Full Version: What About Harry's Blood
I am new to this website and posting thing, but here is a topic that I have not seen yet from my browsing and I think it is one of the most important topics. Harry's Blood! Rowling has put great emphasis on blood through out her books, especially with the purity of blood on the dark side. In HBP, Dumbledore says that Harry's blood is much too valuable (paraphrasing). In GOF, when he tells DD that Voldemort used his blood, Harry notes that DD gives a look like the battle is already won. And in COS, even the young Riddle notices that Harry and himself look alot alike in appearance. These things lead me to believe that in book 7, Harry's blood is of extreme importance. And why would his blood be of importance? With the COS reference, I am on board with the theory that Harry is Godric Gryffindor's heir. This explains why the blood is so important. Also this would explain why Harry's mother pleaded so much for Harry's Life when she died. Yes, she loved her son, but there has to be more then just her love for him. I believe she pleaded and then sacrificed herself because of her love for her son, but also because he was the last decendant of Gryffindor. This would also explain why Riddle made that comment about them, they both have founders blood and muggle born blood in them . So with this theory in hand, LV has Godric Gryffindor and Salazzar Slytherin blood in him. This can not be just a conincidence. Rowling has said it many of times in the books that Love is the power that Harry has and LV does not. I believe that in the end, Love and the power of Harry's blood will be the end of Voldemort. I would love to hear your thoughts on this theory.
| QUOTE (Bloodoftheheir @ Sep 14 2005, 01:13 PM) |
| Rowling has put great emphasis on blood through out her books, especially with the purity of blood on the dark side. In HBP, Dumbledore says that Harry's blood is much too valuable (paraphrasing). In GOF, when he tells DD that Voldemort used his blood, Harry notes that DD gives a look like the battle is already won. And in COS, even the young Riddle notices that Harry and himself look alot alike in appearance. |
Nice post. I think what you've written is well thought out. I believe blood has something to do with the deeper magic that Dumbledore spoke of. Blood is usually associated with sacrifice. Lily sacrificing her life for Harry is major; it was the strongest shield she could provide.
Maybe because LV used Harry's blood to regenerate himself, something in the blood transferred to him (much like Harry is a parselmouth). Harry's blood in LV could very well be his undoing.
Well Voldy could have taken almost any wizards blood when regenerating a body. He simply needed the blood of an enemy, if I remember right, and most wizards don't like Voldy. I think one of the significances of him wanting Harry's blood is the fact that Harry is probably his worst enemy. So maybe that somehow makes him stronger for having his blood? Yah, i dont know.
he had to use harry's blood so that he could touch him without suffering pain. Remember in PS at the end when quirrel touches harry he dies. Voldermort could not touch harry because his mum sacrificed herself (it is some old acient magic), therefore by taking his blood he could touch harry.
However i did notice it in HBP as you mentioned during the cave chapter (when dumbledore says his blood is worth more), and i did find it slightly interesting
However i did notice it in HBP as you mentioned during the cave chapter (when dumbledore says his blood is worth more), and i did find it slightly interesting
I think you guys are seeing what I am seeing, I just feel it is more than just allowing LV to touch Harry. There is more to the blood of Harry and it now being a part of LV. If anyone else has any ideas, I would love to hear them.
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| In GOF, when he tells DD that Voldemort used his blood, Harry notes that DD gives a look like the battle is already won |
I've thought a lot of that, and I think one reason why DD looked like that was that although Voldemort now could touch Harry, he couldn't attack him still in the Privet Drive. But that doesn't explain it all...
For the HBP, I thought Dumbledore means that he knows that it isn't he who can beat Voldemort this time, it's Harry, and DD wants to make sure that Harry survives.And DD himself has said that Harry is more closer to him than any other student, so it's maybe because of that too.
The theory of Harry being last of Gryffindof is very good. If there would been any other relative, surely he would have come forward allready. 'Cause if the theory is right, he or she would too be Harry's relative, and aren't they all dead? Expect Aunt Petunia, but she isn't witch, so she can't be... So then James was one who was Gryffindor' heir... Or could have Lilly been, then aunt Pettunia would be too... I have to think this by my own for a while, I'm getting all confused now. Can somebody of you clear my head?
For the HBP, I thought Dumbledore means that he knows that it isn't he who can beat Voldemort this time, it's Harry, and DD wants to make sure that Harry survives.And DD himself has said that Harry is more closer to him than any other student, so it's maybe because of that too.
The theory of Harry being last of Gryffindof is very good. If there would been any other relative, surely he would have come forward allready. 'Cause if the theory is right, he or she would too be Harry's relative, and aren't they all dead? Expect Aunt Petunia, but she isn't witch, so she can't be... So then James was one who was Gryffindor' heir... Or could have Lilly been, then aunt Pettunia would be too... I have to think this by my own for a while, I'm getting all confused now. Can somebody of you clear my head?
I disagree with the idea that DD knew that Harry would, not he, defeat LV and that is the reason on the blood. Harry can easily recover and his body would produce more blood. No, the blood is the key. Blood is key in all the books, either his mothers or his fathers or other reasons.
On the issue of whether Harry is the heir from his father or his mother (meaning that there is more the Aunt Petunia than has been revealed), I am also wondering. I still believe that James was the descendant of Gryffindor, but something has also come into play for his mother besides the protection she gave him that night.
Let me know your thoughts.
On the issue of whether Harry is the heir from his father or his mother (meaning that there is more the Aunt Petunia than has been revealed), I am also wondering. I still believe that James was the descendant of Gryffindor, but something has also come into play for his mother besides the protection she gave him that night.
Let me know your thoughts.
Arent we forgettong something? Lilly Was a muggle born. 
That means she cant have been Gryffindors decendant. Maybe James is now that would make much more sence!
That means she cant have been Gryffindors decendant. Maybe James is now that would make much more sence!
| QUOTE (treacle_tart @ Sep 14 2005, 06:38 PM) |
| Maybe because LV used Harry's blood to regenerate himself, something in the blood transferred to him (much like Harry is a parselmouth). Harry's blood in LV could very well be his undoing. |
Up until now, I thought that the 'gleam of triumph' in Dumbledore's eye in GOF was because of some stupid theory I had that he was on Voldemort's side (not that I could justify that theory, by any means, I just jumped to a dumb conclusion!)
I thought that Dumbledore was happy that Voldemort had defeated Lily's protection in Harry. But now that you've phrased it like that, the gleam in the eye makes sense!
Thanks treacle_tart!!!
I Know and I agree with HP Fan number one, but there is something to Harry being half-blood. LV is half blood. I just have this feeling that somehow, there is importance in the fact their LV and Harry both have Hogwarts Founders blood in them (theory on Harry) and Muggle born blood.
Let me know your thoughts.
Let me know your thoughts.
That may be the case, about Harry and Voldemort both being half-bloods, and I would love to think that Harry is a descendant of Godric Gryffindor, but aren't we forgetting that Vodemort could have chosen from two boys to mark?
If this is all true, and it would be really cool if it were, then I believe that Neville's ancestry should also be coming into play. Unless Voldemort chose Harry because of his ancestry...
That's got me on a new train of thought!
If this is all true, and it would be really cool if it were, then I believe that Neville's ancestry should also be coming into play. Unless Voldemort chose Harry because of his ancestry...
That's got me on a new train of thought!
I'm not sure if this has been brought up somewhere, but what about Umbridge's detentions, meaning when Harry used his own blood to write the lines there. Does it has any significant? And now I'm meaning the blood theories, not anything else that might come in mind. I can't think anything but stupid theories (containing vodoo ), but I'm interested to find out if you have some.
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*All Quotes in bold are from "bloodoftheheir"*
In HBP, Dumbledore says that Harry's blood is much too valuable (paraphrasing)
The reason why Dumbledore says that is because his blood is running with Lily Potter's sacrifice. It's way too valuable to waste, even though Harry can produce more.
In GOF, when he tells DD that Voldemort used his blood, Harry notes that DD gives a look like the battle is already won. And in COS, even the young Riddle notices that Harry and himself look alot alike in appearance. These things lead me to believe that in book 7, Harry's blood is of extreme importance. And why would his blood be of importance? With the COS reference, I am on board with the theory that Harry is Godric Gryffindor's heir.
I don't see the where you're getting your theory from. Just because Harry and Tom Riddle look somewhat alike, does not mean that Harry is the Heir of Godric Gryffindor. Tom Riddle is the Heir of Slytherin, so how does it make Harry Gryffindor's Heir just because they look alike? Salazar Slytherin and Godric Gryffindor weren't related, and just because they were the founders of the school does not mean that their Heir's will have special blood that will connect with each other. The only possible reason I can think of as to why Tom Riddle and Harry look somewhat alike is because of his scar. That curse that Voldemort gave Harry the night his parents died is no ordinary curse, like Dumbledore said. He became a Parselmouth because of him. The Sorting Hat was considering putting Harry in Slytherin, because he has a little bit of Lord Voldemort in him, and Lord Voldemort, aka Tom Riddle was a Slytherin. Only because Harry pleaded to be in Gryffindor was the reason why the Hat sorted him there.
Also this would explain why Harry's mother pleaded so much for Harry's Life when she died. Yes, she loved her son, but there has to be more then just her love for him. I believe she pleaded and then sacrificed herself because of her love for her son, but also because he was the last decendant of Gryffindor. This would also explain why Riddle made that comment about them, they both have founders blood and muggle born blood in them . So with this theory in hand, LV has Godric Gryffindor and Salazzar Slytherin blood in him. This can not be just a conincidence.
When did Tom Riddle ever make the comment that they both had founders blood running in them? I have CoS out right now, and I will quote exactly what Tom Riddle said:
"So. Your mother died to save you. Yes, that's a powerful counter-charm. I can see now - there is nothing special about you, after all. I wondered, you see. Because there are strange likenesses between us, Harry Potter. Even you must have noticed. Both half-bloods, orphans, raised by Muggles. Probably the only two Parselmouths to come to Hogwarts since the great Slytherin himself. We even look something alike ... " (Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets, Chapter 17, The Heir of Slytherin, Page 233, Children's Edition)
Where does Tom Riddle say that they both have founders blood running in them? He only says that they are half-bloods, orphans and raised my Muggles, and that they are probably the only two people to enter Hogwarts after Slytherin to be Parselmouths. No where does he even hint that Harry is someone's Heir.
The only reason why Harry's a Parselmouth is because of the scar that Lord Voldemort gave him. Dumbledore said himself in CoS:
"You can speak Parseltongue, Harry", said Dumbledore calmly, "because Lord Voldemort - who is the last remaining descendant of Salazar Slytherin - can speak Parseltongue. Unless I'm much mistaken, he transferred some of his own powers to you the night he gave you that scar. Not something he intended to do, I'm sure ..." (Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets, Chapter 18, Dobby's Reward, Page 245, Children's Edition)
That's why their wands come from the same core as well, Phoenix Feather. Because they share a lot of qualities. But that doesn't mean they share the same blood. Oh no no no! They have very different blood.
But I don't see where your theory is going about Harry being Godric Gryffindor's Heir. I don't see any clues to lead to that. Lily would never sacrifice herself for her son only because he's the last remaining Gryffindor, she would sacrifice herself only because she loved him
And that's old magic, which Lord Voldemort, stating in GoF, noticed and said that he had made a big blunder in forgetting. I'll quote that for you too if you want...here it is...
"His mother left upon him the traces of her sacrifice ... this is old magic, I should have remembered it, I was foolish to over look it ... but no matter. I can touch him now." (Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire, Chapter 33, The Death Eaters, Page 566, Children's Edition)
And anyway, like you said about Lord Voldemort having Gryffindor and Slytherin blood in him, he can only have Gryffindor blood in him if Harry's Gryffindor's Heir, which I don't believe. Lord Voldemort chose Harry Potter's blood only because he wanted the same protection running in his veins that Harry had, so that he could touch him.
I rest my case...
In HBP, Dumbledore says that Harry's blood is much too valuable (paraphrasing)
The reason why Dumbledore says that is because his blood is running with Lily Potter's sacrifice. It's way too valuable to waste, even though Harry can produce more.
In GOF, when he tells DD that Voldemort used his blood, Harry notes that DD gives a look like the battle is already won. And in COS, even the young Riddle notices that Harry and himself look alot alike in appearance. These things lead me to believe that in book 7, Harry's blood is of extreme importance. And why would his blood be of importance? With the COS reference, I am on board with the theory that Harry is Godric Gryffindor's heir.
I don't see the where you're getting your theory from. Just because Harry and Tom Riddle look somewhat alike, does not mean that Harry is the Heir of Godric Gryffindor. Tom Riddle is the Heir of Slytherin, so how does it make Harry Gryffindor's Heir just because they look alike? Salazar Slytherin and Godric Gryffindor weren't related, and just because they were the founders of the school does not mean that their Heir's will have special blood that will connect with each other. The only possible reason I can think of as to why Tom Riddle and Harry look somewhat alike is because of his scar. That curse that Voldemort gave Harry the night his parents died is no ordinary curse, like Dumbledore said. He became a Parselmouth because of him. The Sorting Hat was considering putting Harry in Slytherin, because he has a little bit of Lord Voldemort in him, and Lord Voldemort, aka Tom Riddle was a Slytherin. Only because Harry pleaded to be in Gryffindor was the reason why the Hat sorted him there.
Also this would explain why Harry's mother pleaded so much for Harry's Life when she died. Yes, she loved her son, but there has to be more then just her love for him. I believe she pleaded and then sacrificed herself because of her love for her son, but also because he was the last decendant of Gryffindor. This would also explain why Riddle made that comment about them, they both have founders blood and muggle born blood in them . So with this theory in hand, LV has Godric Gryffindor and Salazzar Slytherin blood in him. This can not be just a conincidence.
When did Tom Riddle ever make the comment that they both had founders blood running in them? I have CoS out right now, and I will quote exactly what Tom Riddle said:
"So. Your mother died to save you. Yes, that's a powerful counter-charm. I can see now - there is nothing special about you, after all. I wondered, you see. Because there are strange likenesses between us, Harry Potter. Even you must have noticed. Both half-bloods, orphans, raised by Muggles. Probably the only two Parselmouths to come to Hogwarts since the great Slytherin himself. We even look something alike ... " (Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets, Chapter 17, The Heir of Slytherin, Page 233, Children's Edition)
Where does Tom Riddle say that they both have founders blood running in them? He only says that they are half-bloods, orphans and raised my Muggles, and that they are probably the only two people to enter Hogwarts after Slytherin to be Parselmouths. No where does he even hint that Harry is someone's Heir.
The only reason why Harry's a Parselmouth is because of the scar that Lord Voldemort gave him. Dumbledore said himself in CoS:
"You can speak Parseltongue, Harry", said Dumbledore calmly, "because Lord Voldemort - who is the last remaining descendant of Salazar Slytherin - can speak Parseltongue. Unless I'm much mistaken, he transferred some of his own powers to you the night he gave you that scar. Not something he intended to do, I'm sure ..." (Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets, Chapter 18, Dobby's Reward, Page 245, Children's Edition)
That's why their wands come from the same core as well, Phoenix Feather. Because they share a lot of qualities. But that doesn't mean they share the same blood. Oh no no no! They have very different blood.
But I don't see where your theory is going about Harry being Godric Gryffindor's Heir. I don't see any clues to lead to that. Lily would never sacrifice herself for her son only because he's the last remaining Gryffindor, she would sacrifice herself only because she loved him
And that's old magic, which Lord Voldemort, stating in GoF, noticed and said that he had made a big blunder in forgetting. I'll quote that for you too if you want...here it is...
"His mother left upon him the traces of her sacrifice ... this is old magic, I should have remembered it, I was foolish to over look it ... but no matter. I can touch him now." (Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire, Chapter 33, The Death Eaters, Page 566, Children's Edition)
And anyway, like you said about Lord Voldemort having Gryffindor and Slytherin blood in him, he can only have Gryffindor blood in him if Harry's Gryffindor's Heir, which I don't believe. Lord Voldemort chose Harry Potter's blood only because he wanted the same protection running in his veins that Harry had, so that he could touch him.
I rest my case...
This may sound a little out there but what the hey.
This is just an insomniacs theory: (HBP spoiler) What if Harry WAS a horcrux? Maybe Voldemort instead of killing Harry, acidentally made him a horcrux, and Voldemort didn't find out about it until sometime around before the Triwizard Tournament, which may be why he insisted on using Harry's blood.So then one of the horcruxes would be "inside him'', wouln't it and Harry would no longer be a horcrux, and Dumbledore may have known about it and did not tell Harry for fear of frightening him, I mean he waited quite a while before telling Harry about the prophecy. That might explain the '' gleam of triumph in Dumbledore's eyes when Harry told him that Voldemort used his blood so he could come ''back to life'' for want of a better term.
I know this may seem a little far-fetched but I was up real late and jsut thought of it, so tell me what you think.
This is just an insomniacs theory: (HBP spoiler) What if Harry WAS a horcrux? Maybe Voldemort instead of killing Harry, acidentally made him a horcrux, and Voldemort didn't find out about it until sometime around before the Triwizard Tournament, which may be why he insisted on using Harry's blood.So then one of the horcruxes would be "inside him'', wouln't it and Harry would no longer be a horcrux, and Dumbledore may have known about it and did not tell Harry for fear of frightening him, I mean he waited quite a while before telling Harry about the prophecy. That might explain the '' gleam of triumph in Dumbledore's eyes when Harry told him that Voldemort used his blood so he could come ''back to life'' for want of a better term.
I know this may seem a little far-fetched but I was up real late and jsut thought of it, so tell me what you think.
I don't no if someone has already put this out there of sumthin but i think the reason dumbledore looked triumphant when harry sed that LV used his blood to regenerate was that he thought maybe some of the love lily gave to harry when she sacraficed her self is now in voldermort so LV might be able to become good again.
I know it sound weird but i've always thought of voldermort and tom riddle as being seperate. Tom riddle wasn't born evil it's what he chose to do that made him like that just like harry chose not to be in slytherin when he was being sorted and dumbledore has sed before in the books it's choices that make a person who they are. So if when harry has destroyed all the horcruxes except the one in voldermorts body and is face to face with LV all that will be left of LV is a very damaged part of his soul and harrys blood and because his soul will b so damaged it will be over ruled by love in harry blood and help him to become good agen. Like i sed it's a bit off the wall!!!
I know it sound weird but i've always thought of voldermort and tom riddle as being seperate. Tom riddle wasn't born evil it's what he chose to do that made him like that just like harry chose not to be in slytherin when he was being sorted and dumbledore has sed before in the books it's choices that make a person who they are. So if when harry has destroyed all the horcruxes except the one in voldermorts body and is face to face with LV all that will be left of LV is a very damaged part of his soul and harrys blood and because his soul will b so damaged it will be over ruled by love in harry blood and help him to become good agen. Like i sed it's a bit off the wall!!!
sovereign,
I get what you are saying about the whole horcrux and Harry thing... But I think the main reason why Voldemort wanted Harry's blood was because when Harry was 1 and Voldemort had his downfall... Lv gave some of his powers to Harry. Not so that he lost the powers he gave but more so that they split the powers so that both of them had the same powers. I know this is kind of a re-cap but bare with me... So in the graveyard in GoF when Voldemort took some of Harrys blood, that probably just made him stronger. Even stronger than if he used someone elses blood because now Voldemort took some of Harry's powers...such as love...And, I suspect, that Voldemort got stronger because Harry is his enemy, so it made him stronger, just because his enemys blood was in him.
I get what you are saying about the whole horcrux and Harry thing... But I think the main reason why Voldemort wanted Harry's blood was because when Harry was 1 and Voldemort had his downfall... Lv gave some of his powers to Harry. Not so that he lost the powers he gave but more so that they split the powers so that both of them had the same powers. I know this is kind of a re-cap but bare with me... So in the graveyard in GoF when Voldemort took some of Harrys blood, that probably just made him stronger. Even stronger than if he used someone elses blood because now Voldemort took some of Harry's powers...such as love...And, I suspect, that Voldemort got stronger because Harry is his enemy, so it made him stronger, just because his enemys blood was in him.
this is all great ideas flowing but i this some of you may have overlooked the fact that the sorting hat WANTED to put harry in slytheryn an would definately not concidered it if harry had gryffindor blood.
however whilst writing that i remembered how dumbledor said it was actually down to choice and maybe the sorting hat senced the air of slytheryin in harry that overwhelmed the gryffindor blood.
still with me?
i hope so because i have been thinking about what importance there is that LV shouldnt be able to touch HP if theyre wizards. i mean lets face why on earth would LV need to touch harry if he can do magic its not like hes going to strangle him.
any follow up ideas??
however whilst writing that i remembered how dumbledor said it was actually down to choice and maybe the sorting hat senced the air of slytheryin in harry that overwhelmed the gryffindor blood.
still with me?
i hope so because i have been thinking about what importance there is that LV shouldnt be able to touch HP if theyre wizards. i mean lets face why on earth would LV need to touch harry if he can do magic its not like hes going to strangle him.
any follow up ideas??
I wonder if it has something to do horcruxes. Like, maybe with Harry's love running through him, it forces LV to cme to grips with the fact that his soul is now in pieces, and it somehow calls out to the remaining horcruxes.
Of course, it would be impossible to speculate what the exact mechanics would be -- imagine trying to imagine what would happen if Harry and LV clashed wands prior to reading GoF. But I don't think audiences would be saisfied if we had another "LV is overwhelmed by Lily's love running through his veins" storyline.
But perhaps the "triumph" can allude to something more subtle, or something before the main triumph of the book.
Of course, it would be impossible to speculate what the exact mechanics would be -- imagine trying to imagine what would happen if Harry and LV clashed wands prior to reading GoF. But I don't think audiences would be saisfied if we had another "LV is overwhelmed by Lily's love running through his veins" storyline.
But perhaps the "triumph" can allude to something more subtle, or something before the main triumph of the book.
Ok, Voldemort wanted harry's blood, because he knew that Harry's mother died to save him, that gave Harry a protection. Voldemort wanted that protection, so if he used harry's blood, then he would have that protection.
But that leads us to the fact that their might be more than just protection in harry's blood. I mean-what if Harry was gryffindor's heir? Wouldn't that mean Voldemort had gryffindor blood too? I don't think he'd be happy with that ...
Plus harry's a Half-blood. but then, so is Volemort ... bad example ...
Ok, so pretty much that harry's got, Voldemort's got. Now was have to work out if this is a good thing or a bad thing ...
But that leads us to the fact that their might be more than just protection in harry's blood. I mean-what if Harry was gryffindor's heir? Wouldn't that mean Voldemort had gryffindor blood too? I don't think he'd be happy with that ...
Plus harry's a Half-blood. but then, so is Volemort ... bad example ...
Ok, so pretty much that harry's got, Voldemort's got. Now was have to work out if this is a good thing or a bad thing ...
I think LV took Harry's blood not only bcuz he iz LV worst enemy but also so that LV could touch Harry. In book 1 it burned LV/Quirrell to touch Harry, now that they share blood he can touch Harry.In the end though i think the blood connection will be LV undoing.
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