Way back-tracking, but another twelve thingy I found out...

Twelve is the number of "grace and perfection", and has been considered a number of completion, and of the chosen

Harry is the 'chosen one', isn't he? Anyway, the whole twelve thing is probably pointless but, meh...best to cover all our options

Don't worry...it's still important and worth noting. 'Cos then you'll have the satisfaction of being able to sit back, rub your hands with glee and tell everyone 'I told you so!' when the book comes out and you realise that the twelve thing was really important after all!!!

And you'll have the post to prove it!!!

You never know with JKR.....

hehehe...yeah! That'd be great...

Anywyho, this has probably already been mentioned, but I can't remember and I don't really want to check....lazy. But what if Sirius just came back as a regular old potrait? it would have to be really oldand most likely hidden away if it's in his parents' house but maybe

hm, hadnt even thought of that. good point. i doubt it thouhg. if he did have a protrait painted of him, it would have been destroyed becuz the Black family disowned him. unless the portrait was somewhere else, but i dont think sirius was THAT important. still, it's a good thouhgt.

Well his parents may have had several potraits painted of Sirius before they disowned him. If so, it's possible one of them escaped Mrs. Black's furious wrath...maybe it's hidden away up in the attic at Grimmauld place or at the Malfoy's or maybe even somewhere we haven't seen at Hogwarts....

yeah its possible. i think if anywhere, itll be in some corner of Grimmauld Place. i doubt hogwarts.

Unlessit was like a graduation portrait or something...lol

Oh, yeah...young, Sirius....Mmm....

Yummy...yummy...yummy...

It'd be nice if Harry did get to speak to the younger Sirius...you know... before life chewed the poor guy up and then spat him out....**sigh**...I miss him so much....

lol...poor Sirius, but if they did find a portrait of a younger Sirius they probabbly wouldn't know how to relate to him because it would've been before James and Lily died, he wouldn't know who Harry was and etc etc etc...

ha thats right!

"James had a kid?! With Lily Evans?! How did that happen?!"

Are you insane!? What? Was she under a spell or something!? She HATES Prongs!

Then he'll think Harry is James...problems arise! That'd be great

Apparently the tie between Book 2 and Book 6 is a discovery that Harry makes in Book 2. I noticed something that is really obscure, but Harry first hears about Olive Hornby from Moaning Myrtle in Book 2. Olive Hornby was the person who teased Myrtle. Olive Hornby was mentioned again in Book 4 when Harry was in the prefect's bathroom. Moaning Myrtle was talking about Olive again and said that she had been at Olive Hornby's brother's wedding. At this point, Harry stops listening, so we never find out anymore.

This is a wild guess, but I'm wondering if Olive Hornby's brother is related to the Half Blood Prince. Olive Hornby has been mentioned twice and Harry first hears about her in Book 2. I have no clue as to who the Half-Blood Prince is, but I think we will find out more about Olive Hornby.

hmm...good spotting, i dont know how important she'll be, but its definately possible she'll come back, with a bigger role or whatever.

luparius, that would be funny, if sirius thouhght harry was james! althouhg, you know, paintings arent stupid, he mightve noticed james was gone...althouhg hed be in an obscure cornere fo the castle...so i dunno

hats off to shuntpike.the theory about tom riddle was a genius one but y would jkr want someone to know that it is tr .she would probably try to hide the whole thing so that the suspense holds on to the very end.maybe.

Well Mcgonagoll, Olive Hornby was mentioned in books 2 and 4 so who's to say that she won't mentioned in book six as well?

i was recently reading CoS and i noticed something that might be a factor. At the end when Lucius Malfoy was in Dumbledores office, Dumbledore says, "....I will advice you, Lucius, not to go giving out any more of Lord Voldemorts old school things." and that just sprung the idea into my head that, that might have something to do with the plot of HBP just because i havent heard any theorys about this issue that have put my curiousitys firmly to rest.

Hi Everyone

When reading on Jk's official website that "book 6 resembels a discovery Harry made on book 2", I decided to go check HP&CoS so I was reading this chapter, which I realized MAYBE no one has talked about....

THE HAND OF GLORY

remember when Harry met both Draco and Lucios when he got lost with the Flu Powder?
I am sure JKRowling, did that for some reason... not only to show that Hagrid has been around Knockturn Alley... (or maybe that was the only point?)
when I come to think about it, even the in the book the one who liked that Hand of Glory was Draco... in the movie still the Hand of Glory was shown...

could it be that, that resemblnce has to do with this hand?
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After I read some posts.. i saw that people kept saying that maybe Riddle is the HBP, but... please, If Voldemort is not the HBP and Riddle IS Vodemort... then Riddle is NOT the HBP and JKRowling states that very well on her website (maybe this topic died for the last posts where around August of 2004 but I just wanted to pinpoint this)

I think that the connection between the two books is (drum roll please...)

The Chamber of Secrets itself. I think that the room that JK said she liked but Harry hadn't realized the significance of is the Chamber of Secrets. I believe that this explains why the Chamber of Secrets had the Half-Blood Prince plot interwoven into it. The CoS plot could have gone something like this.

*Basilisk begins attacks
*CoS as it is already with hints about the HBP
*Harry goes down into the CoS and kills Basilisk
*During talk with Riddle, Riddle mentions something
*Harry looks around, finds ?Pensieve?
*Learns about the Half Blood Prince.

I think that the strange room on the cover is the Chamber, also, but thats another topic. And JK said she removed the Half Blood Prince from Chamber of Secrets because it was too much information too early. It was before Sirius, before Voldemort's return, before we knew of the prophecy. And obviously the HBP is paramount; the central figure in the book, because of the title.(duh ) And there must be other rooms in the Chamber. Salazar would have left everything needed for his Heir to begin cleansing the race, and that must have envolved more than just a Basilisk. Powerful as it was, it was mortal, and, as we saw, could be defeated. There must have been more Secrets, we can deduce this from the "s" at the end of Secrets. Secrets. Plural. More than one. The Half Blood Prince must be a secret, especially if this book is another mystery type in the likes of CoS(another connection, perhaps?) I believe so.

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I thought that the interview where Jk said that was previous to the OotP release, so I always thought Jk meant the Room of Requirement when she said that. Can anyone confirm if the interview was before or after?? I just can't remember where I read it.

I tell you what.

Read this essay.

It is veeerrry interesting and has very interesting facts about book 2 that many of us haven't noticed

The Veil Mystery Unfurled

I bet all this book 2 and book 6 stuff is just Harry's background info that was too detailed for book 2 and so has been moved. It would be nice if theres some sort of clever hidden detail that we have so blindly missed, but I doubt it.

i have changed my answer about the tie between the books and i now think it is the Chamber of Secrets..i think it has many more rooms than we know and JK Rowling said that her favorite room was one harry has yet to discover so maybe it is the room on the front cover, in my opinion located in the CoS and the pensieve on the cover is that of Salazar Slytherins

In the second book harry makes dobby promise never to try to save his lifa again...

Excellent Suggestion LeeLeeLena. But I think that was more foreshadowing to book 5. Remember when Dobby warns Harry about Umbridge coming. The whole thing ended up as a disaster. I think it does something with the connection between Voldemort & Harry. Thats a big part of the plot. Yet theres one difference between them. One is good and one is bad. The question is, why did it happen that way? I think that more will be revealed about Voldemorts turn to the dark side in this book. emma_isHOTT (she is btw) may have something there too though...

thereshegoes's article waas interesting, but i don't see that that relationship will affect the HBP.

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1. Chamber of Secrets and where it is.
2. Hagrid was expelled from Hogwarts.
3. Aragon lives in the Forbidden Forest.
4. Found out what a Mud-Blood was.
5. Found out how Basilisks work.
6. Found out about Tom Riddle.
7. Found out about Dobby.
8. Found out what a hippogriff was.
9. Discovered he was a parceltongue and that he had inherited some of Voldermort’s power. (most possible)
10. Discovers Moaning Myrtle.

I read the veil mystery...while I think its an excellent big of detective work, I do not think it holds. I could write a massive paragraph, but quite simply, I think all they went to was a party of ghots linger on earth, while what lies beyond the veil are souls that have moved on past earth.

I have never thought the veil was much of a mystery. I have always believed it is simply some kind of a passage way into death and left it at that. Don't get me wrong- I very much hope I'm wrong on this front as I think it would be a fascinating story line if there was more to it in the story and Harry were actually able to journey inside somehow!

Personally, I have no idea if what I'm about to say is really obvious to know, or some people don't know about it either. I first thought about when Harry's need to help and his loyalty called Fawkes down. How did that work out? Did Fawkes feel it in himself that Harry needed help? Or did he see some sort of signal? Maybe this'll come into play later on..

hiya, well having read what people have put im not really sure what i can say...! im not sure what the link is but perhaps it has something to do with like ancient things like spells and enchantment being re-awoken?!

but dobby has always been there since the second book im not sure anything new will happen conserning him although maybe he might deliver a warnin like he did in CoS.

as for Lcius Malfoy well he too has been involved since CoS, but im not sure if anything can happen to him, because im re-reading the fifth book and doesnt Lucius go to Azkaban?

but anyway what ever the links im sure when people read them they will remember them.

I dont know if this is said.. but Aragog will return.

JK Rowling said. In one of my reports i gave a link.. i will look him up.. but for now believe me.

Aragog IS the link between the 2nd and the 6th
RJ

ive got a whole list of things that happened you tell me which ones you think are more proabable:
1. Chamber of Secrets and where it is.
2. Hagrid was expelled from Hogwarts.
3. Aragon lives in the Forbidden Forest.
4. Found out what a Mud-Blood was.
5. Found out how Basilisks work.
6. Found out about Tom Riddle.
7. Found out about Dobby.
8. Found out what a hippogriff was.
9. Discovered he was a parceltongue and that he had inherited some of Voldermort’s power. (most possible)
10. Discovers Moaning Myrtle.
what do you think?

maybe the chapter: SPINNERS END will have to do something with Argog dieing also notice that in the back cover jacket for the UK edition................ill just post all i have so far.......

Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince
Info

COVER INFO:

: Harry and Dumbledore are in a forest, it may be the Forbidden Forest. The discovery in the CoS might have been the discovery of Aragon.
: The same spell that Dumbledore used against Voldermort in OoTP is curling around Harry and Dumbledore in the background, except Dumbledore has a look of fear in his eyes so it may have been used on them.
: Harry and Dumbledore are looking at the Pensieve (the one Dumbledore used in the OoTP to show Harry the lost Prophecy) and surrounding them in the background are wisps of green smoke; either the Avada Kedavra spell, or the same spell Dumbledore used on OoTP except green because of the contents of the Pensieve.
: Old book which is weird because Harry can afford NEW books, It is labeled ‘Advanced Potion Making’ which may mean that Harry has taking NEWT level potions OR that this book has something to do with Snape. If you look at the background where the book is laid on, it looks like it is either a desk or a trapdoor.

Spinner’s End (chapter 2): could be where Harry is taken after he leaves the Dursleys (name of a street). Or it could be the death of Argog the spider (spinner’s refers to spider’s and end refers to death).


Here on vtm net speak is against the rules, (you cannot substitute 'u' for 'you'). Your post has been edited.

Hi funkyfred,

First of all as you can see from my mod edit above net speak, such as 'u' is not allowed on vtm as its makes posts harder to read through and understand.

Secondly double posting is not allowed, when you make two posts in a row.

And secondly please don't post every theory you have on the one page. Things like who is the half blood prince and what ships you think are gong to happen are of no relevance to this page unless you link it to the topic being discussed, i.e. Ties between book 2 and six.

I've pasted all the relevant stuff on your above thread and I'll send you the rest via pm so you can sift through it and post the relevant bits in the relevant threads, although ashleigh (another moderator) has already posted most of this stuff for you already in the relevant places (see here) yesterday, so there may be no need.

If you are in any doubt how to post your theories please check out the rules link in my signature and if your still not sure send me a pm and I'll try to help you out.

The forum is broken into different sections to facilitate discussion, if we all posted out theories in the one section it would be impossible top get a responses to any thing.

Thank you

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Here are the following possible ties i think could be between book6 and 2:

1. The sword of Gryffindor...possibly indicating that Harry's a true Gryffindor ...the heir to Gryffindor!!

2.Somethning about the chamber of secrets physical presence!!

3.Something similar to Voldemort's memory stuck in that diary!!

4. Basilisk??

5.Somebody being possessed just the way Ginny was...or probably under an imperius curse!!

I have many more...but too lazy to write...sorry!!!

Hello All: This is my first post, so here goes!

I'm surprised I haven't heard anybody comment on the new-found connection between Harry and Voldemort. Remember in GoF when DD smiles in response to Voldemort's ressurection through the use of Harry's blood?

Now Voldemort can touch harry, so at first we suspect that their bond, initially forged when Lilly saved Harry, was broken, when in fact it has been modified. There is evidence in OoP that harry has retained all of his powers as well as a strengthened connection to Voldemort (aka visions of attacking Mr. Weasely, speaking parsletongue, and continued magical greatness). It seems to me that by using Harry's blood, Voldemort unknowingly strengthened their mental connection while detaching their mortal coliniarity.

So, that theory in mind, what does that mean for HBP & beyond? I have a feeling that Harry will start becoming more of a leader than the first line of attack against Voldemort. He will probably become more like Dumbledore in terms of organizing, planning and having incredible insight that others simply cannot understand.

I don't know if anybody else has explored this, but if so, what are your opinions?

If Harry was going to become more of a leader, he will need to be a bit more mature, i mean he seems not to be that mature, saying we need to go now because i say so and fight voldemort isn't exactly a leader. More like i want my revenge. Though i agree that Voldemort strengthendt there connection by taking Harry's blood.

i defenintly think the connection was strengthened i don't think this will cause harry to become a leader. It just doesn't make sense not this part, he will become a leader through other things but not this.

TIES BETWEEN 2 AND 6

1. TOM RIDDLE

2. HAGRID BEING EXPELLED

3. THE GIANT SNAKE

4. ARAGOG

5. SOMETHING ABOUT THE REMOVAL OF MUDBLOODS

*sigh*

Please do not type in all caps, LongbottomRules. It's considered shouting in cyberspace.

I'm getting really tired of this...

JKR said in her FAQ that riddle isn't the HBP

I don't know if anyone has already suggested these, but I give it a go:

1. I've read somewhere that this connection might have something to do with the Hand of Glory in Borgin & Burkes, but I can't really see any relation. Any ideas?

2. There might be some other things of Voldermort hidden in the Malfoy Mansion, that will be important in Book 6. It is certain that their secret chamber is full of dark magical stuff, so it would be easy for Lucius Malfoy to come up with something again.

3. When Tom Riddle was going to Hogwarts, the Transfiguration Professor was none other than Albus Dumbledore. I'm not quite sure about the skills you can obtain by being an expert in Transfiguration (apart from being able to turn into animals and stuff), but this might be a connection. As Dumbledore said himself in PS, he doesn't need a cloak to be invisible, and he just disappeared from his office without Apparating in OotP (because we all know, thanks to Hermione, that it couldn't be Apparating 'cause in Hogwarts blah blah blah), so there is much more to his ablilties than we know already. Who knows...

4. Filch being a squib.

5. Maybe we'll find out something more about Moaning Myrtle - not her death, we know about that, but her life (we don't even know which house she was in). JKR said that she will be back in Book 6, so.... Or maybe we'll get to know why Nearly Headless Nick had to die or who beheaded him.

6. Perhaps people supposing Percy becoming MoM were right. Are there any age restrictions in the magical world? I mean what if he's young? He's way too ambitious, and he pushed his way up quite well during the past two years, so he may become the MoM or somebody close to the new MoM. Not too promising...

(Anyway, I believe that Percy will have to change in Book 6, there's no sense in denying Voldie's return or to oppose Dumbledore, so he may return to his family - and maybe die to redeem all the bad things he did?)

7. Maybe we'll learn more about the Chamber of Secrets. Do we know why Tom opened it for the first time? I don't believe that his only reason was to kill some muggleborns. It wasn't that necessary for him to get rid of them right and then. And there was not that much need to get rid of Hagrid either. So why? Was there a target like Harry? Who could have been dangerous for Tom in some way? (Could this person be the new male character who JKR described as looking like an old lion??? Or the Half-Blood Prince?) Or maybe he was doing something else in Hogwarts that time, something that led him to become Voldemort, that required distarction, so he opened the CoS to draw attention away from himself? What do you think?

(I also wonder what does Tom Riddle's prophecy say - since every wizard and witch gets one at birth...So what is it about?)

8. Maybe we'll learn something about Headmaster Dippet.

9. Dumbledore said that he will never leave Howarts while there will be some who will still be faithful to him, so this might mean that once again, Dumbledore will have to leave the school, or he might even...die. But I don't even want to think about this option.

10. Harry being a Parselmouth might be important in Book 6. Especially when Voldemort owns a little pet called Nagini, who happens to be a giant snake...

ok im too intriqued to check if this has been posted so here it goes: looking thought the second book i came across this quote:

I just thought of somthing really good. Earlier people were talking about how Tom Riddle and Voldemort are the same person, and saying what, if any, kind of role he'll be playing in HBP. I was thinking,maybe Voldermort finds some way to make the memory of Tom Riddle a full being of himself, so that he has two of him to help do important things...? Just a thought.

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P.S- I read somehwere that the tie between the two books has to do with something Harry discovered in the chamber.

maybe, since jkr said HBP wasn't voldemort, HBP might be riddle? because at the end of CoS, harry says, "I've just got one question, Dobby. You told me all this had nothing to do with He-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named, remember? Well--"
"It was a clue, sir," said Dobby, his eyes widening, as though this was obvious. "Was giving you a clue. The Dark Lord, before he changed his name, could be freely named, you see?" pg.339, U.S. Scholastic ver. Hardback

No,no,no,no,no! THe answer surrounds you so easily, yet you can't figure this out. Make a simple connection. Rowling said that the prophecy didn't mean necceasarily what it was thought to mean, Dumbledores gleam of triumph, and even Voldemort said in book 2 that Harry and him were similiar. What Harry found out in Book 2 was that Voldemort transferred a bit of himself into Harry. Here it is, all the sipmle facts.

1. Dumbledore says that Voldemort doesn't have enough human to die, book 1.
2. Voldemort and Harry havve a connection. Abit of VOldemort is in Harry.
4. Voldmort wasn't in book 3 so we skip to book 4. Harry goes into Voldemort, along with his love. Dumbledore is smiling becuase now VOldy has enough power in him to die.
5. THe prophecy truly means that if Harry dies, then Voldy does annd vice versa. They don't have to kill eachother.Thats the reason DD didn't kill VOldemort, is becuase Harry would have died in turn.
6. Book 6 is about removing the connection so that Voldemort can die withougt Harry having to.

"And one Must Die AT The HANDS OF ANOTHER"

Voldemort will die ecause of Harry's blood. So technically Harry does kill him, without actually dilling him. Its that simple people.

I don't think it's riddle because we know it isn't voldemort and voldemort and riddle are the same person. I like the idea of the spiders guarding the forest.

Just a couple points of dispute with your last post, El Verte.

"1. Dumbledore says that Voldemort doesn't have enough human to die, book 1."

If Dumbledore had indeed said this, such an authoritative source would not be denied. And the point may yet be relevant. However, it was Rubeus Hagrid, and not Albus Dumbledore that said this, towards the very beginning of SS/PS, on the way to Diagon Alley, I believe. While I love Hagrid's character, he exaggerates quite a bit, and not everything he says is the truth.

Your quote of the prophecy is also innaccurate. The wording should read "And either must die at the hands of the other, for neither can live while the other survives," opposed to your quote. I mean, I concur with the rest of your post, save the two points I have referenced above.