i was so upset when Sirius died!!! He's the best! Also he death isn't even a straightforward death - going through that strange veil, which makes it even worse! :cry:

Yes, it's very tragic, I agree. But at least we'll know why Jo killed him off in the next couple of books (I read this on Mugglenet, on the book six facts page).

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PLEASE watch when you're posting... there are people who haven't read book 5 yet.

Sorry Ceres.
Oh thanks Priori I'll look at that then!

I can't find it! Why did she kill off Sirius, Priori?

Please try not to double post...

THe reasons for Sirius' death will become apparent in later books. Rowling has a reason for it, as he was a very loved and important character. Cedric's death caused a lot of problems when book 5 came along... so Sirius' will probobly cause some (especially for Harry and the Order) in the next few...

Ceres, double-posting is not wanted, but it's alright, It's repeated posts that are the ones we got after.

SO DON'T REPEAT POSTS!!

Anywho, I didn't like Sirius dying either. Except I knew ahead of time because I was flipping around the book because I hate getting shocks. So, I found the page where Harry's like "HE'S NOT DEAD!!!" and furiously flipped to the previous page to figure out who he was talking about.

I cried when i read that part. Maybe he really didn't die and the ppl in there are actually trapped or something/ Hope so!!!

Argh! I keep gettin into trouble! Sorry!

My friend flipped throught the book too NastyShort, but by accident. She had read it before me and was like : Ooooh someone's going to die, who could it be?
So I made her say 5 names + the person who dies would be in it.
She said:
Hermione
Ron
Cho
Sirius
Dumbledore

And I knew it would be Sirius The best characters always die....

I think your friend should have tried harder to make it less obvious, lol. Sirius came up on my list of suspects, but I honestly didn't think it WOULD be him!!!

I thought it was going to be Mr. Weasley when he got bitten. All throughout that episode I was just in shock, thinking "Please don't be dead, please don't be dead, please don't be dead, please don't be dead..."

Yeah... it was sad. It was so nice that Harry was able to have a father-son type of relationship since he had never had one. I know this is a bit off topic... but the 5th book I was a little disapointed that Lupin and Harry didn't seem to talk much. I thought they had a nice bond in POA.

I totally agree DancingVeela! I was expecting Harry to spend as much time with Lupin as he did Sirius. I guess Lupin took a step back just to let Harry and Sirius get on with it. It must of been so frustrating for Sirius being locked up in that house! I loved it when Lupin, Tonks, Mad-eye and people went to get Harry from the Dursleys, sadly Sirius couldn't go

Hey, wow I was really upset too when I read OoTP and found that Sirius died-although my friend told me he was going to die even before I got to the part .
Personally (and I'm sure that many others think this way too), I don't think that Sirius is actually dead...he's just lying beyond that veil in something that I think is much worse than death itself.
Often I can find myself thinking that maybe there's a way someone can get Sirius back from that veil, seeing as he isn't dead yet, but I couldn't say, because no one really knows anything about it, anyhow.
I'm hoping that in HBP the veil will be explained thouroughly (and I'm sure it will ), but for now I'm here to cry all day long until I get my Black back, although I'm doubting that'll happen.

But just think, if Jo wanted to kill off one of the best characters it has to be for a good reason. Nothing bad will come of Sirius's death.

And yes I was very upset to, I was actually in shock and still not believing he was dead after I finished the book for the second time.

Poor Sirius, he hasn't had an easy life has he? I'm re-reading all the Harry Potter books so I can see Sirius again!
It was so sweet in OOTP when Lupin + Sirius were reminiscing wasn't it?
Can't wait to see a young, hunk Sirius in the OOTP movie!!

Ok wat i sed was a bit of an understatement! lol. Can I just say that when ppl talk about Sirius being gay with Lupin it gets me sooooo mad! SIRIUS BLACK WAS NOT GAY!!! And personally I don't think Lupin was either!

Okay, I never heard they were gay! What a load of b.s. While I highly doubt that we will ever see sirius alive, I hope we see a lot of him in flashbacks, cuz that would be sweet!

I did hear about the gay thing - people really seem to like writing fan fics on it, though personally I think it's kind of...well...I don't know...heavy. HP is supposed to be for kids guys??!! Getting a little heavy on the big life issues, I think....But hey, the internet is for everyone and each to his own...let free speech reign.

Anyway, I reckon Gary Oldman would be pretty happy if they did include loads of flashbacks in the films - he was gutted about what happened to his character!!! He was hoping for a bit more work with HP to impress his kids, I think....

The way I see it, the thing is....*deep breath* Sirius had to die.
There was no true and viable hope for him. Not at that point anyway. New Minister of Magic in the next book, or none, it was extremely unlikely that he would have been cleared with ease...
From the wizarding point of view, where's the proof, the evidence? It still would never have been accepted if it was just *Oh, Dumbledore and Harry Potter say.....*
And because of that, he would never have known real freedom again. He was suffering SO badly of depression and was starting to form such unrealistic views, of Harry, of how the world worked, of wht ws appropriate...
In my opinion, he was slowly finally going mad. And I don't mean the *running round with a tea-cosy on your head singing I'm a little goblin...*, The darker, serious kind of mad, that slowly destroys you...

Ehh, sorry, I got a little heavy there ....but that's just the way I see things....

I totally agree! He hated being locked up in that house and not being able to do anything for the order. It was making him really depressed and restless. It is so sad his name never got cleared, or may never get cleared....

Yeah, I agree with Nivaya too. Poor old Sirius....He's the ultimate tragic hero really, isn't he? What a sad life though...to die never having seen justice....to be in such an impossible situation. And JKR really liked him!!! If she can torture a character whom she liked as much as she did poor Sirius, what on earth would she do to a character she didn't like?!!

Maybe, if it comes out he died for the Order (they'd have to admit that they were harbouring a convicted criminal first though) and if Pettigrew isn't really dead, maybe there's still a way he can get a posthumous pardon...**hopes desperately!!**

BTW, Pettigrew can't be dead....Didn't JKR say that he's not beyond redemption yet? Pretty hard to redeem yourself if you're dead.....

Lol yeh!
In the movie POA, I didn't picture him looking like that....

Who's Collin Ferrill?

OMG!!! **gasps and clutches hand to chest in shock** Don't you know??!! Oh, you poor child!...Let me educate you quickly in the wonderful nirvana that is sexy, brooding, dark-eyed, Irish brogued Colin...click on these links...quick!!!

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Not really right for Sirius, at least not an older Sirius....but very suitable as a younger one...oh yes, indeedy-do.....**drools**

Uh oh! Now you've started her off!
Colin was in Phone booth, Minority Report, Tigerland.....know him now?

I was actually irritated by Sirius in OOTP. In GOF, he says of Crouch something like --"you can judge a man by how he treats his inferiors." Then he goes on to treat his house elf just as bad as Crouch. Plus, he was so dang moody.

Oh come on, mate! Have just a little sympathy for the poor guy! You'd be pretty moody too if you'd been imprisoned for twelve years for something you didn't do - not to mention having to cope wth his own grief at losing two of his best friends, being betrayed by one and thought to be guilty by the other one. And that's without the additional frustration of practically being incarcerated again within a house he hated that reminded him of everything awful in his past, being unable to do anything positive to contribute to the order, being ribbed about it by someone who is lording it over you just because you were unlucky enough to have caught a heap load of bad luck.....

As I said in my reply to your other thread, people are inherently hypocritical things in their own values when it comes to their personal lives....and there were reasons, perfectly justifiable reasons in Sirius' mind, for why he treated Kreacher the way he did.

I personally felt nothing but sympathy for Sirius and Harry throughout OotP.....it was, I think, one of the most painful books of the series yet to read, just because of everything the two of them had been through, and then for it to all just end the way it did.....so unresolved in so many ways.....it was just all so tragic....and very, very sad.....

Sirius's death made me so sad and angry. For a short while afterward i even tried to convince myself that Jk was gonna bring him back in the next book. but, in the end i just had to face the facts; sirius is not coming back

hu! hu! hu! it was very sad! and i really hated that scene when i knew that sirius died! he's one of my favorites really!

i bet sirius' death caused a big shock for everybody, but more on harry than anybody else. i still don't understand how that mysterious veil works. it stinks that sirius is now gone.

it was so sad when sirius died, i know!!!!! he was one of my favorite characters

notice that JKR never said what curse killed him, though. It just says "the next jet of light hit him directly in the chest" or something like that, it doesn't say "a jet of green light" or anything... but it may not matter since it was the veil that killed him anyway. still, i think that's a little suspicious...

Sirius was awesome!!!i miss him sooooo much!!!!!!but im convinced now that he will never come back alive but maybe harry can talk to him???


yeah she never mentioned any spell??

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Alright, so, I don't think this is the best place to post this as no one will probably check this in maybe a year. However, I would quite like NOT to be reprimanded once again by an authority figure here for doing something wrong. I'm not saying that in an angry way, just in case a prefect or moderator is reading this. In fact, I'm just a tad scared of you guys.

ANYWAY! The point of this reply is to give a possible way to test whether Sirius is dead or not. There were many witnesses to his "death." In the fifth book, we learned about thestrals and how they're only visible to a person who has seen death. So, the test is to see whether anyone other than Neville, Harry, or Luna (because they are the ones I am positive have seen death) can see thestrals now. This isn't a foolproof method, as a death has to sink in and who knows how attached Sirius was to one of the members of the Order of the Phoenix. Also, it's more than likely that almost all of them (especially the aurors) have seen death. Tonks might be a good solution though, as she's the most junior in that field and she knew Sirius/ was his cousin so she must have been at least upset about it.

Sorry for the longwinded post, but it's just a thought I had.

hey thats not nice we dont know positivley if sirius was straight. do you have a problem with gays or something? what is so bad if peeps want to say he was gay?
about michelle desslers post

being gay is too heavy for children is that was you are saying? that's kinda jacked up if it IS in fact what you are saying beacause we shouldnt protect kids from issues of being gay we should encourage self identification and stuff like that
anyways sirius's death was sad and i think his char was really cool so it made me *sniffle* cry when he died he was positivley dashing

miridian, I don't think that Michelle was saying that his sexuality was heavy, just that the fanfictions that are being written are a bit "heavy" as she says. I've read some of them and a lot of them take it a bit far. If you're really concerned about it, why don't you PM Michelle and ask her personally? Hmm? I don't think it's such a big deal, though.

That is an icredible idea! I think you are completely right and that that would be a perfect idea!

On a sadder note , I don't think we will ever see that theory tested *sigh*. Everyone that is aware of Sirius' death just simply accepts it as a fact. They won't be trying to figure out if he is really dead or not, because they truly believe he is... but-i-dont-because-hes-not-really-dead-hes-just-sleeping!

Sorry... spaz attack

I think the main method of communication with Sirius (oh yes, there will be communication!), will be by the 2-way mirror that Sirius gave him. I know, I know, Harry smashed it by throwing it into his trunk... Hasn't anyone heard of "reparo!"? Hermione used it in book one... come on, it's first grade people

Besides, if Draco can repair a vanishing cabinet, surely Harry can repair one little mirror

How true. Gary Oldman put all that I had to say so eloquently. I wish JKR knew ever a fraction of what it is like to live through hell and then die without enjoying the fruits of freedom. The way she so callously kills of nice guys in her fics leaving[mod edit]like Snape, Malfoy, Umbridge and others alive. Man does she have a heart????????


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i was just at wikipedia.org, and i realized that Harry and Sirius are second cousins once removed. yea, it has almost nothing to do with this toppic but i thought it was interesting.

<3 megan

well for me, sirius is actually dead...dead and wont come back BUT will somehow communicate with harry through the two-way mirror.. (sigh if only harry had used it instead of using old umbridge's fireplace...)

but this is my theory anyway

In Jo's interview, she said that there was a reason why sirius had to die..

my guess is that sirius died, to give harry another layer of protection called 'love'...
and voldemort doesnt have his 'new blood' and so cant touch him or cast a spell on him

also...sirius CHOSE to fight to protect harry + co, and it wasn't necessary for him to come

The first time I read PoA and GoF, I didn't really see Sirius as an important character and was kind of surprised to find who died in OotP because JKR had said an important character would be dying. But the second time round, I think I realized more detail in the books, that I never noticed before. And now i cry everytime I read Sirius falling through the veil, immersed in battle against Bellatrix. I hope Sirius actually isn't dead . I keep looking for loopholes and I found a good one on www.beyondhogwarts.com about sirius being able to come back through the veil as his animagus. The only downside would be that he would not be able to turn back to a human.