I realised today that I've spent way too much time thinking about Percy Weasley's character. However with that in mind, I'm wondering if it were possible for Percy to have a time turner.

If you think about it. Hermione was given a time turner in POA. Now, this has issues in itself which I've discussed in the POA thread, but it basically means that she was the only person from Gryffindore doing those subjects, but moving right along..... in short, there wasn't enough time for her to be taking all of those lessons. So she was given more.

But from COS, we know that Percy received 12 OWLs. Which is more than Hermione's and that he must have been taking every known subject offered- Charms, Potions, DADA, Herbology, History of Magic, Astronomy, Arithmancy, Care of Magical Creatures, Muggle Studies, Divination, Ancient Runes and Transfiguration (at least unless I missed out one, then he was taking almost all).

So how come Hermione can't fit all of those into a weekly timetable, but Percy can? It doesn't make sense that they would change it so that there were less opportunities for people to do all subjects, because those that WEREN'T would have an awful lot of spares. So maybe Percy had a timeturner. The responsibility that he would have shown with it would have definatly made him a Head Boy candiate.

Maybe that's how he had time to do all of his subjects, his prefect duties and date Penelope

Any thoughts?

Yeah, I think it's a pretty good possibility that Percy did have a TT, but I don't think we will ever find out because it's really not pivitol to the overall story.

I never thought of that until that but it is possible cause he took so many subjects.I think he must have used an time-turner but I don't think we'll find out but I think he did.

Lol- I should have expressed more that I KNOW we probably won't find out the answer to this. It's just one of the many random and useless points that I've picked up while rereading through the books looking for connections and meaning

Maybe all of what I've found- including this- has just been mistakes or not-so-well-thought-out ideas of JKR. But the fact that I'm finding a few of them--- and considering the time turner is a pretty vital part of the third book- you'd think there'd be some consistancies

Haha sorry pixy~ I didin't mean to sound like i thought it was a pointless observation

What I meant to say is that I think Rowling has just done such an excellent job of creating the world of harry potter and has done so much planning in it that she does really insert little details, like the one this thread is about, into the story with the intent that keen readers, such as yourself, will pick up on them and see them for what they really are.

He probalby did have a timeturner but the only way to find out would be to ask Jo herself.

For Percy to achieve more owls than Hermione it would be weird since they were so alike so he must have taken all the subjects so he can be so ambitionus.

Ask Jo for any answer and she might answer for this one.

heh heh- She might, but like Solorund said, it's not really going to be an essential plot point.

And it's cool Solorund- I THINK it's a pointless observation, but I think in all of the rereading I got to the point that I was sick of looking at all of the HBP debates and clues and started going back further in time.

I'm now starting to wonder if the time turner was just a plot convenience for JKR, because if Percy DIDN'T have one, then why would they change the timetable so that people couldn't do all of the subjects? It's just silly to think about it- but at this point, I'm not quite so disillusioned that I think of JKR as a poor writer and would rather attempt to find meaning in pointless observations

Many extraordinary things seem to happen 'off screen' in HP. It seems to save a lot of explainations. I get the feeling bits like the 12 OWLs were thrown in to show Percy as really academic and missing saying how he done it adds to the feeling of a 'bigger universe than we see'.

Well i have no idea to tell you about the Owls ,but i think a student which must be intelligent got the Time turner,and Percy is an intelligent to ,so he has definitely a Time turner.

I think that he probably did have a time turner because otherwise he wouldn't have been able to get 12 O.W.Ls. I don't think it would be that difficult for Percy to get one because after all Hermione got one in her third year. And Percy, like Hermione is very intelligent and does not break rules so he would have been very careful with it and I don't think McGonagall would have had that much of a problem in giving a top student like Percy the time turner.

percy may hav hade a time turnerbut jkr wouldnt have made it important

yes. True. how could he get so many OWLS without one? Do you think that percy is going to use his TT in the seventh book. Or he ahs used it so far thatb we dont know about and thats why this is of importance. because if he has one still, then yes he probably will use it.
I was thinking Harry should get a time turner and use it int eh seventh one so he can destroy more than one horcrux at a time..

Yeah, I think it's totally possible that Percy could've had a Time Turner. He seems like the sort of person that McGonagall would get one. However, I'm not sure whether Jo will actually put something like that in the book. The fact that Percy got 12 OWLS is long-gone... I think were are more worried now about how Percy has basically adopted the Ministry as his new family. I barely even remembered the fact that Percy got 12 OWLS. I highly doubt that we'll ever find out how he did it, but it's very interesting to think about.

Wow that’s a really good observation! But if you think about, Hermione had outside interference on the way she did her work. Such as Sirius Black on the loose, saving Buckbeak, AND she was in a fight with Ron for a good portion of the time. Perhaps, Percy was just too square back then. Maybe he wasn’t easily distracted but then (wow I’m disagreeing with myself) in book 4 he yelled at everyone to be quiet while he did his report on cauldron thickness for Mr. Crouch. Tough to say.

There may be a very simple explanation for this. I found this useful bit of information from PoA and I'll quote from the text



So Hermione decided to drop two subjects and that would make it ten courses she was taking, which would easily fit in a normal schedule. That means in in her OWL year she was attending courses for 10 subjects (Ancient Runes, Arithmancy, Astronomy, Care of Magical Creatures, Charms, Defense Against The Dark Arts, Herbology, History of Magic, Potions, Transfiguration).

But she got eleven OWLs suggesting that you are allowed to take OWLs in subjects that you may not have signed up for. Perhaps Percy and many others before him (Bill Weasley too got 12 OWLs) may have dropped some courses from their class schedule but decided to take the OWL exams for those subjects.
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I dunno..... very ramdom cuz im dun like Percy he's cruel!