okay, so as we all know, JKR has said that events that happen in the 2nd book tie directly into the 6th. so i was wondering, what do you guys think these ties will be? I just started re-reading book 2 and here's what ive come up with so far:

1. Some how, the flying car?

2. Aragog. I'm not sure how he might play into the story, but i think he might be big later on.

3. Theres a part where Ron says that Percy wants to be the minister of magic. Maybe Percy will be the new minister? i doubt this, just becuz he's so young, and inexperienced, and no one really knows him, but still, its a possibility.

4. All right, i jsut got to the part where Dobby says, There's a plot to make terrible things happen at Hogwarts, and as you find out at the end, its Lucius Malfoy who started that plot. So im thinking, why wouldn't he try something again, especially now that Voldemort's in the open? and this time, somehow get Draco involved?

speaking of the Malfoys....when harry first told everyone about VOldemort's return, he also named all the Death Eaters. So now that the ministry is taking harry seriously, are the malfoy's (and others) gonna be investigated? or will they flee to join Voldemort comepletely? if that's so, whats gonna happen to Draco? is he still gonna be able to og to hogwarts? whats everyone gonna think of him now that they believe harry, and know that his dad is a Death Eater....who essentially set the Basilisk on the school?

so anyway, thats all ive come up with so far, what do you guys think? and what else cna you think of?

Percy won't be the MoM because he's too young. I thought maybe Aragog would come to play in 6, but then i thought no, he's surved his full purpose in CoS. I think Narcissa will stay at the Malfoy's manor with Draco and he'll return to Hogwarts but i think Lucius will have to go wherever Voldemort is hiding because everyone would be looking for him after he breaks out of Azkaban. I don't think the flying car will even appear in 6 or 7. I think the tie between CoS and HBP is Tom Riddle. I know that JK said the HBP isn't Voldemort but i think it's Riddle because of something Dobby said in CoS. He said that the heir of slytherin wasn't Voldemort, even though it turned out it was, but he said it was a clue, i think he said "it was a clue sir, it was the dark lord when he could be freely named." I think JK is using this clue again hoping someone will get it and think it's Tom Riddle. I also think it's Tom Riddle because of course he's a halfblood and because he gets called 'Lord' Voldemort even though he isn't a Lord so i think calling him a Prince would just be the same.

Shuntpike, I bow down to you. That is a really nice theory. And by the way, J.K. Rowling said that Aragog had another role to play, she also said Book 6 and CoS have a similar, er storyline. So why not have the fool pop up in book 6. Maybe Rebeus will have him guard the forsests and the grounds for intruders. You know, in case any Death Eater's try and sneak up onto the school. I do not think of any other role he could have. Him and all his spiders could be like the guards of the grounds.

Kudos to you, Shuntpike!!! JKR did say that Voldemort wasn't the HBP, but she never DID say anything about Riddle, did she? All these good theories flying around for who he could actually be, and all the time, it turns out that it WAS him after all!!

But then, a la Usual Suspects, the greatest trick the devil ever pulled off was convincing the world that he didn't exist (or at least wasn't important )...hidden in plain sight after all!!!

I like Voldemort's idea about the spiders maybe protecting the grounds, but wouldn't they be a bit dangerous? How would Dumbledore stop them snacking on some inconsequential bit-parters? He couldn't fully control the Dementors after all, could he? Perhaps, as Aragog was in the school at the same time as Riddle and Myrtle that he saw more about what was really going on than he admitted to in CoS? He came to Hogwarts in the 'pocket of a traveller'...who could that have been?

Not sure about the car either...I reckon that's served all the purpose it was meant for...

I think that maybe the Basilisk or the CoS itself is important. I said on some other thread that the school motto is a bit suspicious...I won't repeat it here, but I think it's over in the About Erised thread in the book discussions if you're interested...

A motto that says, more or less, 'Never disturb a sleeping snake/dragon'? Kind of odd, isn't it?

Well, it wouldn't be hard to tell a Death Eater or someone under Tom's command, wouldn't they kinda be sneaking through everywhere? Don't think anyone who was there for buisness WITH Albus would walk striaght up, any imposters would be hiding in forest, and that is what Aragog could be guarding.

I like your theory about the Acromantula's (did i spell that right?) Voldemort. Maybe they would just patrol the forest, and maybe the Giant Squid would patrol the lake. Oh, and maybe the flying car could patrol the skies.

P.S. I was joking about the car

Sorry to be Miss. Negativity again, but I don't think the acromantula will gaurd anything as they're not even supposed to be in the forest, along with Grawp. and as well, I'm sticking withe the fact that Tom Riddle is Voldemort and not to really be separated...I mean they were the same person but different titles....if your name was originally Rob and you got a new job and changed your name to Casey, woulnd't you still be the same person? I dunno

tom riddle was the very first person i thouhgt of when i learned it wasnt harry or voldemort....ah, no one will believe me now....anyways, i dont really think itll be the Chamber itself, jsut becuz that seems so obvious. i mean, it is the title!

well, one of the big themes of book 2 was the whole choices over abilities and of course the "importance" of your blood, so i think thatll come back in, we might learn somethign about the original founders. or...this is probably a stupid theory....well, remember how Salazar Slytherin left the school when he had a disagreement with the others? well, since SLytherin is like a dark wizard house....maybe the whole SLytherin House will leave the school, and like go learn the dark arts in their own little school and serve under voldemort? i dunno, jsut a thouhgt

and about the Acromantulas.....i dunno, i think it would be hard to get them to "guard" the school, since Aragog couldnt stop them from trying to eat jsut jsut harry and ron, i dont think he could stop them form eating a whole group of students.

Hagrid could just tell the Acromantulas to be on the lookout for anyone trying to get through the forest and into the school, he wouldn't have to tell anybody, nobody else need know they're even there.

yeah thats true, but Aragog is the only one that listens to Hagrid. im sure teh spiders would try to eat anyone that comes thoruhg anyway. maybe they'll end up saving harry much the same way as the centaurs did

all right, this is a little off topic, but i dont want to start a new thread jsut for this: what do you think harry will do with the marauders map at the end? i imagine he'll pass it off to somebody else, but who? ginny's only a year under him, so i dont know about that. maybe mark evans? (lol)

Mark Evans is irrelevant to Harry Potter from now on. Maybe the Creevy Brothers?

i was joking about mark evans. the creevey brothers are a possibilty.

Imagine if he gave it to Filch, no one would have any fun. Yeah, he'd probably give it to Dennis Creevey or possibly a new characetr we'll meet in 6 or 7.

lol, that would suck if filch got it....but he doesnt know how to wrok it, cuz he actually had it in the first plae didnt he? well, let's see, harry got it in his tihrd year, so maybe the next person will too. what year is dennis? he'll be in his 3rd year right?

I think he'll be in fourth year, and i know Filch had it in the first place and that he couldn't work it, i was just joking.

Maybe Colin will get it? Maybe the next predecessor of Fred and George will be in Harry's year at Year 7.

For some reason I don't think JKR would use he Tom Riddle/Voldemort analogy again. Her wit is beyond that. The more I look at the previous 5 books and how they relate the more notice her subtle clues. Nothing is what it seems with her, you have to remember that. It won’t be someone as obvious as Tom Riddle or Voldemort. Psychologically everyone keeps going back to the theory that the HBP is Harry or Voldemort because we want it to be one of them and because it would be so obvious and make so much sense if Harry/Voldemort was the HBP. The answer is out there...we are just not looking hard enough.


I don't over-analyze....I THINK.

I'm not going to take credit for this, 'cos it's not my idea...Really sorry to whoever came up with it, but I can't remember which thread I read it on...

But I'm beginning to think that the HBP has to be Godric Gryffindor. He's the only one who really makes any sense, if you really think about it. JKR said that HBP was the original working title for CoS but she changed it because the end book didn't bear much resemblance to the title - well, it wouldn't do, would it, 'cos that book was more about Salazar Slytherin and mudbloods and stuff... But you can see why she considered that title, GG did kind of save the day after all.

Whether or not he's pure blood wouldn't really matter much either - he WAS the prince of half-bloods that day, and mudbloods and everyone else that the basilisk was after. You know, just like Robin Hood was 'the prince of thieves' - wasn't actually royal though, was he?

That is an excellent theory. But I think the HBP is still to be around. Godric is no longer around, as you know. So maybe the Heir of Godric is?

Good point, it could be Gryffindor, but i still think it's Tom Riddle, not because i want to, not because it's obvious, i just think it's him. At first i thought that it was Hagrid.

[SIZE=7] Does anyone agree with this? I think since wormtail was a marauder, he's going to tell Voldy the secret passage ways of the school and Voldy's going to try sneaking in, or send one of his death eaters in. Any ideas??
Also, wouldn't it be ironic if harry just happened to kill voldemort in godric's hollow? what do u guys think?

Or if those continuing rumours are true and Harry goes on to teach (supposing he lives, which I sincerely hope he does), maybe he will keep it and use it to spoil out of bed student's and their fun (sounds like a mid-life crisis doesn't it? Maybe Harry should die since he has nothing more to live for... unless he gets a girlfriend).

Why wouldn't he have anything else to live for? He's got just as much reason to live as you or me.

That last message was by me, i forgot to log in.

ok this might seem alittle out there but lets just say the malfoys do get investigated and Draco can no longer live with his parents or any relitive. And lets say Sirius is really dead, becuase the Malfoys are related to Sirius do you think that Malfoy could end up living in Grimis Place with harry?

I really dont think this will happen but just something i just thought of and wanted to put it out there for some comments.

the godric gryffindor theory cam from an editorial here on veritaserum, i mentioned it in the official HBP thread, theres a link there, everyone should read it, it makes a lot of sense, i think. oh and another thing, has JKR ever said if harry is GG's heir or not? i think i remember her saying he wasn't somewhere, but maybe someone else is. maybe neville!

heres that editorial about GG: http://www.veritaserum.com/editorials/cooper-hbp.shtml

Thanks, archangel.... Yep, makes an awful lot of sense. The only theory, IMHO, that really stands up against all the criticism thrown at it. I think everyone might be overanalysing the 'who is half blood, ergo, who is the prince' thing - it's probably more of a noun than an adjective, you know? 'The Prince of Halfbloods' - and mudbloods and everyone else for that matter.

About Neville, incidentally....I'm not taking anything away from him as a character, because I have no doubt whatsoever that he's going to be very important to the plot and here's why....

Neville is very forgetful. Could that be because there are horrors in his past too (ie, his parents being tortured into madness which, IMHO, in worse than losing them altogether) that he has shut out? His grandmother sends him remembrals, sends him howlers when his memory lapses result in Sirius (rest his handsome little soul) getting into the castle and so on...she's trying to help him in her own way.

Lupin, in PoA, chooses Neville to face the Boggart first. Aside from wanting to put Snape in his place and give Neville some confidence in himself (just 'cos that's the kind of wonderful guy Lupin is), why did JKR choose Neville? To make a point of Neville's grandmothers clothes, perhaps? A point further reiterated in OoTP at St Mungo's. She wears green, the same colour as Harry's eyes - JKR said colour of eyes was important. Green is a colour of protection and growth in myth - as well as Slytherin's house colours, of course - and is also the colour of the killing curse. Is Neville's gran trying to protect herself from something? And the vulture on her hat - there is an Egyptian goddess called Nekhbet who was depicted as having the head of a vulture. She protected the king and the royal family(!!!) from their enemies and was also the protector of mothers and children; a nurturer too, as Neville's gran is now nurturing and protecting him. However, she also had a fiercely protective side and was particularly important in battles - Nevill's gran is described in OoTP as 'a formidable witch'. Also, the vulture in the hieroglyphs is the griffon vulture (gryffindor??)....The crown of the pharoah had a snake (cobra - CoS duelling club?) and vulture combined, symbolising a united Egypt....

**sigh**

Which brings me (at last! I hear you cry!!) to my main point -

Neville's gran is wearing a symbol which guards royal blood from its enemies. Neville's in Gryffindor...ties to the GG theory...

Hence, while maybe not actually the HBP (which I still think is GG), Neville nonetheless will turn out to be one of the keys that will lead ultimately to the defeat of Voldemort. Neville, I think, will be the one to unite the houses - which the sorting hat predicts - and to give the protection and support to Harry when the final battle eventually comes.

Phew!! I think that's my longest post ever!!

So, what do you think?

Good theory, and I admire the long post.

But I do not think that JKR would put all that together like that. Maybe Granny and Neville will have a key plot. Neville uniting the houses and all. But I do NOT think that Neville and Granny are playing THAT MUCH of a big plot. However it is possible I do not deny.

That was one lovely theory! A very good one indeed. I also think the Half-Blood Prince will end up being Godric Gryffindor. Another thing I agree with is that Neville will have a big part in the next two books. I wonder if Harry will tell Neville about the prophecy.

Now I shall give my reasons on why I think it is Godric Gryffindor. Well J.K. Rowling said that how the two books relate to each other is because of a discovery Harry makes in the Chambe of Secrets that will foreshadow something that he finds out in The Half-Blood Prince. I think this has to do with Harry pulling Godric's sword from the Sorting Hat. I think what J.K. Rowling means by 'prince' is actually the protector of the people who are against Voldemort. He already helped Harry! If she does actually means a 'prince' and the Half-Blood Prince does end up being Godric, than I am guessing it will be someone of his blood since he is not alive anymore.

Exactly what I was thinking (and thanks, BTW!!!) - The HBP is GG, but, unfortunately, he's dead, so it has to be someone of his blood - it could be anyone really, I just thought that maybe Neville was the logical choice after the prophecy and everything. I'm sure Harry will tell Neville at some time about it, but knowing how everyone usually ridicules Trelawney and her classes, how much faith his friends will have in the prophecy anyway (everyone but Ron and Hermione, that is).

Incidentally Voldemort, I do agree that JKR wouldn't make a massive deal out of it, otherwise she would have called the series 'Neville Longbottom and the...whatever (doesn't really have the same ring to it, does it? ). However, uniting the houses for the 'final battle' is a pretty important role, whoever ultimately ends up doing it. After all, Harry wouldn't be much of a hero if he is capable of doing everything on his own. It would make him the world's biggest egotistical prat. Maybe that's part of the reason JKR offed Sirius - to show Harry that he can't go shooting off alone, he has to learn to think more before he reacts and he has to learn to consider other peoples' opinions more. He can't be the 'hero' all the time - no one gets there alone.

Exactly. Harry won't do it all alone though, he'll have some help doing it.

I may be missing the point completely but anyway...just because the story is Harry-centred, doesn't mean that another character can not take a central role. Sirius did in PoA and OotP to some degree. Yes, Harry was still there and still the main character, but Sirius was an important undercurrent. I'll shut up now and stop badgering you...

No lupraius (srry for spelling ). Yes, but everything is gonna role around Harry, him being the central role, and the main character.

Yes, but like she said, that doesn't mean there can't be another important character. Example, book 6 is called HBP, so it looks like this HBP is a very important character. Now, JK said the HBP isn't Harry, so it must be another character. This shows that other characters can also have a big impact on the story, so why can't Neville like Dana_Scully said?

JKR said that the link to CoS would be something he discovered...maybe it's the fact that he and Voldy share the same core(for their wand ) DONATED by Fawkes or that it's the choices you make that are important or that Gilderoy was a fake! Ahahahaha, my random gibbering!!! it's so raaaaandom

i think that was a great theory dana_scully, and i think its certain that neville will be important to the central plot, JK said it, i htink, and he's part of the prophecy. his grandmother thouhg....i had never even thouhgt of her before, i think she could be important, definately.

also another thing i was thinking about, is that JKR didnt use the HBP title becuz in the end, it didnt relate that much. now, a lot of book 2 focuses on your blood line and all that, and it talked about all the ancient wizards who started hogwarts, so im thinking, maybe, originally there was more about GG, and not jsut slytherin, and he was the prince of the half-bloods becuz he let them come to the school and all that, and at that time, who knows, maybe there was wizard royalty. JK might have cut out a whole bunch of parts that talked about GG and his feud with slytherin, so after she did that she decided the title didnt make much sense, so now, in book 6, she's gonna talk more about the past, and the beginning of hogwarts. i dont really think anyone is gonna be GG's heir or anyhting, but i think GG himself could be.

I think that Albus Dumbledore is the Heir to Godric Gryffindor. In CoS, Albus said, "Only your loyalty to me would've brought Fawkes to your aid tonight." Fawkes brought, what I am guessing, Albus's best defense for Tom at that time. It happens to be Godric's sword coming from Albus? That is why I think Albus is the Heir of Godric and possibly the HBP.

Oooh, too many posts in one day for me to follow!!!! Okay then....

Archangel....(thanks!!) That's exactly what I was thinking. So much about Salazar, but so little about Godric...there had to be a reason, right?

Luparius...excellent point....I was looking for something that would have been a significant discovery in CoS, and the fact that there's a phoenix feather in his wand is HIGHLY significant. I suppose we could start a new thread on all the discoveries HP made in CoS, but I really believe that the wand, and the fact that he pulled the sword from the hat, were the important ones.

Voldemort....I think that it's definately a possibility that Dumbledore is related to GG somewhere along the line, although I do feel that people are getting a little bit too hung-up on the heir business. I think that might be because they think that the HBP has to be currently alive, and I don't think that's necessarily the case. As I said on another thread somewhere, the HBP might be more of a figurehead (embodied in GG) than anything else. The significance of what Dumbledore said in your quote can't be denied though....

Maybe I am. But again, In book 4, Tom Riddle says, "Albus Dumbledore, champions of MUDBLOODS and MUGGLES...etc." Couldn't half-blood's be there too? But nevertheless, maybe I'm trippin.

That could be possible, I guess...but I agree with Scully, I think people are getting way to concerned with the possibilty of GG having an heir. People are going on about how there won't be another central character other thanHarry who will take center stage, but if JK introduces an heir, that's exactly what will happen. She would have to include an entire history and blah blah...On the other hand, I think the HBP is someone living as JKR said we'd been introduced to them before. It just seems to me to indicate a living person, as opposed to someone we've heard of....But hey, if it is a dead person or GG I'll be in for a big "Told ya so!". That is if the book EVER comes out.....XD

all right well, yeah, maybe people are getting too hung up on this heir business, but if antyone is GG's heir, its DD. think about it. SLytherin and Gryffindor: two fo the greatest wizards of their time, both strong, but with opposite viewpoints and they had a feud going on. Voldemort: Slytheirn's only living heir. And who's the opposite of Voldemnort, with opposite veiwpoints who's as strong (or stronger) than voldemort? DD of course. stands to reason that HE would be GG's heri, the tow heirs continuing the feud?

still im beginning to think more and more that the HBP isnt going to be a real person, or if it is, not living. i dunno. all i know is, is that when book 6 coems out, we're all in for a big shock.

oh yeah, and dana_scully, about starting a new thread with all the discoveries he made in COS, well thats what the tie is, is what he discovered, so jsut post all that in here.

Exactly my point. That very theory was tested and proven in Chamber of Secrets.

yeah it does make sense. i don think harry is gonna be GG's heir. actually, hasn't JK said somewhere, specifically, he isn't? im not sure.

Some other important facts are Harry's loyalty to Albus brought GODRIC GRYFFINDOR'S best weapon. I find this significant.

Oh yeah, definately. (I take it you mean as opposed to Rowena Ravenclaw's weapon or Helga Hufflepuff's....)

Do you think that maybe GG is the only one who really put up much of a fight against Salazar Slytherin's pure blood obsession? You know, like the Bloody Baron is the only one who can control Peeves? I mean, my Mom said something interesting the other day - why are the others so quiet? Why is it always GG and SS fighting, at least significantly. Did the others just stand by and watch or what? Is there any significance maybe to the fact that the two main protagonists are men? Why didn't the women do something to stop their feuding?

Maybe the whole background to the four founders, which was also discovered in CoS, is important too?

They were never described as being quiet. I just think that the reason everyone is so concentrated on GG and SS because Harry and Malfoy are in those houses now and are enemies. In the book the four were talked about together evenly. The only time they were separate was when they were discussing the founders of their own houses. Since the story in centered around Harry we'd naturally hear more about GG and since Malfoy is close to Harry (in the fact they hate each other so much) we'd hear a lot about SS. (Plus the whole heir of SS thing) Harry's not really close to anyone in Ravenclaw or HUfflepuff so there's not a whole lot to discuss about them either....

Just to clear things up before someone else points this out (Haha...XD) Harry new he had a phoenix feather in his core, same as Voldy's in book 1. He just discovered it was from Fawkes in book2.....