Okay, this is not a debate on just who RAB is, but how they found out about the horcrux(es).

Only a very limited number of people knew about the horcruxes and I believe that this gives us a valuable tool for identifying RAB. I invite the mods to come down hard on people who just 'out' RAB without giving an explanation on how they made the discovery.


I am coming round to the theory that RAB is Sirius' mother and that she sent Kreacher to spy on Voldemort following the murder of Regulus, her favoured son.

hmmm

what was sirius' mother's name?

Anyone know? Can anyone guess? .... but I dont think she would be that upset her son would die.. .... But I could see it. I JUST DONT KNOW!! hahaha, I'm really confused now!

how bout sirius' father? he could have some part in this... maybe

Mr Black? This occured to me too at first but I got the impression he actually died beforehand.

Well, in Goblet, didn't Voldemort say to his death eaters "you who have known ho far I have gone down the road to immortality" or something?

So, it is possiblethat his closest death eaters knew his secret, although given Malfoy's carelessness with the diary, this is unlikly.

RAB, whoever he/she is could have stumbled across it by mistake- but how? volemort wouldnt just let things slip. Unless, some of his death eaters did know, and RAB found out from them?

This is a good topic, I liek the idea of it not being Regulus because he is so obvious. I think that his motehr does make ense only because Kreacher was safeguarding the locket and didn't want anyone to have it. However, the only downfall to this theory is that Mrs. Black was insistant on how much she hated Sirius for being a traitor to the Vlack name and that he should have been more like Regulus. If she found out about the horcrux, and retreived it, why still praise the dark arts and hate sirius?

But it could be a diversion from the truth that if everyone thought she was still evil, no one would suspect her, and she sent Regulus in to spy regularly and to retrieve the locket. Regulus was killed for deserting and Mrs. Black was never a suspect. That would be interesting huh?

What about Riddle's old boss, Mr. Borgin? Although he is still alive, we do not know what his first name is and we know it is not his partner, Caracatus Burke. There had to be a reason Harry landed in that shop the first time he flooed. Maybe it read Riddle's magic on Harry?

Hmmm I've never really thought about why it landed Harry in Borgin and Burkes.... I mean, there are TONS of shops in knockturn alley, so why that one? pretty big coincidince, heh.

But back to the subject. The more I think about it, the more I am begining to think that Mrs. black cared for her son very much. hmm WHOA! REVELATION!!!!!!!!!!!!

Maybe she drank the whole potion by herself! and wasnt powerful enough to over come it! or didnt get "cured" by drinking the water from the lake!! and thats why her portrait is all "ALKSJFAL GOBALAL MERRR HALF BLOODS EVIL! meow?" this is really starting to make sense, assuming the portrait was created after the horcrux was destroyed.

very interesting.

cheese puff?

Nice topic!

Regulus's mom is certainly a possibility, although i am leaning towards regulus and house elf retrieving the locket.

In terms of how he knew, I think that maybe dear old Horace Slughorn might just oppose voldy more than he's letting on.

What do you all think?

Cheers,
Acroman

Hi... wonderful topic Darth_Oz !!


I am fond of the Regulus "Arcturus" Black and Kreacher Theory. (Arcturus meaning "Run Away Star")... but I am not sure that Regulus was old enough. If he was born c.1961... and died in 1980... that would make him only 19... and in my guestimation that is too young to be able to get past all the "wards" Voldemort used.

But how would either Regulus or Mrs. Black have learned about Horcruxes?

Phineas Nigelus (c.1800?) is still running around the Noble House of Black on occassion. He was a "Headmaster" even though he was disliked, and you would think that to become a Headmaster you would have to have knowledge of such things.

or

Slughorn could have talked about them at one of his "Slug Club" parties... after he'd had a few too many. Regulus was one of Slughorn's favorites... and he was also the one who told Tom Riddle about them. However if he felt guilty about telling Tom in c.1945... I doubt he would repeat his mistake with Regulus c.1978... tho he may have told Mrs. Black !!

But that still doesn't explain about how they would know about the cave. If Dumbledore discussed the cave with anyone... it would have been with the Headmaster portraits... not Slughorn. And I don't think he would have discussed the cave with anyone until 1996...both Regulus and Mrs. Black were dead by then.

It just doesn't add up in my mind. I am much more inclined to go with Borgin. Knockturn Alley is "The Dark Arts" equivilant to Diagon Alley. Borgin would probably know about Horcruxes... and also have the knowledge of how to destroy them. He sold the cursed locket to Malfoy... and I am sure he knew of its powers.

I don't know exactly what you would call Borgin... but Archeologists... Anthropologists... (collectors of Artifacts) travel great distances to acqire or discover objects of historical value and one of their favorite places to explore are caves !!

If Borgin knew of Tom Riddle's "magpie-like" qualities... he may have discovered the cave looking for Tom and the locket... before Voldemort turned it into a "Horcux". Tom had the locket a long time... c. 1945-1980... exactly when he turned it into a Horcrux is not clear.

The other thing I just thought of... didn't Voldemort's appearance change every time he created a new Horcrux? He became less human and more snake like? So anyone who knew Voldemort would notice this change... and if you knew of Horcruxes you could put two and two together.

okay... I'll shut up now !!

I was reading a post in the main R.A.B. thread that suggested that Regalus was at Godric's Hollow and that he was asked to take part in the killings, but couldn't do it. That is why he left the Death Eaters. That is an interesting thought, however, I had another idea. Perhaps, prior to Voldemort locating Wormtail and finding out that he was the secret keeper, maybe Voldemort thought Sirius was the secret keeper. Everyone else thought Sirius was the secret keeper, it would make sense that Voldemort would look into this himself. Perhaps he wanted Regalus to get information out of Sirius and that is what caused him to leave the Death Eaters. He didn't want to hurt his own brother. This of course would not make Voldemort happy and would in turn lead to Regalus's death. Following that, Mrs. Black decided to take revenge and, using her dark magic contacts and Kreacher, she pieced together the horcruxes and the location of the cave.

I also believe it is possible that Regalus found out that Voldemort was not a pure blood while working for Voldemort. This was information that Voldemort would want to keep very secure and I think would warrant the death of Regalus. My theory is that Regalus told his mother about it before he was killed and this lead to her taking the horcrux. There is a quote from Sirius in OOTP that says there were a lot of dark wizards who were only on Voldemort's side because he was killing mudbloods. They left him after he got out of hand. They were not very loyal to him and would conceivably fight back if they found out that he was a mudblood himself. From what we know about Mrs. Black, I think it is conceivable that she knew quite a bit about the dark arts or at least knew someone or was related to someone that could get the information that she needed to locate the horcrux. All she needed was a motive. Her son was killed by a mudblood. I think that would about do it.

I also think it is great to have Kreacher heavily involved in the process, because he is still alive and can be questioned. Once Harry puts it together, Kreacher would be very valuable to give Harry information. I have always felt, with the whole S.P.E.W. thing that the house elves are going to be useful down the road and that the people that have treated them right are going to reap the rewards of that. There has to be more to that whole bit. It has always seemed a bit unecessary. Perhaps Harry will employ an army of spies led by Dobby.

That last part you said is probably true. someone would probably notice a change in voldermort. Davies

It still makes sense because the writer of the note still called him "the Dark Lord" and almost all of the black family were followers

Sirius is Narcissa cousin
Snape is Narcissa brother (HBP Chapter 2)
So snape is sirius cousin.

So she could be a Prince
and when she say Traitor to your blood
she could not tell that to Harry or Hermione but to Eileen.
Eileen who married and had a child with a muggle.

This could be possible because Sirius said that all pur blood family had to married together because there are only a few.

Well, for R.A.B. (or Binns lolll)
I totally agree with you vulturemort

ok well i do think that RAB is regulus black. i also have a theory of how he got the locket out of the basin. he may have conjured an animal such as a dog and made it drink the potion. he may be still alive too. i think he may have got the locket, gone back to 12 grimmauld place, went into a secret room and then got a portrait of his mother, put a permanent sticking charm on it and sealed himself in it. he could be behind the portrait of Mrs Black. i doubt it will happen but it is just a theory.

Just a thought that may help...

If Slughorn told Tom Riddle of the Horcruxes it had to be prior to Moaning Myrtle's death on June 13th, 1943. After that the subject of Horcruxes was banned.

Before that there was one copy of a book that mentioned them in the library... which means any student who attended Hogwarts before 1943 could have gained some knowledge of them if they sought it.

It would appear to be a safe assumption that Mrs. Black, Mr. Borgin, and some people believe, Amy Benson all attended Hogwarts prior to that date.

But Dumbledore believed that he and Slughorn were the only wizards alive who knew about them... before the pensieve memories revealed Tom Riddle knew as well.

I'm just thinking that time is an important factor here... and one we overlook often.

Uh, not sure what you're getting at here Rogue...?
For a start Snape and Narcissa aren't siblings and secondly this isn't a debate on the identity of the HBP!
Thanks for contributing anyway though!


Hey Tatesha - is that information about the banning of the horcruxes after Moaning Mertyl confirmed? Don't recall seeing it in the book. It's a good theory though that an event would lead to the banning of all discussion.

I probably didn't phrase my original question very well - I think that anyone with enough magical knowledge would know essentially what a horcrux is but I think we need to focus specifically on how those belonging to Voldemort were discovered.

As this thread is on the topic " how RAB discovered Horcrux......we dont know exactly now that who RAB is, and we are not discussing here too.........as there is another thread on it !!

I have an opinion regarding this........that........why everybody thinking that as Dumbledore gone in cave, RAB did the same!!
WHy????
THere can be anothre way .......
Dumbledore when got LOcket there was no any parchment with that , but after his death, after some hours ,when Harry got that locket ,it was not that , it was changed and with a letter of RAB. SO , may be after DD's death , somone (RAB or other using his name) has changed that and steal the original Locket. Or someone making Harry fool or misleading him from his track !!

Shining star you need to go to the origional post of RAB and see my theory of the switch of the real locket to the fake being done when DD body was at the foot of the clock tower by SNAPE.

Hey !!

Food for thought... couldn't Snape have told Voldemort how to create the potion in the basin... or even made it for him? Then helped R.A.B get past it? It doesn't fit into any of my "wonderful" theories... but it is possible!!

Regulus attended Hogwarts the same time as Sirius, James, Lupin, and Severus. Both Snape and Regulus were in Slytherin... and became Death Eaters !!

If Snape and Regulus were friends... this could explain a lot. It would also explain why so much of this book was about Snapes brilliant skills in potions.

It still doesn't explain how they found out about the cave... but... Snape also an accomplished Occlumens... could have "seen" it in Voldemort's thoughts.

Darth_Oz
I don't have the books, I just have my notes... therefore can't confirm it. It may have just been just an assumption... that Moaning Myrtle's death on June 13th, 1943 allowed Tom to "preserve" himself in the diary.

I'll go to the Library on Friday and see if I can find the Chapter Nos.

BumblebeePosted on Nov 24 2005, 03:12 AM

shining star

There is a wonder continuation of a 120± page discussion here on who accompannied Harry into the cave. Slughorn or Dumbledore !!

The major question that arises is "Can wizards transfigure into another human being?"

We know people can transfigure into animals... but human beings !!?

My first thought was that had Snape or Slughorn accompanied Harry into the cave... was that both of them are potions masters... and would not have drunk the potion... but cleansed it.

If you believe Snape is R.A.B then at least you'd have your explanation as to how he found out about the cave and horcrux !!

Doesn't work for me... but... who knows !!

We do know that Slughorn is one of the few original wizards who knew about Horcruxes... and for me at least it is safe to assume that Snape knows of them to.

And we know little of eithers true loyalty... or affliliation. Slughorn was "on the run"... and isn't a member of the Order... Snape is so delighfully duplicitous... so I guess they could have wriiten the note...

BUT... in my mind Dumbledore was already DEAD... and Snape is indespensible.

The challenge of using the location of the cave to identify RAB is an interesting one. I was never big on the idea that Borgin was RAB, however wouldn't he know more about Voldemort's past to get closer to identifying the cave? We know a pregnant Voldemort's mother sold Borgin her necklace. Years later, Riddle comes to work for Borgin. Eventually, the necklace and cup are stolen from Borgin's customer. Riddle disappears. Borgin is actually one of the few people who would have at least the slightest insight into Voldemort's past in the orphange other than Dumbledore, as well as the "collection" of trophies he seemed to accumulate. Barring of course, Voldemort sharing information about his troubled childhood to someone over drinks - I doubt it.

This all brings me to another thought - not how many or what the horcruxes are, but WHERE they are. I need to get to work on that one.

I was thinking along the lines of Slughorn purposely telling Regulus when his favorite student comes to him asking for help.

Sorry for the short post, but it's really late (or maybe early?)

Cheers,
Acroman

Well I am just going to post what I think, sorry if it has been replicated. I think that Regulus may have been there when the Locket was made into a horcrux, that is why he knew where Voldy put it. I also think that Regulus knew who the death was that created the horcrux, and his death is the reason why he sent out to get the horcrux, destroy it and desert, perhaps to right a wrong and bring justice to his friend's murder.

Padfoot313 --
1. Voldemort stole the Slytherin locket from Hepzibah Smith in late 1945 or early 1946 (during his employment at Borgin and Burkes, probably within a year from leaving Hogwarts).

2. After Voldemort left B&B no one knew where he was or what he did until be turned up again in 1956, after Dumbledore had succeeded Dippet as Headmaster, to apply for a teaching post at Hogwarts. He was no longer handsome. It is safe to assume that the effect of splitting his soul had something to do with him losing his good looks. In other words: it is very likely that he split his soul and made the locket Horcrux before 1946 -- and that he wanted to be at Hogwarts to find other magical objects of the founders, having used up his own supply.

3. Regulus was born after 1960. He was Sirius's younger brother.

It is unlikely that Voldemort would have waited more than twenty years before using it for a Horcrux. I think it was the third Horcrux he made (the diary and the ring were done first), and that it was probably not long after the theft -- he already knew how to do it, the only thing he still needed was a suitable murder victim.

Here is an interesting theory that I just read on another forum.

What if Regalus and some other death eaters, who were considered too dim to figure things out, were given the mission of supplying the inferi for the cave? Would Voldemort be able to bring so many victims to that location on his own? I don't know, it's a possibility.

Anyway, this way, Regalus knew about the cave. He could have figured out that it was being used to guard something. He knew that Voldemort had taken steps to be immortal. He also comes from a family that is deeply into the dark arts, so he could have had access to horcrux information.

So, perhaps he is asked to torture and kill Sirius or face his own death. At that point he decides that he can't go through with it and leaves the death eaters. Since he knows that he has condemned himself to death, he decides to put his information to good use and gets a bit of revenge. It is also possible that he told his mother about this and she is the one that took revenge after he was killed.

Isn't it Voldemort who commands the inferi? He used them in the last war right? How could Regulus command them?

Lilly,

I'm not saying that Regalus controlled them. I'm saying that maybe he was assigned, perhaps as part of a group of Death Eaters, to bring victims to the cave to create the inferi guards. They had to get there somehow. The Death Eaters wouldn't necessarily know what was in the cave, they would just know their part of the task. Regalus, however, figured out the secret of the cave and used that information to figure the rest out.

Vulturemort: as usual, your ideas are very thought provoking, but I do agree that the time-line gets in the way of things a bit.

That said, it isn't a foregone conclusion that you are wrong; Voldemort might have made the horcrux before and just wanted to increase the protections around the horcrux. I think it is plausible that LV assumed that none of the DEs were smart or skilled enough to reach the mysterious island.

Something that gets in the way of this theory is that LV probably would have wanted to be present and might even, to protect the secret, add those who assisted him to the army of inferi. This would leave those DEs who assisted no chance to get to the horcrux.

A way around that caveat is the "DE telling someone" theory. It wouldn't even need to be Regulus assisting; other DEs could have worked on the deed and somehow told RAB.

Now that I've brought you around in a few not-so-graceful circles, over to you!

Cheers,
Acroman

I guess you were right with the timeline and all. But it was just a thought. I think I am going to go against Regulus as a personal helper in securing the inferi or protecting the cave. I think that one of the inner circle DE's told him what was going on, where it was, what was protecting it, perhaps one death eater that wanted to spoil Voldermort's plan, one perhaps that was planning Voldy's downfall, perhaps SNAPE (Remember Snape is a potions master and the main obstacle in the cave was a potion). It is plausable, if he is good that is that he told Regulus how to get past the defenses. I know that Regulus is a Black and Snape hates Sirius, but Regulus and Sirius are nothing alike. Knowing that Regulus wanted out, he could have told him to take a piece of Voldy with him to DD. Of course this is strange because Snape and DD have been together plenty of times since then and you would think that Snape would have told DD about the horcruxes. OR what if SNAPE was unaware of what the object possessed, I don't know, just throwing a thought out there, if this is true, I am sure there is an explanation for everything. SNAPE has a lot to answer for anyway.

I think R.A.B is Regulus A. Black because according to Lupin, he only managed to live a few days after "deserting" the Death Eaters. And No fellow Death Eater would kill there own fellow Death Eater because many Death Eaters have deserted Voldemort.

Through my point of view,Regulus stole that locket and managed to get home and hide that locket somewhere safe. When "Lord Voldemort" Tom Riddle found that his Horcrux was missing. He suspected it was Regulus Black because he had recently deserted him(I s'pose the Death Eaters know where the Horcruxes are hidden) Regulus who knew that he had been doing the wrong thing thought that if he destroyed the Horcrux his sins would be forgiven.Knowing that he was going to die Regulus Black gave the Locket to Kreacher who hid it in the glass cabinets of the drawing room of this strange old house. And since Regulus' death it has been there

Heya Herminerva,

Personally I disagree that many Death Eaters would have much compunction about murding a treacherous colleague - remember that many DEs held ancient and respectable positions, and to risk exposure was not worth the life of Reggie.

RAB may well be Regulus Black, but you didn't actually say how he found out about the horcrux, which is the point of the thread.

The basic premise is, that in order to steal and destroy the horcrux, you need to know about it. Given that so few do, it rules out most wizards. If you think that RAB is Regulus, then give us a theory on how he found out them.

Cheers!

Oz

I don't think that R.A.B. would have been involved with creating the horcrux. The fact that R.A.B. specifically said that they had "discovered" the secret would lead me to believe that they didn't have prior knowledge of the Horcrux. It wouldn't be much of a discovery if they were there when it was made. I lean toward the fact that either someone overheard Voldy boasting or that they were assigned a task that involved the upkeep or protection of the Horcrux. If it was a simple task, I don't think that R.A.B. would have been given specific knowledge of the Horcrux, but the task itself would have put them in a position to figure things out. Basically, I'm talking about a situation like the inferi theory that I posted earlier. It wouldn't have to be that exact task, but something like it. Voldemort may have selected someone that he figured was not smart enough to put two and two together and become a threat. It would be another example of him underestimating his enemies.

I agree Vulturemort. I don't think that RAB was involved with the creation of the horcrux. I also like your theory on RAB having to recruit inferi and bring them to the cave. That would fit quite nicely. What if RAB was a lot closer to LV than he led on? I mean, if he was in fact that close to LV, neither he nor LV would want anyone to know. LV would be afraid that people would try to coax information out of RAB about the horcruxes/plans, and RAB wouldn't want people to know because that would out him as a full-fledged death eater, and that would put him in deep stuff with the ministry.

Let me see if i get it. You are saying that maybe RAB never told anyone that he had destroyed the horcrux...and that Voldemort didnt know either?
So... RAB may still be a DeathEater...only that he is actually good...but he never actually said anything?

hmmm

well maybe rab would bring inferi to fight the inferi, and i think he would find out because he overheard something, but who would vl tell? I dont think that rab would be overly close to vl because i dont think anyone is, yeh i dint really accomplish anything with this post then did i?

Yes indeed Vulturemort, I agree with you there - I think it's likely RAB stumbled across this information some how and then tried to play it as a trump card when things went sour.

At present we can only say that three people definitely know that Voldemort made a horcrux. Of these, who could be RAB?

Harry - No
Dumbledore - Possible, but unlikely. If he were making a fake to switch with the real thing, it would look like an exact replica.
Voldermort - A giant, elaborate double-bluff? Something I doubt, but I'd love to see it!

Who else then was likely to have known about the horcruxes?

Slughorn - Almost certainly suspected that Voldemort made a horcrux. However, he doesn't strike me as the sort who would go to the effort of tracking it down and destroying it.
Snape - His thorough knowledge of the dark arts would lead him to suspect Voldemort, certainly. However, going after it himself would be too risky considering he is a double-agent.
Wormtail - Sneaky old Peter may well have discovered a horcrux and then passed on the information - but again, would he take the risk? Doubtful.

I think the most likely cause of the leak is Slughorn - we know he has a penchant for drinking and is not very discreet. I don't think he is RAB, but then he may well have inadvertantly put someone on the route to becoming him/her.

Darth_Oz, are you sure that Slughorn would be willing to give the information about the Horcruxes to anyone? After all, he was so reluctant to give DD (someone to whom it was safe to tell, also his friend and generally, a great wizard) the memory regarding the Horcruxes that he distorted it. Do you think he wouldn't feel embarassed or just feel safe (and we all know how concerned Slughorn is with his personal well-being) giving the info to anyone? I really don't think he's spoken on this subject to anyone except to the young Tom Riddle, DD, and Harry.

~Ana

WHO --> I think that Regulus is RAB and the thing that clinched it for me is this (from wikipedia)


WHO WITH --> And I also think that he took Kreature because to get across in the boat with two people one of those people's magic wouldn't have to count (like harry being under 17) - so perhaps it is also kreature that found out about the hocrux (not entirely sure how) but maybe Mrs. Black sent him to keep an eye on regulus and make sure he was ok (after the family became scared when LV showed his true colours)

WHY --> I've often has suspicions relating to the lleaving of Regulus and Snape possibly coinciding and the reasons for the leaving being related) so this might make sense since Snape left because the prophecy was about James and Lilly So...I think that Regulus was asked to do something regarding Sirius (since he was the supposed secret keeper) which scared him (family loyalty) -
even though Regulus may not have been that important to LV, he was the closest link to James and Lilys' secret keeper so he would suddenly become important with regardsto this relationship

oh and sorry I included the who, why etc - I just thought that they would sort of help me explain the conclusion of the how (because I'm hopeless at explaining concisely )[/b]
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[b]HOW--> I think that nearly everyone knows about LVs obsession with immortality even if they are unaware of the hocruxes (I don't think that they are aware especially after what DD said about Lucius' handling of the diary). I think thatfollowing his 'oh Merlin, I'm not going to kill my Brother and a baby!' he may have gone into hiding - and what better place than a cave (hey Sirius did it) and he may have come across that particular cave and thought 'hang on a minute....Ooooo right' and figured out what was going on - (didn't DD say that magic leaves a trace and each persons magic has a sort of characteristic - so he might have been familiar with LVs style)

after all the more of something there is ,there more likely it is that one of them will be found



I think that perhaps Regulus realised how insane LV was (following his order) and maybe reasoned that a guy with such an obsession about immortality would create A Hocrux (I think that he thinks there is only one because of the tone of the note)

and then perhaps tried to find out as much as possible about LV (just like Harry and DD) and tracked down the cave via gossip about 'that boy who used to live here' at the orphanage - (in GOF it said that people still gossiped about the deaths of the Riddles - so maybe such an obscure little boy and the evil acts of bullying would be gossiped about too) - it may have struck a chord with regulus upon hearing about the 'incident' in the cave. and did what had to be done

I think that he was perfectly (ok maybe not perfectly ) happy to die thinking that he had just destroyed the only hocrux

Hope that may sense (it does in my head but sometimes it comes out like gibberish )

Well, I pretty much wrote the same thing on the regular RAB site, but pretty much my theory is that Regulus somehow found out about LV's horcruxes (I assume he overheard something that someone else was saying, possibly LV to Nagini, because I think Regulus is a parselmouth, but that is just a theory I pulled out of my bum... so ignore that part). Then, realizing the full capacity and dangerousness of LV's power, he decided to leave the Death Eaters and seek out the horcrux. Because he is a Death Eater and has a dark mark (which I believe is the only way you can reach into the basin without drinking the liquid), he was able to retrieve the true horcrux from the basin and replace it with the fake. He left the note for LV stating that he would be "dead long before [LV] read[s] this", basically telling LV that he knew he would be killed for deserting LV. Shortly after that, he faked his own death, making LV think that Regulus was in fact dead, and giving Regulus a chance to fade into the shadows. This would explain how the true horcrux locket arrived back at Grimmauld Place... Regulus took it there! Did Regulus' parents see Regulus return and hide the locket? I would think they probably didn't. I think that for his own (and his family's) sake, he would have told no one about his plan, and would have kept the fact that he was still alive only to himself.

I have some pretty good references to editorials and JK quotes in my post on RAB thread, which can be read in full here. (I would have posted the whole thing again, but it's extremely long, but I promise it's well worth it!)

Sorry I didn't realise that - great minds and all that

I do like your idea about the dark mark though (perhaps that was forshadowed with the blocked doorway in HPB), I never even considered that

and the idea that regulus was a parcel mouth and could therefor eavesdrop on nagini/LV conversation - that's a good idea too, my long winded (and apparently unknowningly plagarised ) effect of a theory didn't take into consideration that he was a slytherin - good going

OMG Velvet, I am so sorry, I didn't mean I pretty much wrote the same thing as you, I mean that what I was about to type was pretty much the same thing I typed in the other site...

I see how you thought differently... Man I must have sounded like a prat!

haha seriously so sorry, I would never take full credit for any of the theories I post, because all of them are pieced together from bits of other peoples thoughts/editorials/posts.

Sorry... no pun intended on that last post

Now, about the dark mark in HbP, I really do think that that one small line is significant. "I'll bet you had to have a dark mark to get through"...

No one even mentions it again... which is how JK's mind usually works. I'd bet money on the idea that we see that "dark mark to pass" spell again in book 7.