doomed_renascence
Sep 5 2004, 08:33 PM
.....oh dear. you're quite right! o_0 i'm hoping it will come out before i go to college too! xD i'm definately skipping classes to go off and read it! (okay, maybe not but eh, you never know

)
err we're being off topic...*aherm* *coughs* yeah...amelia bones for the new MoM! wh00t haha.
LuciusMalfoy
Sep 7 2004, 03:58 AM
Yeah, we'll just have to wait and see who the new MoM is gonna be.
Oh, and it took her 3 years to write OotP because she was mentally frustrated from the deadlines and not to mention the fact that she had some major writer's block when writing GoF. She needed a break, and time to write at a pace that would allow her SOME free time.
But I do hope she gets the 6th book out soon. Hopefully sometime next year.
mary498
Sep 7 2004, 09:36 PM
definitely malfoy... jk said something about us seeing more of draco's mother because his father will be "very busy"...
BellatrixBlack
Sep 7 2004, 09:54 PM
Would they appoint a Malfoy? I dont think so, but that is an interesting thought. Would they trust her? I say its either gonna be Kingsley or Bones, so who knows.
doomed_renascence
Sep 9 2004, 12:03 AM
hrmm...didn't it say somewhere that narcissa was a death eater? okay, it's probably fanfiction messing with my mind. she didn't show up in the GoF =\
no, i don't think narcissa had anything to do with the ministry, since nobody mentions her much
LuciusMalfoy
Sep 10 2004, 03:34 PM
I've never heard of her being a Death Eater. The only thing I'm expecting from her in the upcoming books is to take care of Draco and be really upset that her husband is in prison. That doesn't mean I don't think she'll have more signifigance in the books, it's just that I can't think of anything else. *shrugs*
But I don't think she'll be the new MoM.
realbullet
Sep 13 2004, 01:02 AM
I think it is going to be Kingsley, but he'll be killed in the story.
BellatrixBlack
Sep 13 2004, 02:58 PM
It said that Bellatrix as his only female Death Eater. Oh gosh I hope Kingsley doesnt get killed. Hey maybe it'll be Lupin

. By the end of the series at least, if he doesnt die. I'm sure by then those warewolf laws wont be around so it might be Lupin! Lupin for Mom!!!
Lynn
Sep 13 2004, 03:11 PM
I want a woman for MoM! But Amelia? We don't know her......
Hermione is too young. uhm... hey what about McGonagall?
Yeah she'll have to leave Hogwarts. So what??
realbullet
Sep 13 2004, 07:03 PM
McGonagall is going to replace Dumbledore when he is killed in book 7.
SuperStar
Sep 13 2004, 09:40 PM
how do you know that? or is that just a guess?
realbullet
Sep 13 2004, 10:00 PM
It's just a guess. Sorry if it sounds like I know what I'm talking about.
LuciusMalfoy
Sep 14 2004, 04:51 AM
No, I think Dumbledore will die in book 7 also...so yeah, McGonagall is going to be the new Headmistress. I think it would be cool if it was Lupin and I think I've said that before.
Lupin for MoM!
BellatrixBlack
Sep 14 2004, 02:47 PM
Lupin for MoM!!!! I do think Dumbldore is gonna die, thats the impression I got from the books anyways. Anyhoo, it would be cool if the MoM was a female, maybe for books 6-7 it will be a female, but at the end let it be Lupin. Lupin for MoM!!!
LuciusMalfoy
Sep 14 2004, 04:56 PM
Yes, first a woman and then Lupin.
Vote Lupin! lol
realbullet
Sep 15 2004, 12:43 AM
Lupin makes no sense as MoM. How could a werewolf enter politics? And would he have any interest in politics (ex. dealing nicely with big contributors like Malfoy.)
Kingsley makes the most sense as MoM -- he has the position, the experience & is linked to DD. Amelia Bones may be next, but I don't thinke we knwo enough about her to think she has the experience in the ministry to become MoM.
I'd still like to know how one becomes MoM -- can you imagine the campaign:
"A vote for me is a vote against terror!"
"It's the economy stupid!!!"
Swift Broom Veterans against Fudge!
LuciusMalfoy
Sep 15 2004, 04:55 PM
What's wrong with a werewolf becomeing MoM? He's just as normal as any other wizard...what's wrong with that? huh?
But I do think you are right about him maybe not being interested in politics. I think he likes teacher better...
But I'd still want him to be MoM.
But other than Lupin I want it to be Amelia Bones.
realbullet
Sep 16 2004, 02:06 AM
"What's wrong with a werewolf becomeing MoM?"
Because it is a political post. Regardless of how sympathetic Lupin is, he would still need to gain general consensus on votes and trade favors to achieve his ideas. A werewolf would not be very successful in doing this.
Not that a werewolf is the only one. I'm not in politics for the same reason! --- I couldn't stand the compromises needed.
LuciusMalfoy
Sep 16 2004, 04:07 AM
Where's Bella when I need her?
So, what? I still don't see a problem with him being the MoM. People could like him, especially once he helps save the world by fighting all those Death Eaters and Voldy.
doomed_renascence
Sep 17 2004, 11:56 PM
I would support Lupin if he would run as the Minister...but isn't it a bit weird?
I mean, yes he is extremely intelligent and just. But he is a werewolf, thus he transforms monthly. People might become suspicious of this, and starting bad rumors about him. Or some might find out about him being a werewolf, causing even more trouble.
So even if he is a good candidate, the werewolf problem just gets in the way, like it does to everything else. *sigh* Poor Lupin
LuciusMalfoy
Sep 18 2004, 01:52 AM
I honestly don't think he would want the job anyway. lol. So it doesn't really matter.
If I could vote I'd vote for Amelia Bones for sure.
Louise
Sep 18 2004, 07:36 AM
I don't think I need to say again how much I absolutely adore our poor, maligned, beloved Lupin, but I have to agree with realbullet on this one....
Yes, it would be wonderful if everyone could look past his....er...slight problem...but they just won't do that. Besides, as Lucius said, I doubt he'd want the job anyway. Being a politician requires a certain personality and I really don't think Lupin has that. He's far too nice! His value to the Order would be in other ways.
He'd have my vote anyday, of course he would, but that's beside the point really....I guess....
I suppose it would be a little like voting a convicted murderer to be Prime Minister....it might be common knowledge that he (or she) was actually innocent, but that wouldn't change how the public would perceive such a person.....
It's sad, unfair and bigoted but that's just the way of the world, unfortunately.....
LuciusMalfoy
Sep 18 2004, 08:15 PM
Too true. Oh well.
Anyone have any other ideas on who will be the new MoM?
realbullet
Sep 19 2004, 01:03 AM
From what little info there is -- I think it would be Kingsley Shacklebolt. He has navigated the political realm well enough by the looks of thing & he seems to be agreeable to both the DD side of the house as well as the Fudge side.
I'm still trying to find out how one becomes MoM. Do you think he is appointed by the PM?
BTW, I want to make clear -- I'm a big fan of Lupin's character. That doesn't mean that he would make a good MoM.
Also, isn't Susan Bones played by one of Chris Columbus' daughters in each of the first movies. Besides not being British -- do you think she'll actually have lines in the GOF movie?
LuciusMalfoy
Sep 19 2004, 01:52 AM
Well, she wasn't even in the 3rd one. I don't remember seeing her. I think her character will either be cut or another actress will play her.
I don't think Kingsly is going to be the new MoM though. He's good right where he is and with a war coming he's gonna need to be where the action is not stuck behind some desk.
BellatrixBlack
Oct 2 2004, 10:46 PM
Well, as i've been saying I want Lupin, who knows, maybe they'll get rid of those werewolf laws, and out dear Lupin can get a job, why not MoM, that way he can have money and buy a new suit

. And as i've seen in ppl's sigs, i think some agree with me, by the way, how did you get the Lupin for MoM sig?
yeah i just started to read some of the posts after I had posted.
Again, I dont see why Lupin cant be MoM just because he's a werewolf, when he has been taking that potion that makes him harmless to humans. He is only a werewolf once a month, it hasnt affect his personality, if anything I think it has made him a stronger leader.
though I do agree I think Lupin does enjoy teaching, I think he just likes to help ppl in general, so why not as MoM?
Louise
Oct 3 2004, 03:32 PM
I agree, Bella, I agree.....but the sad fact remains that people are inherently prejudiced. Saying that a person is safe as long as they take their medication just won't inspire trust. Personally, I'd support my dear Lupin 110%, and I don't think that anyone would be able to do the job as he would....but I just can't see it happening, not if multi-national visits and stuff go on to other leaders around the world...even if the Brit wizards accept him, the international ones might not.
I just think that Lupin is too good to lower himself to the politicians levels....
BellatrixBlack
Oct 3 2004, 07:46 PM
Well, maybe if it was kept a secret? Yeah like a political leader could have anything secret. There will always be prejudice, i agree, but still, i think he would be a great leader. If ppl have made up their minds about a person, nothing that person says or does is going to change that person's mind, so if they think Lupin is some killer werewolf, then to the public he is. Well, then maybe he'd become the new Headmaster at Hogwarts, or that job might go to Snape

, who knows.
maybe it will be a hogwarts teacher?? or maybe it will be dumbledore himself, but i think that he already has too much to deal with right now
LuciusMalfoy
Oct 4 2004, 01:24 AM
yeah, but Dumbledore never wanted that job, so I don't think he'd take it. He had the chance to be the MoM and he didn't take it. He loves Hogwarts too much. And if my theory that he's gonna die before the series is up comes true then even if he was the new MoM he wouldn't be it for very long. But I really doubt it'll be Dumbledore.
BellatrixBlack
Oct 5 2004, 02:41 PM
Yeah I dont think it will be Dumbledore, what about Snape? Do you think that is even possible?
LuciusMalfoy
Oct 5 2004, 08:22 PM
He is so stuck at Hogwarts. lol. Then again he could die too, I'm not sure, but eh, whatever.
I don't think Snape would make a good MoM, he's so evil. Well, maybe...
lol
ibeehoneyduked
Oct 16 2004, 06:16 PM
I think it will be either Amelia Bones or someone we don't know.
Sally-Anne Perks
Jan 1 2005, 08:18 PM
I originally thought that it would be Mr. Weasley, mainly because of Ron's comment about winning at Quidditch. But then, of course, JKR stated that Arthur Weasley will not be the next Minister, so that theory was no good anymore. So I thought about who it could be...and the two people who came to mind were Amelia Bones or Kingsley Shacklebolt. I think that, with the wizarding world knowing about Voldemort's return, most people will want to have a Minister who has acknowledged this fact for some time, and who they are confident will do something to fight against him. Kingsley is a logical choice for this, because he's a member of the Order, he's an Auror, and he was at the Department of Mysteries when Fudge became aware of Voldemort's return. Because he was at the Department of Mysteries, it will be clear to Fudge and the Aurors that he knew about Voldemort's return before the rest of them accepted it as the truth. He is a definate candidate for Minister, despite the fact that he is a useful Auror (although I will admit, he's not doing much right now, hunting for Sirius...

). Amelia Bones only seems to be a candidate because she was one of the few reasonable members of the Wizengamot. From Harry's perspective, she seemed to be fair, and she listened to his side of the story (not that he said much, more like she didn't make a decision until after she heard Dumbledore and Figg). Also, Tonks said that she was fair. There really isn't much other argument for making her the next Minister. I think that Kingsley is a more likely candidate.
While Mr. Weasley won't be the
next Minister of Magic, I think it's possible that he will be Minister of Magic before the series ends. Just because someone else will be Minister after Fudge is kicked out of office (or resigns, or dies; we don't exactly know why he won't be the Minister anymore

) it doesn't mean that whoever becomes Minister will stay Minister. They could be killed by Voldemort; it would be the perfect plot to destory the government after the world has finally realized that Voldemort's back. I have faith in Ron's "prediction," and I think that before the end of Book 7, Mr. Weasley will be the Minister of Magic.
SiriusLupin
Jan 12 2005, 08:18 PM
Two things. Although I like Kingsley Shacklebolt a great deal, its only because we, the readers, understand why he was "unable" to catch Sirius Black. I imagine though that to the rest of the wizarding world he looks very inept and incompetent considering that he placed Sirius Black somewhere in Albania when the Daily Prophet revealed that Black was right under his own nose in London!
Kingsley looks incompetent and inept right now since he was in fact in charge of the hunt for Sirius Black, who has not been exonerated and is "still" at large as of the end of Order of the PHoenix.
WIth this in mind, I believe that Kingsley will remain where he is in his current position looking for a non-existent fugitive (Sirius) or he may even be demoted (although I doubt it).
In regards to the new MoM, I believe it will be Amelia Bones. She is, after all, in charge of the largest department in the Ministry of Magic, the Department of Magical Law Enforcement.
Know what, A thought just occurred to me what if she takes over as MInister and Kingsley takes over the department of Magical Law Enforcement after Sirius is exonerated. THat could work because it would redeem Kingsley and allow him to advance without a massive failure on his record. Still he could not admit to being in the order because it would mean he deliberately sabotaged a ministry investigation. Also it would blow his cover. I don't know how it would work out if Bones became the new MoM. Maybe Dawlish will take over as head of the Department of Magical Law Enforcement.
Babagarnu
Jan 14 2005, 03:23 AM
In regards to the new MoM, I believe it will be Amelia Bones. She is in charge of the Department of Magical Law Enforcement. And she is also on the Wizingamot (Sp?).
The only two members of the Wizingamot we know are Dumbledore and Amelia Bones (Assuming Umbridge is laid off for misuse of Dementors). I doubt it would be a completely new character.
Having one of the Order become Minister and in effect put the minister for magic in Dumbledore's pocket doesn't seem to me a great away of enhancing the story line. Amelia Bones however seems like a witch interested in justice and doing the right thing, rather than following anybody elses advice.
Also with everyone knowing of Voldemort's return it would make sense to put a law enforcement type into the Ministers post. (In the same way as Couch was almost made minister)
Also it makes the Minister relate more to Harry and his friends as her daughter/niece? was in the DA with them, so story wise ministry actions can be related to in the Harry POV.
Louise
Feb 5 2005, 02:18 PM
I've just been thinking, after visiting JKR's site...the wizard of the month for February is the first witch to be made MoM...and I couldn't help but notice the knowing little raising-of-the-eyebrow thing....
I wonder if that's JKR's subtle little hint that the new MoM is going to be a woman? If so, Amelia Bones has definitely got my vote, you know. I mean, she was mentioned quite a lot in OotP and Susan Bones got a bit more of a mention in the DA too....mmm....
Guess we'll have to wait until July 16th to find out...
Souljacker
Feb 6 2005, 12:27 PM
I agree that Amelia Bones would make a perfect Minister of Magic for all the reasons mentioned above.
But if people are not going to want the likes of Remus or Arthur because they are a werewolf and a bit too fond of Muggle’s rights respectively, has much really changed since Fudges reign?
Dumbledore has been trying to convince the magical world to welcome back with open arms all those being who they have rejected in the past, Werewolves, giants, Vampires and so who would other wise join Volde in an effort to have there voices heard (ok maybe not the werewolves

). But would the magical world accept the MoM sending out embassies of friendship to the beings mentioned above, who alot of wizards/witches despised and feared in the very recent past?
Dumbledore IMHO is the only person (that we know of) with the respect of all the whole magical world (excluding the death eaters of course) to unite them against Volde, but I don't think he will go for the job as he still seems to be resolute in his role as Harry’s Protector in chief and will probably remain in Hogwarts.
There is one thing I was wondering though? How does the magical world choose a new Minster of magic? Are they democratically voted in by every Wizard/Witch Centuar merperson and so on.. In Britain? or are they chosen by so select committee like the Wizengamot?
| QUOTE |
Hagrid tells Harry near the start of the philosopher's Stone ''Course,' said Hagrid. 'They wanted Dumbledore fer Minister, o' course, but he'd never leave Hogwarts, so old Cornelius Fudge got the job. Bungler if ever i saw one. So he pelts Dumbledore with owls every morning askin' fer advice.' The philosopher's stone pg 51 UK p/b ed |
If only Hagrid had explained who ‘they’ were then we would know!
CareyBeary5
Feb 7 2005, 08:01 PM
I'm thinking back to the beginning of Book 4 when Percy says Mr. Weasley should have cleared his statement (after the Dark Mark appeared) with his "head of department". I'm not sure who his head of department is (possibly Amelia Bones since Misuse of Muggle Artifacts would be in the Magical Law Enforcement division), but THAT person will become Minister of Magic and Arthur Weasley will be promoted to head of department! That gives the Weasley's a nice raise and puts Arthur in position for Minister of Magic later on.
Tarak Raskhan
Apr 26 2005, 03:23 PM
you know what would be funny, if somehow Umbridge got better and came back as the NEw minister of Magic. I mean she was the senior undersecretarty. What would be funnier if Percy was the New Minister.
Anyways my real candidates are:
Amelia Bones
Professor Flitwick
Felix Felicis
and Ludovic Bagman for fun
I heart SIRIUS
Apr 26 2005, 10:54 PM
I think it will be some one bad. Not bad enough to be a death eater but some one mean and ignorant. Like umbridge! But i would be EXTREMELY upset if that happened.
LuciusMalfoy
Apr 28 2005, 03:51 PM
I thought Fudge was bad. Well, not too bad, but still bad. I mean he left the Wizarding World in the dark about Voldemort. They're just lucky they found out about it in the 5th book. So, after Fudge and Umbridge in 5th year, especially with the war beginning, I think they need a strong MoM to help them through all this. But it has to be someone who can't really go into battle, like Shacklebolt, he'd be too useful in battle for him to be stuck in the office telling everyone else what to do. So, I still think someone like Amelia Bones or someone like that.
RonPottertheDuex
Apr 28 2005, 11:48 PM
it would be awsome if the ootp became the ministers.

like it would be cool like an oligarchy like several are way better than one.

just a thought.
Quality Quidditch Supplies
Apr 29 2005, 02:49 AM
| QUOTE |
| like it would be cool like an oligarchy |
oligarchy..now there's a ten buck word

I always figured that the WW was already an oligarchy kinda like Sparta, way back in the day

Except they've got the MoM instead of two kings, and the Wizengamot for the other thing that I can't remember the greek name for...

I like Amelia Bones for it...Don't know why. Also, I read the first page of this thread and somebody said the JK said she wasn't introducing new characters this book??

could somebody give me a link to that...please. Thanks..lol.
Rojaneer
Apr 29 2005, 01:41 PM
I like the idea of an OotP oligarchy, but I also think the new MoM will have to be a competent and strong leader. I also think that after what Dumbledore went through in the 5th book, he will now have mroe power in the ministry, aiding the new MoM. Possibly someone from the Order or a new character like that Mclaggans or Felix... hmm
embraced_soul
May 6 2005, 09:26 AM
Kingseley
Amelia
McClaggan (But i think he's the DADA though)
Or
Felix Felicis (Not sure with the spelling -not sure if he's a person either)
RavenRadcliffe
May 6 2005, 05:40 PM
i think the new MoM is going to be a new character that hasnt been revealed yet
-Raven
samy
May 12 2005, 03:25 PM
I think it'll be kinglesy shackbolt
newbie
May 13 2005, 03:26 AM
The major consensus on this thread is for Amiela Bones, I agree however one person that hasn't been mentioned here is Amos Diggory. (Very interesting thread on that in the theories, also deals with possible reasons as to why Fudge is no longer MoM.) here is one of my excerpts
"Since no one has paid attention to Serena's comment about Fudge being voted out, I will. My first conflict with this is that we have no idea how the election of the MoM is done or even if there is an election to the post. If we want to assume there is an election we could make a comparison with Parliment being equal to the Wizengmont. If that's correct then the Wizengmont would be the only people to vote on the MoM just as Parliment votes on who the Prime Minister in Muggle world. Also, a study of the British Parliment suggest that there is always a "shadow minister" who is waiting for the right time to play their cards. In that instance the new MoM is already decided: Amelia Bones. I don't like this idea because it would bring the WW into too much similarity with the Muggle world.
However, if there is no "Parlimentry election" there may be a general or popular election then the similarities with the Muggle world are still there but don't reflect a mirror image. This seems to be the route that JKR prefers to take when we look at the similarities between St. Mungo's and a Muggle hospital, banking, business, and comparing Hogwarts to what most US citizens world consider a prepatory or boarding school. If this is the scenario then we have an opportunity to see perhaps some power struggle between Bones, perhaps Diggory, and either Dumbles or someone that Dumbles recomends. (See paragraph on Dumbles involvement at the end.)
Again I really don't see this happening, simply because we don't know how the MoM is chosen. The only hint we recieve is in GoF where Sirius tells the story of Crouch Sr.'s rise to be Head of the DMLE and his fall when Jr. is caught and Sr. losses popularity. That's why Fudge got the job. (GoF 528-530 US paperback)
I know that some have made the argument that the new MoM would be someone who would make things difficult for the Order and the Trio, but that could be done by killing members of the Order (Lupin, McGonagall, and Mr. Weasley are my picks) but for you people see the next paragraph.
Also, Diggory could be made MoM through Fudge's assaination and make times hard for everyone by having another Ministry apointed teacher either for Transfiguration or DADA or both because none of the Educational Decrees were ever repealed Umbridge was just removed. This would work well because it allows for more deaths, allows a posssibly arrogant, bolistery, bully-ing, and unexperienced MoM to come in and start using the power and possition of the Ministry to solidify that they are the right person for the job. Amos Diggory has the personality and demeanor to fill this roll, plus it would account for the WW going for the person who is the loudest. Look at the United States where the person who complains the loudest has the greatest amount of power. It also fulfils peoples expectations about life will be hard for our favorite heros because there's a new MoM. (there, are you people happy now.)
Now that we've dealt with the election (I think one of those two theories is most likely) and assaination theories we'll touch on Fudge's resignation. I don't think Fudge will resign because it will throw the WW back into more chaos. They are already in chaos due to the admission that Voldy is back, to have the MoM resign whould destroy what order there still is in the WW. In that chaos they would look to someone who they think can restore order. A logical choice would be Dumbles because everyone sees him as a force that Voldy fears, but you also have to consider that the Aurors are under the DMLE and answer to Madam Bones so she is another logical choice. So it is a coinflip situation.
Finally to the influence that Dumbledore will have. I know there are many who want him for MoM but I honestly don't see him leaving Hogwarts. So what about the a person close to him. I've already ruled out McGonagall and the rest of the Hogwarts professors for diffent reasons. I don't think anyone in the Order that we currently know would be given the nod because they have other responsabilities and missions. But it would be interesting to have a new MoM who is either a member of the Order that we don't know about or is barely mentioned. I am thinking specifically about Dedaldus Diggle. All we really know about him is that we met him in the Leaky Cauldron in PS/SS, he was a member of the original Order, and that he had run into Harry once before the PS/SS. Anyway again the name of Amos Diggory comes up, this time on the side of Dumbledore and the Order, here Diggory is mentioned due to the reason I cited towards the middle of this theory. We can safely assume that Dumbles told the Diggory's that Cedric was dead before they saw his body, and that after he heard Harry's account retold the Diggory's about what transpired in the graveyard making Dumbles and Amos close confidants and allies, especially given the admital of the Ministry that Voldy was back."
That's the end! I know some of you might be upset with my method of argument but it covers a plethora of possible scenerios. Besides it was good enough when I wrote it the first time I don't feel the need to edit.
harrydan
May 13 2005, 11:57 AM
it is either going to be bagman or a new charcter or it could be someone that is in the order.
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