What ideas or theories come to your head when you think about the mirror that Sirius had given to Harry in OotP? Do you think it'll hold some significance in Book 6 or 7?

I think it will definately come up again. Maybe.... (this is a big MAYBE) it is a small, miniature version of the mirror of irised. (i know, i know, that spelling is way way wrong, but i don't have the book with me to reference so just deal with it. you know what i'm talking about.) because, the mirror shows what you desire most right? so if what harry desires most is to talk to sirius then maybe the mirror would show him. after all, it did show his dead parents. but would he be able to talk to him???? this, i do not know. just a thought!

Claire
Erised is desire spelt backwards, so you shouldn't have any further probs spelling it - just to be really pedantic.
I think that JK says on her website that the mirror is significant. But didn't Harry break it when he threw it into his trunk? So maybe there was something behind the mirror, in the frame. I don't know, I don't really have any idea what it could be, if he can't still contact Sirius with it. The only thing I can think of is that Sirius said that he and James used to use them to talk to each other, so maybe Harry gets to speak to James , or whoever now holds the other mirror?

The Mirror Sirius gave to Harry shattered when Harry threw it back into his trunk while angry. It might have further significance, I wouldn't know. We'll just have to wait and find out.

first of all....do any of you think he could still be alive? cuz I do....

and I think thats why the mirror will be important in the upcoming books...Sirius is going to help Harry defeat voldemort by using the mirror to communicate. :oops: just my two cents!

Well, Yes I do believe that Sirius is really and truly dead. At least phisically. I mean, the ones we love never TRULY leave us do they?

(A little sidenote, couldn't the mirror be repaired with the Reparo charm?)[/i]

Well, JKR said on her official site that the mirror will have a role in the future books. So, yes, I believe it will be significant in books 6/7. I have no ideas about what it'll be used for though..

I don't think it'll be used to communicate to Sirius though, it seems too obvious for that to be what happens...Maybe Sirius didn't have the mirror on him when he left because he was probably panicked about Harry. Maybe the mirror will be used for Harry to communicate to his friends and such, who are probably in the most danger right now...Replicas of the mirror could be made or bought

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Well, Yes I do believe that Sirius is really and truly dead. At least phisically. I mean, the ones we love never TRULY leave us do they? (A little sidenote, couldn't the mirror be repaired with the Reparo charm?)

Could it be repaired? Someone plz help! That would be interesting if it could be though [most likely], I'm still pretty blanked out as to what its uses are though. Grr. >_<

Yeah, couldn't he just 'Reparo!" it?

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ok I dont know if this could actually happen but i belive that Sirius is dead. Lets just say you could talk to Sirius becuase he still had the mirror after death. Would that mean he could talk to James and Lily too? That would be way awesome but i doubt it.

Yea, it would be TOTALLY AWESOME..but I highly doubt he will be able to talk to his parents. Now Sirius, I'm not so sure about. I'm still debating with myself whether to believe if he is truly dead or not. About the mirror, JK said it would play a significant role in books 6 & 7..so I'm guessing [my best guess] that it would provide some sort of contact between Harry and ..who knows?

That mirror frustrates me!
If Harry had opened it sooner Sirius would still be alive.... I really wished he hadn't died! And it makes my stomach turn knowing that Sirius was just upstairs when Harry went to check!

i think that it may mend itself again.....but whether it would be useful.....who knows.

I really don't think that Harry will use it to talk with Sirius, i mean he's dead... but if jk said it will be significant, it will be SIGNIFICANT.

I think the mirror will be VERY IMPORTANT in future books. I think he may be able to talk to Sirius. For some reason i don't think sirius is dead..maybe just trapped behind the veil. i don't think that she would kill an important character in that mysterious way. I think the veil will be very important in future books also/

I hate that stupid veil!!! I just want to know if Sirius if alive or not!

I know the veil frustrates many of us, especially those with little or no patience [haha], but I think JK has a reason to bring up something like the veil..who knows where it leads to..?! The veil, along with the mirror, may just be something we all didn't expect, something that will shock us tremendously, keep us in suspense..you get the point right? Well, I guess the only thing to do is to wait for the book #6 to be published..and this is where all of you sigh with me.. *sighs*.

maybe sirius wouldn't have died like you know it was just he went somewhere after he went into the veil..............donot believe me it is absurd

do you think that harry will be able to contact people that died with the mirror?

I don't think so. Didn't he already try that, to find out it didn't work?

oh yeh... sry forgot about that.

lol, whew I thought maybe I'd just imagined parts up...

lol!
And (sigh) to tashluvsdan!
I had my hopes up when Harry thought of trying that mirror! Then when it didn't work I was really dissapointed! Same when Harry was talking to Nearly Headless Nick.

Harry, he was too narrow-minded to think it would be useful is all.

I don't think he was narrow minded, XD, I think it was the same sort of thing that happened to Lily. Harry was in a panic, and not thinking straight or logically. He didn't think about the other possibilities and when Kreacher told Harry, Sirius was gone, well, that just made things worse

(At least I get to be narrow-minded with Harry!XD)

The mirror gets me mad. lol, I mean the one time Harry tries to do something he thinks is the right thing, like vowing to never use the gift when Sirius first gave it to him, it blows up in his face. And then he broke it! And the key had melted too, and all I kept thinking was that Harry was breaking all of Sirius's gifts. lol, well not the firebolt. But still, that mirror has to have some meaning even if it is broken. I just got so angry that the mirror was even mentioned in the first place if it wasn't going to be any use but to make Harry feel more pain then he was already feeling.

**** MIRROR AND **** VEIL!!!!
GRRRRRRRR!!!!!!
I miss Sirius!

I definately think that this mirror is signifigant. I know this, because JK Rowling said so on her site (I am a frequent visitor). The mirror will DEFINATELY come up again.


This is my theory (Though nothing of the sort will happen).
--Remember Harry breaking his mirror? He can fix it (Reparo!!) then he can find Sirius's other side of the mirror and slide it underneath the veil in the DoM (Department of Mysteries) Then Harry and Sirius can talk again!

Lmao! I just now wrote that myself. That's something you'd find on a fake rumor site. But it was fun thinking about it ^.~

Oh yeah, that's a good theory!
I will agree with anything if it means we will somehow have contact with Sirius!!!

Thought of this last night when I was watiching CoS and saw Dumbledor's office with all of the old headmasters' portraits on the wall, with whom Dumbledor consults on important matters - as we who read the books know. Anyway, wouldn't it make sense for there to be a portrait of Sirius on a wall at number 12 Gimmauld Place with which Harry could consult now that Sirius is dead? It would be a sort of dismal fate for Sirius, with only his family members on the wall for company and his dreadful mother nagging him and yelling at him for eternity; however, being located at the headquarters of the Order of the Phoenix would allow him to participate at meetings and see Harry from time to time too! Maybe they'd let Harry take the painting with him to Hogwarts if the Order doesn't need him. How cool would that be? Imagine, Sirius going around scaring all the students and the other paintings' occupants on the way up to visit Dumbledor in his office!! Sorry, this is sort of a new topic, although it's related to the subject of the mirror, which I agree could be Reparo-ed easily by Hermione, who seems to fix everything that Harry breaks.

Well, I think the portrits are sort of like the ghosts. Its just a reminder of their former selves. I dont know though, Jk needs to explain how one becomes a portrit or a ghost. But I do like that theory cause I want Sirius to be alive.

I agree with you that it would be neat for Sirius to be alive in the form of a portrait but I don't think that he is. He was an outcast from his family and any picture they'd had of him would've been disposed of

Yeah, that could be. Or it could be covered with a cloth or hidden under dust and junk in an attic corner, hoarded away by Kreacher for some reason ...who knows?? Did we ever find out for sure who the original occupant was in the empty portrait that was in Harry and Ron's room at Number 12 Grimmauld Place? I suppose it wouldn't make much sense for that to be Sirius, since the "someone lurking out of signt" in the painting "sniggered" when Harry was getting mad at Hermione and Ron (p.64). Probably it would make more sense for that to be Bellatrix. But I think it's possible that Sirius could occupy one of the hallway portraits, and it was just too "age-blackened" for Harry to notice (p. 60). Who knows...just an idea...

It was Sirius's great-grandfather in that blank portrait in Harry and Ron's room.

What is the mirror for?? **not knowing anything much about book 5

It was something that James and Sirius used to use when they were at Hogwarts so that they could keep in touch if they were in different detentions. Sirius gave it to Harry and told him to use it if Snape gave him any trouble during the Occlumancy lessons.

On that subject though, I think it was a bit daft on Sirius' part that he didn't remember the mirror and tell Harry about it rather than encourage him to keep using the fires which were being watched. I know that harry said he'd never use it to risk placing Sirius in danger, but wasn't he already doing that by talking to him through the fires? Also, I think the Murtlap essence that Hermione gave him was kind of a foreshadowing thing about the mirror - he broke the bowl because he lost his temper, and he could repair it, but there wasn't anything he could do about the Murtlap essence. It was gone, that's that. Yeah, he could repair the mirror, but would it be the same?

Personally, I really hope that he can repair it because I was totally gutted when Sirius died, but I just get the feeling that JKR is going down a slightly different road with the whole mirror, Sirius dying and the veil thing.

no i dun think will because he broke it remeber he hurled the mirror back into the trunk where it shattered. a shattered mirror isnt very good and you use a shattered mirror o and if u want to read it yourself pg.858 in the american book near bottom of the page

I really like your theory Dana_Scully about the foreshadowing thing with the murtlap essence and the whole mirror thing! Never thought of that before and I don't think anyone else did either.

**blushes** Thanks!! It only really occured to me when I was listening to the audio version in my car the other day. I missed it when I read the book.

Still, I'm beginning to think that maybe it is possible for him to fix it because JKR said it would be important in the next book. A broken mirror isn't going to be of much importance to anyone really, is it?

I mean, poor Harry's had quite a run of bad luck as it is! Another seven years!! That poor little guy!!

Maybe someone should tell him that if he buries a piece of it in the garden when the moon is full, he can get rid of the bad luck quick before his life gets worse!!

LOL..I know Harry's like the unluckiest fellow that ever lived! Well, in books that is..I don't have the audio tapes, but I'm considering investing in them. They've helped you produce a brilliant theory, it just might work for me! Where'd you get yours? I saw some cheap ones on Ebay..maybe I'll go there.

Ooh...sorry, tash!! Didn't mean to ignore you!! My browser plays up from time to time and doesn't always give me the new posts and sometimes I miss some, like I just did!!

Anyway, several days later.....

I got all my audio CD's either through Amazon's Z-Shops or ebay, 'cos they're way too expensive to buy brand new and I think JKR and Warner's have quite enough of my hard earned money as it is!! They make a change from music sometimes, especially if I'm in the car on my own coming home from uni on a particularly nasty, dark, miserable old night. They're great company, actually....

Plus, of course, they highlight bits that you sometimes miss when you're reading, and there's no better place to think about some theories than when you're driving. (Who needs to concentrate on the road anyway? ) Jim Dale does a great job on the American version, but I have to say that I think I prefer Steven Fry on the British ones.

Oh wow! Thats a really good idea! I'll probably get some now! lol

It's ok Dana!! No worries, thanks for the tips..

oh... I wish I had them.


Hey, just a thought but what about the picture of Sirius Harry has in his albulm? Do those talk?

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"Mmmm. Pie-pants"

No, unfortuntely not. I think they just kind of smile and wave a lot. The portraits seem to be the only ones who can talk and I doubt whether Sirius' mother would have kept any portraits of her wayward son. A great pity though.....

I agree with you about the veil being some kind of portal to death. I kind of like some of the other ideas which have been mentioned elsewhere on the forums about the veil being like a method of execution. The description of the room itself makes it sound as though it might have either been used as kind of a lecture theatre - perhaps to learn about the veil/death - or like an ampitheatre for observing executions. I suppose the wizarding world must have had some method of punishment before Azkaban and the dementors came along. I suppose, seeing as how it's in the DoM, they don't understand it, are studying it, and therefore it would seem more likely a lecture theatre type thing though.

About the mirror - in the book, Harry breaks his when because he thinks that Sirius can't possibly contact him through it because 1) he's dead and 2) he didn't have it on him when he fell through the veil.

BUT....

Sirius loved Harry, and he gave him that mirror so that Harry could contact him at ANY time if Snape was giving him hassle. I find it hard to believe that Sirius would have gone anywhere without it if it was a way for Harry to call on him if he needed him. Sirius didn't know that Harry had vowed never to use it, did he? Harry meant everything to him, and I know that if I were him, I wouldn't have gone anywhere without it. Maybe the mirror's magic (presuming it still works, which I really hope it does!) can transcend ALL barriers, even the ultimate one of death.

And, while I'm on my soapbox, ( ), I'm not sure that the curse that hit him didn't do SOME kind of damage. The way JKR described it, and I quote:-

'The laughter had not quite died from his face, but his eyes widened in shock.
[...........]
Harry saw the look of mingled fear and surprise on his godfather's wasted, once handsome face.......'

My questions about that are:-
Why do Sirius' eyes widen in shock? Was he shocked that Bella managed to hit him? Did he feel that he was losing his balance and thus feared falling through the veil? Does that mean he knew what it was? Why does the description of his reactions sound as though he'd just been shot - you know, first is the surprise, then the pain comes, then you think, 'oh s***, I've been shot'? Does that mean the curse hurt him? But it couldn't have been a cruciatus curse or he'd have been writhing around on the floor....

Why did he have a look of fear on his face as he fell? Was he afraid of dying? Did he know what the curse was? Or was he afraid of the veil, which brings me back to the question, did he know what it was?

Bellatrix let out a 'triumphant scream', which suggests that she knew what the veil was - Lupin seemed to know too.

Mmm....you'd think, if everyone knew what it was except the kids, you'd think that someone would have tried to warn them, wouldn't you? Anyway, my point, I suppose, is that no one really knows what that curse was that Bellatrix hit him with. If the veil is a portal that brings death to those who cross it, what happens if you're ALREADY dead when you cross it? If you can't come back from it, everyone would assume that you're as good as dead, but how can they possibly know for sure if they're still studying it?

Maybe Bellatrix sent him through that veil with something that will allow him, in some strange way, to maintain his links to this world, through the mirror, just like Harry keeps Voldemort around through that scar.

Yeah, I noticed that everyone knew but the kids what the veil was. At least the Order. Bellatrix may have been looking rather triumphant just for the fact that she hit him...

It's possible that no one told the kids because there simply wasn't enough time. Time seems to be a major issue throughout this series...well it kind of is in every book...but I mean, the whole issue with the time turner must have been brought up for a reason....

Maybe the archway is old and crumbling because of the strain that's put on it to hold the portal open...meh?

Maybe Sirius looked scared because he got hit, fell to the ground, and was afraid that she would send another more fatal spell at him while he was down.

Lupin and the rest of the adults had no time to explain to the kids what the veil was.

I don't think that Sirius was dead before he hit the veil. His face changes too much. Think about the faces of all the other people affected by the killing curse.

The Riddles were scared because some strange teenager walked into their house and pointed a pointy stick at them. Assuming he killed them one at a time, the first was frightened of his appearance. The other two were frightened because they knew what was coming.

Cedric's face was slightly surprised. It changed once. He looked at Harry, giving him a quizzical look. Harry's scar started to hurt so badly that he fell to the ground. He heard Cedric fall and saw blinding green light through his eyelids. He looked at Cedric's face and it was slightly surprised.

Sirius was laughing at Bella, surprised that Bella hit him, and scared of what she would do next. I'm not saying that he didn't know what the veil was. He did, but I doubt that he had relized he was falling into it.

Bella probably let out a scream of victory because A. she hit him, and B. he fell through the veil and his body dissapeared.

She did scream after he fell through right?

But this leads to another question- where is Sirius' body??