Alright so I've got it all worked out.

Ron and Hermione will have gotten together earlier in the book. And Ron will seriously be completely in love with Hermione. So I think in the big battle scene that's likely to occur in the end, Voldemort will go to attack Hermione. Ron will jump in front of the death curse to save her, therefore creating the whole love-bond thing that Harry's mother gave him when she died for him out of love. Since Ron will have loved Hermione and he'll have died for her, why can't this save her?

Although, I really do not wish for any of the trio to die, I unfortunately find it inevitable

i actually don't think that harry will die, despite all the contradictory.
i mean, it seem so unnatural to start a novel, imaging harry as this great saviour, who has to deafeat voldermort, cos of some prophecy, and then he jus dies with voldermort. I mean, then wat was the point of starting the whole romance thing between harry & ginny in HBP, if he jus dies in book 7.
I do agree that ron & hermione won't die, because there is no paticular reson for them to die. I also rekon that malfoy will realise his wrong ways, and help fight against voldermot with harry & the rest. As to Sirius being dead, i rekon that he's just trapped in a lost dimension on the other side of the veil & is still alive. Now, i honestly don't know if hagrid might perish , but in my opinion it seems quite unlikely.

whoa, i stop posting in this thread for like, two weeks and theres already 37 pages!

i think that harry wont die, because theres a rumor that the last sentence will be "harry, what happened to your scar?" so obviously for that harry has to be alive. and i do think that ron will sacrifice himself for hermoine, it just looks so obviuos that he would. and hermoine or ron will have to die, because jk said that two main characters will die, one being either harry or voldy (i think it'll be voldy!) and another being either ron or hermoine. or it could be snape or some other main character but it doesnt seem likely. although i do hope snape dies.

i think bellatrix or lucious or some other DE will end up being the next Dark Lord.i mean, there is always evil in the world, and it just seems natural that somebody will take the place of voldy.

I don't care much for Ron dying in order to save Hermione, but to have a bond formed of love....uhhh . I don't think that that would happen. Too repetitive and "Lily-ish". And if every time someone died for a loved one, a protection was formed, then Voldemort would end up having no one to murder. Harry's incident is unique and unusual, so if this happened to others, it wouldn't be much so.

i wonder why though it is only for harry that the love protection would work. lily and james and harry were ordinary wizards, but somehow, lily formed this protection for harry by dying for him. dumbledore mentioned that that protection of love was one of the oldest tricks/protections, but how could it be so if it only is a special case for harry? i agree, if this love bond worked for everyone, many loving family members and friends would die for their loved ones, and voldemort wouldn't be able to touch any of the protected people. my question is, why deos it only work in harry's case?

This is a theory I have been brewing on for a very long time now give it some thought and you will see it makes sense.
First off, Harry Potter will kill Lord Voldemort and that is final.
Second, all of us know that Harry has one weapon in his favor in the battle against Voldemort, just one, but a big one. Love, the feeling of love. Voldemort cannot love, it is impossible for him to love, it just does not grow on him, he has no feelings for no one and that is something Harry has on him.
But as Harry himself wonders how can he use a feeling to win a war, a battle against the greatest dark wizard of all time? Lord Voldemort, I did not know until I thought about it hard, and it is not the feeling of love that will give him the strength to win but rather what the feeling unlocks on the wizard, in this case, Harry Potter.
Let me explain more into it, 15 years ago, Voldemort showed up in Godric's Hollow more than ready to destroy Harry Potter, and he could have obviously done so if it wasnt for Lily Potter, she sacrificed herself for her son, showing pure Love, thus giving Harry super protection, that not even The Killing - Curse could penetrate. This great and awsome shield was given to Harry by the feeling of Love.
So here it is, Harry Potter will unlock his love, not as a weapon, but as a within strenght. All the memories, gifts and knowledge given to him from people killed by Voldemort will unlock Love on Harry, it will remind him of all the people that have died for him because they loved him and then he will realize that he is fighting to avenge those loved ones, to give life a chance, to fight for everyone that mattered to him. James & Lily Potter, his parents, Cedric, Sirius and Dumbledore. He will unleash incredible powers because of these feelings, that awkwardly have been fed to him by Voldemort himself. Harry will unleash spells beyond Voldemort's power, shielding spells, attacking spells, and Harry Potter will win. Voldemort will be no match for The Boy Who Lived.

Pretty interesting theory, and quite possible actually, but just for the record, Cedric Diggory did not sacrifice himself for Harry. He just died becuase he happened to be in the worng place at the wrong time. He wasn't supposed to appear beside Harry clutching the Tri-wizard cup. If he wasn't there, he wouldn't have died.

And I still think that Harry might die though.

it is a very good theory Chacho, and i agree with you that harry will use the love to defeat voldemort. im not exactly sure how he can unlock it though. also, voldemort has harry's blood running through his veins, so he has the same protection in his blood that harry's mother gave him, which allows voldemort to touch harry now without hurting himself. this may seem like a bad thing, but i think there is more behind it though. when harry told dumbledore about voldemort using harry's blood to bring him back to human form in GOF, it says that for a second, dumbledore had a look of thriumph in his eyes, and harry saw that, but then convinced himself that he imagined it. i wonder, and this is just a thought, if harry uses the love inside him, then voldemort will experience that love too, and be defeated. since they have a connection between them that allows them to feel each others feelings, i wonder if this would be possible. i never really believed that in the end, harry would kill voldemort with the killing curse, or that harry is a horcrux. their wands have a hard enough time as it is fighting against each other ( in GOF), so i think harry has to defeat voldemort in some other way than the killing curse.

That is a very good thought. But it could be kind of hard, I mean you say if Harry feels love than Voldemort will too.. I dunno I mean Voldemort has been killing a lot people when Harry has been happy and feeling love like when he was with Ginny. But that could be a link on the battle between them two.
UnknownLocket i not only said that sacrifised themselves for Harry but also people that mattered to him. Cedric did.

Here's a thought and i'm sorry if this is classed as a 'one liner'. Have you ever thought that the only way Harry can kill Voldemort is by dying himself? i think it could make sense. but that is just my thought.
See Ya
Love Megs


Here's a thought and i'm sorry if this is classed as a 'one liner'. Have you ever thought that the only way Harry can kill Voldemort is by dying himself? i think it could make sense. but that is just my thought.
See Ya
Love Megs

It is true that the prophecy never says that either Voldemort or Harry will prevail over the other. Both could wind up dying, but I can't see how that would wind up being a good ending. I think that since Dumbledore has been mentioning love as Harry's ultimate weapon from the beginning, how Harry kills Voldemort must have something to do with love, in some form. As they have said, Dumbledore's shrewd ideas tend to be correct.

I do not undertand how they could end up dying. to me that is a loophole you all found to the prophecy. The prophecy says one cannot live while the other one is around. One of them will die and the other one will live, both of them cannot die it just does not make sense at all

Stopping Voldemort killing various people Harry neither knows nor has heard of seems to be a little vague in what Harry's unharnessed love could do, after all, this was before Harry knew just how strongly he could love someone (i.e. before he got together with Ginny) and he doesn't know how to direct his love as a weapon (being very crude, i know but just working the kinks out of another theory) and he doesn't know just wehn or where Voldemort is going to kill somebody or is killing somebody. Also, while Voldemort may feel it when Harry is feeling very strong love, he won't actually feel love since he is incapable of it; I think that he will feel it more as pain or something similar to that, and perhaps the slight pain he feels when Harry is feeling love for just one or two people who are still in his life is only enough to cause him some discomfort and perhaps angers him more but when Harry finally manages to collect all the love he fells, i.e for his parent, Sirius, Cedric, Dumbledore all his friends, Ginny, etc then the sheer amount of love he is feeling will cause a lot more than slight discomfort to Voldemort.



Plenty of people have thought this, and so I ask you why you think it?



You're right, the prophecy says "One must die at the hand of the other for neither can live while the other surives." and so it is perfectly possible that one of them will kill the other one and will then be killed in the aftermath or will simply die of exhaustion from the effort of killing the first. You may not like the ending but that doesn't necessarily make it a bad one; a good ending is one which ties up the story but may still leave some loose ends for you to ponder over and if them both dying is what has to happen then they both shall die.



It is a loophole we found in the prophecy, but it is there for a reason and was meant to be found and is a perfectly viable loophole to use in theories that both Harry and Voldemort will/can die. The prophecy never says that "one will live and the other will die", in fact it never states how many people will die or whether it will be one of the two or both of them who die and so it is theoretically perfectly possible for them to both die (not necessarily be killed, but die) without Rowling having to backtrack on herself and unravell part of the web she ravelled herself, it is also possible in terms of literature: the hero dying a heroic death; the classic not having to carry on with books; etc.

I have a question and i want to hear some opinions.

Now is it just me or is DD mentioned as being very "brainy"/smart oftin in HBP? is that a little clue for us? Did DD have some sort of grand plan for if he died? It sounds like it to me, what do you think?

the way i see it, either Dumbledore's death was just as simple as snape murdered him, or there was some major planning behind it. i think that dumbledore did have some sort of plan for harry if he died...i mean dumbledore may be a little crazy at times, but he is the most powerful wizzard and is always prepared. im sure that dumbledore will give guidence to harry and tell him the plan if harry goes back to visit his portrit at hogwarts. harry will then use that plan to help defeat dumbledore in the end.

Please! No one will be able to write about Harry Potter so long as JK owns the rights to him. His being alive or dead makes no difference whatsoever. And if someone else were to get the rights to Harry then they'd be able to bring him back from the dead somehow. Most likely by using time travel.

The prophecy says that no one can kill Harry except for Voldermort until Voldermort is dead and no one can kill Voldermort except for Harry until Harry is dead. As soon as one of them kills the other, the survivor is game for anybody else.

I think Harry will die and also Voldemort
If Harry save once again, it will be a too sweet ending
But if Voldemort can kill Harry, I can imagine how to the witch world will be
it will be the worst night mare

if both of them die, maybe the world can reach the equilibrium
peace everywhere

about death eater, maybe
they don't know how they life can be without any protection from Voldemort
and most of them will leave dark art wizard

yeah,
I can't say that this is a happy ending
but at least, most wizard can live in peace

I think Voldemort will die, but Harry won't.

I can't see both of them dieing.

Harry's so much a part of everyone who reads the seris and a great part of JKR, and ig he were to die, everyone would be mourning for weeks!

The last chapter is summarising what happens to those who survive.

I think Neville will die (Which i hope he doesn't, but i can sort of see it coming. Sorry about my lousy reasons-i either see something coming, or i don't!)

And i also think that Mr Weasley will become minister for magic. (It was to be believed that it would be mr Weasley for the minister job, until Rufus got the job.) so i think Mr Weasley deserves it.

Eh, these are just my thoughts. I know i don't support them very well-i can either see something coming, or i don't! (Like i said before).

P.S When i say i can see something coming, i'm not saying that i'm physic or anything! Just that i can see something happening. Just like you would go "Ha! I can just see her jumping around like that!" i can go "Ha! I can just see Neville dieing!"

There are so many possibilities to what might happen in book 7,the thing i am dreading most is if Harry actually dies in book 7. I really hope that doesnt happen because then im sure people would riot. Another possibility is that maybe Harry defeats voldy and finds that all his adventures had been a dream.If thats the case that would also be a ripoff.

I think it will end with a big plan made by dumbledore from the very VERY beginning...
I support that DD time travel threoy an stuff. and there is noway in the world that J.K would make it all A dream.. i she did i'd be ****ed off

Now.. I don`t know what will happen and I am not sure of anything.. I have read your theories and there are very interesting.. but I think JK Rowling wants to give us an unexpected ending, maybe Voldemort won`t die and Harry will. Maybe viceversa. Maybe Malfoy will protect Harry. Maybe Snape will protect Harry. Maybe Ron, Hermione or Ginny will be under Imperio spell and will go to Voldemort`s side and give information about Harry. We are not sure about anything. Soon, the book will be finished and we will see. In my opinion, I don`t want to know what it will happen because I want to have a surprise until the last chaper

P.S: I hope this book will be veeeery big. I want more Harry Potter (

ahh i am so impatient and i seriously can't wait to see how the whole plot comes out. but i have to say, i agree with all of you who said that people would riot if harry died. why kill him off after writing the whole series and making movies and such about harry and his world if he is just going to end up dead after it all.

I'm trying my best to stay optomistic. I think that Harry has to live because it seems somewhat wrong to devote your life to writing a very long series that results in the main character's death. The classic ending would be Voldemort dying. But then, I don't think that Rowling cares about following tradition. In the fifth book there is the battle between Dumbledore and Voldemort. Dumbledore makes a point of saying that there are more ways to defeat a man besides death. In the prophecy it says that the one who has the power to defeat the dark lord approaches. It never mentions death. You see, "defeat" doesn't necessarily mean death, but more as winning or overpowering. So, I think that Harry is going to find some way to defeat Voldemort. I don't exactly know what he is going to do, but it'll be something.
The trio'll live. Draco might come to the "good" side. I see Snape dying a hero's death...but I'm not sure.

well, in my opinion,i think somehow JK will "kill" both voldy and harry. i mean, she did say she doesn't like happy endings. maybe somehow harry needs to sacrifice himself in order to defeat voldy(?) ...and i think harry might be one of the horcruxes. harry does has some of voldy's powers and he can see through voldy's eyes. voldermort also leaves a scar on harry --- maybe as a mark to remember him that harry is one of his horcruxes?? anyhow, there must be a close connection between them and JK is sure to give us a big, twisted surprise (like dumbledore's death )

anyways, it's just what i think and don't be too ****ed off by it. but i still hope to have a happy ending from JK

i still don't see how harry can be a horcurx if he is destined to defreat voldemort. to defeat voldemort, harry needs to destroy ALL of the horcuxes. if harry was a horcrux, he would have to kill himself, but then if harry is dead, how can voldemort be defeated then if harry is the only one who can defeat him?? let me know if im wrong, but i see no way that harry can be a horcux and still defeat voldemort and live.

i think that ginny will play a big part in the last book because she has been close to harry seince CoS. she might not though?
i htink sirius is definetly dead & DD

i am of the opinion that

1. Ginny is going to try to go with Harry, Ron, and Hermione

2. Voldemort and Harry are both going to die. I don't like it, but i think it will happen if JKR decides to become a tragedy writer.

hopefully, she'll decide to go with the comedy approach and Harry lives, defeats Voldemort, and they all live happily ever after (not going to happen most likely, but i can hope).

but i do think that harry dies, but takes voldemort down with him (as much as i hate it)

just out of curiosity, but HOW would harry and voldemort both die. ive never quite understood how both of them can die, or how they would manage that. i can see how one can kill the other (but of course, i am leaning towards the harry lives/voldemort dies side ) but i can never figure out the "harry is a horcrux" theory or the "both harry and voldemort die" theory. can someone please tell me their logical theories as to how these two theories could happen?

hmm maybe like this

"Harry, I'll never die... as long as your alive" so harry goes up to voldemort and kills him and knowing harry has the Last remaining part of the soul in him.. (means when he dies voldemort dies with him) he kills himself so voldy cant come back (threw harry)

If voldemort only has one soul left and its in someones body then he will have to do the thing he did with Quriel in the first book... so harry can still control himself so himself so he points his wand to himself and knowing that he has the power to use AV he used it on himself, Why does he have the power to use the AV curse now? because the power of love, the power of saving the people he loves is helping him... helping him use AV


Well i may be 100% wrong and i probaly am... was just guessing for yah because no-one else was gunna explain it.. :/

Ok, I think you are misunderstanding how horcruxes work. It sounds as if you are getting your understanding of horcruxes as being something like Pirates of the Carribean: Dead Man's Chest (a peice of soul being something like the heart that is kept in a box away from the person. destroy the heart in the box, kill the person). It's not quite like that here. From what we have been told, the best understanding is that a horcrux splits the soul. Part of it remains in the person. It works as a sort of anchor that ties the soul to a place. The other piece of the soul (the one in Voldemort himself) can't go on while the piece of soul in the horcrux remains. Ok, I'm not being very clear. Let's go back for a moment.

You only need one horcrux (remember that no wizard has ever made more than one). When a wizard creates a horcrux, the soul is split in two. One piece is inside the person and the other piece is inside the horcrux. When a person dies, the piece inside the person is released (not destroyed, just released). This piece is now like the "less-than-the-meanest-ghost" Voldemort we see in book 1. It has no body, but isn't destroyed. It would normally go on to wherever the dead go in Harry Potter (through the veil?), but now it can't because of the horcrux. so it remains on earth. Voldemort created 7 horcrux simply because he wanted extra insurance. By dividing the soul into 7 parts, the soul would be protected by the magical power of 7. also, the soul would be put into several parts, so that if one were destroyed, he would still have the insurance of the others.

Killing Harry (if harry was a horcrux) wouldn't kill Voldemort. It would simply allow him to be able to be killed. Remember what RAB wrote: "I face death in the hope that when you meet your match you will be mortal once more." Voldemort is immortal until the horcrux is destroyed (or, in this case, all the horcruxes are destroyed). Does that make sense?

So, hp1, to answer your question, what would need to happen if Harry were indeed a horcrux would be for harry to die, but, before dying, set into motion some event that would cause voldemort to die after Harry died. one suggestion is that harry would pull Voldemort through the veil. Harry would go through the veil first, making Voldemort mortal. Voldemort would then fall through after him, thus dying. Does that make sense?

-Fish

yes, thank you, savingharry, but it just seems so complicated to kill off both harry and voldemort, don't you think? i mean, without one of the two worlds, or sides to write about, and what happens after one is defeated, what else is there to write about. i know the last chapter is just going to talk about what happened to the surviving characters, but how would the second last chapter end?...just harry and voldemort both dying?...and then cut right to the last chapter? also, if scar is the last word in the book, i wonder how that would come into play.

I was just thinking the same thing! I was wondering who was going to die,
and remembered someone saying two main characters would die....
First, I though Remus Lupin would because he was now closer to Harry since
Sirius died in OotP, also I thought about Hermione and
Ron- that would have a huge affect on Harry. But Ginny dying would
be terribly painful for Harry......

oh no! i just had this horrible thought.. what if all of the weasleys die?! horrible thought... ginny might die.. but i think lupin will die, possibly snape. Here's how i think it will end: Harry will die and Voldemort will die.

Here's a theory for the whole 'Harry-is-a-horcux-thing':

On the night that Voldemort came to Godric's Hollow he killed Lilly & James which caused his soul to split and maybe instead of intending to kill Harry he made Harry a horcrux Therefore Harry would have to sacrifice himself so that Voldemort would die.

I'm not sure how horcruxes are made so this could be completely wrong but I don't think Harry could be a horcrux here's why:

If Harry were a Horcrux, would sacrificing himself really kill Voldemort because if they get rid of all the other horcruxes the only horcruxes left will be Harry and Voldemort himself. So technically if Harry dies it wouldn't kill Voldemort but it would only make him weaker. This would mean someone else would have to finish him off. Wasn't it that only Harry could finish Voldemort off? Therefore I don't think Harry is a horcrux.

i agree that it would be difficult for jk to write harry in as a horcrux, just because he HAS to destroy voldemort. unless she makes it so that he doesn't die. but could the prophecy mean that like, <if harry is a horcrux> then he can get voldemort the weakest he could be and therefore like, give the power to finish voldemort off to someone else?
sorry i'm not very clear, just wondering...?
~claire

my idea of the ending is unrealistic. i want voldemort and all of his daeth eaters dead and none of the good guys to die.
now heres what the sad reality in my opinion is that voldemort will use ginny some how and as sad i am to admit this a weasly i think and i am hoping against hope that a weasly might die

Voldemort won't become weaker as Harry destroys his horcruxes, just less human, his intellectual and magical abilities will still be as strongas ever and the prophecy doesn't allow Harry to pass on the power to defeat Voldemort, not to mention the fact that this is something Harry feels he needs to do as well as something he wants to do and so he wouldn't want to pass on the responsibility to someone else.

this is a little off topic but is Veritaserum still going to contine after the 7th book? I hope it does

This is the question we all want answered and i'm sure there are many ways it can end but this is what i think..

Voldermort dies after Harry kills him but i think Harry will end up dyeing as well. So it's a balance of good and bad ending...

I have already posted thin in a topic that deals with the horcruxes, but here it is again:
Have you ever thought about how Harry himself might be a horcrux and in the end of the book he will have to kill himself to destroy Voldemort?

Hummmm.....ya'll are really anxious to kill off Harry.

I think Harry will survive because a constant thread throughout all the books is getting Harry where he could stand alone and his protection because of his mother's sacrifice--the power of love. Harry's death will greatly invalidate that plotline.

I think Hagrid, Snape, Draco will be the predominent deaths in Book 7. I believe Harry will discover Snape's true motives and Snape will be killed trying to save Harry in some way. I believe Draco will switch houses and be killed in a battle just before the final battle. I believe the real heart-thumper death will be Hagrid--because Hagrid has been so instrumental in all of Harry's dealings since the first book.

I believe in Book 7, Harry will find out in detail what happened the night his parents were killed through the search for the Horcruxes. I believe the scar on his forehead is a horcrux and by killing Voldemort, the scar will disappear.

Sorry folks, just can't buy the logic of killing off Harry.

Ptaz really sums up my feelings about this. I just can't wrap my mind around Harry Potter being killed off for a number of reasons that have already been discussed and for personal, selfish reasons.

My one fear - I CAN see an appropriate ending where Harry kills Voldemort by also killing himself in a loving sacrifice...this makes sense because love is what makes Harry different from Voldemort and love in action is presumably the power that will lead to Voldemort's undoing.

So this type of ending would make sense as regards the plotline of the novels. But it would also leave me unspeakably sad!

Mmm....this thread has been encroaching on quite a few others for a while now, so I think it's about time we wrapped it up.

There are pinned threads here discussing who will die, what might happen in book seven, if Harry is a horcrux and so on, so there are plenty of other places to carry on these types of conversations.

But this thread is being locked and archived now.