I can't seem to find anything about this, at least anything current in this forum or the book 7 forum, so I figured that I'd post it here. This is where all the action is. My apologies if I'm wrong.

Anyway, the biggest mystery in all of the books has always been about what really happened the night Harry's parents were killed. We have slowly gathered more and more information, but we don't have the full picture yet. I think that the truth about this night may have serious implications for future events. I'm interested in figuring out who was there, why they were there, and what they did.

Here are some things we know:

1. Lilly and James knew that they were targeted by Voldemort and were in hiding (wormtail was their secret keeper) Did this mean that they knew Voldemort had heard part of the prophecy and had decided that their son had to die or were they just hiding because they were in the order. I don't recall this being explained.

2. Wormtail betrayed them after being pressured by Voldemort.

3. Voldemort killed James but told Lilly she could leave if she wanted to and he wouldn't hurt her. Why did he do this? Does it have something to do with his own mother? Does it have something to do with Snape loving Lilly?

4. Lilly chose to die and this choice of love for her son created an ancient magic that Voldemort didn't know about. When he tried to kill Harry, this magic bounced his AK curse back at him and sort of killed him. (not completely, due to the horcruxes? I'm not sure about this. Was he then in some sort of spirit form or did he die and later get revived through a horcrux?)

5. Wormtail killed some wizards or muggles. (I'm also not sure about this. I believe Sirius was accused of killing several people that night, but it was actually wormtail, or Voldemort, or somebody else.)

6. Wormtail gathered Voldemorts belongings. His wand and such.

7. Sirius arrived and Wormtail faked his death, putting the blame on
Sirius. How did Sirius know this was happening? I believe that there is some explanation to this regarding him looking for Wormtail and not finding him where he should be and expecting the worst. Could there be more to this?

8. Hagrid arrives on Dumbledore's orders. How did Dumbledore know this so fast. It is apparently before the authorities got there because Sirius was still there and gave Hagrid his motorcycle. Hagrid had no idea that Sirius was going to be accused of killing people at that point. If the Auror's had arrived, Hagrid would have known about it.

So, this is a quick, probably spotty rundown of my understanding of that night. I think there is more to come in the last book, but I also think that book six gives us further information to look at. Knowing that Snape was the one to reveal the prophecy to Voldemort, is it possible that he was also there? Is it possible, knowing that he felt remorse for his decision to reveal this to Voldemort that he was trying to stop it. One longshot theory I have is that it was all part of Dumbledore's plan. When Snape came back and told him what he had done, he allowed the Potters to be sacrificed in order to create the chosen one. He knew, according to the prophecy, that Voldemort had to mark the child as his equal. That the prophecy couldn't come true without Voldemort trying to kill Harry. Perhaps he knew that James and Lilly had to die, but chose to allow it anyway. This is why there is so much secrecy regarding that night. He doesn't want Harry to know this. It's just a theory. Anyway, throw stuff like that at this topic and lets see what sticks.

Yea, i think it's a good idea to ask what happened...it was where everything started and where i believe it will end...anyway i'm gonna post my ideas, try answer questions and pose further questions below in response to what vulturemort said...

vulturemort and laurax3

Think you did an excellent job of summarizing this night... it gets confusing because it happens at midnight on October 31st.

I've just reread Sorcerer's Stone... and got the impression that after hearing the prophecy... c.August 1979... Dumbledore watched very carefully possibly that August and the next for children born to Order members.

So it could have been that once Harry and Nelville were born... it was Dumbledore who suggested they go into hiding... REMEMBER he voluteered to be their Secret Keeper... but when they told him they'd already chosen Sirius... he was cool with that.

The Potters switched Secret Keepers at the last minute to keep Voldemort from torturing Sirius...

Maybe Regulus was the one to warn Sirius of Wormtail's treachery... and Voldemort's plan... after he realized that Voldemort planned to kill not just any baby... but his brother's best friend's baby !!

I think it is very important to remember that Sirius, Regulus, Lupin, Peter Pettigrew, Snape, James, and Lily were only 19 or 20 at most when this was going down... and none of them could have stood up to Voldemort.

You have a 20 year old Snape... and a 19 year old Regulus... possibly both changing sides that night when the realize someone they love is being threatened.

The only question you didn't ask that I can think of is... how Harry survived when the house was blown up ? He was in the second floor nursery.

Great topic... will be fun to watch !!

OK, I will answer the questions and concerns first and then throw it my perspectives at the end.

vulturemort

Yes and we never saw LV using his wand before Wormtail rejoined him. And he killed no one. We know this from book4, we saw Cedric, Frank Bryce, the women that was working in the minister and then directly Lily and James Potter. He didn't have his wand these 13 years, unless he was too weak to use it which I don't believe.

I just went through the Lexicon timeline for that evening. Apparently, Sirius doesn't meet up with Wormtail until the next evening, the same time that Dumbledore puts Harry on the doorstep. I never realized that there was a missing day in between Harry's parents death and the night he was brought to the Dursley's. We must remember, that Vernon went to work, the day after the killings and saw all of the wizards out celebrating. It wasn't until that night that Harry came to his doorstep. Apparently, Hagrid had Harry for an entire day before he dropped Harry off. What was going on that day? Where was Dumbledore. I would imagine that he was preparing the protection of Harry at the Dursleys. Hagrid also met up with McGonigal that day and told her to go to the Dursleys that night.

And thanks to your post in the R.A.B thread... we know too that Regulus is already dead. So my thought that Regulus died because he warned Sirius about being Secret Keeper or Wormtail's betrayal... 3 posts back is nill and void !!

I'm starting to doubt the Lexicon timeline. I don't know where they got the date for Regalus's death. It was never mentioned. The Lexicon does a lot of research, but it isn't absolute fact. I was thinking that according to what we know, Regalus could have been alive up to the night that Harry's parents died, or Voldemort was defeated.

The thought occured to me that maybe Regalus is the reason that Sirius changed his mind about being the secret keeper. Perhaps he was afraid of what Voldemort would ask Regalus to do to get to the Potters. He didn't want to have to face his brother as an enemy. Of course if anyone knows how the Lexicon came up with that death information for Regalus, I would love to hear it.

I haven't heard anything about the lost day between Harry's parents' death and his arrival at the Dursley's. Was anyone aware that this happened? I had never realized it before.

While mining the Lexicon for information, I came across a question about Dumbledore. How did he know so much about what happened that night? How would he know that Voldemort gave Lilly the chance to escape and that her refusal was what saved Harry? He knows everything about that night but supposedly he wasn't there. I never thought about this. If he was somehow watching it happen, did he not interfere because he knew that it had to happen? Did he hear about it from someone else that was there? It's interesting.

Finally, Bumblebee, I just noticed on the Lexicon that your name can be translated into the old english word Dumbledore. I assume that is where you got it from. Great work.

i think its all about lili, all the books its self has to be with lili, the sacriface, the `protectiion , the love, and whats more important that he love harry , and merope didnt love voldemort, merope die because she doesnt want to live and dont care her son, lili die for his son she choose die for let his son live , th love LOVE IS THE KEY, MOTHERS LOVE. jk rowling was a single mother when she think in the story and all the books are her legacy for theirs sons , i think this is why the mothers love is so important, harrys mom, voldemorts mom, and even snape mother is a key in book six.

Aloha! Just wanted to let you guys know that there's another thread pretty similar to this one here. It's more focused on the question of whether or not someone else was there that night, and if so, who, so I don't know if the mods care, but I just thought I'd show you. Okay, so the real reason is that I have a long and awesome timeline in there that I don't want to recreate

Is it possible for the mods to tag this thread onto the end of the other one? I just didn't see that thread in my search and I think that it would be good to get everyone together. It seems to me that this night is what all of the books center around, yet we don't know the whole truth. It's got to be a big part of the next book.

Vulturemort -- generally I'm quite impressed with the Lexicon. They occasionally get it wrong, and it takes rather a long time before a correction is made, but they do try to stick to dates that can be deduced from dates and ages mentioned in the books. I don't know how the Lexicon came up with a date of Regulus's death. If it is true that Regulus died just shortly after the prophecy, he is less likely to be R.A.B. but it does rather strengthen my theory of why Sirius passed the secret keeper job to Wormtail.
For those who haven't seen it, the theory of what happened between Sirius and Regulus is here.

Bumblebee,

The one thing that I noticed in the lexicon that made me think there might be some inaccuracy is that it gives two different years for the date of the prophecy. If you look at the timeline, it shows the prophecy, along with the death of Regalus, during 1980. If you look at the Trelawny page, it says that she made the prophecy in 1979 and that she has been on the Hogwarts staff since 1979.

It is possible that they are pulling information from interviews for the death of Regalus, but there isn't anything in the books that specifically gives a reference point for the time of his death. There isn't a specific reference for the date of the prophecy either. At least with the prophecy, we know that it happened within a year of Harry's birth. They are usually pretty accurate. They do a lot of research, but they aren't 100% correct all the time. What do you think?

I am also think that you are right about Regalus and Sirius, if the dates allow. I don't know if they met or not, but I am pretty sure that Sirius decided not to be the secret keeper because of Regalus. In POA Harry says, "You killed my parents". Sirius says, "I don't deny it. But if you only knew the whole story." It is clear that he is feeling guilt for allowing Wormtail to be the secret keeper. He would only do such a thing for a good reason. I doubt that it was that he was scared of torture. It has to be that he didn't want to have to kill his own dumb brother.

Or that he didn't have to force his brother to keep a secret on which the lives of Lily and James was hinged. Perhaps Sirius intended Regulus to have the option of betraying him, without endangering any others. Then Sirius's act would have been truly an act of sacrifice ... ensuring Regulus's safety as well as the safety of the Potters.

Oh, and about the timeline... I think that Jo Rowling narrowed the time of the prediction down to a date between "somewhere in September 1979" at the earliest (but after the start of the school yesr) and "spring 1980" at the latest. So Sybill could have made the prophecy in 1980.

Following my "Regulus warns Sirius" theory, the date of the meeting must have been a while after the prophecy, because Voldemort did not immediately focus on the Potters. So it is unlikely in my view that Regulus died in 1979.

I'm positive that we'll find out more about what happened at Godric's Hollow and it will have great significance on the rest of the series.

Thats really all I have to say, heh. sorry

cheese puff?

I can't imagine what he could find on Godric's Hollow which would help him. Dumbledore must've checked the place throughly for any sign.

I was thinking about who could possibly explain what happened to Harry. Pretty much everybody that was involved is now dead. There are several people that probably know quite a bit, but I think that Wormtail probably knows the most. Is it possible that he will explain events to Harry?

Chacho,

We know that Wormtail used Voldemorts wand, the same wand that was used to kill James and Lilly, to kill Cedric in the graveyard. We know this because when the prior incantatum (sp?) happens, all of those people come back as ghosts. It seems logical to me that Wormtail had the wand since that night. Somebody had to get it.

Yes, we know it was the same wand, but we don't know how he got hold of it.

I don't remember when Wormtail returned to Voldemort, or even found out he was alive, but anyone could've taken his belongings from the house that night.

Could be a death eater, someone from MoM or maybe even Dumbledore, though I doubt he'd keep it on a place it could easily be stolen.

If you want to discuss your theories on why Voldemort offered to spare Lilys life, you can find a thread on this in Books under the General section. I started a thread on this and a fair few people have stated some really good theories. So if you have any curiosities or theories, feel free to state it in there. The thread is called 'Why Did Voldemort Offer To Spare Lilys Life?'

Look forward to talking to you there.

I see that there are a few topics out there that cover bits and pieces of this night. I still think it is a good idea to have a single comprehensive place to tie things together. In other words, I think we can all get along. I've found some great information in the other threads listed in some of the posts above. Here are a few big questions that I have come up:

1. Was Regalus still alive near the night at Godric's Hollow, and if so, was he the reason that Sirius gave up his role as secret keeper?

2. What happened between the time that Hagrid rescued Harry and the point that he dropped him off at the Dursley's? There is a missing day in there.

3. Was Wormtail there that night?

4. Did Dumbledore know this was going to happen and allow it to go on in order to fulfill the prophecy?

Wotcha guys, long time no see! To answer Vulturmort...

1. Was Regalus still alive near the night at Godric's Hollow, and if so, was he the reason that Sirius gave up his role as secret keeper?

I don't think so - I have no real evidence to back it up but I got the impression that Regulus had died before Sirius went to Azkaban.

2. What happened between the time that Hagrid rescued Harry and the point that he dropped him off at the Dursley's? There is a missing day in there.

Indeed - did Hagrid go into hiding? He obviously could not use Sirius' bike in daylight, and I guess because he was not a qualified wizard, he could not apparate either.

3. Was Wormtail there that night?

Impossible to say. (Sorry to be negative, but it is as yet)

4. Did Dumbledore know this was going to happen and allow it to go on in order to fulfill the prophecy?

You mean would he have let Lily and James die? Probably not - I think he was taken in by wormtail like the rest. It's accepted that he did not necessarily believe in the prophecy.
I think that Dumbledore always knew Voldemort would return though - you remember when he said that he believed him to be in Bulgaria?

Oz,

I'm trying to figure out if Regalus was the reason that Sirius gave up his position as secret keeper. Regalus would have to be alive at this point, which is prior to Sirius's arrest. This is my best guess as to why he would put his friends at risk. We know that the order was aware of a traitor amongst them. Sirius would know that he had to make a choice that may kill them. He wouldn't do that lightly. There had to be a good reason. I think that he was afraid that he might have to kill his brother. He knew that Voldemort would use Regalus to come after him and he couldn't face that. That is why I think that Regalus was alive around the time of Lilly and James's death. It could be that Regalus felt the same way and that is why he left the death eaters and was killed.

Also, we know that Wormtail had Voldemort's wand in the graveyard in GOF. He was the only death eater with Voldemort at that time. It seems like he must have gotten the wand after Voldemort was killed. Since he was the secret keeper, and a friend of James and Lilly, it would make sense that he would be valuable for Voldemort to bring along.

1. Was Regalus still alive near the night at Godric's Hollow, and if so, was he the reason that Sirius gave up his role as secret keeper?
I think these two things are not related. I've come to the belief that Regulus talked to Sirius about defecting from the Death Eaters, and that it could have been because Voldemort had asked Regulus to betray the Marauders, and that if Regulus told Sirius this, Sirius could have been so anxious about the possibility that he might be a source of betrayal that he persuaded Peter to become secret-keeper instead, leaving Regulus the option to betray Sirius without danger to the others if it could save his life. This is just the kind of thing that a fiercely loyal man like Sirius would do.
I think that Regulus was killed before the night at Godric's Hollow. I believe that Regulus would certainly have sought for a way to redeem himself in his own eyes, and that he might have stumbled upon Voldemort's Horcrux secret in the course of spying on Voldemort while he was thinking about leaving the Death Eaters, and decided to steal and destroy it to deal Volvemort a mortal blow, expecting to perish after leaving the Death Eaters anyway.

2. What happened between the time that Hagrid rescued Harry and the point that he dropped him off at the Dursley's? There is a missing day in there.
I think that it must have taken some time before the wizarding world could have become aware of Voldemort's disappearance, and even longer to believe that he was gone. Everyone would have been very careful at first not to hope too much, in case Voldemort would come back and kill them for their disloyalty. Only a few Death Eaters would have known where he had gone. Lily and James were in hiding, the news of their deaths won't have reached the wizarding community immediately and Peter Pettigrew would not have told anyone. The first ones who knew would be the members of the Order. They would have wanted to investigate before sending wild rumours about. Thus, Dumbledore had entrusted Harry in Hagrid's safekeeping before making any decisions.
I'd say this whole scenario could well have taken up most of an entire day.

3. Was Wormtail there that night?
I don't think so. He is a coward, why would he want to be associated with the scene of his crime?

4. Did Dumbledore know this was going to happen and allow it to go on in order to fulfill the prophecy?
It's hard to see how he could have let Lily and James die, even if he would have been on the side of letting history run its course. He wouldn't have taken a prophecy as proof of a fixed course of history though. Remember that he was sceptical about Divination and set the importance of individual choices above prophecies.
[Edit:] here is a link to what I said about prophecies elsewhere : Prophecies

Vulturemort, I'm not sure if Dumbledore mentioned Bulgaria, but he definitely mentioned Albania.

Bumblebee,

I don't think that Regalus and Sirius ever talked to each other about the situation they were in. When Sirius talks about Regalus, he doesn't seem to know much and he has a very low opinion of him. Is there a reason that he would hide information from Harry? It would be interesting if Regalus and Sirius both turned away from their respective sides in order to protect their family. It's even more interesting when you think that Regalus possibly risked his life to save his brother and Sirius never knew it. He simply thought his brother was foolish and over his head.

I hear you, Vulturemort, and it's certainly strangely inconsistent if the brothers confided in each other and Sirius didn't tell Harry. However, it's also possible that Regulus and Sirius met and didn't tell each other everything that they were thinking and planning.
What if Regulus was a lot more courageous than Sirius gave him credit for? What if Sirius thought 'oh, here's my stupid little brother whining about the mess he is in' while Regulus was determined not to tell anyone, not even his brother, what he was going to do, believing that they were all under imminent threat of being killed for their knowledge?
Wouldn't such a plot, in which the brothers couldn't help each other in much the same way that Harry and Sirius couldn't, be worthy of Jo Rowling's devilish mind?

Oz

Perhaps Wormtail was there to help in the preparations for creating the final horcrux that night. That is why he knows about the horcrux. That is why he was involved with returning Voldemort to his body. The fact that he is weak and easily corrupted, or eliminated if necessary, makes him a good candidate as an assistant. Perhaps Voldemort didn't trust any of his more powerful death eaters with such important information because he feared that they might use it to gain an advantage themselves.

I think that Wormtail picked up Voldemort's wand later ... MUCH later ... like twelve and a half years later ... I don't see how he could have had it in his possession while hiding as a rat.

This leaves the question: why hadn't anybody else found it before? Godric's Hollow was presumably thoroughly searched by the Order, how could they have missed it? Was it protected by a spell? Or did somebody hide it? Who?

Wormtail could have sneaked back to Godric's Hollow after the killings, he could in fact have been the first person to find out that Voldemort had fallen. That would explain his urge to escape. So he could have hidden the wand somewhere, because he certainly would not have wanted to be caught with such an incriminating object.

Bumblebee,

Why couldn't Wormtail take the wand that night and hide it somewhere? He didn't go into hiding as Scabbers until the next day when he ran into Sirius. It seems more likely that the wand left Godric's Hollow immediately after Voldemort was defeated. If it were any later, you would think that someone would have found it. After all, it was at the scene of probably the most important event in wizard history. I would think that the place was thoroughly searched and it probably didn't take long for the ministry to arrive there. If they could respond to Harry using magic underage almost immediately, you would think that it wouldn't take long for them to arrive at the Potters. I can't say this is a certainty, but it seems to be the most logical answer that I can come up with right now.

Vulturemort,
Did you read the second part of my post? I think that we're not necessarily disagreeing here. I think it is possible that Wormtail was the first person on the scene and hid the wand somewehere nearby.

Bumblebee,

Sorry if I misunderstood. The first part made me think that you were talking about coming back 12 years later. I understand now. I still think that he was there the whole time and was brought there by Voldemort. He's the typical cowardly assistant that you see with a lot of villians.

I think that we can find out what exactly happenned in Godric's Hollow.With Pensieve and Harry's memory.

Remember in POA when Dementors are forcing Harry to remember his most terrible memories?In POA we found out details about Lilly's and James's death we never knew.Although no something important.

I think that in book 7 Harry is going to find out everything we need to know.

The reason that Harry never tried to see his own memory is the same reason he never wanted to know what was the occupation of his parents or stuff about them.Because that stuff are hurting him.

Ok we pretty much know this much... there was probably someone else at Godric's Hollow that night. Here's a quote:

(from interview with The Leaky Cauldron and MN, July 16, 2005)

"MA: Was there anyone else present in Godric’s Hollow the night Harry’s parents were killed?
JKR: No comment.
[All laugh.]
JKR: I’m sorry!"

Any theories on who else is present? I think it was Snape! DD states that prior to LV's downfall, Snape turned spy for the other side... so maybe, just maybe, Snape was there that night with LV, and the plan was not to kill Lily... he was only supposed to kill Harry. But Lily refused to step out of the way. We know that LV definitely would have let Lily live if she had stepped aside:

(from interview with The Leaky Cauldron and MN, July 16, 2005)

"ES: This is one of my burning questions since the third book - why did Voldemort offer Lily so many chances to live? Would he actually have let her live?

JKR: Mmhm.

ES: Why?

JKR: [silence] Can't tell you. But he did offer, you're absolutely right. Don't you want to ask me why James's death didn't protect Lily and Harry? There’s your answer, you've just answered your own question, because she could have lived and chose to die. James was going to be killed anyway. Do you see what I mean? I’m not saying James wasn't ready to; he died trying to protect his family but he was going to be murdered anyway. He had no - he wasn't given a choice, so he rushed into it in a kind of animal way, I think there are distinctions in courage. James was immensely brave. But the caliber of Lily's bravery was, I think in this instance, higher because she could have saved herself. Now any mother, any normal mother would have done what Lily did. So in that sense her courage too was of an animal quality but she was given time to choose. James wasn't. It's like an intruder entering your house, isn't it? You would instinctively rush them. But if in cold blood you were told, "Get out of the way," you know, what would you do? I mean, I don't think any mother would stand aside from their child. But does that answer it? She did very consciously lay down her life. She had a clear choice -

ES: And James didn't.

JKR: Did he clearly die to try and protect Harry specifically given a clear choice? No. It's a subtle distinction and there's slightly more to it than that but that's most of the answer.

MA: Did she know anything about the possible effect of standing in front of Harry?

JKR: No - because as I've tried to make clear in the series, it never happened before. No one ever survived before. And no one, therefore, knew that could happen."

Personally I think Snape was there... I think he went with LV and LV told him he would only kill Harry and not Lily... and I think that Snape was either a)in love with Lily or b)cared alot about her because she did something nice for him in school. I think that after Snape saw LV kill Lily, he left LV's following and turned spy for the order.

Any suggestions?

Nice idea on Snape being there but why would he have been, what was the need for his presence? Surely if Voldemort thought himself to be such a great wizard and he never trusted anyone or considered anyone as a friend then why wouldn't he just go and kill Harry on his own? There was no need for anyone else to be present.
Also, why was he willing to ley Lily live, I thought Voldemort worked on a "you're either with me or you're against me" and JKR has aready said that neither Lily nor James were ever working for Voldemort so, in theory, Voldemort would have killed Lily anyway, whether she stepped aside or not.
If Snape was in love with Lily he had a really funny way of showing it, we saw in one of the memories in Half Blood Prince that she tried to be nice to him and he ended up calling her a mudblood and having a real go at her, doesn't really seem like the words and actions of a man in love or even a man who cares.
Just my thoughts,
Penny for your own?
Rach xxx

Of course wormtail used voldemorts wand because it was he who killed lily and james potters. That proves wormtail didn't have his wand because when the wand bond happened, cedric, frank bryce, and harry's parents came out.

I am not trying to insult anybody here. It seems like a lot of people are reading too much into the timeline. If JK has any faults, is that she is liberal with time. If you can figure out the general sequence of events, you proabably understand what is going on.

I always remember that Harry tells Sirius that Dudley smashed his PlayStation game in book 4. This would be about 2 or 3 years before the PlayStation came out (if I remember right). She gives the wrong day of the week for Halloween in Chamber of Secrets. JK does not adhere strictly to accurate timelines.

Snape called Lily a mudblood in his worst memory. Maybe that's why it's the worst.

JK said a good question is "Why did DD have Jame's cloak?" The some one who was there after the smash was under the cloak. Snape turned traitor to LV after he realized he was going to kill the Potters. DD put Snape, with the cloak, in the area of the house but couldn't tell him the secret as he wasn't the secret keeper. Not sure why but maybe to warn DD if LV showed up. After the Potters died there was no secret to keep so Snape could see the remains of the house. He found the wand and kept it because he's playing both ends against the middle. He didn't kill Harry because he thought LV was dead and maybe Harry was the next Dark Lord. At any rate LV had just been destroyed and if he couldn't kill Harry maybe it wasn't safe to try.

Yer thats a really good idea about Snapes worst memory not being that he was humilliated by James and Siruis, (i think thats what happend) but because he called Lilly a mudblood!! maybe after that she didnt like him much ? surely he would have worse memorys tho, if i remember rightly all that happend was sirius and James bullied him abit? So yer i think there could be another reason why it was his worst. If Snape really did Love lilly then as Voldies right hand man, maybe he was gonner keep lilly alive for Snape ? this is the first time ive heard this theroy and i think its a good one.

Thanks to a post by JK in the rumors section of her site, we know Snape wasn't under the cloak.

If someone else was there, under the cloak, when LV fell and saw to LV's wand. Why not give it to DD? They had the cloak so DD trusted them and wanted them there but they weren't trustworthy. Sounds like Wormtail. The Potters switched to him at the last moment so maybe DD asked him to be there as security that night. He didn't ask Serius because he thought he was the secret keeper and was in hiding.

OR the cloak had nothing to do with GH and was being used somewhere else.

My biggest question about what happened at Godrics Hollow that night was why Voldy had told Lily that she could go if she wanted to and that he wouldn't hurt her. Why would he do this? In the first reply on the page, the person said that it probably had to do with Snape's luv for her..............but in my opinion, I DON'T THINK HE LUVED HER! Thats all I have to say. Everything is already said.

I RECKON THE POTTERS LIVED IN DUMBLEDORES HOUSE
grodrics hollow
grodric griffindor

i rekon albus was a decendant
head of griffindor house- transfiguration teecha
in griffindor house

i think snape and lupin both liked lilly so tehy tryed to help
wormtail was a traitor
lupin and sirius were both m8s with james too!
o yea has n e 1 fround out theier jobs- james n lillys?importantly but sirius'? possibly lupin? wormtail. snape aswell !!!!!!!!!!!!???????????

i garantee wormatail was tehr!

Can someone please let me know if there is any evidence in the books that on this night DD knew that LV was half blood because if he didn’t he have thought like everyone else that Neville was the target.