In the first chapter of HBP we learn that Amelia Bones was killed and according to Fudge by Voldemort himself. I relaise that Amelia was the head of Magical Law Enforcement and a very powerful witch in her own right and that would be enough for her to be killed by Voldemort himself, but what if there is more to it than that.

We know that Susan Bones is a Hufflepuff and what if the whole Bones family were in Hufflepuff, just like the Malfoys are all in Slytherin and the Weasley's are all in Gryffindor. Now being a family of Hufflepuff's they might have an interest in the life and history of Helga Hufflepuff and though this is a stretch may be distantly related in some way (I know the whole Smith thing). What if somehow the Horcrux Cup of Hufflepuff came into Amelia Bones's possesion and Voldemort found out about it and that was the real reason that Amelia Bones was killed?

I know this theory is a little wild and I searched and could not find any threads about Amelia's death but any way what do you think?

Oooh! CLEVER! What if Susan has the cup? That would be awesome....and odd because a piece of Voldemort's soul is yet again in Hogwarts..

yeah! Thats prety cool. I mean, it would also give Voldemort a better reason to have her killed. It's not exactly she was like Dumbledore, and she seemed quite old and was probably going to die soon (year or two? I dont know) So if you look at it this way, it gives Voldemort more of an urgent reason to kill her.

All this killing is upseting me >.< BLAH!

cheese puff?

I do think it is odd for Voldy to go and kill someone himself without that particular person having any significance. Unless the person was really important (and I don't think head of magical law enforcement qualifies as really important), Voldy would normally send a death eater to do the dirty work. Perhaps Amelia did have one of the horcruxes unknowingly, and so Voldy wanting to make sure it was done correctly, went and got it from her himself.

This is a great idea. The one question that I have is how would it have gotten from Voldemort to the Bones family? He obviously took it from Hepzibah fatty after he killed her and then turned it into a horcrux. Wouldn't it have been hidden away like the locket?

I had a crazy theory a while back that Scrimgeour bumped off Amelia Bones to get her out of the way so that he would be elected minister. Everyone then assumed it was Voldemort. It made sense at the time, but it seems less and less likely now. What do you think?

Does anybody else think that Emmeline Vance's death was connected to Amelia Bones? It seems like there is some connection there, but I cant seem to come up with anything.

then how come Dumbledore didn't notice the link between Amelia and her death,and the cup?he is/was one of the smartest and wisest wizards in the world..if he had some thoughts,he would mentioned them to Harry..

I would think he could get the same message across without doing it himself

Yeah, you're probably right - when I said "he" I kind of meant a generic "V and the DEs" - I think Amelia Bones would have been powerful enough to take anyone else out though and this is the reason he did it.

oh, a really clever idea!

i guess its possible that Madam Bones owned Hufflepuff's cup. she was a very gifted witch but Voldemort wouldnt have killed her in person just for that. there must be something else. but if she owned that cup and Voldemort found it...poor Harry.

Hmm... You know, upon first reading this I dismissed it as nonsense but thinking more about it, I think it makes sense (Either that or it's the beer talking...) So, do we know who killed Hannah Abbot's mother? Don't remember a name being mentioned regarding this.

What's the name of the kid killed by Greyback? Did he have a Hufflepuff connection also?

The plot thickens...

I completely agree. I had actually thought about that the other day before I had even read the forum. We all know that Voldemort rarely goes and does something himself unless it directly relates to him. All other things he delegates to his Death Eaters. That being so, I think there is more the Amelia's death than meets the eye. I dont think though that Amelia would have had Hufflepuffs Cup. You would think that Voldemort would have guarded his horcrux with a lot of care - and even if Amelia did accidently stumble across it, how would have Voldemort known? And even if he did realise that it was gone, how would he know that Amelia Bones had it? Just like he doesnt know that the ring had been taken and destroyed, just like the locket, I doubt he would have noticed that the cup has been taken. No, I believe that either Amelia Bones was in the wrong place at the wrong time - or otherwise she found out something of great importance to Lord Voldemort, and similar to Bertha Jorkins and Barty Crouch Snr, she was too dangerous to be kept alive.

Hey.......Didn't Amelia Bones in Order of Phoenix??
Most of members of Order of Phoenix are dead........voldemort or death eaters killed them......so she too!

Scimegour........is next to Fudge I think.!!

Amelia is related to Susan Bones.........if yes.....then why she didn't talk on it , Susan was in Dumbledore's Army.

About Hufflepuff Cup.......Voldemort got both locket and cup and whatever he did to them..........I m sure he didn't keep them such that in any persons hand especially Bones....who is not a death eater but member of OoP. And If Amelia knew or had that cup, dumbledore would be surely known too. But he didn't tell Harry anything like this.
About Diary, Harry didn't tell Dumbledore about that..although DD was a Leglimence, may be he know but he wanted to continue that because at that time he didn't want to tell Harry about anything like Horcrux. He mentioned that in OoP. And He helped Harry with Phoenix, he didn't come himself......it's also part of his plan!

How does everyone think the cup got into Amelia Bones possession after Voldemort having it? How did she find it?

The one thing that bothers me is when Harry mentions the death of Amelia to Dumbledore he almost brushes it off. He says something like, "yes, terrible she was a great witch," and then they continue on their way. It's like DD didn't think it important enough to talk about with Harry.

JK let us know that DD knew about the death but is was almost as if DD dismisses it. Why?

this is just an experimental theory but.. what if she was a secret undercover member of the order and tried to steal the cup then she got it but voldemort soon found out and pursued her.Mabye????

OK members......I was wrong a bit........I came to know about Amelia Bones so far that SHe was a member of Order of PHoenix. SHe was present at the time of Hearing of Harry in Part 5 OoP book. SHe was a powerful Witch and she fought bravely agaist Voldemort. but she killed by him.
Upon her death there was terror spread in Hogwarts and outside that and wand maker Ollivander ran (or kidnapped ,not known) and Ice_cream man was also gone.

She diedb between Part 5 and 6. So, at the end of Part 5 as we all know that Voldemort was alright, in power fought with dumbledore but not suceeded and ran away. Then He attacked Amelia Bones , I think to terrify the ministry members and later to Blackmail them, for furthur information about the department of Mysteries.

But after killing him.....dont know what happened to him ,he didn't appear physically in part 6, but just gave task to Malfoy to kill DD.

I dont think so that DD told to members of Order about the prophecy and Horcruxes. So she definitely didn't know about that cup mystery.

So if bones was in the order there were 2 members in the wizengamont including head honcho dumbledore

John Penheart (is most confused)

Well, I'm thinking that Amelia could have the cup... But my theory is that Amelia
Bones is RAB...
Well maybe she's always called by her middle name which is Amelia, and her real first name starts with R.
JKR wouldn't make RAB somebodies exact initials, or else people could just comb through the books and find it out easily. I'm thinking it's somebody hidden in the backround, who's mentioned occasionly, who you have to work out yourself-It's not an obvious person. However Amelia Bones fits

Of course this may not be at all right, it's just my opinion

The locket was placed under secure protection (yet RAB and Dumbledore were both able to get to it), but the diary was given to Lucius Malfoy to hold and the ring was simply hidden in the rubble of the old house.

Who's to say that the Hufflepuff cup wasn't hidden somewhere or given to a death eater to hold? If that's the case, then in 14 years it could have gone astray, been found, or been sold by a death eater who needed money.

Who's most likely to buy a cup that belonged to Helga Hufflepuff? I decendent of Hufflepuff herself. So if Voldemort is looking for the cup in order to make it more secure, it would make sense for him to be torturing and killing the individuals most likely to have it.

It may be hard, even for a genius such as Dumbledore, to keep tabs on which child is related to who and everyone's blood line, etc. I don't think anyone could do it. If all the full blood wizards are related, would Gryffindor, Slytherin, Ravenclaw, and Hufflepuff be related? Interesting stuff...



I agree, but it would mean he got the cup if he wound up killing Amelia Bones (it may imply he got the information out of her and didn't need her anymore).

Hi.
Well, I'd like to make a couple of comments.
1. It is not likely that Amelia Bones is not in the Order. It never says she is in the order. Furthermore, if she were in the Order, she would go to the meetings. There was a mandatory meeting for all Order members during Harry's stay at Grimmauld Place. Harry, Ron, Ginny, Hermione, and the twins saw everyone leave. They never saw Amelia Bones.
2. Although, it is a good theory, I don't think that R.A.B. stands for Amelia Bones because I'm pretty sure that J.K.R said that it was a fine guess. Although I think that Amelia Bones is a good guess.
3. The Hufflepuff Cup? I think if Amelia Bones had the Hufflepuff Cup, she would have realized that it was magically powerful because she is a very powerful witch. Therefore, she would probably have realized something was awry with the cup. Um...also how would she have gotten them?
Anyway, that's a really good theory...
PurpleForge

I don't think everyone was there. Aberforth Dumbledore is in the Order but he wasn't present. Moody showed Harry the picture and would have pointed him out at Grimmauld Place.

She may have realized it was magically powerful, but how would she have figured that out? Meaning, if she drank out of it would it go "balistic" on here and curse her mouth or something? Or is there a different magical property to it? I know he was 12 or 11 at the time, but Harry didn't realize what the diary was until later.

Cherry, I had that exact same thought! I agree that Amelia Bones could be RAB because Amelia could be here middle name; however, the only thing I found that really challenges that is that in Order of the Phoenix, at Harry's hearing, we find out that Amelia Bones's full name is Amelia Susan Bones. The only way I can think to get around this is that perhaps she knew Voldemort would want her and changed her name a little bit, but not so much that her friends and family wouldn't recognize her. If it is not Amelia Bones, however, I think it definitely could be a Bones. Susan is mentioned throughout the books because of small, seemingly insignificant things. She had an aunt, uncle, and cousins who were all murdered by one of the ten death eaters who escaped.

As for Amelia Bones having the cup, I guess that could work, but how would she have gotten it? It is a very interesting thought, though. I don't really think that she would have it but I have no idea what JKR is going to write, so it definitely could be true. I think the fact that she was murdered by Voldemort in person is very significant.

ive been thinking voldemort could just have tried to force info out of her like he did to bertha jones but got nothing (or mabie he did )so he disposed of her.

There has to be something fishy about her death, but what it is I don't know. She had to of known something of importance to Lord Voldemort or he would not have bothered her. SO her heath might be in the fimal book.

that is a very good theory good job bravo i would have never thought of that all by my self. I have written another column sort of like this but its about a death eater its called mystery of the stupified death eater it explains alot!!