Where do you think the 4 last horcruxes might be hidden without knowing what it is?(general or specific places) With whom?

Well, how would Dumbledore know??? It's not that hard if you think about it. They could be anywhere Voldemort stepped his foot on...Hogwarts...the orphanage, in the mirror of erised.

And there isn't all that much left since Harry already destroyed one without knowing he did, who says it might not happen again? One could also be Voldemort's wand too.



Isn't there a board about this already? I'm getting really confused because everyone's making boards here and there.

am sorry i havent read all of them yet but i think there isnt one yet. yeah, it could be anywhere but where do you think are the 4 possible places?

I think one of them would be at Hogwarts...and one of his death eaters might be keeping one, just like Draco's father did in CoS, and one in the orphanage Tom lived in...and the other...I don't really know.

hmmm... i think nothing will be in Hogwarts. I reckon the 4 horcruxes will be in the hands of those characters you least expect them to be. But i dont know who.. toinks!

Just want to give you guys a heads-up that we've already got some more specific threads about possible owners and current locations of Horcruxes if you're interested -- just check the Horcrux Thread Master List under the "Voldemort's Horcruxes" header. This topic stays open, obviously, since there isn't one that addresses this general subject matter yet, but I wanted to point out some other threads that you might like just the same. After all, my job is to cater to the audience! Anyway, I believe we've got some stuff about Aberforth Dumbledore and even Zacharias Smith possibly in possession of Voldemort's Horcruxes going on. Enjoy!

I just thought of a place where there could possibly be a horcrux. For sure, there has to be on at the orphanage. That's where Voldemort has lived. That's where he went every summer. I'm sure that Voldemort must have something there. Don't you agree?

so you think it could be one of the things that he stole from his friends or the 3 trophies that dumbledore was talkin' bout? hmmm.. i dont really know about that.. coz i think it's of little importance to him.. maybe it was important to him before, but i dont reckon it's still imporatant to him when he gained power..

You know those trophies Ron had to clean for detention one day??? He said that they were Voldemort's rwards you think one of them could be one...? (Unless that's what you were talking about already)

ow.. that one.. i dont really know if it was voldemorts.. is it? i need to check ma book first.. but am kinda lazy to check every single detail about HP.. is it his trophy?? i dont remember ron saying it was LV's...???

I THINK it was...I really don't remember. I'd look it up but my book is in my suitcase. (I'm going to Florida) So I can't check it right now, but I'm almost sure that it was.

cool ... hmmm.. i think it's not..coz i think they wouldn't keep stuffs that was voldemorts.. and if they have voldemorts stuffs, i think it would surely be handed to the ministry of magic asap..

I dont think Lord voldemort would put 1 of his horcruxes in the orphanage were he grew up.The horcruxes will be well hidden and well guarded like the locket was.I alsdo dont think there will be any horcruxes at hogwarts i mean voldemort would be stupid to put them right under dumbledores nose.


I dont know how harry can suceed yet.

Well firstly I think that one of the Horcruxes will be with Mundungus (or someone that he may have sold it to) think about it, assuming that R.A.B. was Regulus Black, then that means the Horcrux could have been in the Black House and Regulus hadn't had time to destroy it. Also Mundungus stealing that stuff wasn't coincidence I don't think and it would make sense that the horcrux moved between locations.

Secondly there is no way Voldemort would have trusted another Death Eater after Lucius had thrown the one Horcrux away and by what Bellatrix said to Snape "If Lucius hadn't..." I don't think any Death Eater will be keeping a Horcrux.

Thirdly and this is possibly the least likely; what about the forest in Albania that Voldemort hung around in? Maybe when he killed Bertha Jorkins he used a different item for a Horcrux? Why did he hide in that specific forest anyway, why not in Brazil or Transylvania or something?

One possibility is that the house of HepZibah Smith contains the Cup, bcoz
1. That's where he got it
He got the ring from morfin and he hid it where he had obtained it

2. Murder of the house owner gave him a horcrux-worthy object
Similiar to above, the site of an murder is a hideout for horcrux.

i have to say that there has got to be one in hogwarts becuase it is so mysterious, dumbledore didnt even know were the chamber of secrets was. which leads me to beleive that there could be so many places one could hide something in there without it being found. the locket i greatly feel that mundungus has it considering all he did was steal from the blacks house and the locket look like a item of value, and most likely having no idea what it was has already sold it to someone possibly a death eater? i cant say but that is my thoughts.

what about one in the room of requirement? he could have thought of a really complicated room and put it in there

Just a thought...

Do you think that there could be a horcrux in Borgins and Burkes? There are a lot of Dark stuff there...well everythings Dark. And anybody who bought something Dark, would keep it with great care. Does anybody think that?

Give me your comments...

I don't understand what you're aiming at exactly. Are you trying to say that maybe there's some random person's horcurx is for sale? Becuase why would someone be so careless and sell their horcrux as it is supposed to be one of their greatest treasures as it's part of their soul, why would they sell it? Or are you meaning to be saying that one of Voldemort's horcruxes may be for sale. i don't think that could even be a possibilty, as we know how Voldemort treats his horcruxes, so I don't think he would ever sell his, or leave it lying around so that Borgin or Burke could get their hands on it to sell it. I didn't understand what you meant, but I took a hazard at a guess at what you were trying to say.

i think that is a possibility that borgins and burkes could have one, but the only way would be if someone somehow found a horcrux not knowing what it was but could tell it was dark and sold it, i would think that if BaB was to have a horcrux they sure would not know exactly what it is.

Actually for Voldemort to have one of his Horcruxes sold would be a genius idea! Think about it. He wants to hide them right? Spells and enchantments, potions and traps only go so far. But what if one was sold over and over again. And by the time they did find it Voldemort would have found some other way to stay alive even if they've all been destroyed. Genius plan! But I doubt he would have been so careless to let anything that holds his soul go out into a public place where anyone can buy it or find it. Of course a DE could have bought it and kept it safe, then at leats Voldy would know where it was.

No what I meant was that because Voldemort worked in Borgins and Burkes, maybe he's hidden one there. Or you could think of the idea of selling it. There's that hand that was mentioned in Book 2...wonder what that does!

But anyway, my point of this idea was that because it's a dark arts store, perhaps he's kept one of the items as a horcrux, and well anybody who would buy a dark art item would be careful with it, and keep it safe, no one would just throw it around or anything. That's what I meant by perhaps he's kept on there, or maybe he's hidden one there.

Anyway, my ideas are stupid...so...

hmm actually there "was" one there

if u read in the 6th book you will read that voldemort worked at borgin and burkes (or watever) he could have bought or stolen something from it and made it his own horcux

but there could still be one there.

Well, curse_wiz, we already knew he had done that. As Merope sold her Slytherin's locket to the store, and Voldemort had obtained the locket, we don't know weither or not he stole it or bought it, and made it his horcrux.

Hmm yes the locket was sold by Merope...but what if there's another Horcrux from Borgins and Burkes? Like remember Lucius Malfoy was selling some of his Dark Arts stuff in Book 2 because there was a raid at his house? Maybe Lucius Malfoy has another Horcrux with him, and maybe he sold it then. Or maybe someone else has a Horcrux and sold it there. But I think Lucius is more possible because he did sell Dark Arts stuff, and well what other thing could be safer to keep a Horcrux in than a Dark Art item? Dark Arts items are always taken care of and made sure no one really has a look at them or whatever...

that is a possibilty that maybe voldemort gave lucius another horcrux and lucius possibly sold t to borgin and burkes and Borgin and burke were to careless to notice if any of the items lucius was selling were of real importance so he could have just passed them by thinking they were old dark magic items...since the Malfoys always have sold items there he wouldn't really take the time to check if they are important or not...

walters- i know what you mean except i dont think lucius would intentionally sell a horcrux of LV's unless under specific orders to do so or he was given it and not told wat it was. Really the 2nd one makes alot of sense with all horcruxs, curiosity is a very dangerous tool. Think about it LV would give someone a horcrux tell them it has immense power but not was it does exactly the person of course would try to figure out what it does and could possibly be taken over like the diary perhaps, becuase we still dont know how he usues the horcruxs to come back.


oh and something else, what else would be in lucius' collection i remember Borgins and burkes saying something about him having some very dark items but i dont remember much of anything else, so it is possible that he could have another horcrux i suppose besides the diary.

okay i under stand what you're saying Cesador that if LV gave lucius two horcruxes and gave one too someone and was told uner specfic instructions to sell it to borgin and burkes and like you said about the diary Lucius was to tell borgin that it had immnesley dark magical porperties then he would try and figure out what it did and then maybe after awhile he'd give up and then like leave it like far back in storage where noone would ever look for one of the horcruxes

Wait a minute. Think about the character of Lucius Malfoy.

Lucius gave away the diary, and he probably knew it was a horcrux when he gave it to Ginny. He always says he is VL's devoted servant, but this was not the act of a devoted servant. As long as VL was powerless, Lucius was the informal leader of the Dark wizzards in the British Isles, and I think he liked it that way.

VL's got a problem with his organization. His power depends too much on his personal power as a wizzard. Of his top leutenants, Malfoy and Snape are the best, but they are not very trustworthy.
At the end of GOF, VL was angry with all of his Death Eaters for not making more effort to bring him back, and even at Wormtail, a second-rate DE who delayed doing so until his own cover was blown, and his own life was in danger.

I personally think that VL has always been a bit mistrustful of his DEs, and he would only entrust 1 horcrux to any 1 of them, though I have no proof for this statement.

I also think that the DEs that remained free ~ a year after VL's first attempt on Harry's life, were all people who were afraid of the horcruxes, or were afraid of making the attempt to bring him back. Thus, the 10-years long delay.

What does this mean wth regard to "A Horcrux At Borgins And Burkes?" I think it is likely one is or was there, because some of the DEs wanted to get rid of them, not use them to bring VL back, and unlike Malfoy, they may have wanted to get some money for it.




How would VL protect his horcruxes? Do they need protection?

The one entrusted to the Malfoys, Tom Riddle's Diary, seemed to be able to look out for itself, up to a point. It influenced, even controlled the people who tried to read it, and almost killed two of them.

One that Dumbledore destroyed, seemed to have damaged his hand. We don't know if that was the Horcrux defending itself, or if that was some sort of defensive spell or jinx that was guarding it.

The Horcrux in the cave, was guarded by several defensive spells, potions, and jinxes, as well as a small army of inferri. It did not seem to possess much innate ability to defend itself, whether it was taken by Dumbledore, or stolen at an earlier date by RAB. It was also protected by the secrecy of its location.

Wasn't there a necklace with a death spell on it, at Borgin And Burkes? The three Horcruxes we know the most about, all either were capable of killing, or they were protected by death spells of some sort. I think B&B has a horcrux on display, even though the death spell on that necklace is not absolute proof it's a horcrux.




A final note. We know very little about the horcrux in Albania, but it was probably the one that Quirrel found, and then when Wormtail heard about it during/after the first book, he was able to find it and use it to bring VL back again, before the 4th book. It may have been the one that damaged Dumbledore's hand, but I think that is unlikely. It seems to be less well-protected than the others, just lying around somewhere, where random wizzards can come across it. It seems to have some ability like the diary, to influence wizzards who get too close to it, perhaps to use them against their wills to bring VL back.



Wormtail presents a bit of a puzzle. He was threatened into serving the Dark Lord. He was not a very trusted character by VL. It is most unlikely he knew the location of a horcrux, prior to hearing about the one Quirrel found. Yet, he knew what to do with it to bring VL back, not an easy, or easily researched, set of spells and potions. Possibly only Snape cold have done a better job of revival.

This suggests something sinister about the Marauders. Were they researching Horcruxes at the time James and Lilly were killed? Was it just Wormtail, or did James and Lilly also know how to bring someone back? Sirius and Lupin never hinted at such knowledge, but they may have been concealing it from Harry, on Dumbledore's orders.

Or, were the Marauders getting ready to embark on Horcrux-destroying missions when VL killed James and Lilly? If so, then why did the rest of the Order of the Phoenix not continue that campaign, until Harry was nearly of age?

What did Dumbledore know, and when did he know it?

SiriusB1214- i think you're on to something, maybe voldemort entrusted a horcrux of his to his most dependable Death eaters and when he dissapeared after his first attemtped kill on harry they might have sold them thinking that borgin & burkes would give good money for it or maybe another store(most likely B&B). That might be another reason lord voldemort was furious with all of his death eaters in GoF???

Well, remember that the diary was supposed to be used in a later mission, but that failed after Voldy "semi-died", the ring was magically concealed at the old house of gaunt, the locket was supposed to be stored in the cave visited while at the orphanage, and we still have a cup, a gryf item and ravenclaw item, and most likely nagini the snake.

As the ring was at the gaunt house and tied especially to slytherine, the diary ended up in the chamber of secrets which is also closely tied to slytherine, the locket was at the cave where tom used magic as control for one of the first times, I think we can assume that the remaining horcruxes will be in voldy history and very well protected.

I think an important part of the puzzle is how Voldy learned how to perform the horcrux, and is most likely tied to Grindelwald as JK said he will be brought up more in the 7th book along with Albus history. Most likely wherever Voldy learned the horcrux incantation will be a secret spot for one of the horcrux's. It's also possible that since Durmstrang is well known for teaching the Dark Arts and that is is for pure blood's only, that Tom went there to learn, and we might find a horcrux there, along his path to the dark side.

Remember that when he visits DD as headmaster, he is still recognizable, but had returned from forieng lands with a lot of terrible rumors about him. If we can assume that the horcrux's are damaging his appearance, then most likely he did one or two after returning and asking for the position.

So, if he had the cup before he disappeared, and the locket, and the locket ended up in the cave, I bet the cup is with grindelwald, and that raven and gryf happened after he returned. Obviously nagini is with him at all times. And was probably a last resort 7th horcrux after he failed with Harry.

Worth noting is that a very old wand was being held in Ollivanders shop and showcased in glass in the front window. Ollivander has packed up and left town mysteriously. It could be that DD and he concluded that the wand in the show room was in fact Rowena's or Godrics, but that would mean somehow it landed in the shop without increadible protection . . . however that is the moment that Tom got his first wand, unique to him, and made him officially a wizard. I wouldn't be surprised if it was a horcrux and he was amused as it sat there, a horcrux, no one suspecting it, and ensured to be safe as no one would ever be able to damage it if Ollivander knew what is was.

So, in summary, I think the cup will be close to durmstrang or the evil wizard Grindelwald, the ravenclaw item is the wand at ollivanders that is now missing, the locket has been stolen and sold by mundungus, nagini is where voldy is at all times, the Gryf item I don't know, and the rest have been addressed and destoryed.

Voldemort split his soul in 7 pieces – that means 6 horcruxes and himself.

Voldemort died, trying to kill baby-Harry – leaves six horcruxes.

1st horcrux: what ever it was, was brought to live in Quirrel. He died - leaves 5 horcruxes.

2nd horcrux: the diary. Destroyed by Harry – leaves 4 horcruxes.

3rd horcrux: whatever it was, was used to bring Voldemort back to live in GoF – leaves 3 horcruxes.

4th horcrux: the ring: was destroyed by Dumbledor – leaves 2 horcruxes.

5th horcrux: the medallion: was destroyed by RAB – whoever it was – leaves 1 horcrux.

6th horcrux: might be Nagini (or the snake was 3rd horcrux) or anything else …

I doubt it to be Harry, too, because Voldemort tried to kill Harry several times – he wouldn’t do if Harry is so important for his immortality …

Thus, either there is only one horcrux left to be found in book 7 before Voldemort can be killed (perhaps with or by the horcrux), or horcruxes are not the only way to be “reborn” – which would make the meaning of horcruxes questionable.

What are your thoughts regarding this assumption?

Ok, so I don't think that any of the horcruxes are at the orphanage, because LV hates and distrusts muggles, and an orphanage full of poor muggles would not be a smart choice... He would think that anything of any value would be stolen and sold, or trashed, or traded or something. Also, he already hid one horcrux in an area that is special to that time in his childhood, because the locket was hidden at the place they used to go as children where he would torture the other kids from the orphanage.

As for a place where the horcruxes could be, I would definitely be willing to bet that one of them is at Hogwarts. I mean, Hogwarts (as opposed to the orphanage) will always be there, so he doesn't have to worry about the hiding place being torn down or anything. Also, it's the last place anyone would look, because they know that no dark magical objects can be BROUGHT IN undetected. However, if this horcrux was made from a murder he committed while still attending Hogwarts, he could have simply made it inside the walls and hid it there!

Ok the one when you say that Lucius wasnt supposed to do that i think it said somewhere he was supposed to but not that soon. Because the thing about the diary that it was supposed to open the Chamber Of Secrets. Because it had VL memory in it.

Also he might not have another Horcrux in Hogwarts because one was kinda in the CoS. But there might be one in Godric Hollow ( Potters House) just like the Gaunts house just found in the ruins and a very powerful spell on it

What do you guys/gals thunk?

I seriously doubt LV would hide a horcrux anywhere in Godric's Hollow. a) the place has bad memories of him getting destroyed
he hates Harry Potter
c) the area is a populated wizarding community, where many wizards could possibly find it, or detect it, making it an unsafe place.

I believe that Voldemort lost a horcrux when he almost died against Harry. Then he now has the one in his body, Nagini, the locket, something of gryf/raven's, and the cup. He didn't use a horcrux to live in Quirrell, he was able to posses people w/o them. Then he now used one more to inhabit his body.
I also feel that the other horcruxes, wherever they are will be easier to get to than the locket because the locket was Slytherin's. Voldemort felt a strong connection between himself and Slytherin so he would want to guard it the most.

There was a post about the locket at Grimald Place, and I agree, there is proof, a line from the book which is quoted bellow



(thanks Weasley's_Wizarding_Weezes, I hope its ok I posed this, i have something else I want to say related to your thread)

I think that Voldemort knows there is a Horcrux at Grimmauld Place, and here is the proof, well kind of. Bellatrix asked Snape why he hadn't given the where abouts in the chapter called "Spinner's End". It probably means that Voldemort has asked this many times, Snape said to Bellatrix that he wasn't the Secret Keeper. What if Voldemort knows Grimmaulled place is the location of the Order, but cannot go there because he needs to be told it to gain access. What if he knew Regulus Black kept the Locket at the Black house. Voldemort probably has been at the house before it became the order "hang out". The blacks were one of the biggest supporters of Voldemort's Army. He wants to know where the Order is to get the Locket. This is just a theory. Also, what if Voldemort knows where the Order is located. There were 2 murders, Bones and Vance's. What if they were part of the order, perhaps. Either they died because they wouldn't spill where the order was located OR they died because they told where the Order was. But maybe they died before giving the sentence needed to be said to get into Grimmauld place, and thats why he hasn't attacked it yet?

Well that all makes sense except for one thing. Mundungus Fletcher stole a bag of stuff from the Black house and sold it remember? And I thought we'd decided that the locket was with that stuff. I mean it said they couldn't open the locket so surely they didn't think twice about it and threw it in with everything else, and then Mundungus took it.
I'm perplexed as to how Harry will remember the locket and find it once he realizes..

Remember, Voldemort likes the grand effect. He prefers using trophies as horcruxes, and he hides them in places important to him. IMHO that's not very smart considering he could just bury them in a random spot and nobody would ever find it Anyways, I have a feeling one horcrux will be in the Chamber of Secrets, because we know LV would put protection around it, and what is a better protection than that of the chamber? only one who speaks parseltongue can enter it, narrowing down the list of who can get to it to two people that we know of- Harry and LV.

I also think there could be a Horcrux in the Albanian forest where LV was hiding while awaiting a DE to find him and return him to his body. Why would he hide in that certain forest?

There also could be a horcrux at the orphanage. No one would notice it because they're muggles and don't recognize the magical powers surrounding them.

I still believe that Aberforth purchased the locket horcrux from Mundungus.

So, to summarize here's how I think the list stands:

1. LV himself
2. Diary- Destroyed
3. Ring- Destroyed
4. Hufflepuff's Cup - Orphanage? would look like a regular muggle object
5. Slytherin's Locket - with Aberforth
6. Nagini - with LV or in CoS?
7. Something of Ravenclaw's (could not get anything from Gryffindor) - Albanian forest?

Ooh I love that theory that Dumbledore would have had Aberforth buy the locket from Mundungus. I am still quite giddy about the fact that Aberforth is most likely a very powerful wizard and he is the barkeeper at the HogsHead. I love the irony and the infiltration the Order has achieved. It is shown amazingly when Dumbledores hears word that all of the DE's are with Voldemort when he return to request his Job at Hogwarts..


either way I believe as well that Aberforth bought the locket.

i think it will be in askaban in the fake barty crouch jr tomb. the idea of harry going to askaban is really cool

i think that one of voldemort horcrux will be in godric valley in ruins of the potters house .....

i really doubt that the ruins of harrys house in Godrics Hollow will still be there sixteen ears later. Someone would have cleaned everything up and removied all of the posessions... or atleast set fire to it to bring about closure to the crime scene.

Albus-

I agree that Aberforth most likely bought the locket, but I don't think it was on DD's orders, because this happens about halfway through the book, and it is towards the end when DD and HP go to look for the horcrux. DD would've known that the horcrux was a fake right away then, unless he was expecting a different horcrux, such as the cup or something. However, why would he tell Aberforth to buy the locket then? Unless DD had a look at it before Aberforth bought it and knew that it was Slytherin's, but then DD would've just taken it right away. Hmmm... oh the possibilities

I think that harry will use the mirror of erised to find the locations of the horcuxes. afterall doesnt DD say it shows you your deepest desperate disire? well im pretty sure that harrys at this point so if harry stood in front of the mirror and desires to know where the horcuxes are, cant we reason that it would show him where they are? just a thought while i was watching SS. that would also save JK a few pages in writing the book wouldnt it? oh and this doesnt go here but this is my list of horcuxes
Knowns
Volde himself
ring destroyed
locket ???
Diary distroyed
cup--Harry thinks this is a horcux in the end of HBP he goes over and over in his mind locket the cup the snake and something of the founders over and over, so i think this is a known.

Speculation
Nagini
and hogwarts itself-- yes i said hogwarts if you want to know why go on over to the what are the 7 horcuxes thread and see why so well thats my list.

One Horcrux is in the Black House. like page 116 or something of OotP

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well i think that the locket is in 12 grimwald place, as we saw it in OotP. As for the snake, that is always on LV's side so he will be where ever LV is, which was smart for LV so he will always be able to protect it first hand-- maybe there is something in the graveyard of his father and of couse i am sure that one is at hogwarts

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I believe that Slytherin's locket is in the hands of Mundungus, who was caught taking things from the Black house, and trying to sell them. If the locket mentioned in the Order of the Pheonix, is indeed the correct locket, then there is a possibilty of this.

I also think that maybe the horcrux of Ravenclaw is someone in Godric's Hollow. I believe this because Lily exceeded in Charms, which is of course, what is needed (for Flitwick is Ravenclaw and he teaches charms) and she may just have something of Ravenclaws, that Voldemort made a horcrux after he killed her.

Hmmm... I am still wondering if something is at Hogwarts. It seems like a very interesting theory, but I am not positive that Voldemort would leave something so far away from him, entirely unprotected, right near Harry, Ron, Hermione and of course Dumbledore! So I really don't think that he would place a horcrux right under Dumbledore's nose.

I agree with CAPS LOCK, that Nagini is with Voldemort, wherever he may be. Like he said, this is very smart because Voldemort can protect it at almost all times.

As for the Hufflepuff cup, it may even possibly be somewhere inside the Orphanage where Tom Riddle used to live. Who knows?

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