I really dont know...
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I really dont know...
I'm going to let this slide this time because I guess you've said everything you wanted to in the poll, but you really should be posting more than one line here. 
Just for future reference.
Just for future reference.
I chose 'I dunno'. I presume that since it is in the Ministry of Magic, and the Ministry was created by wizards, that whenever the headquarters were built the Department was added. It isnt necisarrily a place where Voldemort lurks and a bunch of teens run after him but a place where all top-secret info is kept.
Chris
Chris
I put the 1989 thing, but shouldn't you have put "It was made at the same time the Ministry of Magic was made". I think this is right because it is part of the MoM. So.... why not?
1- It has been created the same time the Earth was - it's kind of part of it
Surely not!
2- It was created by men in about 500 before JC
Unlikely..remember the entrance..
3- Men discovered it in 1989 and think it has been made by a very powerful wizard
No the ministry of magic has been created much time before!
4- Same thing as #3 but I think the powerful wizard was actually Voldermort! This is how he gets his Inferi (archway)! But then the Minister of Magic stole it from him without even knowing it was Voldermort's!
Impossible, how can the ministry be there only since 50 years??
The most possible theory is between "500 before JC" and "1989" which we can't choose.
Surely not!
2- It was created by men in about 500 before JC
Unlikely..remember the entrance..
3- Men discovered it in 1989 and think it has been made by a very powerful wizard
No the ministry of magic has been created much time before!
4- Same thing as #3 but I think the powerful wizard was actually Voldermort! This is how he gets his Inferi (archway)! But then the Minister of Magic stole it from him without even knowing it was Voldermort's!
Impossible, how can the ministry be there only since 50 years??
The most possible theory is between "500 before JC" and "1989" which we can't choose.
How can the departement of mystery be created as same tiome as Earth. It's impossible. Sure it has been created about the same time as the Ministry.
But, there's many thing we can ask
How can they bring a such powerful power as love in a room, without knowing how it work (hey that's a good topic idea)
But, there's many thing we can ask
How can they bring a such powerful power as love in a room, without knowing how it work (hey that's a good topic idea)
I don't think any of those are right, so I choose I don't know. I think what people have been saying is more erelivant; the ministry creating it. I think the department of mysteries may have been built by a very differcult magic. The spells in that room were probably made by some spells that might be new to even Dumbledore. I think it was created some time around the minisrty, maybe a bit earlier or latter, but around the same time.
Lachy
Lachy
I'd like to know why people care when it was made.
And another things, stupid people (cuz this just bugged me).
Voldemort does not get his Inferi through the veil. DUH! Go back and read the part of Half-Blood Prince when Inferi are explained. During the rein of Voldemort's power, he had an army of Inferi because of all the people killed by his cause. Death Eaters re-animate the bodies to do their bidding!
And another things, stupid people (cuz this just bugged me).
Voldemort does not get his Inferi through the veil. DUH! Go back and read the part of Half-Blood Prince when Inferi are explained. During the rein of Voldemort's power, he had an army of Inferi because of all the people killed by his cause. Death Eaters re-animate the bodies to do their bidding!
| QUOTE (JRC11828 @ Jan 18 2006, 05:23 PM) |
| I'd like to know why people care when it was made. |
This may be one of the key questions to be answered in the last book.
Last night I was thinking about dementors, and I came up with
this post today. (It's at the bottom.)
In short, dementors are not like other magical creatures like dragons. There are no baby dementors or dementor mothers.
They appear to be "made creatures," like the Nazgul in the Lord Of the Rings, whom they closely resemble.
The secret of how to make dementors is probably locked up somewhere within the Department of Mysteries. As is the secret of who made the first Horcrux, and how many have been made before Voldemort started to mass-produce them.
Now, to answer your question. The Department of Mysteries seems to have been created for 3 porposes:
1) To keep hidden from the general wizzarding community, some of the darkest, evilest, and most destructive magics that were used in the past 2000 or more years,
2) To provide a place where the Forces of Good can research these evil magics, in case they need to might them again, and
3) To store for safekeeping, some dangerous but not necessarily evil things like the Prophesies and the Mirror of Erised.
When was it created? Long enough ago so that all wizzards, except for a few from the oldest pureblood families, have forgotten about things like Horcruxes, ancient evil magics so dangerous that almost all knowledge of them has been supressed. That would take hundreds of years.
1875, the date given for the creation of the Statute Against Underage Use of Magic, seems too recent for the beginning of this program of secrecy. Probably some time in the 1500s would be about right. 1350 would be about the earliest likely date, because the (real) muggle literature of the 1300s still treats dark magic and witchcraft as real, believed-in happenings.
I agree with SiriusB1214. I chose 'I dunno' because I really have no idea. The MoM would have created it to hide their secrets from the public, and it would have had to have been a little while after the MoM was created because it would have taken a while to think up and create. I don't really know why it's important, but SiriusB1214 sounded like they knew what they were talking about.
I liked the idea of number 3. Wouldn't that be horrible if Voldemort used Sirius' body as Infiri against Harry? Poor Harry! That would be just awful, wouldn't it? 
I actuallt don't think the departement of Mysteries was founded beacuse of it's location, i think that even the wizards of old times knew that there were a lot of things that they don't know and founded the departement because of that... And the location... it might just be possible that they didn't find it but that they moved all the stuff there so it wouldn't be just for anyone to find it unravel it's mysteries, they're trying to do it in a closed area so that as few as possible are damaged if somethings goes wrong...
ya how do all those things get there. especially the room with love. its not gonna be like:
"Bob what do you wanna do?"
"Wll Bill lets study something odd."
"I know, love!"
"But how will we carry it?"
"I'll just grab some with my hands and put it in a cardboard box!"
"Then?"
"Put some good ol' duct tape on it."
"Ya."
"We can make a shack, open the door, throw the box in and open the box, then close the door before it can get out."
"Sure, then we can study it!"
You cant take something imcomprehensable and inunderstandable and untangable and just make a room and put it in there to study it.
Most of the others I remember make sense, just not the veil. Like the prophecy room just like stores the prophecies. But with the veil, you cant make a passage to death.:
"I'm bored, how can we kill 4 and a half minites?"
"Lets create a hyperdimensional quantum spactime field triuniversial heptadimensional energy particle warp rifter which can take people to death!"
"Ok! supercalifragalisticexpialidocious!"
"Sweet, its done."
"We still got 2 minitues 17 seconds to kill."
It just does not make sense. I can not think of anything. JK will just probably come up with some super cool awesome thing to explain everything like those in book 7.
"Bob what do you wanna do?"
"Wll Bill lets study something odd."
"I know, love!"
"But how will we carry it?"
"I'll just grab some with my hands and put it in a cardboard box!"
"Then?"
"Put some good ol' duct tape on it."
"Ya."
"We can make a shack, open the door, throw the box in and open the box, then close the door before it can get out."
"Sure, then we can study it!"
You cant take something imcomprehensable and inunderstandable and untangable and just make a room and put it in there to study it.
Most of the others I remember make sense, just not the veil. Like the prophecy room just like stores the prophecies. But with the veil, you cant make a passage to death.:
"I'm bored, how can we kill 4 and a half minites?"
"Lets create a hyperdimensional quantum spactime field triuniversial heptadimensional energy particle warp rifter which can take people to death!"
"Ok! supercalifragalisticexpialidocious!"
"Sweet, its done."
"We still got 2 minitues 17 seconds to kill."
It just does not make sense. I can not think of anything. JK will just probably come up with some super cool awesome thing to explain everything like those in book 7.
I said that man discovered it in 1989 but do you think this will be really significant? I doubt it’ll have nothing to do with DH. It would be interesting to know though.
I have no idea. Think about it logically, the ministry of magic is in the middle of London, One can therefore deduct that it is relatively newish(as in not millions or thousands of years old, newish relative to the age of the earth) How old is London???? It eliminates the idea of the DoM being created prehistorically .
Then again, in order to create something, you need to have a basic understanding of WHAT you are creating and HOW it works????? But no-one knows how it works, so who created it?????
Aliens?????
Then again, in order to create something, you need to have a basic understanding of WHAT you are creating and HOW it works????? But no-one knows how it works, so who created it?????
Aliens?????
Yeah, it's possible that the dept. of mysteries has been around, in SOME form or another for hundreds of years. I imagine that it hasn't always been located in the MoM, b/c it's probably ony been there as long as the ministry has been there. But I always sort of thought that the department of mysteries might have parallels to hogwarts, actually. For example, maybe it started about a thousand years before, be a select group of people who were committed to studying and understanding magic at its most mysterious. But perhaps they figured that common knowledge of their studies might frighten people--or maybe they just didn't want their secrets to get out--and so unlike the hogwarts founders, their society became sort of secret--and as time went on, it was incorporated into the MoM, but it retained its shadowy nature. I don't know---that sounds a bit da vinci code upon rereading it, but that's always how I imagined it.
no idea
I think that some form of ministry has stood there sinse there were enough witches and wizards to form a ministry which must mean it is very old. Its essential.
I chose the "I dont know" option because I think something different than what was up on the poll list... I think the Department of Mysteries was built at the same time (or after) the Ministry of Magic was built... I think was created as a research facility, but overtime grew to be secretive and started researching more complex things and ideas...but thats just me 
Hmm...I've been thinking.
Maybe the Veil and the Archway were always there, and the DoM and MoM were built around it. Just a idea.
=]
Maybe the Veil and the Archway were always there, and the DoM and MoM were built around it. Just a idea.
=]
I think it was always being studied in some way by various wizards and when the ministry was formed the just assembled everything together in one department. i also think that most of the work was being done before the department was assembled. Although i do think the archway is really ancient and just sort of there and wizards studied it. But since we will never really know whats in the locked room i can't comment on that. But this whole topic got me thinking surely there must be a department of mysteries in every country. What kind of stuff would be in them?
At first I didnt really know about this but if you think about it, the veil must be really old and magical. And considering that the best wizard of the time, Dumbledore, doesn't have much to do with the ministry, then it has probably been there for a long time. That makes me think that the ministry woud have been built around the veil.
I really have no idea how the Department of mysteries was created. There are so many possibiliteis of how it was created, but if I were to guess I would say it was a department to store all prophecies made by seers like the prophecy of Harry and Voldemort.
Strange question,I must say..........The elements of Mystry dept are part of the Earth,but the structures are definitely man-made!By the look of it,the archways are encient,but when??????
Well,thats y i chose NO IDEA!
Well,thats y i chose NO IDEA!
Original Poster - your choices don't really make sense and are limited. Perhaps you should revise them.
I think the Department of Mysteries was created. Weel why it was created is a mystery to me! Well not why but when. It was presumably created to investigate myseries known to wizardkind. Sorry that was obvious. But when is an interestinf question.
I think the Department of Mysteries was created. Weel why it was created is a mystery to me! Well not why but when. It was presumably created to investigate myseries known to wizardkind. Sorry that was obvious. But when is an interestinf question.
I have absolutely how or why the Department of Mysteries was made. I find the Veil confusing and I'm still a little uncertain what happens beyond it. I think this Department is aptly named and any guess is going to be pure speculation.
Well, something always told me in the back of my mind that the Department of Mysteries was put there during the Age of Reason, where the human mind began to thirst for understanding and how everything worked. Perhaps wizards and witches wondered 'Hey, if I can freeze people and make thing float, I wonder if I can bring back my aunt or gain more knowledge.' Well, maybe not exactly like that. What I'm saying is that Wizards, like Muggles, wanted to learn more about their special ability.
So, they ran tests on Time, Death, Knowledge/the Brain/Human Mind and Love.
If they wanted to know about all of these things, could they have wanted control over a person-the Imperious Curse? Perhaps, whilst meddling with all of these categories, the Imperious and Avada Kedavra Curses were found. This leads me to wonder-could these wizards have been Dark Wizards.
So, maybe the Ministry of Magic was put where it is to guard the Department of Mysteries from Lord Voldemort, for who knows what he could do with the power of love, conquer it, quench it?
SPOILER!!!! btw, I know Voldie is dead, but when he wasn't, you know.
And, when the ministry had rule ofer the Department, maybe they decided to experiment with it themselves...
Any agreements? Disagreements?
So, they ran tests on Time, Death, Knowledge/the Brain/Human Mind and Love.
If they wanted to know about all of these things, could they have wanted control over a person-the Imperious Curse? Perhaps, whilst meddling with all of these categories, the Imperious and Avada Kedavra Curses were found. This leads me to wonder-could these wizards have been Dark Wizards.
So, maybe the Ministry of Magic was put where it is to guard the Department of Mysteries from Lord Voldemort, for who knows what he could do with the power of love, conquer it, quench it?
SPOILER!!!! btw, I know Voldie is dead, but when he wasn't, you know.
And, when the ministry had rule ofer the Department, maybe they decided to experiment with it themselves...
Any agreements? Disagreements?
i think it was created with the earth, but, it was slowly discovered by amazing witches and wizards through-out time, and they have added their knowledge and findings to the department of mysteries
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