Will dumbledor return
Well there is alot to go on and i have a couple
Well as we all know DD has a profound love for Harry (or had a profound Love) but i think its not over
If we go back to all the previous books we will see that through harry's wonderful achievments over Voldermort and at school he was never one who did amazing and extreame spells or charms
He always used simple ones but it got the job done even here we see when trying to fight in the end he uses the ones he knows which i must say is not all that powerfull to stand up to The Dark Lord
In Ootp we see the kind of spells between DD and V in the end such powerful spells that incapulated all our minds and if VOldermort has such power i doubt that harry will win using his known spells
Now the only one Voldermort feard was DD and for the reason that he always knew that DD was more powerful than him and could conjor anything (like traping V in the Water At the end Of OoTP)
so i think that the only person who can help harry out in actually having to distro Voldermort is Dumbledor for he is/was the most powerful wizard
I know im hoping against hope that Dumbledor will come back in some form and that he is still going to be there for Harry
Full Version: Will Dumbledore Return? If So How?
Who knows...
Maybe as a ghost?
Maybe as a ghost?
I think Dumbledore is way to important of a character to be killed off. From what we gathered, destroying a horcrux is extremely hard to do and usually has consequences. I think that when they were on the tower in book six Dumbledore somehow told snape to kill him but he really didn't. I bet it's all just a plot to make snape seem closer to Voldermort even though he is really on Dumbledores side....Oh well just my two cents.
Well i dont know i have this sense of loathing for snape right now so we will have to see what game he was playing and weather or not it was all planned 
I don't believe that Dumbledore is going to come back, sinply beacuse it was such an important thing to happen, beacuse it allows Harry to break free of the establishment of Hogwarts and go on his own adventure.
Also, because of a tiny little thin that I didn't notice the first time round: "And a new potrtait has joined the ranks of the dead headmastersand headmistresses of Hogwarts... Dumbledore was slumbering in a golden frame over the desk, his half-moon spectakles perched upom his crooked nose, looking peaceful and untroubled". This surely suggests that when a headmaster or headmestress of Hogwarts dies, their portrait is automatically added to the wall. Which suggests that he is actually gone.
Also, because of a tiny little thin that I didn't notice the first time round: "And a new potrtait has joined the ranks of the dead headmastersand headmistresses of Hogwarts... Dumbledore was slumbering in a golden frame over the desk, his half-moon spectakles perched upom his crooked nose, looking peaceful and untroubled". This surely suggests that when a headmaster or headmestress of Hogwarts dies, their portrait is automatically added to the wall. Which suggests that he is actually gone.
Nope, I can't see him returning, however I can see Fawkes helping Harry out...
OK lets think about this gang.
The locket was at the bottom of a potion that could not be touched, no spell, no magic could penatrate it. It had to be drunk.
Who was the best potion maker? who was the half blood prince?
Here is what I think will happen.
Old voldermort will find out who gave Harry the cules about the Horcrux.
He will knok off Slugworth. And with thinking that Dumble's dead.
Voldermort to be over confident.
Harry will have to take his spell work a bit more seriously. (As Snape showed him
with brushing off his spells)
Dumbledor will be free to go and destroy as many Horcruxes as possible while being underground.
and being fed information where they are by Snape.
Everyone hates Snape, he killed Dumbledor. We learned that Voldermort doesn't
care about anybody, that's why Snape go so P.Oed at Harry for calling him a coward.
Somehow Harry's going to get some secret lessions. Maybe the next Dark Arts teacher
will be a transfigured Dumbledor?
Anyway, Dumbledor has told everyone that he has the utmost confidance in Snape.
Well maybe I am telling myself this because I am really bummed that
"dumbles didn't bounce".
The locket was at the bottom of a potion that could not be touched, no spell, no magic could penatrate it. It had to be drunk.
Who was the best potion maker? who was the half blood prince?
Here is what I think will happen.
Old voldermort will find out who gave Harry the cules about the Horcrux.
He will knok off Slugworth. And with thinking that Dumble's dead.
Voldermort to be over confident.
Harry will have to take his spell work a bit more seriously. (As Snape showed him
with brushing off his spells)
Dumbledor will be free to go and destroy as many Horcruxes as possible while being underground.
and being fed information where they are by Snape.
Everyone hates Snape, he killed Dumbledor. We learned that Voldermort doesn't
care about anybody, that's why Snape go so P.Oed at Harry for calling him a coward.
Somehow Harry's going to get some secret lessions. Maybe the next Dark Arts teacher
will be a transfigured Dumbledor?
Anyway, Dumbledor has told everyone that he has the utmost confidance in Snape.
Well maybe I am telling myself this because I am really bummed that
"dumbles didn't bounce".
well, 'the wizard returns' story worked in lord of the rings! you never know. and as i need to make this more than one line apparently i am just adding a load of rubbish at the bottom so it is within the rules, sorry, i am very bad at reading rules.
I must try harder to obey the rules
i'll try and be good from now on
I must try harder to obey the rules
i'll try and be good from now on
Dumbledore will not come back. They do not need him. Maybe Harry isn't as great of a wizard as him but I said "THEY" don't need him not 'Harry doesnt need him.' Think about it, Harry has the bravery of Dumbledore, Hermione has the witts of Dumbledore, and Ron has the sense of humor of Dumbledore(not sure what good that will serve though). The three of them make up Dumbledore's finest characteristics, and these are the characteristics to destroy Voldemort.
Maybe you're right, UnregisteredAnimagus.. But, as Dumbledore said, it didn't matter if he died (while drinking the potion), because Harry was the one who was going to face off Voldemort...and Dumbledore couldn't stay in the way of that. So, as much as I want him to, he's dead..and if he was to come back as a ghost, it would've already happened.
well some of my friends wree saying sirius would return as like a ghost or something?? maybe sirius' soul will return bc he died in the VIEL. the viel has a signifigance none of us know about. except jk. ha.
We know for a fact that DD was the only wizard Voldemort were afraid of, that must mean that DD must have been (or still are) just as powerful or more than voldemort. We also know that Voldemort have been "killed" several times, and he is still around, so if DD is really dead and not coming back it really sucks beeing good.
But, just to break a hole in my theory here, DD wasn't nescesserily as powerful as Voldemort, he was just more wise.
But, just to break a hole in my theory here, DD wasn't nescesserily as powerful as Voldemort, he was just more wise.
Sorry everybody but Dumbledore is gone for good. He set up his death because he knows it's Harry's turn to take over. Harry has the power to beat Voldemort (actually pronounced with a silent t..crazy right) already, Dumbledore has said this many times. DD is not needed anymore, man i hate to say that.
I got it... I got it... it is a cleaver scheme where DD befuddles us all ! Snape is an acomplice... The guy in the picture on the wall, "Dumbledore" is Dumbledore, just not Albus!!! 
Snape being a creater of spells, didn't have his heart in it to kill DD so he get this now.... Made up a spell and the oral part was the death spell while the non oral part was making it look like it or soemthing...
If voldy thinks DD is dead then he will bide his time and pick at harrys sanity, hopeing to pull him in and then torture him.
Also on a related note, Albus and his brother are really Fred and George.
Now, most of this isn't probable, but it should be minorly entertaining to read if I wrote it in english (I'm a no good english writer).
Snape being a creater of spells, didn't have his heart in it to kill DD so he get this now.... Made up a spell and the oral part was the death spell while the non oral part was making it look like it or soemthing...
If voldy thinks DD is dead then he will bide his time and pick at harrys sanity, hopeing to pull him in and then torture him.
Also on a related note, Albus and his brother are really Fred and George.
Now, most of this isn't probable, but it should be minorly entertaining to read if I wrote it in english (I'm a no good english writer).
No offence but I didnt understand a word you just said. O and by the way I still believe Snape is spying for the Order. He did not turn bad.
meh!! hes dead and it sucks,but there is still the pic in the heads office surley it can be used to aid harrys plight,maybe 
Dumbledore is gone as we know him.
I agree that his portrait will help.
Hmm. It is highly unlikely that DD used fawlkes as a horcrux. As Slughorn explained to Riddle (via Harry and DD's trip to Sluggy's memory), creating a horcrux involved ripping your soul apart.. and that this could only be achived through an evil act such as murder. I cannot imagine Dumbledore killing somebody else just so he could continue living. He didn't even try to kill Voldy during their face-off in Ootp. I am quite looking forward though, to what Dumbledore's portrait role going to be in book 7.
| QUOTE (zainsa @ Jul 19 2005, 06:15 AM) |
| Will dumbledore return ? |
I think Dumbledore is really, truly gone. Jerry has a good point about the painting on the wall in the headmaster's office verifying his death. I had hoped JKR might bring Sirius back this book, but it seems obvious now fairytale endings are not her style. She gave us a hint about Dumbledore, though, in Book 5(?) he was appearing tired or looking old and I began to think he wouldn't be around forever.
As I started the book, I was convinced Snape was the Half Blood Prince, but the optimist in me believed he would finally be revealed as good. After reading his Unbreakable Vow, I thought until the very end he would sacrifice himself rather than perform the task. To me now it seems crystal clear in the end Snape is bad. I totally understand wanting to hang on to the hope that he will be yet found with virtue, but I don’t see how it is possible for him to kill Dumbledore AND be good. 'Put a stopper in death' notwithstanding...
I, too, thought of Regulus Black as RAB, it seems to fit in well with the various hints she’s dropped. If Harry is not coming back to Hogwarts for his final year, Book 7 could take place in Grimmauld Place. Although Harry doesn’t want to be there he might have to hide whenever possible now that he has Dumbledore’s protection no more.
Question--Since Dumbledore is gone, who is now the Secret Keeper for the Order? I think headquarters will be revealed to Voldemort either because of the lack of Secret Keeper, or because Kreacher rebels and alerts Narcissa or Bellatrix. Book 7 will be intense!
I need to read it over to better appreciate the subtle nuances, but it put me in such a funk the first time round I haven't picked it up again.
Dumbledore's dead and gone. He won't come back as a gohst, he will have gone on (Nick explained this in the end if OoTP).
It wouldn't fit if he came back to help Harry as a gohst.
And as much as we want him back, we know he's a great wizard but he can't kill Voldemort, he would only stand in the way of Harry. Of coures he would've been great help with finding and destroying the Horcruxes but Harry will manage that on his own, with Ron and Hermion at his side.
And as mentioned before me, if he had returned as a gohst it would have happend long ago.
It wouldn't fit if he came back to help Harry as a gohst.
And as much as we want him back, we know he's a great wizard but he can't kill Voldemort, he would only stand in the way of Harry. Of coures he would've been great help with finding and destroying the Horcruxes but Harry will manage that on his own, with Ron and Hermion at his side.
And as mentioned before me, if he had returned as a gohst it would have happend long ago.
| QUOTE (misterbeaver55 @ Jul 19 2005, 12:39 PM) |
| well some of my friends wree saying sirius would return as like a ghost or something?? maybe sirius' soul will return bc he died in the VIEL. the viel has a signifigance none of us know about. except jk. ha. |
I don't think Sirius OR Dd will return as ghost- Nearly Headless Nick indicated the Sirius wasn't a ghost and I think Dd can be just as usefull as a portrait than as a ghost, so why go for a double?
Sirius died, and DD died, I really do not believe that they are going to come back. DD's death was a big one, an emotional one that touched so many people, so it kind of defeats that purpose to bring him back.
The entire time I was reading the scene where Snape kills Dumbledore, I was hoping that Snape really didn't kill him. As they showed with Harry, people can't use unforgivable curses if they really don't mean it. So either Snape really meant it and Dumbledore's gone for good, or he somehow avoided killing Dumbledore. But as I kept reading, with the funeral and everything, it seems as though he's really gone. But I just don't want to believe that - I loathe Snape but I always hoped he would be on the good side, even though he's so evil to Harry. In the next book, maybe Dumbledore will still be able to advise Harry through the portrait in his office...I'm not exactly sure, but the other portraits have talked and given advice in the past, right? I hope Dumbledore's not really gone, but I think he really is. Sirius was an awesome character, and I wish he could have been around longer - I was so hopeful he'd come back in the 6th book! And the veil - I wish we'd learned mroe about that! I just can't stand when there are secrets and mysteries and thinks that keep me waiting! 
I have a theory, and it makes a connection between something learned in the first book, something learned in the 6th book, and what happened to Dumbledore. Could it be possible that Dumbledore himself had a horcrux? Think about it. Dumbledore is particularly famous for his defeat of the dark wizard Grindelwald (Learned from first book, on DD's chocolate frog card). We learn that a horcrux can only be made after a significant death (Grindelwalds). Dumbledore "dies" in the end of the book.
Now I know what you're thinking at this point:
"BUT DUMBLEDORE ONLY BELIEVED IN MAGIC FOR GOOD! WHY WOULD HE MAKE A HORCRUX WHICH IS DARK MAGIC?"
Dumbledore showed us in the HBP that it was wise to have an understanding of the enemy. It never says anywhere that Dumbledore didn't know the dark arts, or would never use them. Perhaps he made the Horcrux right after he killed Grindelwald. Yes he killed him, because defeating is how good guys kill the bad ones. And perhaps, his Horcrux is Gryffindors sword. Isn't it odd how it's always being brought up in the story? Or that Dumbledore tells Harry that the sword is safe, after Harry asks if it could be Voldemorts horcrux?
Another theory if Dumbledore really IS dead:
Phinneas Nigellus can go throughout his portraits right? Would Dumbledore be able to go through his? And by his, I mean his Chocolate frog cards.
Now I know what you're thinking at this point:
"BUT DUMBLEDORE ONLY BELIEVED IN MAGIC FOR GOOD! WHY WOULD HE MAKE A HORCRUX WHICH IS DARK MAGIC?"
Dumbledore showed us in the HBP that it was wise to have an understanding of the enemy. It never says anywhere that Dumbledore didn't know the dark arts, or would never use them. Perhaps he made the Horcrux right after he killed Grindelwald. Yes he killed him, because defeating is how good guys kill the bad ones. And perhaps, his Horcrux is Gryffindors sword. Isn't it odd how it's always being brought up in the story? Or that Dumbledore tells Harry that the sword is safe, after Harry asks if it could be Voldemorts horcrux?
Another theory if Dumbledore really IS dead:
Phinneas Nigellus can go throughout his portraits right? Would Dumbledore be able to go through his? And by his, I mean his Chocolate frog cards.
I had forgotten about the portrait, of course Dumbledore can give harry advice from there. Obviously it wouldn't be the same as diving into a pensieve with him, but it could work. As for Dumbledore having a Horcrux, I doubt it. It's not JKR's style. He's gone, but at least he has a portrait unlike Sirius. Back to Snape killing him, I suppose that if you have performed enough unforgivable curses you can do them without meaning to, if not then snape really meant it, but only on Dumbledore's orders (I don't want to listen to that nagging feeling in my head that Snape is on Voldemort's side)
i agree on your opinions guys..
i want dumbledore to be alive...
but he's dead and harry saw how snape killed him...
if snape made a nonverbal spell before he speak up the aveda kadevra spell maybe DD will come back... oh a lot of questions in my mind... lots of opinions... i just hope JK Rowling answers all the things left hanging in book 5 and 6....
i want dumbledore to be alive...
but he's dead and harry saw how snape killed him...
if snape made a nonverbal spell before he speak up the aveda kadevra spell maybe DD will come back... oh a lot of questions in my mind... lots of opinions... i just hope JK Rowling answers all the things left hanging in book 5 and 6....
I also thought he might have done that, but after being found dead and put in a casket I pretty much figured he'd be left dead
kk this just came to me, and its really really crazy...
MERLIN!!!!!!
if portraits can provide advice, why cudnt DD have the say "only" portriat of MERLIN! he with out a doubt is/was the most powerful wizard of his time /of all time, and wud be able to teach harry using a portrait how to kill Voldemort.
tht is crazy i know, but we have herd alot about order of merlin 1st class ect..so it wudnt be COMPLETELY out of the blue, crazy i know....
MERLIN!!!!!!
if portraits can provide advice, why cudnt DD have the say "only" portriat of MERLIN! he with out a doubt is/was the most powerful wizard of his time /of all time, and wud be able to teach harry using a portrait how to kill Voldemort.
tht is crazy i know, but we have herd alot about order of merlin 1st class ect..so it wudnt be COMPLETELY out of the blue, crazy i know....
I would also like to see DD alive, but I think he'll have to help through the portraits. GREAT catch about the Chocolate Frog cards... portable DD help!
Also interesting is the comment that he could have created a horcrux. Unfortunately, he didn't know about them until Slughorn's memory, so he could not have made one using the defeat of Grindlewald.
The BEST thought toward DD's being alive was the one where Snape would REALLY have to mean it to use the avada kadavra curse. I think he had plans with Snape like he did with Harry about what to do in emergencies. He had to make Harry agree to do what he told him to whether it hurt him or not. I think he made Snape promise the same, even if it resulted in his death. DD begged Snape... but I think he was begging Snape to follow their plan and to "kill" him (whether real or not).
Also, it looks to me that DD knew that he would die soon. Why else would he make the Dursley's promise to let Harry stay next year, and give Harry all of he information he knew about Voldemort and the horcruxes?
Also interesting is the comment that he could have created a horcrux. Unfortunately, he didn't know about them until Slughorn's memory, so he could not have made one using the defeat of Grindlewald.
The BEST thought toward DD's being alive was the one where Snape would REALLY have to mean it to use the avada kadavra curse. I think he had plans with Snape like he did with Harry about what to do in emergencies. He had to make Harry agree to do what he told him to whether it hurt him or not. I think he made Snape promise the same, even if it resulted in his death. DD begged Snape... but I think he was begging Snape to follow their plan and to "kill" him (whether real or not).
Also, it looks to me that DD knew that he would die soon. Why else would he make the Dursley's promise to let Harry stay next year, and give Harry all of he information he knew about Voldemort and the horcruxes?
Dumbledore knew about Horcrux's before Slughorns memory. In the memory, Slughorn warns Riddle not to let Dumbledore hearing about them, or something along the lines of that. (Don't have my copy on hand)
Also, has anyone thought of this next thought? It's a little bit off topic, but it has to do with an interesting side plot. Harry goes to Grimmauld place, only to find mundungus has taken the locket. Then he goes to Azkaban to find out where he sent it. But, before he leaves, they decide to bust stan shunpike out of jail.
To get back on topic, could DD hace communicated with Snape via occlumency? This could be why he thought divination wasn't really worth teaching at Hogwarts, because he can convey his message through the images in his head? In that case, when Snape busted in, could DD have shown him where Harry was, in the hopes of Snape un-petrifying Harry, to make it sem as if DD really was dead? But we won't know if this is even possible, due to the fact we don't know if Dumbledore's security spells on Hogwarts were broken with his death.
I realize this is all just false hope, but at least it could show some insight into how some of the more complex magic that we never really got to understand, but was always being referred to.
Also, has anyone thought of this next thought? It's a little bit off topic, but it has to do with an interesting side plot. Harry goes to Grimmauld place, only to find mundungus has taken the locket. Then he goes to Azkaban to find out where he sent it. But, before he leaves, they decide to bust stan shunpike out of jail.
To get back on topic, could DD hace communicated with Snape via occlumency? This could be why he thought divination wasn't really worth teaching at Hogwarts, because he can convey his message through the images in his head? In that case, when Snape busted in, could DD have shown him where Harry was, in the hopes of Snape un-petrifying Harry, to make it sem as if DD really was dead? But we won't know if this is even possible, due to the fact we don't know if Dumbledore's security spells on Hogwarts were broken with his death.
I realize this is all just false hope, but at least it could show some insight into how some of the more complex magic that we never really got to understand, but was always being referred to.
i think some of you are missing one itsy bitsy little fact...
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ALBUS DUMBLEDORE!!!
DD is one of the greatest wizards ever! Do you really believe that a wizard so smart and sly, so genius and cautious did not make any attempt whatsoever to stop himself dieing a mortal death??
I beleive that DD has his own way of salvaging his soul without tearing it to pieces. I doubt that JKR put so many comments about how powerful, smart and great dumbledore is if she was going to die without him giving anything of a fight. He is one of the great sceintist of magic, i refuse to beleive that he had no plan for what would happen after he died.
I doubt that dumbledore will return to his own body. i believe he may live on through another person or thing. If not either of these, i bet he has planned ahead for himself so that he can accompany harry everywhere. after all,
"HE will only be gone from this school when none here are loyal to him"
this quote alone says how he will not simply be blasted off the earth by a treacherous a.s.s. like snape
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ALBUS DUMBLEDORE!!!
DD is one of the greatest wizards ever! Do you really believe that a wizard so smart and sly, so genius and cautious did not make any attempt whatsoever to stop himself dieing a mortal death??
I beleive that DD has his own way of salvaging his soul without tearing it to pieces. I doubt that JKR put so many comments about how powerful, smart and great dumbledore is if she was going to die without him giving anything of a fight. He is one of the great sceintist of magic, i refuse to beleive that he had no plan for what would happen after he died.
I doubt that dumbledore will return to his own body. i believe he may live on through another person or thing. If not either of these, i bet he has planned ahead for himself so that he can accompany harry everywhere. after all,
"HE will only be gone from this school when none here are loyal to him"
this quote alone says how he will not simply be blasted off the earth by a treacherous a.s.s. like snape
I find it peculiar that R.A.B got to the locket before anyone else. Maybe this R.A.B. put a special potion in place of the previous, a potion that would prevent the effects of Avada Kadavra.
Maybe (if R.A.B. is Regulus Black), Lily or Snape (being potions masters)--more possibly Snape, since he was a Death Eater in addition to Regulus--gave this potion to Regulus to put in place of the other one and to take the locket, knowing that Dumbledore was searching for horcruxes, and would eventually go looking for it.
But, then again, how could they know? My brain is frazzled from so many theories, I just find it hard to believe that that whole venture into the cave was for naught. I think that potion that concealed the locket was tampered with, allowing Dumbledor to "fake" his death.
But that doesn't explain the picture on the wall--BUT, the picture was sleeping, that could mean Dumbledore was teetering somewhere in the realm between life and death as an effect of the potion--making him SEEM dead, when he could be revived by Snape at some point in the future.
I don't know. It's just a though.
Maybe (if R.A.B. is Regulus Black), Lily or Snape (being potions masters)--more possibly Snape, since he was a Death Eater in addition to Regulus--gave this potion to Regulus to put in place of the other one and to take the locket, knowing that Dumbledore was searching for horcruxes, and would eventually go looking for it.
But, then again, how could they know? My brain is frazzled from so many theories, I just find it hard to believe that that whole venture into the cave was for naught. I think that potion that concealed the locket was tampered with, allowing Dumbledor to "fake" his death.
But that doesn't explain the picture on the wall--BUT, the picture was sleeping, that could mean Dumbledore was teetering somewhere in the realm between life and death as an effect of the potion--making him SEEM dead, when he could be revived by Snape at some point in the future.
I don't know. It's just a though.
Although all the theories are so good there is still a lot of what if and how comes???
We must remember that JKR gave us alot of clues but most of them came to a shocking end when we read the 6th book and found out that we were all wrong so she likes to keep us unknowing
Will he Return although my heart is set on him being there i dont think this is the Style of JKR as she has her way and her ideas not ours for her book
also that this book leaves us so stumped that we will have no clue whats comming next
We must remember that JKR gave us alot of clues but most of them came to a shocking end when we read the 6th book and found out that we were all wrong so she likes to keep us unknowing
Will he Return although my heart is set on him being there i dont think this is the Style of JKR as she has her way and her ideas not ours for her book
also that this book leaves us so stumped that we will have no clue whats comming next
Ok, until today, I firmly believed that Dumbledore was dead and not coming back.... until someone in the real world pointed out something that I'd completely missed.
Until now, the death curse has been described pretty similarly- blinding green light, drop dead, no signs of being touched.
So while Dd MAY be dead, it possibly wasn't the curse that killed him- because why would he have been "blasted into the air" and fall backwards? It just seems to me now that there was definatly something else there which was said, either non-verbally by Snape or something that Dd did to save himself.
Until now, the death curse has been described pretty similarly- blinding green light, drop dead, no signs of being touched.
So while Dd MAY be dead, it possibly wasn't the curse that killed him- because why would he have been "blasted into the air" and fall backwards? It just seems to me now that there was definatly something else there which was said, either non-verbally by Snape or something that Dd did to save himself.
I never thought of that good one
yes you right the trickle of blood it will show that there was some else there that i guess we will be told in two years
yes you right the trickle of blood it will show that there was some else there that i guess we will be told in two years
I also think the death of dumbledore has taken something out of these books.I Know it aint going to happen but it would be great for dumbledore to return.HERE are some things im not sure about.
Firstly why was DD body lain like it was a sleep after he fell?
If Snape hasnt really betrayed DD maybe he didnt put enough power into is curse and maybe it was a show so not to blow snapes cover as a spy
If this is true DD would after fake his death and work in secret against Voldy so not to blow his cover
Maybe after the fall dumbledore transfigured(his speciality)something into his body and left hogwarts to fight Voldy secretly.
I want these to be true but they probably arent but we never know dumbledore might have taken his own steps to immortallity.He certainly did something of the sort because of how old he is.
Why didnt he NOT put a freeze on harry and defend himself with his wand i mean we seen the stuff he can do why not disarm draco then precced to the other death eaters wouldnt this have been a better plan?
I was expecting fawkes the phoenix to actually heal dumbledore and were was fawkes why didnt he come to DD's aid and swallow the curse or whatever?I was expecting fawkes to bring dumbledore to life.
Also maybe this was part of dd's plan to lure voldy into a false sense of security.
WHAT ARE EVERYONE ELSE THOUGHTS ON THESE THEORYS?
Firstly why was DD body lain like it was a sleep after he fell?
If Snape hasnt really betrayed DD maybe he didnt put enough power into is curse and maybe it was a show so not to blow snapes cover as a spy
If this is true DD would after fake his death and work in secret against Voldy so not to blow his cover
Maybe after the fall dumbledore transfigured(his speciality)something into his body and left hogwarts to fight Voldy secretly.
I want these to be true but they probably arent but we never know dumbledore might have taken his own steps to immortallity.He certainly did something of the sort because of how old he is.
Why didnt he NOT put a freeze on harry and defend himself with his wand i mean we seen the stuff he can do why not disarm draco then precced to the other death eaters wouldnt this have been a better plan?
I was expecting fawkes the phoenix to actually heal dumbledore and were was fawkes why didnt he come to DD's aid and swallow the curse or whatever?I was expecting fawkes to bring dumbledore to life.
Also maybe this was part of dd's plan to lure voldy into a false sense of security.
WHAT ARE EVERYONE ELSE THOUGHTS ON THESE THEORYS?
Well... There's something in the FAQ on Jkrowling.com that got me thinking... The question is about why we haven't heard the school song since book one, and JKR says we should expect Dumbledore to call for the school song again when he is feeling "on top form once more". Could that mean what I think it means? Dunno, I guess we'll just have to wait and see.
I just thought of something. I was re-reading the book, and I came up to the part where Harry is asking Kreacher and Dobby to stalk Malfoy for him, but that it is important to not be seen, and that noone else may know what they are doing. On page 395, Dobby says:
"..And if Dobby does it wrong, Dobby will throw himself from the topmost tower..."
The Astronomy tower is, if I remember correctly, the tallest tower.
Dumbledore was presumably killed in the Astronomy tower.
The Avada Kedavra curse is supposed to show no sign of a struggle. We learned that in Goblet of Fire, on two occasions.
1) When "Moody" performed the curse on the spider, and the spider just "rolled onto it's back, unmarked, but unmistakably dead."
2) When Cedric get's killed, Harry hears "...something heavy fall to the ground beside him..."
On neither of these two occasions was anything thrown, in the least of terms. In fact, they make it sound like you just drop dead. So why would Dumbledore be "blasted into the air"?
Could we assume it possible that Dobby somehow messed up? Even though he means well, he doesn't always have the best methods of doing things, as we learned when he tried to keep Harry from Hogwarts all throughout the Chamber of Secrets.
Just a possibility, you never know what JK might pull.
"..And if Dobby does it wrong, Dobby will throw himself from the topmost tower..."
The Astronomy tower is, if I remember correctly, the tallest tower.
Dumbledore was presumably killed in the Astronomy tower.
The Avada Kedavra curse is supposed to show no sign of a struggle. We learned that in Goblet of Fire, on two occasions.
1) When "Moody" performed the curse on the spider, and the spider just "rolled onto it's back, unmarked, but unmistakably dead."
2) When Cedric get's killed, Harry hears "...something heavy fall to the ground beside him..."
On neither of these two occasions was anything thrown, in the least of terms. In fact, they make it sound like you just drop dead. So why would Dumbledore be "blasted into the air"?
Could we assume it possible that Dobby somehow messed up? Even though he means well, he doesn't always have the best methods of doing things, as we learned when he tried to keep Harry from Hogwarts all throughout the Chamber of Secrets.
Just a possibility, you never know what JK might pull.
| QUOTE (Minizter_For_Morons @ Jul 19 2005, 03:38 PM) |
| I got it... I got it... it is a cleaver scheme where DD befuddles us all ! Snape is an acomplice... The guy in the picture on the wall, "Dumbledore" is Dumbledore, just not Albus!!! |
Love that theory! Aberforth, perhaps!?
I like that theory and i will keep hope that one of our theories are true
Hope is still alive if we read chapters 23 and 24 DD says it will take a very powerfull wizard to take down VOLDY
and harry complains that i am not powerful
so i dont think DD is gone so to say because he has imence love for harry and will not leave him so unprepared and powerless
Hope is still alive if we read chapters 23 and 24 DD says it will take a very powerfull wizard to take down VOLDY
and harry complains that i am not powerful
so i dont think DD is gone so to say because he has imence love for harry and will not leave him so unprepared and powerless
| QUOTE (Wolf Soul @ Jul 21 2005, 05:06 PM) | ||
Love that theory! Aberforth, perhaps!? |
Correct me if I'm wrong here, but wouldm't it most lkely be *only* previous heads of the school who have portraits on the wall? I've got no recolection of ever hearing that Arberforth had been a Hogwarts head...
I also think the death of dumbledore has taken something out of these books.I Know it aint going to happen but it would be great for dumbledore to return.HERE are some things im not sure about.
Firstly why was DD body lain like it was a sleep after he fell?
If Snape hasnt really betrayed DD maybe he didnt put enough power into is curse and maybe it was a show so not to blow snapes cover as a spy
If this is true DD would after fake his death and work in secret against Voldy so not to blow his cover
Maybe after the fall dumbledore transfigured(his speciality)something into his body and left hogwarts to fight Voldy secretly.
I want these to be true but they probably arent but we never know dumbledore might have taken his own steps to immortallity.He certainly did something of the sort because of how old he is.
Why didnt he NOT put a freeze on harry and defend himself with his wand i mean we seen the stuff he can do why not disarm draco then precced to the other death eaters wouldnt this have been a better plan?
I was expecting fawkes the phoenix to actually heal dumbledore and were was fawkes why didnt he come to DD's aid and swallow the curse or whatever?I was expecting fawkes to bring dumbledore to life.
Also maybe this was part of dd's plan to lure voldy into a false sense of security.
CAN ANYONE ANSWER THESE QUESTIONS THAT ARE CONFUSING ME?
Firstly why was DD body lain like it was a sleep after he fell?
If Snape hasnt really betrayed DD maybe he didnt put enough power into is curse and maybe it was a show so not to blow snapes cover as a spy
If this is true DD would after fake his death and work in secret against Voldy so not to blow his cover
Maybe after the fall dumbledore transfigured(his speciality)something into his body and left hogwarts to fight Voldy secretly.
I want these to be true but they probably arent but we never know dumbledore might have taken his own steps to immortallity.He certainly did something of the sort because of how old he is.
Why didnt he NOT put a freeze on harry and defend himself with his wand i mean we seen the stuff he can do why not disarm draco then precced to the other death eaters wouldnt this have been a better plan?
I was expecting fawkes the phoenix to actually heal dumbledore and were was fawkes why didnt he come to DD's aid and swallow the curse or whatever?I was expecting fawkes to bring dumbledore to life.
Also maybe this was part of dd's plan to lure voldy into a false sense of security.
CAN ANYONE ANSWER THESE QUESTIONS THAT ARE CONFUSING ME?
| QUOTE ("Heir of Gryffindor") |
| Firstly why was DD body lain like it was a sleep after he fell? |
Actually it says: "Dumbledore's eyes were closed; but for the strange angle of his arms and legs, he might have been sleeping"
Suggests that DD's body was actually pretty mangled by the fall.
Well here's an idea i just thought of... It may be stupid because I didn't really give it much thought... But you notice that in OoTP when DD and Voldemort were dueling, they could both disappear (not Disapparate) and reappear someplace else in order to dodge a spell...? Well, maybe DD somehow siwtched bodies with Snape...? Sounds kinda stupid now that I put it in writing, but let me know what you think.
1) DD wouldm't use a Killing Curse on Snape, which would be the effect of switching places.
2) Neither of them are metamorphamagi, so they would still look like themselves, and Harry would have noticed.
3) I'm quite definately of the school of thought that thinks that Snape is probably just an evil git who actually did kill DD.
2) Neither of them are metamorphamagi, so they would still look like themselves, and Harry would have noticed.
3) I'm quite definately of the school of thought that thinks that Snape is probably just an evil git who actually did kill DD.
I was re-reading the book, and I came up to the part where Harry is asking Kreacher and Dobby to stalk Malfoy for him, but that it is important to not be seen, and that noone else may know what they are doing. On page 395, Dobby says:
"..And if Dobby does it wrong, Dobby will throw himself from the topmost tower..."
The Astronomy tower is, if I remember correctly, the tallest tower.
Dumbledore was presumably killed in the Astronomy tower.
The Avada Kedavra curse is supposed to show no sign of a struggle. We learned that in Goblet of Fire, on two occasions.
1) When "Moody" performed the curse on the spider, and the spider just "rolled onto it's back, unmarked, but unmistakably dead."
2) When Cedric get's killed, Harry hears "...something heavy fall to the ground beside him..."
On neither of these two occasions was anything thrown, in the least of terms. In fact, they make it sound like you just drop dead. So why would Dumbledore be "blasted into the air"?
Could we assume it possible that Dobby somehow messed up? Even though he means well, he doesn't always have the best methods of doing things, as we learned when he tried to keep Harry from Hogwarts all throughout the Chamber of Secrets.
Just a possibility, you never know what JK might pull.
"..And if Dobby does it wrong, Dobby will throw himself from the topmost tower..."
The Astronomy tower is, if I remember correctly, the tallest tower.
Dumbledore was presumably killed in the Astronomy tower.
The Avada Kedavra curse is supposed to show no sign of a struggle. We learned that in Goblet of Fire, on two occasions.
1) When "Moody" performed the curse on the spider, and the spider just "rolled onto it's back, unmarked, but unmistakably dead."
2) When Cedric get's killed, Harry hears "...something heavy fall to the ground beside him..."
On neither of these two occasions was anything thrown, in the least of terms. In fact, they make it sound like you just drop dead. So why would Dumbledore be "blasted into the air"?
Could we assume it possible that Dobby somehow messed up? Even though he means well, he doesn't always have the best methods of doing things, as we learned when he tried to keep Harry from Hogwarts all throughout the Chamber of Secrets.
Just a possibility, you never know what JK might pull.
Dumbledore is dead. Not trying to burst any bubbles, but he is and i think he is the least likly of all the dead people to come back.
I agree.
I know that JKR likes to have her little suprises, but I really don't think she'd pull a "Ha ha, you thought that he was dead and now he isn't!" type of thing...
I know that JKR likes to have her little suprises, but I really don't think she'd pull a "Ha ha, you thought that he was dead and now he isn't!" type of thing...
| QUOTE (The Keeganator @ Jul 20 2005, 11:17 PM) |
| i think some of you are missing one itsy bitsy little fact... WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ALBUS DUMBLEDORE!!! DD is one of the greatest wizards ever! Do you really believe that a wizard so smart and sly, so genius and cautious did not make any attempt whatsoever to stop himself dieing a mortal death?? I beleive that DD has his own way of salvaging his soul without tearing it to pieces. I doubt that JKR put so many comments about how powerful, smart and great dumbledore is if she was going to die without him giving anything of a fight. He is one of the great sceintist of magic, i refuse to beleive that he had no plan for what would happen after he died. I doubt that dumbledore will return to his own body. i believe he may live on through another person or thing. If not either of these, i bet he has planned ahead for himself so that he can accompany harry everywhere. after all, "HE will only be gone from this school when none here are loyal to him" this quote alone says how he will not simply be blasted off the earth by a treacherous a.s.s. like snape |
Something that occured to me when I read this.... In the SS/PS after Harry had stopped Quirrel, when DD was talking to him in the Hospital Wing, he said something along th lines of (im doing this from memory), "To the well organized mind, death is but the next greatest adventure." This leads me to believe DD had no fear of death whatsoever. Wouldn't you agree that his mind was "well organized"? I also think that DD showed Harry what he had to do...now Harry has got to do it... HARRY, not DUMBLEDORE... so I believe DD was not afraid to die once he showed Harry how to kill Voldemort.
| QUOTE (DDHorcrux @ Jul 19 2005, 07:48 PM) |
| I have a theory, and it makes a connection between something learned in the first book, something learned in the 6th book, and what happened to Dumbledore. Could it be possible that Dumbledore himself had a horcrux? Think about it. Dumbledore is particularly famous for his defeat of the dark wizard Grindelwald (Learned from first book, on DD's chocolate frog card). We learn that a horcrux can only be made after a significant death (Grindelwalds). Dumbledore "dies" in the end of the book. Now I know what you're thinking at this point: "BUT DUMBLEDORE ONLY BELIEVED IN MAGIC FOR GOOD! WHY WOULD HE MAKE A HORCRUX WHICH IS DARK MAGIC?" Dumbledore showed us in the HBP that it was wise to have an understanding of the enemy. It never says anywhere that Dumbledore didn't know the dark arts, or would never use them. Perhaps he made the Horcrux right after he killed Grindelwald. Yes he killed him, because defeating is how good guys kill the bad ones. And perhaps, his Horcrux is Gryffindors sword. Isn't it odd how it's always being brought up in the story? Or that Dumbledore tells Harry that the sword is safe, after Harry asks if it could be Voldemorts horcrux? |
Creating a horcrux means that the soul is split in half. The word Dumbledore himself uses is "mutilating". Mutilating his soul. Dumbledore would not do this, he is too decent of a wizard to use this kind of dark magic.
There is also the fact that we know that Dumbledore was not afraid of death; he would have no need of a horcrux, he will have "gone on".
Dumbledore is without a doubt really, truly dead.
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