Am I alone in thinking that Nagini could be the same snake that Harry relased from the zoo in Book 1? I'm thinking that he will be the 7th Horcrux and will remember it was Harry who freed him.

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I was going to lock this topic because we already have a thread discussing horcrux possibilities here, but I'll leave it open on the condition that the only discussions that go on here concern the possibility that the snake Harry let out in PS/SS was Nagini (a very interesting idea and one that I haven't come across before, I have to admit...)

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That's interesting, but I personally doubt it. Since it said, "breed in captivity", or something alone those lines(I know that was what it said in the movie, not the books, but it was something like that), it couldn't of been Nagini. However, maybe Nagini snuck in there and replaced the other snake, maybe just to find a home. Then perhaps he heard of Voldemort through himself, since he is a horcrux, and he realized that he must join his master's current form, but he couldn't escape, so he was grateful when Harry let him out. I still don't think so, but that could be a way to explain it.

Hmmm...

I'm not sure why being bread in captivity should make any difference... we don't know WHEN Voldemort got Nagini....

All that we know for sure is that Voldy has Nagini after the period of time that Harry freed the snake from the zoo....

He could have gotten Nagini a week before he showed up at the Riddle house for all we know...

I'm not positive, but I think that it was mentioned somewhere that he had him for a long time. If anyone could find a passage to prove this, that would be helpful.

Isn't the snake at the zoo a python or boa constrictor? And isn't Nagini poisonous (when he bites Mr. Weasley) ?

Since Nagini didn't try to squeeze the life out of Mr. Weasley, I am highly doubtful of this theory.

In the first place, Nagini is a she..

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I have to agree with TheLaxPlayer, though seriously i can see JK doing this, it would be quite a shock!

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If i remember correct, Voldy found nagini when he was hiding out in the forest after he left quirrel. I dont see how Nagini could have managed to get out of the zoo let a lone out hundreds of miles to the forest. Though it would be some good irony if this is true

There's just a few things I've been pondering about Nagini...

Is it possible that Nagini is an animagus? It does seem that Nagini can communicate and interact with Voldemort on a more human level.

When exactly did Voldemort get Nagini? If Nagini is a horcrux, then most likely he got her before he fell...and if that's the case, where was Nagini kept the 11 years Voldemort wasn't in power? There's also the possibility that he got Nagini after he fell, and the question is how did he come to get her?

Could Nagini possibly be a spy for the good side? When Nagini attacked Mr.Weasly, she attacked him in a rather non-lethal place. She could have gone ahead and bit his neck and killed him...

What do you all think?

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I, for one, believe that nagini is the same exact Brazilian boaconstrictor that Harry accidentally frees in PS. They are the only two snakes ever mentioned in the series, I think, plus it'd make a super good twist.

Because then nagini and Peter Pettigre both have debts to Harry and something good has to happen.

Yes, I think Nagini could definitely be the same snake harry released. But, when Nagini kills the old man, does she constrict him? And does she constric Mr weasely?

well this is what i got from the book: that nagani is in fact, not a animagus. and i don't see why she would be. i mean there would be no reason to stay in their snake like form when in the Riddle House or in the presence of DE's. As well Voldy said that she had to take the venom from Nagani so i'm assuming a person doesn't just get venom when turning into a snake, even if it's their animagus form. regarding the second thing, dumbledore said that nagani was turmed into a horcrux after wormtail found him...specifically when he killed the muggle Frank. i'm assuming that he met/found nagani when he was posessing those animals (which were mostly snakes) when he was in hiding. and i can't really say why she didn't attack Mr. Weasly in the neck but maybe it's because she didn't think anyone would know that he had been attacked and so thought that the venom would have enough time to get into the blood flow and effect the whole body. as it was, harry was "there" and the venom was stopped. just a thought.

I really like Accio Xbox’s idea about Nagini actually being the boa constrictor Harry released. Voldemort’s Killing Curse murdered the innocent Muggle, Frank Bryce. I think its safe to assume Nagini probably ate him to make sure no one found his body. When Harry dreamed of flying on an eagle owl, he heard Voldemort say to Nagini she wasn’t going to eat Wormtail and there was still Harry Potter instead. Boa constrictors of her size can consume large mammals.

Nagini, who at the time was being possessed by Voldemort, bit Arthur Weasley. If Nagini is a boa constrictor, then her predatory instincts are to constrict followed by biting, right? But because Voldemort was controlling her, I think he decided to attack Arthur without strangling him. Usually constrictors aren’t venomous, but Nagini is. Her venom actually burned the Muggle bandages the trainee-Healer placed on Mr. Weasley. Wormtail milked the same venom as an ingredient to Voldemort’s “baby” state. So if Nagini is a boa constrictor, why is she venomous? And if she isn’t, then what type of snake is Nagini?

I was just looking for this thread to see if anyone else found this idea.

swankstalicious, it is my belief that you are 100% correct! Yes, indeed, and here is why I think so:

Remember when it said that Nagini's species was related to the Forests of Brazil? After Harry released her, it is my belief that somehow she got to Brazil and met Voldy there. I think it was in the second book where Dumbledore was talking to Malfoy and saying how he was at a loss to find out how the diary got to Ginny because his sources tell him Voldemort is currently hidding in the forests of Brazil! I think they met there, and that the way Harry will destory Nagani, if she is indeed a Horcrux, is that Nagani will sacrifice herself to Harry in recconpence to his act of letting her free.

I am so glad this was brought to the forum! I don't understand how there is any doubt in the matter whatsoever. I mean, Nagani had 1 entire year to get to Brazil to match Dumbledore's statement. The timing fits! She also provides a tie with Voldy and Harry, which has been crucial to Rowling.



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I agree with classicalravenclawwriter. The snake Harry set free was a species of Brazil, which is where Voldemort was. It is likely that that snake wanted to go back to its natural habitat and in one year, she found her way there. Voldemort was hiding in the forest and Naggini met him there.

Naggini was bred in captivity, so she was used to having humans tend to her needs and help her, so wouldn't it be natural for her to want to have a human look after her while she still had her freedom if she had the chance? I think this makes total sense.

I don't know if the entire 'human dependance" thing works. GREAT idea, though, Potter4President! I would have thought that she would like to be away from humans more. Either way, it is possible that she wasn't as afraid being with Voldy because she had encountered humans before?????



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I think the thing about being with humans is partially a matter of opinion. Usually animals bred in captivity don't know how to take care of themselves in the wild. I think that Naggini would like to be able to have her freedom but be taken care of by a human, especially one who can talk to her.
You could also say, however, that she would want to get away from humans, having lived with them for a long time.
But either way, I think the idea of being with Voldemort and being able to talk to him would appeal to her.

The snake that Harry released from the Zoo was small, whereas Nagini is a much larger snake. Also, if they were indeed the same snake, JKR would have made sure they looked the same in the films, which they clearly are not. Plus, the snake was bred in captivity and would not be able to reach brazil anyway. How would it know the way? The Atlantic Ocean was in betwen them, plus England is in the North and Brazil the South... are these not factors? The other thing is that Voldemort was not in Brazil, he was in the Albanian Forest.

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I don't think Nagani was the snake that Harry set free.
Because, like you say Albus Dumbledore that don't look like each other. And we don't know how long, Nagani has been with Voldermort.. Do we??

That snake i believe was a general snake, designed for the purpose of Harry first speaking parsletounge.

I am not positive that JKR would definitely make them look the same in the movies, especially because this might just be a small coincidence put in the books for the entertainment of careful readers. It might not play a big role at all so there would be no reason to make them the same in the movies. The movies aren't JKR's direct work, so we cannot really base much off of them at all unless she has specifically said something about it.

I don't have my SS/PS book with me at the moment but wasn't Quirrel in Brazil before he came back to Hogwarts? Isn't that where he met Voldemort? Classicalravenclawwriter, can you point us to where that was in the book?

As for the ocean, that is a good point, but I don't think that it would be that hard for Naggini to slither onto a boat or ship and coil up in a small area where no one would notice he; however, this, in my opinion, is still the biggest challenge of this theory.

The snake in the zoo was a boa constructer (sp?) and Nagini is ... well, i actualy don't know what Nagini is (I'm not really a snake fantic, i fact i'm scared of them) so it's possible i guess.

But i think the "Breed in captivity" can leave us to assume that it's not the same one, as nagini has been with Voldemort since ... ok, that's another interesting question-where on earth did Voldemort get Nagini?

Besides, didn't the boa constructer go to brazil after Harry freed it? And it thanked Harry-if it was Voldemort's pet, he'd hardily be thinking him-he'd be ripping his head off.