would work better novel wise than on screen as it might seem cheesey but it puts a twist to plot and the movies are only BASED on the books they arent exact replicates...

It's a good idea but I don't think they would.

It would be straying way too far from the books and if it were going to happen, then I expect JK would've included it the books.

But I can see your point about them being siblings... Hermione and Harry do seem quite similar

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rach2603, could you provide a link to the thread with the theory in the book forums? I've never heard of it and I don't have time to search for it. It would be much appreciated - I would like to read it.

From what you have said about it, as someone who has never heard of the theory or considered it and if it were included in the movie, my reaction would be: what?!?! Personally, it would seem to "fan fiction-y" to put in the movies, although, it is deffinitely a creative idea and a movie plot worthy twist - but not for this series.

This was a theory created before Deathly Hallows I'm assuming. Since we have the final book and know this didn't happen, it didn't pan out. But it would make a wonderful AU fan fiction. I'd read it. Had I found this theory before the book series was finished, I would have given it some thought, but not believed it. Especially since some of the evidence given wasn't in a Harry and Hermione context, especially the one mentioning Mrs. Weasly saying "That's the whole family!" in regards to being Prefects. That was about her children, not a possible Harry and Hermione relation. But I read other people noticed that too.

As for the bit saying That seemed harsh and untrue. I don't think anything could rival Snape's hatred of Harry. I think Hermione was an irritation and there was an obvious dislike. But he didn't hate her more than Harry.

You have a point. But I just don't think there is any possible way that Harry and Hermione could be sibilings. Hermione does act sisterly to Harry. But my theory of that is because she likes him, (yes, i know she marries ron) but knows it would never work out, and she wouldn't have a chance with him against all the other girls who have crushes on Harry. Only JKR knows the answer to this question. But I think it is no, maybe someday we'll find out.

I never saw Harry and Hermione as brother and sister, not in the books, and certainly not in the movies. What I saw between them was a deeply rooted bond, but it definitely wasn't one of siblings. In fact, one can say they were bonded for life.

I doubt that Rowling planned to pull a Luke and Leia (from Star Wars) on her readers!

Luke and Leia were brother and sister! There's how much attention I pay to Star Wars
I only mentioned star wars in my later posts as loads of other people used in an against arguement.. but I wasnt quite sure whta they wree on bout its not my cup of tea I never paid attention to it

ah saves me from having to find out by watching lol
I did know the Vader guy in black was Luke's father though go me

*Whoa how bad was my spelling?*

I applaude this interesting thread too. It's pretty brilliant; I haven't read the essay from Merlin455, but you did an excellent job at summing and explaining it all for us, Herminia.
That have never occurred to me; I always thought their relationship was sibling like, but not that way, actually.
Those hints have stroken me; how can it be so obvious? I thought as I read them. It all was there; every act, every word, every unsaid thing.
But, as Louise sais, it's not plausible. Maybe JK's idea was that in the begining, and so she decided to use all the hints she would have scatter if she used that plot, just to drive us confused.

I want to talk about random things that pop in my head at this late, so fogive me.

First, a comment about this:


Come on. Hermione is not stupid at all. If she liked Harry, she would know how to charm him. But she didn't. She helped Ginny, helped him with Cho; it's not that the whole lot of witches was after Harry. She wouldn't have a chance sounds, too mean, excuse me.

Then, back to the topic; assuming she was the hidden sister and her birthday was indeed not hidden, she couldn't be in danger since the prophecy was made after her birth. But that would explain the fact Jk made her the older, and she couldn't attend to Hogwarts before (to be with Harry)

I'm kind of confused and would want to say lot of things more, but I'll be wandering and saying over and over again that everything fits and ... who says in the future JK won't reveal that it was a fact?

I think many of you have good points...

But if Hermione was Harry's sister wouldn't Lily have mentioned her in her letter to Sirius? Or was Hermione adopted to a muggle family before anyone knew about it?

Anyway, I see that Hermione acts sisterly towards Harry, but that could just mean that she cares about him like a friends. She does not have to be his sister to be nice towards him!

And by the way Dess, I completely agree with you.. If Hermione wanted Harry she definatly would have found a way to charm him!

Ok, despite I say that I don't agree with the theory, I can't help but find more coincidences:

Crookshanks: when I read Lily's letter, when she says they got a cat, I though of him at once. *Crookshanks wasn't a kitten when Hermione bought him, what's his story? Where did he come from?
*He was a bad-tempered beast, why??
*He became very fond of Sirius, in mysterious communication ways, to help him catching Peter
*Hermione wasn't planning on buy a cat, what made her change her mind?
*Who named him Crookshanks?

Could it be that the Potter's cat, who could have been a kitten then (besides kneazles-cats have a long lifetime, I bet), Crookshanks, bough later by Hermione?

Ouch, I had another point but I forgot it

Thanks for supporting me, Norberta!

Isn't that a bit too much of a coincidence, or did Hermione buy the cat because it reminded her real mother(Lily has red hair - crookshanks has red hair). And do we know how old crookshanks is? becuase if it adds up it might be that crookshanks lived with the Potters!

This theory is definetly interesting and has a lot of good points that make you go "hmmm". But if these two were related, don't you think that this is something big enough that JKR would have put it in the books?? Its such a key plot, I wouldn't know why she wouldn't want to share it with us in its whole form. I agree, I think that maybe this was something that JKR was spinning in the begginning but decided not to go with it.

Harry and Hermione have always had a "brother/sister" type of bond. Thats how they've always seen each other. People can have this type of relationship. They do exist! Just because they act that way doesn't mean that people have to assume that they actually are brother and sister.

If Hermione wanted Harry, I think she could have gotten him. Whats not to like about her?? She's sweet and nice and pretty!! I'm not saying it couldn't happen. I'm sure Harry looked at Ginny this way too. It was like "bam!", all of a sudden Harry saw Ginny in a different light. Who's not to say, this very well could have happend between Harry and Hermione?

The connection between Crookshanks and the Potters and Hermione is EERIE! I always wondered what made her choose the cat instead of the owl. Of course I'd choose a cat because I'm a cat person, but she went in that store determined on getting an owl? Does it say why she chose the cat? Was it because it reminded her of her mother??? or does the book never really say and it was a mystery??

It could be Harry/Hermione, but in the end Ron and Hermione are ment to be

You know have really started to think that Hermione chose Crookshanks because maybe crookshanks wanted to be with his original family. I mean why didn't anybody want crookshanks before Hermione did? Possibly because crookshanks was waiting for his real family(oh, this is getting sentimental)...

I don't understand why some people are questioning why Hermione chose Crookshanks instead of an owl. Why did Neville have a frog? Why did Ginny have that furry thing (forget what its called)? I'd say it's because that's what they all chose to have. Not such a mystery after all.

IMO, Harry and Hermione have shared a strong bond, but not necessarily one between siblings. They are more like soul mates. I was sure that Rowling was going to bring these two together romantically, I had no idea she actually wanted R/Hr and H/G. At least, I didn't get that impression from reading the books. I never looked upon Ron and Hermione's interactions as anything but that of two squabbling friends. As for Ginny, she was always in the background. (should have stayed there too) I never once thought that Rowling was going to make her into Harry's significant other. She was just there. Like Neville and Luna were. To me, Ginny's character was never that special. In fact, I think that Ginny was more of a sister to Harry than Hermione could ever be. Up until book 6, Harry thought of Ginny as just as Ron's little sister.

It's clear to many readers that the Weasleys were a surrogate family to Harry, and therefore, Ginny was Harry's surrogate sister.

Well, I think some people wondered why Hermione chose a cat because she was in the mindset of going into that store to get a owl and instead came out with a cat? There wasnt much of an explanation except for that the cat reminded her of her mother I think. So in some ways, its a mystery to some. But you have a point, not every one has a rhyme or reason for doing what they do.

Ginny always had a thing for Harry since the beginning. To me JKR was always foreshadowing what was going to happen between these two personally. And the way Ron and Hermione were with each other its not a shock they were placed together as well. Opposites attract, even in fictional land.

Well offcourse not everyone has a reason for what they do. But Hermione was so determined to get an owl.. and then just come out of the store with a cat?? It just doesn't sound like Hermione would go into a shop thinking that she'll get an owl and then suddenly take cat instead! No, there has to be some other reason to why she did that. she may not even have been aware of it herself!!

No no nopidy nopidy no no no. It doesn't make sense. Why would Lily and James give Hermione up but keep Harry? Why would when Lily and James died would they not both go to the Dursleys? Why doesn't Hermione look nothing like James and Lily? How could James and Lily do that? I don't believe a word of it. Hermione and Harry are not Brother and Sister. End of convosation. Period. Goodbye. The end. Ta.

P.S. I will accept mother's sister-in-law's grandmother's divorced husband's second cousin seven times removed daughter though. if we were to come to a compromise.

I guess it's possible that they are brother and sister. Personally, I didn't think that they could be, but now it seems obvious. JKR didn't say it anywhere, maybe it is just a theory, but it's a well-proven one!
I thought that Hermione just got Crookshanks because no one wanted him

Earlier this winter, Rowling said that "it could have gone H/Hr" so, this makes me think that she never intended for Harry and Hermione to be siblings. It's just that she had already made up her mind it was going to be Ron/Hermione and Harry/Ginny, i.e. OBWF (one big Weasley family).

I could be wrong, but I don't recall Rowling ever discussing a sibling possiblility in interviews. Could it be that it's something that someone made up because they hoped that H/Hr were long lost siblings? Perhaps they didn't like the idea of H/Hr happening because it may have interfered with their ships. Or, it could all just have started as a rumor and it just snowballed.

I personally never thought that Harry and Hermione were brother and sister. That would be too similar to Star Wars, where Leia and Luke were seperated at birth to keep them safe. Besides, I don't think that Rowling would have gone that route anyway.