I just simply don't understand the Harry/Hermione ship? Why can't people accept that they are close, very close friends.

I mean, Ron/Hermione it may be a sexual attraction, but I don't think this is a main part of their attraction. Hermione may just plainly LOVE Ron, and vice versa. But thats .

So back to the VENOM! Harry/hermione aren't made for eachother. I think you can love someone as a friend and nothing more. It's like, yeah someone mentioned it, in an earlier post- Hermione is like a sisterly figure to Harry. She's the one who realises his intense feelings-i.e. his love for Ginny. Though I don't support that ship at all, I hate that ship.

Harry/Hermione

Rivendell, these two sentences of yours summed up things very nicely. Hermione doesn't have intention to pursue romantic relationship with Harry and more than that, she took it as an obligation to help Ginny getting Harry. That should be the big nails in the coffin for H/Hr!
Even if Ron and Ginny die (I hope not!), Harry and Hermione won't be able to be a pair. The painful memories of their friends will haunt the relationship forever. They won't even feel anything romantic between them, as they never had before.

I mean, personally, I believe that if Hermione ever wanted to persue Harry, she would have told Ginny from the beginning that her pursuing Harry was pointless. Hermione did tell Ginny to chill out about him, but only so that Harry could see the real Ginny. That doesn't sound like sabotage to me...

The two girls can get along well because they pursue different boys. Ginny is not stupid. If she detected any vibes between Hermione and Harry, she wouldn't want Hermione as a friend.
Now we know if Ron died, Hermione wouldn't be able to live normally again. She was so in shock when Ron almost died in book 6. I don't think if Ron died, Hermione can dedicate herself fully to another man. Ron will always haunt her future and I don't think Hermione would want to let it go easily. On the other hand, if Ginny died, Harry would be in a deeper mourn than when Dumbledore died. He wouldn't be able to forgive himself and this would prevent any future relationship with other girl(s) to be 100%. So even with the death of Ron and Ginny, Harry and Hermione relationship will never materialize.

I agree and I disagree. Harry would mourn. A lot. But to me, it seems like he handles Dumbledore's death pretty well. He didn't go nearly as crazy when Sirius died. If I had to compare Harry's reaction to Ginny's death to someone else's, I would compare it to Sirius's. Harry was a lot more hurt by that. And he already considers all of the Weasleys his family so I don't think that he would be able to lose more "family" members.

I strongly believe that Harry would deeply mourn Ginny. Who wouldn't mourn someone they have known for seven years? A guy that went to my school recently passed because he was hit by a car and it affected people who didn't even regularly hang out with him...me for example. So it doesn't matter if Harry gets with Ginny or not in the final book or if they are each other's "love of their lives" Harry will still mourn because he has a soul.

I agree with you muggleview in the fact that Harry and Hermione could not end up as a couple if both Ron and Hermione were to die. Mainly because neither of them have feelings for each other. I see it as a betrayal for Hermione to go for Ron's best friend if he were to die when she likes Ron. It is quite obvious she does like Ron, so she would deeply grieve as well if he were to pass. She went into complete shock when he almost died in HBP. So no matter how heterosexual Harry is and no matter how good their relationship is, it will always be platonic.

You know that one little fact actually can be a big venom for Harry/Hermione: Knitting.
Hermione learned to knit at the Burrow. Obviously nobody can ignore that the Weasleys always got freshly knitted sweaters every Christmas. Hermione apparently wants to continue the tradition. She is preparing herself to be a Weasley!
Harry hardly saw Hermione knitting, but she did make a lot of small clothing for the House elves. Most likely she did it more often in the presence of Ron than of Harry. Because of his upbringing, Ron wouldn't mind to see Hermione knitting. Reminding him a bit to home. Harry notices that Ron and Hermione often occupied the best place in the common room near the fireplace to do homework or maybe knitting.
Only in one occassion, Hermione asked Harry if he would like to join her "tomorrow". Harry didn't want to join. No chemistry here. Not compatible. Hermione didn't ask Harry to join her immediately. Wonder why? Perhaps because Ron was not present at the time (Ron was trying his Quidditch uniform). Hermione didn't want to send a wrong signal to Harry. If Harry said yes, that would also mean Ron would be present and three of them could knit together. Harry said no, and another hint is given: Harry/Hermione is not meant to be.

I do not think that Harry and Hermione should get together as a couple!

For me it would just be too weird!

I would imagine the whole Hogwarts will see it that way, too.
They have known that Ron and Hermione are supposed to be a couple.
They have heard from Harry, loud and clear, that Hermione is not his girlfriend. Also, they never see anything remotely connected them both.
Draco Malfoy is the best barometer. He would do anything to make Harry look bad. A scandal will be good. But he couldn't even put Harry and Hermione together. He terrorized Ginny to annoy Harry, and insulted Hermione to annoy Ron. Harry/Hermione together will be, as you say "weird"

Yahhh well there's just so many things I could point out about why Harry and Hermione wouldn't work, but I'm too lazy for that and I'm sure that they're all on here 10 times already. So I'll just make one teensy point. This isn't really...erm...factual, it's just something I've noticed.

So I'm a HUGE Weasley fan. Sure I love Harry and Hermione and everyone else, but I have a special love for Ron and Ginny.

Now, let's say that Harry and Hermione did get together (barf). Who would be there for Ron and Ginny? Now, we can all go into the Luna/Ron or Draco/Ginny, but let's face it, there's about as much evidence of those relationships as there is Pansy Parkinson/Vernon Dursley. And we can also go into the "well Ron might die!" theory, but that still doesn't justify Harry/Hermione, because Harry would obviously pick Ginny over Hermione, as he has already proved in HBP...haha. So my point is that there won't be any Harry/Hermione, because it would make everything complicating....this sounded alot better in my head than it does now....oh well.

And one more thing that I just couldn't help myself from pointing out, this one cemented the fact that there's no Harry/Hermione in the works for me.
Ron kisses Lavendar, and Hermione throws a right little hissy fit. No one can deny that, or twist in any way, I don't think.
Harry kisses Ginny, and Hermione smiles. Not only does she smile, but she beams.

A few quotes from HBP for you....(Right after Harry and Ginny kiss) "Harry looked over the top of Ginny's head.........Hermione was beaming.." Pg 499 Canadian Hardcover Edition.

"You shouldn't leave Lavendar waiting outside," she (Hermione) said quietly. "She'll wonder where you've gone." (Hermione proceeds to attack Ron with birds) 'Hermione wrenched the door open and dissappeared through it. Harry thought he heard a sob before it slammed.'

....Yah, I'd say there's some difference there.

Oh yes. It's pretty much clear. Hermione proudly took credit for Harry/Ginny relationship. She was very comfortable with the two together, because that means Ron has more time for her than with Harry. It was never a hint for Harry Hermione in HBP. They even started to feel like in-laws with Harry helping Ron to make peace with Hermione, and Hermione helping Ginny and Harry to be together.

I think that if they (H/hr) did go out, that it would he weird. I also agree with puple_peppermint_25 what will happen to Ron and Ginny? They can't go out because they're siblings.They can't be excluded, becasue they are to involved itto the novel already.

My sister and I talked a bit about what would happen if Ron and Ginny die to Harry and Hermione. First of all, I think that the lose would be awful, and they might want to pull a Romeo or Juliet, but they wouldn't. Because Ron and Ginny wouldn't want Harry and Hermione to live their lives mourning them, they would want them to live. Do I think Harry and Hermione would get together then? I can see a possiable yes, but I really think no. Because they love eachother true, but they would both feel like they got stuck with their second chocie or something. And no one one should build a family with that or even a regular relationship.
And Muggy, I disargee with want you said before that Hermione's good bye to Harry, she liked Harry for Harry, not for being just a great wizard, she had never had a friend before Ron and Harry.
Harry and Hermione's relationship is really like no other because their relationship is paltonic, yet in their way they're soulmates. I like Harry and Hermione they way they are, so do they. If it isn't broke, don't fix it.

they might be good friends but no hermione and harry could never be i mean honestly there has never been anything romantic between them. But if Jk decides to pair them up i wouldn't really mind but still harry... hermione... no way. if something ever happened to ron hermione would be devastated i would be devastated. but she wouldn't just say oh ron died i guess i have to be with harry. she doesn't have to be with anyone... she's independent. well any ways i don't think harry and hermione should be together.

Harry and Hermione couldnt be with each other because they are not attracted towards each other. Harry didnt care that Hermione when out with Victor Krum, Harry didnt care when Hermione went to Slughorns party with Cormac McLaggen, whereas he wasnt happy of the idea of Ginny dating Dean or Michael Corner.In HBP Harry feels the need to impress Ginny by taking Luna to Slughorns party, and if he and Hermione would have felt anything other than friendship for each other they could haev easily gone togheter.
Harry is attracted to Ginny, in HBP you can also see how the scent he percieves of amortentia smells like a flowery scent he thought he smelled at the Burrow, later you find out that flowery smell was Ginny´s. If he was really atrackted to Hermione his amortentia would have smelled other wise, like Hermione and not Ginny.

Harry and Hermione are really close because Hermione understands him and has believed him when no one else has like in GoF when his name came out of the goblet. This obviously creates a strong bond between the two, but not a romatical one, a brotherly one.

And I completely agree with muggleview, Ginny is not stupid. If Hermione was really interested in Harry she and Ginny woulnt be friends. And Hermione and Ginny trust each other and have a deeper relationship than we know. Ginny told Harry that Hermione told her to loosen up a bit around him, this means the obviously have long talks concearning this subjects, and if Hermione really liked Harry this couldnt happen. Honestly do you see Ginny and Hermione sharing advice on how to pick up Harry? Thats riddiculous.

I don't think that Harry took Luna to impress Ginny. I think he took Luna because she's a friend he trusts not to persue him romanticly well his head was filled with Ginny. I mean if he took any of those giggling girls who were following him like sad puppy dogs, he would be giving them false hope, and have to pretend that he's interested in them. Anyone else notice how was made to be like the new Cedric? Werid, sad, and a little morbid.
And I thought of that before, why didn't Harry and Hermione just go together. It would of been easy, Harry could of be honest and said he didn't want to go with any of those other girls (omitting the Ginny reason and say the half truth), and ask if they could go and bare the evening together and end up having an ok time because they could just have fun together.
But of course Ron is one brings the fun.

I don't think that Harry took Luna to the party to impress Ginny either. I agree with Amyrat151, he trusts her as a friend. I personally don't think Harry would use Luna.

Thanks imtherealluna*, Harry isn't a jerk and won't use Luna. But as I was saying before, why didn't they go together? Anyway I cracked open HBP the other day and how Hermione acts to Harry's relationship with Cho and Ron's relationship to Lavender are two very differnt things. Hermione tired to help Harry with Cho, verse crying because of Lavender's groping of Ron.

Harry took Luna because he knew that he could trust her as a friend to not go all crazy about him. Romilda Vane was enough and he didn't need Luna breathing down his back. Luna didn't think for one moment about going with Harry as more than friends and that's what Harry really appreciates about her. He trusted Luna enough to know that he could comfortably go somewhere with her knowing she wouldn't make any romantic advances.

Couldn't help to quip: Harry took Luna for 3 reasons:
- Luna was a close friend of Ginny, and didn't have romantic interest to Harry. So she's safe
- Luna was a close friend of Ginny, she might say something about Ginny.
- Luna was a close friend of Ginny, she might say something to Ginny about him.

One thing is certain: Harry never thought of taking Hermione, and neither did Hermione think to take Harry. Hermione was preoccupied with her revenge on Ron. It's very anti H/Hr.

harry and hermione will never ever happen! it's just so obvious that ron and hermione will end up together, and it would be a really cruddy thing to do as a friend , for harry to say that he suddenly likes hermione. that coud potentionallly demolish their friend ship!
i was looking at the ron and hermione venom thread, (i know shameful ) and they go on and on about how ron is immature and selfish he is and how perfect hermione is.
but hermione is human too, and returned alot of rons jealousy when he dated lavender, i mean hermione isn't some image of perfection.it's not that i don't like harry, he's a great charactor, i mean he's the main charactor! i just don't see anyway for harry and hermione to happen. and besides harry's with ginny, well sorta, i mean he broke up with her to protect her. also on that forum they kept on saying how shallow and selfish ginny is. i thing ginny is cool and asertive and there's nothing wrong with that i'm not bashing the people on that forum, i respect their opinions, i'm just glad theres a place i can let out my frustraitions.

Yeah some have painted Hermione as this prefect godess sent from heaven to answer all of Harry's prays. Which, as has been displayed in HBP, is not quite true .
Anyway, I don't think that Harry took Luna because of Ginny, Luna is Harry's friend too.

You are quite right, Ellen. Luna is Harry's friend. I just want to present another alternative.
I support Amyrat and Megan's assessment that Hermione is not a perfect girl.
Some readers are apparently still blinded by Jo Rowling's sweet description of Hermione, forgetting that Hermione was still a well-known know-it-all of Hogwarts. Apart from Harry, Ron, Neville and Viktor, other boys didn't feel comfortable to be near her. Sometimes as readers we imagine that the heroine should be a perfect beauty and have many suitors. In Jo's realm, Hermione was not beloved and she was not a real beauty. Same as Ron, Harry didn't think Hermione was a 'girl' in GoF. Neville asked her out because he didn't have the courage to ask other girls. Besides, her temperament is not the calm one (only Ron labelled her as "sweet-tempered"). Harry couldn't stand her nagging, let alone dreaming of a long-lasting life with her. Harry knew he had to bear Hermione, because Hermione would always be near to Ron and he needs her help. He would enjoy his last golden days with "Ron and Hermione" (as a couple), but not with Hermione alone.

Yeah, till Hermione came to Hogwarts, she had no friends, just like Harry. I see quiet clearly a little bushy haired in her room with lots of books, being confused when strange things happen around her. Then she became friends with Harry and Ron. I beileve she was drawn to them both, Harry because she had read about him and found him intresting, and Ron because he challenged her. I think it is also possiable that Hermione saw some of Harry's lonleness in herself and how happy Ron made him, and wanted to be that happy herself. Of course, I could just be making crap up.
I comment on Hermione's beauty, I've always sceen her as bit of a hidden beauty. As in, she is quite lovely, and has absoulty no idea about it, which is one of the things that makes her so endearing, and dear to Ron. No one but Victor and Comarc (other than Ron) have shown true romantic interest. The suitors are just lineing up aren't they .
I will maintain, as always, that Harry and Hermione have a great friendship, and that they love eachother very much, but Harry doesn't hold Hermione in any higher regard than Ron.

OK PEOPLE GET THIS THROUGH YOUR HEAD- HARRY AND HERMIONIE WILL NEVER GET TOGETHER!! If they were Rowling would have made it obvious like he did with Ron and Hermionie and Ginny and Harry. They never made it obvious in the books. However in the movies they make it sound as if Hermionie likes Harry because in the fourth one she's always like "Im scared for you" and then hugs him before the first task. THIS IS TOTALLY INACCURATE!! There will never be any sparks between them!!!

Harry_rox_100, you may like this article, explaining how the movies have been portraying correctly the friendship between Harry and Hermione, but romantic indications for Hermione with Ron.

http://www.mugglenet.com/editorials/madamp...-doctor01.shtml



Ellen, I see the same thing as you. Hermione longed to have a true friend. She found it in Ron. Harry and Hermione shared similar background: raised in Muggleworld, having enough financial backing, but they were lonely, until they met Ron. Ron lacked the wealth, but he is full of wit. Ron made them laugh. Without Ron, Harry felt lonely. Without Ron, Hermione felt lonely. Even when Harry and Hermione were alone, each always thought of Ron. That's why Harry and Hermione could never been together as a couple, they can only be a good friends forever.

I think that Hermione is scared for Harry, just because she doesn't want Harry to die, doesn't mean she wants to bear his childern. And she has hugged Harry quite a lot, but that just means she's comfterble with him. ::shurg::
And I'm reading your essay now, Muggy. And it's nice to have people agree with me, so I don't feel crazy.

It feels good, doesn't it? People who go to see movies more than books have different ways of perceiving things, but the moviemakers know how to convey the same messages. Harry and Hermione's relationship was never meant to be other than a close friendship. For teenagers, it's so easy to hang out with the people you treat as close friends, but so awkward to be near the one you have a feeling for. That's very clear in the movie.

Yes, it's great to not be crazy, but even greater sometimes to crazy! LOL . But it's true, I loved the romance stuff in GoF(movie) because it's exactally how people act when they get crushes on people in high school, and sometimes past that. My friend Joe is getting very confused with girls and we're both out of high school now.
I don't think I'll ever quite get what some people saw.

And in the interview with Richard and Judy, Jo Rowling took pride that she taught teenagers before. I think her portrayal is very accurate, at least on the British youths. I am glad that she clearly differs male-female platonic relationship to the romantic one. Not every male-female relationship should turn into a romantic one. Especially if both parties understand their limits.
As a part of the venom, I would say that the interest to family background IS a great clue.
Hermione was not interested to know Harry's background. Harry only shared with Ron about his family. Harry was not interested to know more about Hermoine's family. So, both Harry and Hermione have set their boundaries only in the schoolmate level, not too much into the private life. Both of them focus their interest to the family background of other people, which happen to be the same one, the Weasleys.

When did Harry tell Ron about his family? I forgert when that happened. But anyway, it's true Hermione and Harry have never talked about their families. We know so little about Hermione's. They just don't share a lot they other doesn't share with Ron.

Amyrat and Muggy! interesting discussion is being held in here!

Yes you're right, the family is very important. Harry has spoken about his family to Ron... I for now, remember the Mirror of Erised and that Harry told Ron about it. About seeing his family in there.

We know too little about Hermy's family. That's because we see what Harry sees, we know what Harry knows... and he knows close to nothing about her background.

On the other hand, we never see the private talks between Ron and Hermione. Maybe they do know a lot more about each other's family.

Oh boy... I guess I gotta go now. I just wanted to say that and one more thing:
Harry_rox_100 Hi! I know I am not a mod or a prefect, but I just wanted to ask you not to type with all caps... I don't know if that is a real problem, but these Venom threads are kind of warned and if we do a little something out of the rules... bye-bye, Venom threads...

Also, I thought it sounded a bit like you were 'yelling' at the H/Hr and we're not allowed to bash the shippers, only the ship itself.

I hope I am not a big pain in the... you know... I'm only trying to keep this thread open so we can keep on bashing H/Hr ship.

I'm off...

We know that their parents know each other very well to allow Hermione staying with the Weasleys so long. We also know that Harry has never talked to Hermione's parents at all.
The decision for the parents is thus related to Ron. They trusted him as Hermione's friend, so they allow Hermione to stay with his family.
The main venom is Harry never showed any interest to make acquaintance with Hermione's parents, while they were nearby. We were not shown how Ron interacted with them, because it was always Harry who left first. Most of the time Ron and Hermione were left behind at the station with their respective parents when Jo Rowling wrote THE END on the books.

Personally, I think that Hermione's parents are basing Hermione being allowed to stay with the Weasleys entirely because of Ron. I mean, they don't know Harry personally, and all they hear are the tales of all the peril he puts himself in. Maybe they wouldn't want Hermione doing that stuff frequently. Or maybe I've had one too many butterbeer. But either way it goes, Hermione seems to have asked to stay with the Weasleys, not "With Harry at Ron's house."

i love all this analyzing stuff i think that i have to disagree though, about how harry and hermione don't share a personnel relationship. i think harry and hermione really do have a deep connection(not romantic of course) and harry values her friendship just as much as rons. i know in the fourth book that jk kind of hinted that harry really longed for rons friend ship when they had the falling out, like saying that things just were'nt the same as they were with ron, but of course they weren't! hermione was a girl! and some times there are things that you can't exactly discuss with the opposit gender from yourself . i'm not saying boys and girls can't be close friends, some of my best friends are boys! it's just not quite the same thing. ron and hermione are the perfect balance for harry. one of them is slightly to up tight (about school and stuff like that) and the other one is a little too laid back. and the cool part about that is, they also kind of balance each other out. ron made hermione relax (harry had part in that too, but it was mostly ron) and hermione made ron become slightly more...um..responsible *cough cough*. (i'm gonna side track a little).
the thing that is so brilliant about the trio is that , they kind of make one person. hermione's the uptight(again academically speaking) responsible high matinence type, rons relaxed (about school work and actually doing things, procrastination,and *coughs and oddly sounds like jealously issues*) and harry's like the median. he is slightly relaxed about schoolwork, but is still better at getting things done than ron is. so even though hermione loves harry like a brother, harry's not her other half, ron is .
*sighs* so romantic

I agree megan elise smith, some of the people here don't quite see the books that way...nothing wrong with that by the way, but I love Harry and Hermione's friendship, and their relationship to me has made sense to me as this beautiful connection, and if it's not broke, don't fix it. But they all need eachother, the three of them. They wouldn't be the trio.
My sister said that if it was H/Hr that would bring imbalnce to the trio, and I agree.

That's a very good point, Just the Droobles. Hermione's parents would not have allowed their daughter to get anywhere near Harry, if they read Harry Potter books .
With Ron, it's always fun moments: Diagon Alley shopping (book 3), Quidditch World Cup (book 4), Christmas (book 5, nothing about Arthur's injury, of course!). With Harry, it's always danger.

Megan, Harry and Hermione did share personal information, but in the level of a close friend. Ron and Hermione shared a deeper personal information. There are 2 hints I can remember right now:
- Book 3: Hermione wrote to Harry about Ron's feeling to Percy being Head Boy. It means Ron wrote more details about his feeling to Hermione.
- Book 5: Hermione told Harry that Ron laughed a lot at her doing skiing. We didn't read Ron did it. It means Ron and Hermione have been talking about it more, behind Harry's back.

Through the books, we have been following Harry and Hermione's conversation without Ron. Those conversations are related to Harry's "work" or adventure, not much to personal issues.
Therefore, it can be concluded that both of them limit their relationship to the friendship level, not deeper into romantic level.

You are right, muggleview. I think that in order for Hermione to know so much about Ron, they would have had to have a couple of in-depth conversations. I don't mean like, really in-depth stuff, but they would have been writing letters and Ron had obviously confided his feelins about Percy being Head boy with Hermione instead of Harry. I fell like there is a lot of background talking and moments with Ron and Hermione. I feel like Hermione is constantly filling Harry in about Ron, therefore she knows more about Ron than Harry does. Harry and Ron are best friends, but I do think Hermione knows a few things about Ron Harry doesn't and Harry knows a few things about Ron that Hermione doesn't.

I think it was this thread that we were talking about R/Hr balancing the trio...I don't know I always get the threads mixed up. But anyway, Ron and Hermione being together would balance them a lot better thanH/Hr would. Ron's laid back attitude and humor will go with Hermione's hard-working skills and her level mind, making them a good couple. Sometimes I think both Hermione and Harry are both too strong-headed and therefore they would clash in a relationship.

Don't worry, Doobs. I tend to get sonfused with the threads as well... maybe because we spend the time in different threads that discuss similar things

Anyhoo...

My favourite anit-H/Hr statement is that they form a triangle. Harry is at the top with Ron and Hermy being his bases. If he'd lean toward either of them, they'd fall down. But if Ron and Hermione get closer, the base would be more strong and they'd be able to support Harry even better than they do now.

I think I've said that before and I didn't make it up, it was mentioned in one of the threads... or an editorial... I can't remember but I wanted to say that (again?)

Don't worry about repeating things. You said it once, when you read HP series for the 10th times, now you said it again after reading the 100th times. You may get better understanding than before and can share more depth in this thread . I completely agree with the triangle analogy and the balancing role of Ron and Hermione to Harry. That's essential in Harry's decision making. Also as he knew they become a couple, they work for the same interest, which is Harry's own good. Harry can trust them more.

How many times do we get Harry saying Hermione and Ron? Most of the time Harry call the pair: Ron and Hermione. The canon testifies that Harry is a R/Hr supporter, and, especially in book 4, he is anti H/Hr. That's a big venom!

I don't think that Ron and Hermione talk behind Harry's back, they just talk to eachother, and the triangle is a great anaology, and it also reminds me, that in a way Ron and Hermione will never quiet be just Ron and Hermione, even when they're married with kids and a pet, a part of their souls belong to Harry. But that's just me, and the way I see it.
Anyway, I think my favorite H/Hr moment from the movies is my favortie because it shows their true nature. In GoF, on that brige. Because when there's the accidental dirty joke,(which is one of my favorite Hermione lines ) they both laugh. If Harry was trully interested in Hermione, he'd look jealous, but he laughs with her. And then she tells him she's "scared for him", I love the forshadowing to OotP, shows her desire to take care of him. Like any family member to another.
It's so unromantic.

whoa, muggleview, you didn't think i was stating that harry and hermione are any more than friends did you? eeek! no no no i was saying, as has been said above, to gether the trio are a whole. but if you took away harry, ron and hermione would still have good balance(romantically)
mxnhpfreak, i really liked what you said about the kind of pyramid they form


and your right, it's really effective in describing their relationship.
but i do agree with amyrat though. i don't think that the neccasarily "talked" behind harry's back. i do think that in friendhship terms ron,harry, and hermione are all on the same level when it comes to friendship. but ron and hermione have a deeper romantic connection. if they get together(which they probably will) the base will become more solid for harry to stand on!
amyrat i also agree with you on that joke that harry and hermione shared. i loved it!
but there was no love hidden int it.

hello?*voice echoes in darkness*
*crys a little* i'm so alone, i know it's only been a day but please someone talk to me

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I came late, by I'm here megan, and please call me Ellen. And thank you for agreeing.
I have to admit, my first read through the first five books I thought...maybe. But what made me say "nay" is the fact that Harry had never shown any romantic feelings toward Hermione, even saying in GoF that he got sick of telling people that she wasn't his girlfriend. And I wanted him to get together with Cho, when I first read GoF, I felt so sad when she said she was going with Cedric. I think that since the beginning of Harry's sexual awakening the audience has been stered away from Hermione.

Yeah, for the first five books, I had still given H/Hr a chance. It had like...a 6% chance. I mean, there was not *real* definite R/Hr going on at that point, other than what we had from GoF. And not to mention Hermione was always around Harry being his mentor for Cho and saying his was tall and desirable...but how that is romantic, I dunno. I don't really see a romantic conversation as talking to a guy and telling him how to get another girl...but that's just me. And Hermione has now counselled Harry twice, with Cho and with Ginny. But she counselled Ginny more than she councelled Harry. Anyway, I'm blabbing now...

In the first 5 books, nothing is a done deal. Even after book 6 cautious readers should still expect Jo Rowling to do something radical in book 7. However, after Jo Rowling openly stated in her interview, and after rereading all the books, there is no logical reason to bet on H/Hr. The books have also closed some openings or chances to the H/Hr relationship, in particular Book 4 and 6. I like the way Jo presented her case. A boy and a girl studying and working together will not automatically lead to a romance. Only when the boy and the girl suddenly become awkward in the presence of each other, then something romantic happens between them. Harry and Hermione never have the awkward situation.

Megan, I didn't contradict you. I just try to emphasize yours with mine and see whether there's discrepancy. I agree that the trio shared great friendship. They must have exchanged a lot of information about themselves as well. However, some information is reserved for the one in life. This type of information is not exchanged between Harry and Hermione.

Ellen, Ron and Hermione did talk behind Harry's back, for instance in Book 5. Harry was so mad that he was kept in the dark about 12 GP. Again during Umbridge's torture, Ron and Hermione have been finding ways to make Harry teach them DADA. However, I don't think Ron and Hermione exchange private information on purpose behind Harry's back (and hidden from the readers). They just feel comfortable to talk about those things among themselves alone, without Harry.

Speaking about counseling, that's another huge venom. Hermione counseled Ginny about Harry, but girls do exchange favours. Ginny must have counseled Hermione a lot about Ron! Thus, a mutual exchange. If Hermione wants Harry, why would she go to Ginny who didn't see Harry more often than Hermione did? I don't believe Hermione was dark enough to use Ginny as a bait to get Harry. I don't think Hermione even thinks of eyeing Harry, as she has her hand full of her own feeling, insecurity and inexplicable acts of the boy she reallly has feeling for (read: Ron)

I would like to ask all of us non-H/Hr shippers in here...do we have any other solid evidence why H/Hr would not work other than interviews? I mean, it's not like the interviews aren't important...they are coming straight from the woman's mouth who is writing the books, so they are very important and they are really tell-all, but do we have anything besides interview evidence? Because, I wouldn't want to think that we only had an interview to go on since there have been 6 books published...

Can someone *please* give me some good solid evidence?

muggleview, I agree with your...er, last paragraph there. I don't think that if Hermione and Ginny had feelings for Harry they would be as close as they are. We may not see the two of them together a whole lot, but Hermione always rooms with Ginny during the summers, and that is a lot of nights when there are no boys around...

Just the Droobles, actually most of the postings in this venom thread are to show why H/Hr will not work. The interview is considered as a moral boost. Simply said: it's not in the canon (although who would argue that Jo's conscious statement is not "canon").
Since page 1, I have read many clear arguments why among so many possible relationships, H/Hr has gone to an almost closed path ("almost" is to honour Jo's decision in Book 7).
In a very concise summary, the reasons are:
1. Harry (no romantic signal nor thought)
2. Hermione (no romantic signal)
3. Ron (Harry knows Ron likes Hermione and Hermione likes Ron)
4. Ginny (Ginny likes Harry and Harry likes Ginny)
5. The Weasleys (they have acknowledged R/Hr and H/G)
6. Draco (he's an intelligent villain)
7. The rest of wizarding world (especially those who have met Harry or Hermione)

Harry can be with Lavender or Parvati or Pansy or Romilda or others, if Ginny becomes unattainable, but Hermione will be the most difficult.

your right. oh and thanks you all for answering. all i do is sit at home in the summers, since at my dads house i don't know any body!
anywho, why would jk make ron and hermione so clear in the sixth book unless she was gonna go through with them? i mean, it would kinda be bad writing if all the sudden harry and hermione start having a love affair. then all those clues in the sixth book would have been for nothing! that would be very tactless, and we all know jk is very tactful.
and she would not have introduced harry and ginny getting together unless it would play some part in another book. all the head way jk made in book 6 would have all been for nothing. so no i am almost certain that harry and hermione won't happen. the percentage of the chance that it would happen is just about 0.o3 % sorry but that is what i feel

i hope that was a good argument for you just the droobles.

again, thankyou ellen for answering me! you attain all my respect *bows*

But Muggy Hermione and Ron couldn't tell Harry anything in there letters. I dunno, I'm just uncomfterble with the statement that "Hermione and Ron talk behind Harry's back." It makes them sound like bad friends, and they have proved time and time again, that they love Harry, and they are great friends.
Droobles, why the doubt? I think the chance of H/Hr truely is zero, if it wasn't for JK Rowling, I wouldn't be here, in my chair, typing these words right now. She created this hole world, that has been pulled apart and debated by thousands of people. If she says H/Hr won't happen then it won't.

I'm aware what this thread is here for... I know there are tons of things to crush the other ship, but some people don't think that an interview is as important as the books...I was just making sure we had other stuff. And we have plenty of it. And Ellen, I don't have any doubt either. There are tons of things pointing away from H/Hr, and we have listed and talked about nearly every single one of them. The only confidence I have in H/Hr is that it won't happen.

*hugs fellow non H/Hr shippers...*
Butterbeers to all!