Um we dont know when the prophecy was made but I believe it was made while Harry was already born. See the prophecy was made and it said "it was the kid from parents that have escaped the Dark Lord three times", i mean if a year went by after the prophecy many parents could have had kids, some people have evaded Voldemort many times, it wouldnt make sense.
The prophecy was made and Harry was already born, most probably Harry was already one year old. His birthday is July 31. From then until October 31 is 3 months. during those three months Voldemort found the Potters and killed two of them. Now think if Snape felt bad about what happened why would he do it and admit he was a Death Eater after being hired by Dumbledore.
No I think he wasnt hired yet when the Potters died, he went to Dumbledore and told him what happened, he got hired after that but surely not right after he told him. I mean he wouldnt go to work at Hogwarts while it was November, he stayed around and most probably started working the next year at Hogwarts.
Now Trelawney was hired as soon as she made the prophecy because Dumbledore knew the danger she was in now. So she started working at Hogwarts before Snape (the summer of the prophecy).
Wow im smart makes me feel like when Dumbledore was explaining all those things to Harry through guess work,

If the prophecy was made after Harry was born, why then was it worded as if the child is to be born in the future?

"The one with the power [...] as the seventh month dies" ... have a look at OotP ... I think this definitely places the prophecy before Harry's birth.

Pixymajik, I hear you. We agree about the dates and the arguments that fix the dates. However, where does it say that Snape was applying for the teaching job when he overheard the prophecy? He could have been at the Hog's Head for an entirely different reason and just been sneaking after Dumbledore to spy on him. (Trelawney had taken a room at the inn, Dumbledore was visiting her there).

I think it is unlikely that JKR made a mistake with the timeline here; these dates are just too crucial in the story. I believe rather that there are things about the years 1979-1981 that we do not yet know, things that will explain Snape's loyalties, reveal more about the activities of the Order and also place R.A.B.'s actions in context.

As for the reason why Snape didn't act immediately, I'm trying to come up with reasons, as I said. He was a young guy, the lessons he learnt would have taken time, and if he had been under 21 when he applied, he might have been judged too young to teach.

I really don't know about Snape... I still can't really believe he betrayed DD. I think Snape was doing it for DD,that when Harry and DD got back DD knew what was about to happen. I mean, for instance, why did he put a spell on harry for him not to move? Surely by now DD knows harry's strengths? and if he was really afraid, i think DD would trust harry to take part in the fight and maybe even save the situation. It seems like he got over the thing of trying to protect Harry too much and everything... I mean, he took him with him to find the horcruxes. About him acting under the effect of the potion, i don't know. It somehow seems to me that at the scene with Snape and Draco and the Death Eaters, DD mind was clear... Whad do you think?

"she believes that he was listening in trying to pick up job tips"... that's just the kind of thing that Trelawney would make of it, isn't it? Seeing how Snape taking up a teaching job a year later.
The earlier job application of Snape may only exist in her mind...

man were awsome making these discussions so well based on Harry Potter. Dang lol

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wow, i was just thinking about something similar to this topic yesterday. ok,well, i have a theory that snape might just be innocent. ( ) yes! i think he is, because when i thought about it, why would he want to kill the only person who ever 'really' gave him a 2nd chance? and plus, like...what normal person wants to kill dumbledore? <voldemort isn't normal> so, i think that when snape was last called to meet the dark lord, that he was captured and that one of the other death eaters (mostly lucius; he could have broken out of azkaban...somehow) took the polyjuice potion and impersonated snape. but then again, i also believe that somehow, yet again, when he went to meet the dark lord, that he was also put under the imperious curse so that he, if draco didn't, would kill dumbledore. so,,,yeah, thats what i think *really* happened. but, just in theory. what do you guys think?

Snapelover my bad, I was just a little caught up in the moment. I know the rule though.
Secret Apprentice that could happen but I mean is not very likely as there is not even minimal evidence or hints saying that Lucius is out of Azkaban. As more when Dumbledore was talking to Draco he said to him he could hide him, his mother from Voldemort. That Lucius was safe in Azkaban at the moment and that when he gets out he would be hiden too.

You know what guys? Whatever side people go to in this debate no one can deny that what Snape did was a mortal sin. Nobody could defend murder even if it is for the greater good. Self sacrifice is the one that is acceptable not murder.

Example: If I knew that my little sister's death is crucial for the survival of the world would I kill her? No, because the decision is her's to choose. Her life is not in my hands. Only God has the right to give and take life. If my little sister choses to save the world then better. She would go to heaven for saving the planet. That is self sacrifice. That is what Jesus did.

What kind of message would Snape be sending to the people? What is his moral values and obligations? Turn on other people, dont give them a choice, everything is in your hands? Woah, Thats sort of psycho for Rowling to write.

If DD thinks it really is crucial to the world that he dies then he should have given himself by means of sacrifice. At least he would have done one last good thing.

I though about a lil something someone said that Snape took the job from Voldemort order. So, we all know Snape got the job after Voldemort die.

So Voldemort did not knew he was gonna die (in book 4) so, how can Voldemort had told Snape to go get the job at Hogwart.

And when Voldemort tell all the name of the Death Eathers, he tell the one who are dead, Barty Jr, the one who flee but never he tell Snape

[COLOR=purple]I REALY REALY HOPE SPAPE IS BETRAYING VOLDY, BUT I STILL VOTED UNSURE ON THE POLL I THINK THAT IF SNAP IS ON THE ORDERS SIDE HE WILL HAVE A JOB CONVINCING THEM IN THE NEXT BOOK. IF HES NOT ON OUR SIDE THEN I THINK J.K.R HAS RUINED HIS CHARICTER. I LIKED HIM, WELL, I LIKED HIS CHARICTER.

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I think i need a little clarification to what you are say, and since I we are trying to keep this away from a religous degate, as we should, I will throw a Harry Potter reference. Say Harry is defending himself from a death eater, or Vold. If he killed that person while defending himself and had no other choice but to do so to stay alive, is he still moraly wrong? Sorry if I am straying into an area we don't need to go.

I totally agree. Don't forget that this is a war. It could be the best if they could stop LV without killing him, but they simply can't-that's why Harry has to do it but I hope that w thout using an Unforgivable Curse.

If Jo goes in this way I do, she may make Snape a kind of a hero because he had to do what wasm't easy but it was right. If Snape hadn't done it, the Death Eaters or the potion would do it anyway and what advantage it would be because of that? Snape would have been dead, DD would have been dead and there would have been only Harry, who without Snape's help can manage only to find a locket in the Blacks house, I suppose. Harry has his strength-love, which means that LV can't possess him, but he isn't such a good student as Riddle or Snape were. There are plenty of places where Horcruxes can be hidden and where LV can stay: who except Snape can show him where's LV and Nagini?

There's of course a question of lack of trust for Snape, but I suppose that Jo will manage to solve the problem. It's not as big as it may seem.

I think Snape has made his decision. He did not have to commit himself to one side for a very long time but after the Unbreakable Vow there was no way back for him.

Snape had to make a choice between Dumbledore, who was growing older and weeker and who isn't very fond of the dark arts, and the dark Lord Voldemort who seemed to be immortal and who is so much like Snape himself (mother a witch, father a muggle). He has always shown a devotion for the dark arts and it must have appeared to him as if Voldemort won this war. To kill Dumbledore might have been hard but he chose his side and it was the side that seemed more promising to him.

DD said to Harry (in HBP):
if I tell you to leave me and save yourself, you will do as I tell you?

What if Snape had to follow the same orders, DD being like a general during the war? If DD had been able to kill LV, he'd have done it earlier but he couldn't. Snape is the one who may have access to LV's thoughts, what may allow to finally finish off LV. Snape's life was more important, however I know it sound shocking.

I'm with those who are still unsure because up till now, I find Professor Severus Snape's character as a mysterious, unpredictable but constant one. Why constant? Because from the start, he's serving a master, it could be Dumbledore or Voldemort, we dont' know until know.

But thought he killed DD, I'm not angry with him because I believe he did it in purpose. I would still want to believe that Snape is still in Dumbledore's side but HBP's chapter two served as an hindrance.

gryffin_hauz_88, that might have been true, the whole thing about DD telling the order and Snape to follow his orders at all times.

but part of me thinks that he just might be guilty; now that i think about it. i still feel as though he could have been put under the IC, but, who knows now?

lets just hope that he WAS under DD's orders and that he didn't want to kill him... -key word, HOPE-

I believe that Snape is innocent because JKR wouldn't have included chapter 2 if he was really evil. She would have left it out, or put it near the end of the book as a flash back. She just wants you to think that Snape is evil so that she can turn it around later.

Also, I haven't heard one good reason why Snape would tell Dumbledore that Harry was going to the Department of Mysteries unless he was truely working for him. If he was working for LV that would have been the perfect time to betray DD so that LV could get Harry. Also, if Snape hadn't told DD that Harry was going to the DoM, DD would not have known that Snape knew about it so he would still trust Snape, and LV would have Harry. I see no reason why he would warn DD if he wasn't working for him.

The reason I think snape did not betray dumbledore is that i think he would never have begged before death as he did (he would have been able to tell that snape was hostile).

And it seems like snape was still teaching harry as he fought him, he was like "keep your mouth shut and your mind closed potter".

srry if this has already been said, I don't have the attention span to read through all that has been said...

i didnt take the definition of murderer from a dictionary im coming up with what it means as its based on Harry Potter books.
See you hear for example when Harry's parents died, anyone that talks about says "The night Voldemort murdered Lily and James".
Why cant they just say the night he killed them? because he murdered them, alas "..someone who kills someone who has no means of defending themselves and are completely innocent from such destiny". James and Lily were strong wizards but they were no match for Voldemort "innocent victims". And they were "innocent from that destiny" they did not deserve to die like that.

No death is ok in my opinion Pixy, At all, Of course im no saint, sometimes i read people who did bad, or someone i would like killed, like Voldemort. That doesnt make it ok, and necessary depends how you see it. I mean if its Voldemort it wouldnt be exactly necessary but right, he has caused and is causing too much pain.

You know we say we should keep religion away from the Harry Potter books, but it should be based to some point to make better comments or feeds, I dunno if its against the rules but just an opinion.

There are several things in the book that lead me to believe Snape is working for good:

* He flinches during the unbreakable vow
* He is given the DADA job even though it's well known to be cursed
* His row with Dumbledore (I too believe it concerns having to kill him)
* His light punishment of Harry for using Sectumsempra (he knew full well where Harry got that spell)
* The fact he was apparently unaware of the Death Eaters break-in at Hogwarts
* His decision not to snatch Harry before his own disappearance at the end (he could have simply stupefied him and then taken him straight to Voldemort)

Also something about JK wording is a giveaway - remember how we were all "Boo, hiss!" at Sirius before we found out the truth?

He's a goodie at heart

after you read please post your arguments or flaws in my theories as well as good praise.

Ok firstly a major quote from the book to help my theory-

"'Gotta see it from their point o'view,' said hagrid heavily.’I mean, it's always bin a bit of a risk sendin' a kid ter Hogwarts hasn' it? Yer expect accidents, don' yeh, with hundreds of under-age wizards all locked up tergether, but attempted murder, tha's different. 'S no wonder Dumbledore’s angry with Sn----' Hagrid stopped in his tracks, a familiar, guilty expression on what was visble of his face above his tangled beard. 'What?' said harry quickly. 'Dumbledore's angry with Snape?' 'I never said tha',' said hagrid, though his look of panic could not have been a bigger give-away. 'Look at the time, it's gettin' on fer midnight, I need ter---' 'Hagrid, why is Dumbledore angry with Snape/' harry asked loudly. 'Shhhh!' said hagrid looking both nervous and angry. 'Don' shout stuff like that, Harry, d'you wan' me ter lose me job? Mind, I don' suppose you'd care, would yeh, not now you've given up Care of Mag---' 'Don't try and make me feel guilty, it wont work!' said harry forcefully. 'What's Snape done?' 'I dunno, Harry, I shouldn'ta heard it at all! I - well, I was comin' outta the forest the other evenin' an' I over heard 'em talkin' - well' arguin'. Didn't like ter draw attention to myself, so I sorta skulked an' tried not ter listen, but it was a -well, a heated discussion, an' it wasn' easy ter block it out.' 'Well?' harry urged him, as Hagrid shuffled his enormous feet uneasily. 'Well - I jus' heard Snape sayin' Dumbledore took too much for granted an' maybe he - Snape - didn' wan' ter do it any more-' 'Do what?' 'I dunno, Harry it sounded like Snape was feelin' a bit overworked, tha's all - anyway, Dumbledore told him flat out he'd agreed ter do it an' that was all there was to it. Pretty firm with him.” From the chapter Elf Tails

What I gather from this is that snape and dumbledore were having an argument over the unbreakable vow. Which they have obviously talked about before where snape told him he had to kill him or die and Dumbledore being the good natured guy he is said okay. But now snape is having second thoughts on doing it. When snape said he took too much for granted he may be referring to harry being able to rid the world of voldemort as an unlikely cause (its obviously shown snape has his doubts about the boy). So he thinks killing Dumbledore will lead voldemort to victory. But Dumbledore be the firm good guy that he is, in believing in harry and not wanting a friend to die said I agreed do it!

Alright time to zoom into another part of the book the end of the lightning struck tower.
“Draco, do it, or stand aside so one of us –‘ screeched the woman, but at that precise moment the door to the ramparts burst open once more and there stood Snape, his wand clutched in hand as his black eyes swept the scene, from Dumbledore slumped against the wall, to the four death eaters, including a enraged werewolf and malfoy. ‘We’ve got a problem, Snape,’ said the lumpy Amycus whose eyes and wand alike were fixed alike on Dumbledore, ‘the boy doesn’t seem able –‘ But somebody else had spoken Snape’s name, quite softly. ‘Severus…’ The sound frightened Harry beyond anything he had experienced all evening. For the first time, Dumbledore was pleading. Snape said nothing, but walked forwards and pushed Malfoy roughly out of the way. The three Death eaters fell back without a word. Even the werewolf seemed cowed. Snape gazed for a moment at Dumbledore, and there was revulsion and hatred etched in the harsh lines of his face. ‘Severus … please…’ Snape raised his wand and pointed it directly at Dumbledore. ‘Avada Kedavra!’

So why talk about the death sequence you might ask yourself doesn’t it prove that snape is a bad guy? Well all I can tell you is read between the lines. I think that snape rushed in to see if Dumbledore was still alive and could be rescued. But there he met Dumbledore pleading for something. What I believe he was referring to his living up to the unbreakable vow that Snape had with Narcissa. When Snape approached there was “revulsion and hate in his eyes” I believe that this was there because of what Dumbledore was asking him to do. So with his utmost respect for Dumbledore Snape did as he was asked and killed Dumbledore.

Finally just two more paragraphs from the chapter “the flight of the prince”

‘Kill me, then,’ panted harry, who felt no fear at all, but only rage and contempt. ‘ Kill me like you killed him, you coward—‘ ‘DON’T –‘ screamed Snape, and his face was suddenly demented, inhuman, as though he was in as much pain as the yelping, howling dog stuck in the burning house behind them, ‘- CALL ME A COWARD!’

The thing you have to realize is that harry called snape a coward several times in the paragraphs before this but this time it struck a nerve. It referred to him killing Dumbledore. He took particular pain to this and screamed at the top of his lungs at harry. But wouldn’t you to if the thing you truly didn’t want to do but you did was thrown back to you as an insult?

So what do you think?

griffin_hayz_88:

tylarsteger thats a hypothesis many people have come up with throughout this thread, you should read the feed other people give so you dont say the same thing. But dont get me wrong I agree with your hypothesis in parts, very well made.

Sorry if I' repeating an old theory, but I don't think so, as far as I have read the posts here:
Here is a small essay, which tries to prove the next possibility:

Snapes Betrayal

How can we see him as a traitor without thinking that Dumbledore made a great mistake trusting Severus? Because if trusting Severus was the bigest mistake DD ever did, it would mean, Jo wants to tell us: It’s wrong thrusting people. It’s wrong giving someone a second chance. Once a villain, always a villain.

Why did Dumbledore trust Snape? We don’t know jet. But for all we know, he never hurt a student, or even allows a student to get hurt. Would it be a reason enough for DD to trust him? Maybe.

Is Snape loyal to Voldemort?

I think we can deny this question without waiting for the next book to come. Why? Because Snape did too much things to fight LV:

He fought against Quirell. O.K, he could explain that to Bella. Not enough.
He was saving Harry’s life when Quirell tried to kill him. Was he only paying his old life-debt back to James? Maybe.

He showed his DE-mark to Fudge, showing a prove that LV returned. That was the last thing LV wished: Making the fact public at that point.

He alarmed the order to save the prophecy. So, he saved Harry’s life, and LV failed to hear the prophecy.

Few weeks later, he saved DD’s life, after his accident with Marvolo’s ring.

No, he can’t be LV’s man.

But he can be on his own side. Loyal to himself. His main goal: Live long enough to tell the tale. Or: Live long enough to see LV conquered. No mater what it costs.

Why did he swear the UV?

Well, I think he cares about Draco. And I’m shore, he knew what was Draco supposed to do. Why?

What were the possibilities? What could be a task, practically impossible to do? A deed, even LV failed to succeed? One of the 3 possibilities:

1. To kill Harry: But Snape knew, LV wished to kill him himself, no DE was allowed to touch him.
2. To bring DE in the school. OK, maybe. And then, what should they do there? Learn DADA? See!
3. To kill Dumbledore.

This are the only 3 things LV never succeeded. And only the 3rd task made sense for Snape.

We agree: Snape knew what Draco’s task was. Because he is very good in putting 1+1 together. Then why on earth he agreed to do it, if he is against LV?

1. He knew LV meant him to kill DD anyway, should Draco fail. If he refused to do it, he was dead man anyway. LV never forgives DE disobeying his orders.

2. We already noticed that he cared a lot for Draco, maybe also for Narcissa. Otherwise he would have never gambled his life to protect him.

3. We knew Snape helped DD survive, only couple of days earlier. He teaches his pupils, that he was able to put a stopper to death. Maybe he just did it, put a stopper to death. He could stop, DD’s dying, but he couldn’t heal him, DD’s time was running out, he was leaving with borrowed time, and Snape knew that. DD knew that too, that’s why he teaches Harry everything he could, he went to visit the Dursleys, and he pushed Harry to get Slughorn's memory as soon as possible and took him in the cave. What if he hoped, he would never need to kill DD, because DD dyes before he is forced to act?

Once he made the UV, he never told DD the whole meaning of it. I’m shore, he told DD that he swore to protect Draco. But what if he never managed to tell him about the third part of his UV? If he hoped DD would never find that one out, dying sooner? That’s a betrayal of Dumbledore, but it doesn’t show that Snape was pure evil, it only shows that he is human. And it doesn’t make Dumbledore look as a poor, silly trusting old buffer. Even more, I see a parallel to the betrayal of Jesus by Judas. If Judas didn’t betray Jesus, he wouldn’t have died on the cross and there would be no Easter. In the terms of our story: There has to be a strong reason for Jo to make Snape kill Dumbledore. And ‘Dumbledore knows pretty much everything’. Maybe he knew very well about the possibility that Snape would betray his trust, that he might be the one to kill him, and just let it happen. Maybe he was able to foresee a profit even from the possibility of being murdered by his supposed friend. I mean, he knew Draco tried to kill him during the whole year and he never really tried to stop him. He knew that LV would ask Snape to kill him, sooner or later. What if he wanted to give him a free choice, let him decide if he was strong enough to do what is right instead of that, what is easy?

“DONT-CALL-ME-COWARD!” – This sentence, full of pain and despair, doesn’t necessary mean that he thinks that he was brave. I think it shows only that he feels cowardly, killing the only man ever trusted him fully, to save his own neck. Even if he killed Dumbledore on Dumbledore’s Order (which could happen, if he ever managed to tell him about the UV in his full context), this would only mean that he accepted Dumbledores sacrifice. And that wouldn’t be less cowardly – read the book as you like, with the act of killing Dumbledore SS was saving his own life, in the first line

What do you think?

I think all this Snape Good or Evil will be solved early in book 7.
(Forgive me if this has been said before)
Dumbledore will leave Harry a single thing in his will. His Pensieve. Well I guess two things, for there will be a memory in it. Harry will dive in and find Dumbledore having a conversation with Snape about him killing DD in order to help Harry in the future

Here's an incomplete theory i posted on another website that may sort of pull some threads together. Please tell me what you think.

Post 1:

On my first read-through of the book, I thought Snape was a horrible traiter, not in it for either DD or Voldy but only for himself. But then I started to read stuff to the contrary online and decided to read the book again. That’s when I became ambivalent toward Snape. There are many places in the book where Snape being evil seems to be refuted. I'll list a few of them and give you my take.

1) Spinner's End

a) The chapter name itself is evocative of the beginning end of a character who "spins" webs. This could either be the great strategist Dumbledore or the slick double agent Snape. Or it could mean both. I do not think after what Snape has done, regardless of his intent hewill make it out of the 7th book alive.

b) Petigrew's presence seems to suggest that Voldemort doesn’t' actually trust Snape.

c) IMHO, Snape is neither aware of the plan nor does he know what he's getting into. At some points, he is clearly playing for time and making things up as he goes along. His saying that maybe he can help seems to be a ploy to get more information.

d) I think that Snape was totally thrown for a loop in the unbreakable vow. He was perfectly willing to "help" Malfoy - which can be interpreted in multiple ways. When it comes to the part about Draco finishing the task, Snape knew he was in deep ****. He was not keen on finishing Draco's task even though he didn't know what it was, and he had already passed the point where he could have wriggled out of things without blowing his cover.

2) Draco's Detour - Snape was clearly trying to get info out of Malfoy. It seems Voldy didn't trust Snape enough to fill him in.

3) Hagrid's Slip of the tongue was very telling. This means DD was in on what shape knew and had told Snape to do something that was horrible. It couldn't have been watching Malfoy more closely, as Snape was already doing everything in his power. Maybe Snape didn't see a way out. I agree with many that by that point, DD knew what the task was and had told Snape. Maybe he told Snape that in a pinch, he had to consider his own life and the lives of others and do all in his power to save Malfoy. A tall order indeed.

4) The tower scene is very very perplexing. (more later, as this is so complex, it will get a post of it's own)

5) The Flight of the Prince: Snape not only gave Harry advice (albeit with a sneer), but a also refrained from harming Harry at all (until he lost his temper, and even then his curse didn't leave any damage), even preventing Harry from being tortured. This brings us to snape's reaction to being called a coward. Snape was only angry and sneering the first time he was called a coward, but the second time it really got to him, even to the point of causing him pain. You may ask why and the answer seems simple to me; one word: Context. As Harry so helpfully pointed out, he was in a very similar condition relating to Snape. This shows that Snape hated what he did, maybe what he had to do. He might have felt that what he did required extreme bravery, and he may have killed a man who was like a father to him. Then there's the issue of the position the killing put him in.

In summary, Snape's actions bring up more questions than they answer. I am of the opinion that although Snape is a very flawed man, he is not an evil one.

My thoughts were a bit jumbled there so I’ll probably come back and edit the post later. Ill also say what I think about the tower scene.

A great editorial about this is arguing that Snape is good can be found at www.mugglenet.com/infosection/opinion/hero.shtml
A good argument for Snape being evil is at www.mugglenet.com/infosection/opinion/severusoldfash.shtml

Post 2:

As to the question about it being preplanned or not, I have the following thoughts.
As we all know, Dumbledore is not omniscent, so i think it would have been very difficult for him to know ahead of time. The scene in the forest that Hagrid overhears fits into this in that Dumbledor probably would have deduced Draco's task and was filling Snape in. He may have told snape to carefully weigh the consequences of any action, to consider his own life, and to protect draco at all costs, even if it meant sacrificing Dumbledore. In other words, he may have been making contingency plans, just as he did with Harry. This would also explain why noone else in the order was aware of the plan; it's possible there was no concrete plan.

It's still very confusing tho. The suspense is killing me! :tantrum:

Cheers,
Acroman

This post was written by Melanie Louise:
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May I quickly give a warning to all those who have not yet finished reading the HBP > Unless you want the basic storyline to be spoiled for you then I suggest you read no further.

Now - down to business. Overall really, this is the debate that has been happening throughout the whole books.

IS SNAPE REALLY EVIL?

These are my thoughts and feel free to debate any.

I believe that Snape is innocent. When I read the degrading chapter that is the Lighting-Struck Tower I was in complete dismay. I couldn't believe it, I wouldn't believe it. It didn't feel right - I knew there was something we didn't no because how could Snape, who Dumbledore has entrusted for so long be fooled so easily. It just doesn't make sense that one of the most powerful wizards of all time could be so easily hoodwinked. True, Snape is an extrememly accomplished occulmens, but at the same time - Dumbeldore is an extremely profficient Legilimens as well. But that statement there does contradict myself I admit - because if people say that Dumbledore is such an excellent Legilimens, would he not have been able to see that Snape is evil? But then again, if I am debating the theory that Snape is innocent - if Voldemort as well is one of the most highly accomplished Legilimens of all time - how could he not have seen that Snape was not loyal to him?

Its a very touchy topic that raises as many questions as it does answers. In time we all know that our questions will be answered ubt in the meantime we are left hanging to speculate what could be. Maybe Snape really is just an awesomely accomplished Occulmens - because that answer supports both arguments of either Voldemort of Dumbledore are refusing to see something so obvious.

Back to the point - what makes me so sure that Snape is innocent? Because it doesnt feel right. I dont think it can be possible that Dumbledore - regardless how old and obsessive with love he is - can be blinded so easily.

So what is my theory? I believe that Dumbeldore asked Snape to kill him. Dumbledore was already dying and he was also aware of the fact that Snape had made the Unbreakable Vow. Therefore, Dumbledore knew that if Snape did not kill him (as Dumbledore was positive that Draco did not have to heart or the abilities to commit murder) that Snape would die. And in Dumbeldores opinion, Snape is the pinnacle to the Order of the Phoenix. Without Snape, the Order would be in complete darkness, as to what Lord Voldemort is planning. Snape is such a key element to the success of the defeat of Lord Voldemort, because Snape is Lord Voldemorts most trusted companion, and as long as Lord Voldemort is convinced of Snapes trust and loyalty, then the Order will have forever information on his whereabouts and plans. That being so, Dumbledore was prepared to sacrifice his life, than lose such an important factor to the success of the war.

Also, there is evidence in the book that supports my theory. These are so:

It all starts off in the very beginning, in the chapter Spinners End where Snape makes the Unbreakable Vow. Now when we at first read this we did not know what an Unbreakable Vow was - but we knew it mustn't be anything good if Snape was hesititating to consent to it.

there are some evidences that snape is innocent and that he didn't kill DD, on the chapter entitled "elf tails" SS and DD were arguing about something, about something snape didn't want to do anymore..and how come he's staying at spinner's end but when DD needed his help after he found the ring horcrux he was at hogwarts?and rufus told harry that two brooms and a STUPEFIED death eater was found on the lighting struck tower so they know that harry was with DD..harry did not stupefy the death eater he hex it with the full body-bind "petrificus totalus"..the "dead" DD was the only one there its possible that he stupefy the DE so it will not go after harry..the DE can easily perform the counter jinx for the full body-bind curse he was holding his wand.

Well I don't know where to post it so I'll post it there because it's concern Snape.

I was reading for the fifth time the sixth book and something embarrased me.

Just before I'll start, I must say that I have the French version and it can be a translation mistake but I don't think so.

When I read the chapter 2 Spinners End, after Snape told how he did got the trust of Dumbledore , there's a sentence (I have the book in French so it's not the same

Snape turn out to is SISTER
You told, you had something to ask me NARCISSA

NARCISSA BLACK--SISTER OF SIRIUS BLACK
SEVERUS SNAPE---BROTHER OF NARCISSA BLACK
SEVERUS SNAPE---BROTHER OF SIRIUS BLACK????????????

Snape's Sirius brother??????

Well sorry it's because in french it's said that Snape is Narcissa brother, so Sirius would be is cousin. And if Sirius is Snape's cousin
then the mother of Sirius should be a prince. I don't think it as something to do with the plot but it's a fact in the french book

I believe snape is betraying voldemort. I was just reading "the Cave" chapter, and I realized sumthin. I think when DD was drinking the potion he saw what is going to happen. I think he was seeing his own mind, because in his mind when talking to the death eaters, he was saying for them to hurt him and not the students, and when it comes to the part when he says "KILL ME!!" I believe he's saying that to snape. DD was pleading for snape to kill him. Snapes hatred on his face was probably because of what DD was asking him to do, and snape didn't want to. And when it finally comes down to harry calling snape a coward, this makes snape mad because he did a really tough thing, and sumthin he didn't want to do, and he had to pull up courage to kill DD.

I think that snape is really betraying voldy. Remeber when narcissa asked him to make a vow that he would look after malfoy while malfoy was doing voldy task. After sanpe and the other death earters flee i remeber harry calling him a coward. He say dont call me a coward. I think what this probably meant is he has put his life in danger by breaking he vow he made and he may die and that is mighty brave thing to do. I am not sure this is just a theory.

SEVERUS IS INNOCENT!!!!
1. Felix Felicis
2. Why Half-Blood Prince book only given to Harry?
3. A wizard will have a heart-connection after being helped by another wizard. James Potter helped him from werewolf Lupin, so he really owed to someone that he really hated. That's why Dumbledore said that he hated JAmes more, because he hated him and he can't do any revenge.
4. Snape teached Expelliarmus in Dwell Club. We know that this spell which really effective for fighting against Death Eater
5. Maybe there'll be a painting of DD, so he didn't absolutely death.

i dont know what to think about it, i m very confused about sanpe true intentions and whats made me more confused is that jk rowling said in the reading weekend in edimburg castle to melisa from leacky cauldron about , been to positive the ones who thinks snape is good i dont know maybe she really tricks us, and sanpe has been bad all this time and dumbledore as wrong about it , dumbledore himself has mistaken before like in the 5 book when he said harry that he forgot who the young people feel and think . i dont know i hope im wrong because deep down i always like to hate snape but in the good way, he is a good characther in the school the always hated teacher nobody wants but always loyal to dumbledore i hope.

ps snape please i trust you