Well those people want to ingorne what was said in that interview. Anyway, I just believe in the true to the point of tacklessness, I think most of you have gotten that already . Sorry if I offended you Droobles.

You didn't offend me at all Ellen.

Erm...wow. I don't really know what to add on to this topic. I mean, this ship is so impossible I can't really think of what else there is to say. But since book 7 isn't out yet...

About Ron and Hermione talking "behind Harry's back" I don't think they do it deliberately. But I do think they work well enough together and know Harry well enough to be able to communicate with each other and with him. I mean, how many times did Harry get the feeling that their conversation had been rehearsed? I think they were just trying to help him, not be sneaky. And that also shows that they can work together and get along. Perhaps Harry is the real problem....

Hello!

Ellen, Megan, Muggy... that's just the way our Droobs is. Always trying to be Devil's Advocate! That's what I like so much about having Aubrey in this threads... You have to agree, we need discussion. We need to have something to talk about. Just the Droobles gives us that.

Anyway...

"Talk behind Harry's back" might not be the best phrase. It does sound as though they were plotting against him (lol ), but they do talk when he's not around.

Maybe we could try to find a better phrase, but the fact that Ron and Hermione have conversations in which Harry does not participate, can't be denied.
Harry has had 'private' conversations with them, too. I mean, he has talked a lot with Ron while Hermione's not there (that's just natural, they're boys) and viceversa.

The venom here, is: when Hermione and Harry shared some "time alone" it was:

1- Because Ron and Harry had a fight (GoF)
2- Because Harry wanted to understand Cho and Hermione wanted to know how her best friend was treating his girlfriend (OotP)
3- Because Ron was in quidditch practice (OotP) [or anywhere else, for that matter]
4- Because Hermione was mad at Ron for having a girlfriend (HBP)
5- Because they were doing homework and things like that... etc.

They don't actually spend time alone because they enjoy each other's company in private. I'm not saying they dislike each other... they love to be around each other, but when Ron is around too. When the triangle is complete.

Otherwise it could get a little boring.

We always read the conversation between Harry and Ron without Hermione or Harry and Hermione without Ron. Sometimes we forgot that Ron and Hermione had many chances to talk without Harry. Seeing how the two actually often talked without involving Harry (basically Harry just happened to be there and recorded the conversation for us), we can assume all the time doing Prefect duties (patrolling or whatever) will not go by without conversation, arguments, jokes and some private matters. Ron's hesitation in book 6, that he didn't promise Hermione anything, showed that the two had actually talked something deeper, but Ron carefully held back the "promise", most likely due to his own insecurity. We simply don't see that with Harry. Harry could have never said he didn't promise Hermione anything, because we never see him even think about going to that direction.
"Talk behind Harry's back" should be better paraphrased into "Talk without Harry". As both of them are close friends to Harry, undoubtedly Harry will be a favourite object of conversation. Readers need to realize, we know Harry's motivation or ideas because we see his thought. Ron and Hermione didn't get that priviliege, but they can understand Harry better by comparing their notes on him. Ron supplied Hermione with what he knows and witnesses (Harry talking in his sleep etc), while Hermione supplied Ron with her logic based on her observation. Of course, the two usually started with differing opinions, but by discussing intensively, they can merge the opinions to understand Harry's mind much better. How many times have Hermione or Ron said "we understand" to Harry, as if they have gone through an analysis on the subject prior talking to Harry (or "rehearse" like mxnhpfreak posted)? I agree that Ron and Hermione's role is more like foster parents to Harry. This has been repeatedly used as a venom.
What Just the Droobles tried to do, to my opinion, is very good: not to let us depend on the interviews, but look back at the books to confirm our basic idea. At this point of the storyline, Harry and Hermione's possible relationship has gone to "improbable", because it will disrupt the whole built-up. What Jo said in the interviews is just a little "nudge, nudge, wink, wink" for those who already got her idea. That's her personal venom.

I've got to say, the very idea of a Harry/Hermione ship makes me shudder... the beauty of their friendship is that Harry can talk to Hermione about everything, even his girlfriends, without fear of being made fun of or making her jealous. Why is he able to talk to her about Cho and Ginny? Because there is absolutely nothing between them. A Hermione/Ron ship is much more realistic, as it will leave Harry isolated. JKR's already gotten one potential girlfriend (Ginny) out of the way. Hermione would just complicate things.

True TheWhitePhoenix, that Hermione would just mess things up. And it was never H/Hr ship that made me kringe, it was the love tringle crap. I think that the only way H/Hr could happen is if Ron was with someone first, and happy with them, not like Lavender. But with someone he can actually be with in a real way. And you know from a H/Hr shipper stand point Ron getting a girlfriend, and breaking Hermione's heart would of been a great situation. Harry could of been there and showed Hermione what a great guy he is and they could of gotten together. Hmmm.....

An excellent point WhitePhoenix.

Harry has already lost a lot of people he depended on. His parents, Sirius, Dumbledore...he may not lose Ron&Hermione like that, but if they do get together, it will be Harry, Ron&Hermione. Harry can have Ginny or whoever, but I think he is meant to be alone right now. He doesn't have time for a relationship with anyone, not Ginny or anyone else. His *life* is on the line here. I know love is the most important thing, but he loves plenty of people.

I believe there was something in the sixth book about Harry understanding that he is going to have to do this alone. Or maybe not...but having Harry be with someone like Hermione would give it all a great imbalance and it would throw off the trio entirely. At this point, I think Harry is supposed to be isolated, not Ron&Hermione. They both need someone, but Harry needs to be focusing on other things.
Did that make any sense?

Oh, and Ellen, great point about Harry and Hermione during Ron and Lavender's fling. Harry would have had ample opportunity to show Hermione what an awesome guy he was, but he never did. Not even for a moment. Yes, Ginny was there, but that's not the point. Ron, the only other male Hermione hangs out with was away from her, and yet Harry still made no romantic gestures or anything. Awesome.

But I think it's interesting, not to mention amasing, when Harry believes himself to be alone after he breaks up with Ginny to make himself alone, but isn't. I knew the two of them to wouldn't leave him alone. But again, it's my mind set of the whole trio thing. He won't be alone. It's my own personal view, because he's always alone when he confornts Voldermort, but he's never won before.
And thank you Droobles, it sends off big flashing signals about how they feel about eachother.

That's true Ellen and Droobles, Harry has to face Voldemort alone. That's why he didn't want to drag the one he loves with him. He can accept help from his "sidekicks", because the three of them had agreed to fight together. Once it's over Harry would not ever thought of "going back" to Hermione, but definitely to Ginny. Very difficult to find any slightest indication Harry/Hermione may have happened. Jo has made it impossible for herself to logically write H/Hr. I believe she is anti H/Hr.

Like many have said before me, Harry and Hermione.. there isn't anything there. He could barely stand her in GoF when she was fighting with Ron. Besides, I think its not that we want Harry and Hermione to be together, its that we have fallen in love with Dan and Emma and think that they would look cute together. I think that's why there's so many H/Hr shippers, because if you look at the books, it's practically impossible for them to get together.

Yeah, but I don't think Harry will be alone...I've said that, many times. Anyway, I agree with ScarletWoman, I think a lot of H/Hr shippers were made in the course of PoA, because Dan and Emma do look quiet cute together.

Fantasy can be stronger than reality. In this case, the fantasy of H/Hr together has grown stronger than the reality in the books. There are many symbolisms used to justify H/Hr, but many of those are too much far-fetched or based on obscure information, that happened to match H/Hr imaginary situation. The reality is H/Hr is not meant to happen, but with fantasy one can always justify the possibility. Jo Rowling has good experience with teenagers. She has captured their realistic emotional roller-coaster ride in her characters. She showed correctly as we have seen or experienced ourselves, that a romantic feeling in teenagers causes awkwardness or shyness. We can easily tell if two people are starting a romance from their awkward actions. The switch from a common friendship to a romantic relationship is one of the most difficult challenge in this age period. We see the struggle in Ron and Hermione, or Harry and Cho, or Harry and Ginny, but not in Harry and Hermione. There have never been indication that they are attracted romantically to each other. Jo Rowling has been very cautious and consistent not to give away ambiguous signals. Hermione's romantic feeling has been to Ron since early on, never to Harry. Harry's romantic feeling has never been to Hermione. Since book 4 Harry saw Hermione as a dateable girl ("pretty girl"), but he was never interested to think of her in romantic way. While he was infatuated with Cho, he kept an eye on Ginny (watching how "often" she twitched because Neville stepped on her during dancing in Yule Ball. To say "often" means his eyes followed her for some time). Hermione never find herself awkward to speak about romance with Harry, because she honestly didn't reserve any feeling for him. It was always about Ron. I don't see anything in 6 books to contradict this: the reality H/Hr is not there.

That is so true Muggy, "There are many symbolisms used to justify H/Hr, but many of those are too much far-fetched or based on obscure information, that happened to match H/Hr imaginary situation." I remember back in the days were the issue of Harry or Ron for Hermione was debateable, and H/Hr shippers seemed to have this completly differnt view to the books, that expanded beyond shipping.
Well anyway, I think that Harry's reaction to Hermione in the at the Yule Ball, in the movie, is suppose to mirror the audience's reaction, nothing more.

what bothers me about lots of h/hr shippers is that they use the movie hints as valid hints of harry and hermione. unless it is actually in the book the points are completly irrelevent to the story. i wrote this in another post but i'll write it again. the story lies in the book not the movies. if j.k rowlig wrote it down, thats the story. don't get me wrong, i love the movies, it just, when looking for information about the charactors, plot lines, or anything else, i look to the BOOKS! not the movies.
and for the people who havn't read the books and have only seen the movies , a lot of the time they think that harry and hermione will end up together, because the miss out on all the subtle hints in the book for ron and hermione. they get the significent hints but often the subtle ones are most effective. like in movie 3 they didn't get the scene where after snape puts down hermione in lupins class, the whole class gets mad and ron kind of lashes out at snape, his first sign of protectivness towards hermione.

A friendly warning megan, be careful at about the comments you point at H/Hr shippers. Someone could close this thread faster than you can say "I believe in trees." <this was a pharse made up by R/Hr shippers to point out how obvious R/Hr is.
But anyway, I wacthed the first two movies long before I cracked one of the books. I'll admit, I assumed that Harry and Hermione would get together when I wacthed the first, but CoS corrected me. The non-hug shows their feelings clearly. The same with my sister, she saw the thrid movie first with me, and she didn't think H/Hr, she saw R/Hr clearly. I agree with what Muggy's mugglenet essay.

I'm going to post this without reading anything but the last two posts and the first post, just because Im lazy like that. So if I make a point that has been made before, I'm sorry. And if theres a problem with me not reading the rest of the posts, sorry again. I'm just kinda new here and haven't completly understood everything...

Anyways. In my opinion, the most obvious clue for a H/Hr relationship is the fact that Hermione kissed (on the cheek!) Harry at the end of the fourth book, on the very last page of the American edition.
When I was young and inexperienced in the ways of HP, I immediatly intepreted this as a clear sign for a H/Hr romance. And up till today, I still can't find a reason for that kiss.
But I'm sidetracking myself. Up till the middle of the fifth book, it was clear to most that Harry and Hermione were meant to be. And the occasional shows of protectivness and care shown by Ron to Hermione or vice verca were taken as the kind of thing a good friend would show to a good friend.
But the sixth book made it obvious is was not like that, /at all/. Right from the beginning, you can see that Ron has a thing for Hermione, and Hermione a thing for Ron. Although I cannot begin to imagine why Ron, as a character, dated Lavender, I can clearly see that Rowling's purpose here was to make Hermione's love for Ron clearer, and later on vice verca.
Also, the fact that when Harry starts going out with Ginny Hermione doesn't even hint at the jealousy she made so obvious in relation to Ron and Lavender proves the point that even though Ron and Hermione may not be perfect to each other (although they certainly seem so to me ) Harry and Hermione are no less likely.

I know this is highly ironic, but I'm trying to be, here's the link to the H/Hr video me and my cousin made: http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?acti...D1839BD47B2645A . I basically viewed this as an AU (alternet universe) sort of thing, and there is not to many spetacual H/Hr videos out there. This is not a reflection on the shippers as peope in any way, trust me when I've say I've seen some truely awful R/Hr videos as well. But my cousin and I decided to try and make a pretty good one. Please check it out, but keep it mind it expires in a week.
Okay, back to the venom. First of all welcome ChrissyWhissy to the borads and our humble little thread. And I can find reason for that kiss ::rasies hand:: My best friend id a boy, and I've kissed him on the cheeck before. And I am not attracked to him in any way, shape, or forum. He's just my best friend. And I think that before HBP Hermione's desires where questionable, but in the sixth book, everything feel into place. There was no questioning it anymore, that "it's Ron and Hermione."
You know I think of way people say on these boards at the best times. Muggy said a few weeks ago that the herion in a story usally has guys lining up to be with her. When I was wacthing Pirates 2, I thought of that and smiled. Because Elizabeth has always reminded me of Ginny, and Will of Harry, though Will is more of a loveable loser than Harry...all the way through the story.

ok without anyone taking offense i always thought it was obvious that r/hr were going to be together...look at the second movie when Hermione comes back she gives Harry a big hug and shakes Rons hand this can be interrpertued as Hermione being shy to the person she likes it became painfully obvious in the 6th book that hermione and Ron liked each other
just my opinion

kitkat91, it not offensive to anyone here. Most of us has thought for a long time, before HBP, that R/Hr was glaringly obvious. But some believed that it was to obvious, so they beileved something differnt.

The kiss on the cheek in Book 4 was an exciting cliffhanger for H/Hr, but then it turned out to be a huge venom once we read book 5.

In book 4, Hermione kissed Harry as a farewell act, for what? summer vacation? Not until book 5 is out did we know the answer: Hermione was very excited that she would spend the whole summer with Ron! Ron told Harry, his mother would arrange Harry to come spending summer with him, but Dumbledore didn't allow that, citing Harry needs his blood protection from his aunt. We didn't know whether Ron asked Hermione to stay with him or not in book 4, so we thought he didn't. In book 5, we found out that he did and Hermione accepted. For Ron, it may not be big. But for Hermione, after the Yule Ball fiasco (remember we are talking about Book 4), Ron-Viktor rivalry that ended amicably by the end of the book, Ron's offer to stay with him (without Harry) the whole summer is "huge". Ron has definitely told her about Dumbledore's decision about Harry not coming, so here comes the time to say goodbye.

If we read the paragraphs clearly, we can see how Jo is writing it: The Weasleys bid farewell to Harry Potter. First, Mrs Weasley. Second, Ron. Third, Hermione, Fourth, the Twins. (Ginny was conveniently skipped by the author) So, Hermione's kiss was part of the procession. Mrs. Weasley gave her trademark bear hug. Ron patted Harry on the shoulder. What should Hermione do? A hug is too embarrasing (copying Mrs. Weasley), a hand-shake will be too formal. Hence, according to some theorists, Hermione did what is common between friends: a kiss on the cheek. Immediately, the Twins came to shake Harry's hands in turn. The Twins didn't findthe kiss strange (They usually have the knack for jokes). Mrs. Weasley didn't think it was out-of-place (remember, she didn't like H/Hr article in the magazine), Ron didn't get jealous and the biggest venom of all: Harry didn't feel a thing, except noting that Hermione behaves unusually (excited about her trip with Ron?).
Therefore, a kiss on the cheek for Harry, in front of Ron, Mrs. Weasley and the Twins, cannot be a sign for H/Hr, but more a H/Hr venom.

I don't think I'd go that deep into it Muggy, because like I've said, girls kiss their friends who are boys all the time. I think she did it because she was comfterable enough to do it. But I agree about the how everyone reacted to it, like it was no big deal.

Oh, I just repeated part of the past R/Hr vs. H/Hr debate. Many parts were discussed deeply, sometimes too deep, but it was fun.
For instance: the kiss was at the station. Jo's parents met at the station. So it's H/Hr.
(However, Jo never said her parents kissed at the station. H/G met at the station)

Do you guys realised that Ron and Hermione almost always stayed behind after Harry left the station (with Uncle Vernon)? The books end with Harry departing, but most of the time Ron and Hermione bid Harry farewell, while they are staying. Often, both parents were there as well. Knowing Arthur is keen to have coffee with the Grangers (and they seem like Arthur and the Weasleys), that will give a few more minutes for Ron and Hermione to share some thoughts about the coming holiday and exchange special farewells (No, I don't think they kiss. Not in front of their parents, Ginny and the Twins). They can just look at each other meaningfully and the whole world, except Harry and the readers, will understand how they feel about each other. Or Hermione may give Ron a kiss on the cheek as well. Who knows?

Anyway, Harry's departure didn't bring some sadness to Hermione nor to Harry, the kind of "I miss you, thing", so it is not going to be H/Hr.

I also think that she was very worried about Harry, because he just saw Voldermort come back. It's truely an act of sweet friendship, nothing more, nothing less. Ah yes, the debate thread, I'm getting a nostalgic headach right now!
I think it's possiable that the Wealsleys might of gone with the Grangers to the Leaky Coldron after Harry leaves, I think that the Grangers must be pretty comfortable with the Weasleys to let their daughter stay with them so often.

For the Grangers, it is a great opportunity to understand the world their daughter is in. The Weasleys are not only a good source (Arthur works at the Ministry), but they are the friendliest family towards Muggles as well. The Grangers will feel much better if later they have to let Hermione live in the wizarding world, because she will be in good hand.
The Grangers didn't bother to know Harry, nor talk to him. This shows that Hermione never stresses the importance of Harry to her parents. The parents may just think Harry as a friend. I remember how Arthur introduced Harry and Hermione to Cedric's father: "just the red haired ones. This is Hermione, Ron's friend, and Harry, another friend" (GOF). Right there, is probably also the view of the Grangers: "Ron, Hermione's friend, and Harry, another friend." The Grangers may be very surprised to know that some people insisted Hermione loves Harry! They definitely never expect that to happen. They may not be anti H/Hr. They just cannot see that can happen.

Very sassy, Muggy . But that is true, if her parents thought that Hermione had a crush on Harry, then they would make the effort to even talk to him, but no. But then again I think that Hermione might not say to much about Harry, because he's gets her into danger a lot. But it's true. Some people seem to think that Hermione's parents would not be to keen on the idea of R/Hr, I think the opposet is ture.

Hermione's parents are definitely fond of Ron. He is irresistable, even to Jo.
The great trait of Ron is trustworthy. That is a big plus for any parents who have to allow their daughter to be with someone. Ron can be trusted to take a good care of Hermione. Arthur and Molly have the same traits as well.
Hermione must have told her parents about Harry, but not in the same mood as about Ron. Parents are good in detecting things like this. The Grangers are educated people. They can immediately see through whom their daughter has special interest to, and they quickly made a move to know the person and his familly, so there won't be any surprise (as if magical world is not surprising enough). We know in Book 2 that they stepped into Diagon Alley to accompany Hermione, and they stuck with the Weasleys afterwards. In Book 3 and beyond, they just dropped Hermione into the Weasleys or allow Hermione to be picked up. As they don't read wizard news, they won't know about false H/Hr rumours. Doubtful that they even have any slightest idea about H/Hr.

Yeah, just keep poring it on. Because the Grangers clearly turst the Weasleys a lot. I think that this topic about Hermione's parents has temporally run it's course and that we should change it. I am reading HBP right now, along with other things, and I was at the part were Harry smelled the love potion, and he didn't even know it was Ginny tell he conected that dot a while later. It takes away from the love-potion threoy some people seem to be entertaining.

The beauty of the scene is Harry realised whom he is actually interested to (subconsciously) not by seeing, but by smelling. Harry was infatuated by Cho by looking at her appearance. He didn't notice smell or anything. With Ginny, it's the smell and clearly said "from the Burrow". Harry has been in close proximity of Hermione for years, and didn't have any interest to her smell, so this is blatantly anti H/Hr.

Yeah, like books and ink, and whatever her shampoo is. But yeah, he would of noticed her scent, and he didn't even notice her desired Ginny till he realised it. Wow, that sounded confusing, but I think you all get it.
I was think about what H/Hr shippers are saying, how it's not H/G or R/Hr at the end, but it's certainly not H/Hr either. To me it's clear that R/Hr are together because it's no accident that right after Harry broke it off with Ginny that he sees Ron and Hermione embracing one another.

ok, whoever started the harry/ hermione was insane (no offense)but it's ron and hermione, its been ron and hermione from the beginning. they're so cute together! harry belongs with ginny. kinda like james and lily...


MOD EDIT: Watch it there, how do you feel if people call you insane for liking a ship? Play nice here, no calling names, got it? ~zyra

After seeing the R/Hr embrace at the end of HBP, will Harry be able to have relationship with Hermione? Especially if Ron died a tragic death, Harry won't feel comfortable to take his best friend's girl as his. Besides, Harry has another girl he labeled "best source of comfort".
With that embrace, the question of whether H/Hr will happen, should cease. The answer is "NO".

hummm..I agree with MuggleView...It would be hard for harry and hermione to have a relationship after the hug..also I think that part of harry or all of him has been trying to get them together..I just think that no matter what they dont really belong together..also..theres Ginny. Harry loves her and if she dies and ron dies..I still think there is no chance for Harry and hermy.
Courtney

I think the whole point of this thread is to prove that there never was a chance. But anyway, it's a bit of an irony, but what displays Harry's true feeling for Ginny is that he broke up with her, and Hermione atacked Ron with birds. Love is the air! I love the way JK has writen her love stories, they're more like real life, that it's hardly perfect.

in the sixth book Harry actually acknolagedes the ron and hermione, uhhh... relationship thing... after hermione asks ron to the christmas party. remember? And he showed no sign of jealousy what so ever. on the contrary, the only thing he was worried about was if they broke up, would he be able to bridge the gap. In no way does harry have romantic feelings for hermione. J.K.R has said it herself, in interviews and threw her writing.
oh and i agree with you ellen. some people did not percieve harry and ginny's break up correctaly. He did it because he wanted her out of danger, because he loves her

"Did Hermione ever deny she was Harry's girlfriend?" posted someone.
Not in words, but in actions. Jo Rowling didn't feel the necessity to write down the denial in the canon, but implied it in Hermione's actions. Whom should Hermione address the denial? She can never convince the whole world, but she can convince the One she loves. If the One she loves never thought of the rumour seriously, why would she need to convince him more?
Ron never see Harry-Hermione. Harry denied it flatly. Hermione laughed at it. Their best friend should be the one easily saw whether it's true or not. Ron was convinced that there's nothing between Harry and Hermione. His concern was more Viktor-Hermione. If Ron is convinced already that Hermione was not Harry's girlfriend, why would she need to deny?
This silent denial is a brilliant anti H/Hr message from Jo Rowling.

Isn't that enough in canon to clearly show that Hermione believes a relationship with Harry would be laughable? I can guarantee that most people I know would probably be a little sheepish if something was written like that about them and the person they "loved." Ron didn't even flare up at all about that article, but instead addresssed what Rita Skeeter had done to Hermione. His first concern was her. Or her image at least. It was clear, to me at least, he didn't appreciate Rita talking about Hermione like that, as he says "scarlet woman."

Harry seemed appalled by the idea and flat out denied it to everyone who asked. It would seem to me if he cared about Hermione like that he would've been thinking..."Do I like Hermione?" Clearly, it never even crossed his mind.

Yeah, he never thinks that it's a possiabity that he and Hermione should be together. It never crosses his mind that Hermione could be more to him than what she is. He never notices things like, how her eyes sparkle when she laughs, or how he feels happier and safer when she's near, or how he feels just a little bit happier every time he says her name. There's no romance on Harry's side, none on Hermione's, she finds the very idea LAUGHABLE! This is not a budding romance.

i dont think harry and hermione will ever get together they will always be friends but not in that way harry loves ginny and hermione love ron....and that is the way it will be

Throughout the series, Jo Rowling has been very careful in describing the romance. Especially to describe the hidden ones. Harry always noticed good things about Ginny, things that pleases him. He has been critical to other girls. Hermione definitely didn't find favour from her look or behaviour. Harry stuck with her as a close friends, but he never describes Hermione with romantic connotation. The only place he described Hermione as "pretty girl" is a general term for girls dressed nicely for big party. Even so he didn't notice her as much. During the dance, the girl Harry paid close attention to is not Hermione, but Ginny (dancing nearby with Neville).
Unlike with Ron and Hermione, the conversation between Harry and Hermione was usually very serious business-related discussion. Nothing about feelings.

I think Harry paid most attention to Cho, but that's true about the pretty girl comment, Harry would of been jealousy that she was with Krum, and he clearly was annoyed by the fact that people thought Hermione was his girlfriend. It's just so very unlikely.

I got a great icon for this anti SHIP...

In fact, it's in my siggie :



What do you guys think? Is it anti- H/Hr enough? (Gotta love the ones with references to 'your mom' in them!)

Lily Potter, in very rare cases, mentioning "your mom" can get you a headbutt.
Better be safe than sorry.
Other that than, I can say it's totally "venomous"

Ellen, Harry was jealous at Cho dancing with Cedric, but somehow he was enjoying to watch Ginny's uncomfortable with Neville. I think Jo wanted to put an asterisk saying "important later". Anyway, Hermione was not much into the picture until she came to the boys.
An important venom follows: Harry was okay with Viktor and Hermione.

Yeah, I think that was the point, that Harry desn't care about Hermione being with another boy, Ron does. But I think that it is interesting that when he wasn't looking at Cho, he was looking at Ginny. And I agree about who JK has desired romance between character, and how she does it very carefully.
LilyPotter, I've be careful, and get rid of that. But it is pretty funny.

It's interesting to read that when Ginny came into picture, Harry spent time to describe her in several lines, while other things fade away. In Book 3, for example, Harry came to the Inn with Ron and Hermione, when he saw Ginny came in with Mrs. Weasley. On reading it again, I was impressed that suddenly Ginny's action was written in detail taking ample space. That shows attention Harry gave to Ginny, even as e never said he pays attention. On the same pages (when Ginny was there), Hermione was not mentioned even once.
The same thing in Book 4, Ginny and Hermione both entered the room, but more description was given to Ginny than Hermione. Hermione was never described with more words except at the Yule Ball. This shows how little Harry actually pays attention to Hermione's detail appearance. A bad sign for romantic relationship!

Like I've said before, there's no sprikling of poetry for Hermione, but lots for Ginny. And Harry's description of Hermione doesn't change at all for 4 books. Lots of brown hair and big teeth, and he's not even the one to notice first that her teeth are differnt! Ron does. Harry never has put Hermione in a romantic light, ever.

Will Harry ever notice Hermione in romantic light?
Now Harry has more experience with women. He dated two exceptional ladies: Cho and Ginny.
1. Both are good Quidditch players. Quidditch is Harry's favourite hobby. If he has to find a girl other that Cho and Ginny, his choice may still hover around Quidditch lovers. Hermione is not one of those.
2. Harry has experienced dating a girl for her face (pretty face) in Cho, but then he realised he needs comfort more than face. The best source of comfort for Harry is Ginny. Hermione has never been one. Harry often felt uncomfortable with Hermione's constant nagging.

Harry has been in the company of other girls as well, as friends, other than Hermione:
Luna and Parvati. We can see how he treated those girls. Harry talked to them, got information (Parvati is a good source of school rumours), but nothing more. Some readers ship Harry/Luna because of the conversations. However, we realise that those conversations can happen between classmates or good friends, without necessarily romantic feelings in it. Thus, we have seen the distinction Harry gave to his female classmates, including Hermione, compared to a romantic partner, like Cho and Ginny.

With all this, it takes a bit of stretch to make Harry/Hermione happen, even in the future.

Muggleview, you are wonderful at finding good ways to win your arguments.Kudos!
yes you are correct. harry has never seen hermione in a romantic light. i do think he loves her, but as like a sister, nothing more nothign less
And like i said before, why would JK lay the ground work for harry and ginny, if she just would have harry love hermione? that would be unbelievably uncharacteristic. jk said that harry and hermione won't happen, it won't happen. i have said this before and i will say it again.: she has told us her self and through her writing. so there.

Yeah, there's nothing but brotherly-sisterly feeling between those two. Harry gets way too annoyed with Hermione, very much like an older sister to her brother who is being bad. I think that they need eachother in their lives, but not in a romantic way. And it seems way to soap oprea-y for H/Hr to happen now, because Harry has already said how he feels about Ginny, to have him love Hermione as well...it seems like such a crap thing to do. And so many H/Hr shippers are saying how crazy HBP was for romance.

Megan, thanks for the compliment.
Ellen, I cannot see Harry and Hermione need each other in their lives. Harry can live perfectly fine without Hermione. He didn't miss her that much as long as Ron stays by him. However, not having Ginny available, that hurts Harry. Harry needs Ginny in his life, not Hermione. Harry needs Hermione's support in his quest or fight against Voldemort. The same way, Hermione doesn't need Harry. When she and Ron fought about Scabbers, she didn't want Harry's company. She was perfectly fine to stay alone in the library. When Ron and Harry clashed, she divided her time between the two, to maintain the trio relationship, but she didn't particularly need Harry. Hermione makes herself useful in supporting Harry. She is eager to help and is loyal to Harry as a close friend. However, Hermione was very uncomfortable when Ron was not there. She was at loss when Ron was dying. Hermione needs Ron in her life.
Harry and Hermione regard their friendship highly. They have secured their position and their spouse selection. Both Harry and Hermione are anti H/Hr.

Muggleview, i have to say , that i do slightly disagree with you. i do think harry needs hermione in his life. Don't worry i'm not saying romantically, but he does need her. she's part of the support systm with ron.he needs her. just not in the way he needs ginny.