Before Harry goes off with Dumbledore he tells Hermione to "rustle" up the D.A. When he gets back the only ones that are fighting are Ginny, Luna, Neville, Ron, and Hermione. What happened to the rest of them? Harry passes Ernie Macmillan not that much later and he acts like he has absolutely no idea what's going on. Why didn't he get the warning from Hermione. She did put it out because Luna was there and she's in Ravenclaw. Thoughts?

The only reason Neville and Luna came, like Harry said, is becuase they were the ones who most wanted the D.A. to continue. Therefore, they still had their fake galleons(sp?) and Hermione used the Protean charm she put on them last year; so Neville and Luna felt the warmth of the coin, looked down, and hurried to where Hermione was.

They were the only two people that came becuase they were the only ones that still had their coin, or still had it with them.

I just have so much love for Luna and Neville. But man...can you imagine the people that were jelous that they were not at the fight? I mean, these kids go and run into a fight with very viscious people. Now, and I am so happy about this, Neville and Luna are heros! I love this! One of the best parts of the entire book actually. DD's Army may be small, but ,an it has a big bite!

I was completely wrong before the HBP was out. I thought that it would continue but it didn't. Neville and Luna were there, like many before me said, because they were the only ones that had there coins. As to the spell Hermione put on the paper that they signed in OotP, that ment that they could only talk to DA members about it. I believe that Neville would have told some of the Griffendor members to come but i never did understand why.

I think that the DA, if it were to continue, would have won the Order the fight against the DEs and DD would still be......alive.

You know Secretkeeper, I think you're right. If the entire DA was there, excluding the twins and Lee, then I think it would have really taken those DE by surprise. As it was, if it had not been for Ginny, Neville and Ron, Mcgonagll would have been fighting alone. Sad really, it would have made such a fantastic fight scene had they all jumpeed in and worked as a team. Pansys.

I think we might be seeing more of the 6 member DA in the seventh book. I mean its the same 6 people who were in the fight scene for book 5, and book 6. I think Nevilled will do something really cool, as he wants revenge for his parents. Ginny is closer to Harry now, so she will help him more, im not sure about Luna. Ron and Hermione we know their story, so yeah the DA, even if its these 6 will definately return in Book 7.

Neville and Luna (I love them by the way) are a blit lonely and haven't got that many friends and I think that being a member of a gruop made them happy.

I agree that they probably carried their coins around with them, thinking "what if?"

They are very loyal and brave. I do hope we'll meet them in book 7!

My only question is where were the house elves during the Dumbledore attack?

Weren't Doby and Kreacher ordered to follow Malfoy? If we assume that they were still following Malfoy, then we have to assume they were there when Dumbledore was attacked.

Basically, I don't think Doby would have let Dumbledore die. I believe that Dolby interfered once again and has somehow kept Dumbledore alive. We shall see

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yeah wat were they doin during the attack?

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YA but didn't harry tell dobby he could sleep or rest or whatever after he delivered his last report. Since all the comotion happened at night it could be that dobby was sleeping and obviously kreacher wasnt ordered to be there so he wasnt.

Actually, I'm pretty sure Dobby and Kreacher were following Draco, but Dobby was too afraid of his old master to attack. Kreacher, I think, would have been sure that he was safe, if he didn't act, as he didn't have any orders to protect Harry or anyone else. He even said that he would rather have been property of Malfoy, I doubt Kreacher would have wanted to attack him.

House eleves are cool

yeah, i agree with sara324, harry did tell them to get some rest. i mean he already knew what malfoy was doing and for him to continue would be useless because they couldnt get into the room of requirement. so they werent on the tower. and im sorry dumbledore is dead!!! i hate that it did happen but its true!!! i think....

I don't think that Dobby and Kreacher were following Malfoy anymore after they reported to Harry. I believe that J.K. Rowling not mentioning it is just her possibly assuming we would think they were no longer following Malfoy. My personal thought, though.

Dobby seems like he is VERY snoopy to me and he always has the well being of harry in mind. I find it hard to belive that Dobby simply stopped following Malfoy and trying to help harry after he reported to him. I mean, dobby was even reporting to harry and trying to help him when he still was a slave to the malfoys so i dont see dobby just not keeping tabs on draco just cause harry no longer asked him to.

just my opinion

hi there!

yes good question~

well remember that Dumbledore died late at night, and harry told kreacher and dobby that they could sleep. i dont think dobby and kreacher would follow malfoy if they believed him to be in bed. so, in that case, dobby and kreacher, i believe, were sleeping when Dumbledore died.

also, ive said this in the Death Thread,
i dont believe JK Rowling to be the type of writer to being a man back from the dead.

harry accepted his death.
i dont think dumbledore will just pop back up in the 7th book.
harry is becoming a man--he will face voldemort on his own.

also, sirius black and many others died. none of them came back.
it makes me sad, but i do not believe dumbledore to come back.

well then, keep the theories coming, they are very inspiring!!!

Like Auror37, I got the sense that Harry dismissed Kreacher and Dobby from the job of following Malfoy when they reported to him about the room of requirement. I think it's also important to remember that Dobby isn't omniscient; he doesn't know what's going on throughout the castle. He didn't attack Umbridge after all the terrible things she did to Harry. He didn't apparate to the Ministry when both Harry and Dumbledore were in danger. He was only able to help Harry on the 2nd task in GOF after overhearing Moody and McGonagal.

The battle in Hogwarts occurred in a quieter area of the castle. Those who participated were only there because they were altered by someone. Dobby may have been asleep or he could have been diligently working.

Fizzing Whizzbees,

You made a good point. The battle did take place in a quiet part of the castle, the top of the Astronomy tower if I am not mistaking. I could be wrong, I don't have my book in front of me.

I want to know where the faithful Fawkes was in the astronomy tower when DD gor killed. In OOTP, when DD and Voldemort square off Fawkes comes to the aid of DD and swallows an Avada Kedavra curse. He also showed up for Harry in the Chamber of Secrets. IF Fawkes would come to Harry'ss aid, wouldnt he come to his masters aid in his most desperate time of need. I think it is because DD knew he had to die and Snape had to kill him. This is a key piece of info nobody has thought about yet. Fawkes would have gone down fighting with DD. Where was he????

Good thought. I'm thinking that Fawkes didn't appear because Dumbledore had to die and had pre-arranged that Snape would have to do it. For those people who believe Snape is evil, though, I suppose it could have been because Dumbledore trusted Snape and Fawkes did not know to protect Dumbledore from him .

very interesting!

I agree with Meggie that DD knew he would die and that Snape would be the one to do it. The thing I find most intregueing (?spelling) is the fact that Fawkes went to Harry's aid. Do we know of the Pheonix going to the aid of anyone else? More and more I get the feeling ~ as I have stated in my own topic "Did DD have a time turner" ~ that there is some intrinsic link between Harry and DD, that DD was using the wizzard form of time travel to alter and therefore steer past events. I know that JKR has said quite clearly that DD is not Harry in the future/Ron in the future but she has not told us definitley that he is not the younger version of another character. I know what I mean and hope you do. Really feel that Fawkes is vital to the story and that DD ad Harry are linked in more ways than we know

(slightly off topic ~ Sorry!)

My personal belief is that fawkes did not appear b/c dd wan;t in any real danger, that the whole thing was staged. If i am wrong, than I believe that he did not appear b/c he trusted snape and/or rehersed what happened with snape.

Sorry, I know this is off topic, but I just noticed something interesting in muggle-marauderess post.... The Marauders Map (aka Padfoot, Prongs, Wormtail, Mooney) was insulting Snape, however, Wormtail first says something nice to Snape before insulting him - why? Was Wormtail already a two-faced git? Was he friends with Snape as well as Sirius, James and Lupin? Perhaps that is how James learned the levicorpus spell that Snape wrote in his potions book....

Yeah, I'm pretty sure that Dobby & Kreacher were done following Malfoy. They told Harry that he was going to the room of requirement, and I think that that was all he wanted to know from them.

harry never actually told kreacher and dobby to continue following malfoy so how do we know. after dobby told him taht he was going to the room of requirement harry just told them to get some sleep. i just think they stopped trailing him.

ronluver

i have many different thoughts to that question.

first off, there's always the thought that dumbledore is a horcrux, and he had confided all his knowledge to snape, and since voldemort thinks snape is on his side, snape would also have undercover knowledge that dd could never know. then, knowing that snape would have to kill him, he was specifically asking for severus when he was very weak having just apparated back to hogsmeade with harry. then to make it convincing, he added on the act of saying 'severus, please..." just before he died. because if snape were to have fought it off saying things like "no! i don't want to kill you!" then it would've been evident that something was going on, and people would want to know about the horcruxes.

secondly, we can think that fawkes, being like a member of dd's family, would've also fully trusted snape, and did not feel the necessity of going to dd's aid when he was with a fellow teacher.

im sure everything will meet end to end in book 7.

How so very interesting! I had missed that tidbit about Fawkes not showing up to assist Dumbledore... Very intriguing...

Of course, part of me immediately thinks "Dumbledore told Fawkes not to save him", as he and Snape had orchestrated the whole thing. We already know that Dumbledore was not afraid of dying, don't we?

Hmmm... I must ponder this angle some more...

Cheers!

My dear MizzLilyEvans, that is exactly what I've been thinking, couldn't have put it better myself! Especially about Dumbledore, man, I miss him already

'Dobby has not slept for 4 whole days!'

*laughs*

In book five, Harry spends a lot of time with the DA and it makes up quite a bit of the plot (that's why DD disappears). Then, in book six, the only people to come help from the DA are Hermione, Ron, Ginny, Neville, and Luna. Does anyone think that the DA will reform somehow, even right under Harry's nose?

And I think that somehow Luna and definately Neville will be important in book seven. What do you think?

I agree, Luna and Nevil must be important in book 7 to have played such a big role. I thought that the reason that only Nevil and Luna showed up were because they were the only ones who still cared about the D.A.. On the train they both expressed a interest that no other characters expressed. It was also mentioned that they were the only members who still probably checked their coins.
I think that the DA reforming is unlikley, considering that Harry will supposidly not be attending Hogwarts. So many students are not likley to form a group on their own w/o a strong leader.
It's too bad this is so unlikley, though. The D.A. was fun to read about and ponder while it lasted.

I have to agree. I'd love to read more about the DA, but now that the Ministry has finally admitted to lying about Harry and DD, I figured that people would most want to reform the group, especially that now their Headmaster was killed on the orders of Voldy.

It'd be a lot smarter to reform to learn more curses, hexes, and counter-curses to at least have a chance of defending themselves against Death Eaters and most unlikely, even Voldy himself. But I personally believe that Harry is gonna go back to Hogwarts. I mean, come on! Why on earth would Hermione miss her NEWTS? Plus...I think that Harry can somehow contact DD at Hogwarts, using a portrait or something.

Anyways, so yeah.

I believe that the DA will be important they might fight off the death eaters while Harry fights LV. They might be able to help build an army to fight of lv's side.

i was wondering whether anyone else here wondered what happened to the body of the Death Eater whom supposedly died during the battle at the end of HBP. There is no explanation on what happened with his body or whether or not he was buried or taken away with the fleeing death eaters. so does anyone have any theories on what happened to him?

well the death eaters dont seem like very honerable towards each other so if that death eater did die i dont think the others would have taken him, if his body was still there i assume that the ministry came and took it.

I never really thought about it. On things like that my mind just assumes that a teacher took it or mabey the body just got destroyed. Mabey the DE know a spell that makes a body vanish. Or they just used the vanishing spell that Snape used on Harry's potion in book 5.

As Gibbon was a Death Eater I think the Ministry probably took his body to learn if he had anything on his person that could give the MoM a lead on the Dark Order's next move is. Or better yet what type of Dark Arts Gibbon was instructed to perform prior to the mission with Draco. I agree the Death Eaters are less likely to have taken the corpse because they're not honorable towards death; they see death as a means to terrify people for the cause.

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Why isn't Bellatrix part of the assault on Hogwarts? It seems odd to me that LV would keep her back when her nephew was involved. Is he punishing her for her failure at the Ministry? Or perhaps he didn't want to risk her in a potentially dangerous mission?

Perhaps Voldemort thought that the mission was beneath her talents, I mean the mission was pretty much covered with deatheaters, Fenrir, Draco and Snape. Could it be that she would have been with Narcissa at the time to make sure she didn't try to interfere with Draco's task.

Maybe he is punishing her because of her failure in OOTP. I'm sure she will pop up in the final book and I hope she gets what she deserves, hopefully from Neville.

I searched too chrth and if there is something on Bellatrix in the HBP section I could not find it. One of the odd things. After all this time I thought someone would be curious what Bellatrix has been doing during HBP.

Look at the Deatheaters present at the end of HBP. None other than Snape were of any importance. Greyback is a werewolf and I doubt Voldemort thinks much of him. I also do not believe Voldemort ever thought Draco would succeed. So Voldemort keeps a few low to mid level deatheaters on hand on the off chance Draco finds a way into Hogwarts. Their only job was to cause as much havoc as possible. An attack inside Hogwarts would terrify the Wizard commnunity regardless of the outcome.

I think Bellatrix has been off doing much more important biddings of her master. She has been either working on some major plans of Voldemort or has been controlling creatures like the Dementors for Voldemort.

I don't know greg,

wouldn't voldemort feel invading hogwarts, the one place he never held control, the one place he felt at home, would be a very important mission? Why waste the opportunity to do the one thing he was never able to do, penetrate Hogwart's defenses by surprise? Is he so arrogant that to think that, without dumbledore, he is invincible (to everyone except harry, at least)? Well, yes. Of course he is. But why waste this opportunity? Why not strengthen your forces, and invade hogwarts in mass? No one would expect such an attack. Hogwarts could be overtaken very easily (well, "easy" may not be true of defeating the teachers, but still). It seems to me that this is a mistake by Voldemort, a missed opportunity, and a sign of short-sightedness that might just bring about his downfall.

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I think she wasn't there for 2 reasons, and they both have been mentioned. 1) Bellatrix has to keep Narcissa away from Draco otherwise it would blow his cover. 2) Why would Voldemort send in one of his loyal Death Eater to help? Snape was already there, why have the possibility of losing two very important Death Eaters in one night?

Are we really sure, though, that the Death Eaters at the Ministry were the "A" Team and this is the "B" Team? I would've thought that with Greyback around this was a much tougher group of DEs. And considering the missions involved, the attack on Hogwarts seems much harder than grabbing a prophecy from a 15-year old.

I was wondering if Voldermort was leading the remaining Death Eatars to Azkaban to free the few remaining Death Eatars still inside. It would make sense for them to be released early into Book 7 - after all, we need to see Lucius Malfoy in the final book. It would be an easy explanation for their release if the Daily Prophet reported that Azkaban was broken into at the same time as the Hogwarts atttack.

Hrm, that's a good idea ... but I would think it would've been mentioned during/before the funeral if it had happened (especially since Scrimgeour was there). It would be funny, though, if they freed the prisoners of Azkaban during the funeral