The old thread had reached 15 pages so I thought I'd lock that one and give youse all a brand new shiny thread to discuss this very interesting theory!!

I see absolutey no reason to kill off Ron and Harry. And if either of them die it should be Harry. I mean if Ron dies is that really going to add impact to her story at all. Not to say that Ron is a meaningless character but for him to die at the end would not be a big thing. Now to kill off Harry would be huge. He is the man of the series everyone looks to him as being this great wizard and Harry will be the one to end this war. Killing Ron and Harry is a lame ending and will just [MOD EDITED] the readers, killing Ron doesn't do much to the story, but Killing Harry is the only possiblity.

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i have to agree with 'ThEsNiTcH' on this one, if harry die it would make a differants, he die the wizerding world is distroyed (and i don't think that JKrowling will want that to happen) , if ron die the only think that going to happen is his family and friend will be very upset,

That would be absolutely terrible if both of them died! But as the two posters have said, I think it should be Harry. I don't see him living happily ever after with 5 children and a wife after the second war. And, sadly, I do think he would be happy, I mean, he would be with his parents and Sirius, but that's just my opinion. I would absolutely hate to see Ron die and I don't think that I could read the books if he did... terrible as it sounds. Also, J.K.Rowling did state something along the lines of "I don't see why everybody is asking if Ron will die, Hermione is just as much if not more vulnerable then Ron" (that may not be the exact context but it's close), which makes me think that he won't die. If both of them die *pulls hair out of head*

That will be really sad. What will happen to Hermione? Hermione might die inside, too if it will happen.

I don't want another death in the book but the evidences are just too strong (especially about Ron's death).

There's only one thing wrong with that comment about Trelawney...was she ever right about any of her prophecies? I mean, she said that Harry would die soon because of the Grim (which I firmly believe was Sirius intervening) and she also said that something that Lavendar Brown dreaded would happen. But Lavendar didn't dread her rabbit dying, did she? She even said so. I suppose I'm just like Hermione thinking that she's a rip off. I think Harry has a chance of dying because of the prophecy, but of course nobody ex[ected Cedric to go.

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Personally, I don't beleive that JK would kill off the both of them - what purpose would that give. Two less people for kids to fight over when they're RPing? To kill of Harry - Understandable. Only Harry or Voldemort can live sooo.. if Voldemort kills Harry, who will kill Ron? Well probably, Draco or somebody along thoes lines - but then again.. they're going to be seventeen years old.. and I somehow doubt that she will kill both of them because if she does.. she'll get a lot of angry mail sent to her house, even though she usually gets mail through her publisher. If she kills both the boys off - her address and her cellphone will be getting out somehow - and I be she knows this.. so she wont be doing it. Also, of Harry and Ron died, I think Hermionie would be there too and it'd be sad because the "Trio" will be all gone and everyone will be like "Woah.. now who do we pick on?"

i don't think that they both will die
maybe one (but i don't hope so)
but we will know when book 7 comes

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There's still a possibility that Miss Jo will kill any of the character from the book. It could be Ron or Harry. Hermione is not safe, either. But JK might be killing Ron or Harry but not both. And she's going to kill both, better kill Hermione as well. It will be really sad, indeed but it will very sad if Hermione will be left all alone.

One funny possibility is Harry dies in the sixth book and the seventh book is called Ron Weasley and the... then Ron dies and Hermi is left alone.

but now thinking about it, Professor Trelawney, said that who ever gets up first dies first so if this came true, they would have to die at the same time.

I dunno. Just a thought

Ha! Ron Weasley and the Unwanted Ending...

Hmmm... Professor Trelawney, she's not that reliable but she could still predict, anyway. That thirteen thing, for me, is just supertition but I still consider it about the death of Ron and Harry.

First of all, I completely agree with gryffin_hauz about the superstition thing. Trelawney's true gift is undeniable...but was she using the gift at the time?

I can see Harry dying. I really can see Rowling killing him in the last book...after he defeats Voldemort (of course).

Ron? I can't see him dying. I really just can't. But who knows, I didn't see Sirius dying either. But he did.

Basically, I can see one or the other dying (to relate this to your theory, maybe one of them stood up first?). But I can't see both.

I can't see Harry getting killed simply because if he dies then Voldemort will live. The fifth book said that he either has to be the Victim or the killer and only Harry or Voldemort can get rid of the bond between them by killing the other. IN the end I think that Ron will be the one that dies. I mentioned in another post that each book had a seperate story that runs parallel with Harry's story. In the first book it was Snape's cause we found out that James saved his life. In the second it was Riddle finding out that he was Voldemort. In the third it was James's friends from school and finding out that Wormtail betrayed the Potters. In the forth it was the Crouches how one of the last pure blood families was killed off. In the fifth it was how far the ministry of Magic had gone into convincing itself and other families that Voldemort was still gone and how Harry was crazy. I don't know about the 6th but the seventh seemes to be yelling Ron's name since there was so much detail given to him in the first book. When Harry was on the train a lot of detail was put into Ron’s character like how young he was and how his mother cared for him and slowly over the other books showed his progression from child to adult. I think that Ron's journey from child to adult is the story that runs next to Harry's in the final. Not to mention the fact that his brothers are always overshadowing him. So by getting killed by Voldemort would set off Harry's anger allowing him to use the killing curse. It could however set Ron apart from his brothers as he's the one who gives himself for a purpose. But I can't see Harry being the one that bites it in the end as was said above, rather Ron being the one that dies...but we'll find out in time if that's the case.

Yes, I agree that Ron dying is seeming more and more likely.

But about the Harry thing. About being "killed or the killer". When Voldemort dies this doesn't mean that Harry will live a long and happy life (though it will probably end up this way, won't it?). I think what the people above are talking about is Harry and Voldemort either both dying together, or Harry dying after Voldemort is killed.

In my honest opinion, anyone from the series is vulnerable.

I'm not sure.... I feel Ron's going to survive the series, and I really don't want to see Harry die. Personally, I think Hermione's a higher risk than Ron. She's cleverer and can be seen as a threat, so it's possible she'll no come out of it. I'm sorry if the last part to my reply is out of place, but I'm just trying to explain my feelings that I don't see Ron dying.

First off, this is slightly off topic, but the only predictions Trelawny made she doesn't even know about. Itonic, huh?

Anyways, I honestly believe that Harry will survive because the prophecy states that "neither can live while the other survives," or something like that. So that means either Voldemort will live or Harry will live. Because they can't kill each other if one of them is dead. So either Harry kills Voldemort or he is killed by Voldemort. Unless of course somehow that both of them die at the same time. But that is predictable.

Ron, on the other hand, may be the one to die. There is some evidence that supports this, Trelawney's superstition and maybe there is more to the boggart Mrs. Weasley saw in Order.

I really hope that neither die though...

ok, trewlawny has made it clear that she is a seer, but she has been off a lot of times. but also think about this. everyone dies, so even if you were the 5th or 6th one to leave the table you would die too. now if it said "you will die very soon" then it might mean something, saying "you will die" is no big secret.

I'm not sure if Harry and Ron will die, but if they do, I don't think it'll have anything to do with what Trelawny predicted there. It just looked like one of her usual phony predictions. So far the only predictions made by her that turned out to be real were the ones she wasn't aware of, with that creepy voice.

Oh, and I also don't think Harry'll die. It might be Ron, though.

Dumbledore was at the Christmas dinner too, and he died before either Harry or Ron. I think it's just a red herring.

Hmmm... Some interesting points on both sides of the argument. For my part, as I have mentioned elsewhere, I don't think that either Ron or Harry will die in book 7 (nor will Hermione, incidently).

The trio is much too important and central to the stories to have them disappear, even if this is to be the last book of the series. Ron and Hermione are representations of Harry's passion and intellect (respectively), and their often heated discussions when Harry confides his plans in them shows this very clearly.

Within the stories themselves, this is framed very well by the way Dumbledore allows Harry to share what he learns from him with Ron and Hermione, as he appreciates the important part they have to play in Harry's decision making process. Of course, Harry is increasingly making decisions on his own, often against Ron and Hermione's advice, but nonethelss I think Ron and Harry (and Hermione) are safe as far as book 7 is concerned.

As someone else pointed out, and this may sound a bit crass, the stories are also to be thought of in terms of business. Warner Brothers, I believe, holds the rights to the characters. I may be completely off base here, but if this is the case I believe they would be very hesitant in lettting any of the principal characters be killed, as they would like to be able to see them return in sequels or in some other types of future products. This is only speculation, of course, and may be completely ignored (seeing as it is not really intrinsic to the stories either, I think perhaps I shouldn't have brought it up...)

So, in closing, Ron and Harry will definitely make it through book 7, as will Hermione. Of course, that is not to say that they may not wind up being fundamentally changed by the things they live through...

Cheers!

idont htink i could cope with 2 deaths in the 7 book, i barely coped with the one in the 6th

While Trelawney was right about the first to rise first to die thing about sirius in OOTP, she was wrong about the dinner in POA, Dumbledore was sitting when Harry and Ron rose from the table, and he died in HBP, so its just another dud prophecy from trelawney.

as far as harry and ron dying im not convinced. the prophecy says neither can live while the other survives. I take this to mean that Harry will destroy Voldemort and live his life completely. Its probably worth saying that neither harry or voldemort have existed fully over the last 16 years or so. ever since the death of James and Lily Harry has live 10 years of torment with the dursleys, and then had constant trouble while being at hogwarts, with one thing or another(im not going to repeat 6 years of hogwarts history!) Voldemort has suffered similarly, he has existed as a spirit until GOF, but even after that, he is not truly alive because his soal is not whole. I think that once Harry destroys Voldemort, possibly with Ginny's help, possibly without. He can live a full life with her. Also, i've just remembered this, but Harry says to Ginny when they'r breaking up that "its been like something out of someone elses life for the past few weeks with you," he will not be able to live in peace until Voldemort is destroyed. Then and only then will he be able to live a full life.

As for Ron i'm more worried about him, i noticed a pattern in the first 3 books where he was knocked out of play when Harry faced the danger. In PS he got knocked out in the chess game, in COS he got blocked off by the rockfall before going to fight VD, the basilisk and eventually get the girl! and in POA he had a broken leg when Harry fought the demetors, which although not Voldemort directly they do represent everything that voldemort stands for in my eyes, just by how quickly they just flocked to his support. I think the death of his best friend is what will cause the surge of emotion required for Harry to finally kill Voldemort.

just my two pence, i've been writing for a while!

I dont think that Ron will die. I mean Jk cant kill both of them can she?
I no that this is weird but I think that both voldemort and Harry will die killing each other. I mean how can Jk end the series of HP books keeping harry alive? coz the fans will want more books.

i think that would be horrible... and an aweful ending to the book.. killing off the mailn charectors...

one thing, i can see harry and ron dying side by side facing of a horde of dark wizards, but i hope this won't happen. as for balderdash's calim about it not being possible because dumbeldore died before harry and ron, i think you should check the christmas party in the chamber of secrets, numbers were low then too, but i can't rememberwhether everyone sat at the same table that year, but if they did i think you will find dumbledore rose first.

In the chapter "after the burial" in HBP, Hagrid is weaping over a dead aragog, he says "arg, the good always die young". I am probably reading too far into it, but maybe it means something, not necicarilly a harry potter death. Maybe it is nothing, but what if this is yet another little hint of a harry or ron death?

Wow, us HP Fans sure read into a lot of things, but I'm guessing you are because it's just a famous saying...and Aurgog wasn't young. Hagrid's had him for like, well, since HE himself was at Hogarts...so I'm ganna say that you're overreading it.

But if you arn't, then I wouldn't be suprised really. JKR has already given out so many clues...that give away soo many questions...Which reminds me I MUST check out her site right now...or later works fine for me too.

Anyways, if I was a writer of an excellent series, I'd let my fans suffer haha.