I would like to point something out to Winkyrox. Harry and Ron can defineltly fight over Hermione! Why shouldn't they? They are growing up after all. There is a very popular song (original version) by Percy Sledge titled, "When a Man Loves A Woman". The lyric, "...she can do no wrong, turn his back on his best friend if he puts her down...", pretty much proves my point. Love is a very strong emotion. Best friends have been known to fight over a woman. Men, even best friends, have been doing it for hundreds of years!

Get my drift?

This paints a pretty pathetic portrait of Ron to my eye. How sad. However, I still feel that if Ron 'loves' Hermione and he notices that she is focusing too much of her time on Harry, it is very conceivable that Ron will get so jealous that he will at first use angry words with Harry. He did do this once before, in GoF. He stopped talking to Harry for a long while. However, IMO, this only bonded Harry and Hermione even more. Now, the Trio is older, Ron is still envious of Harry and continues to show signs of jealousy. I can see these two having a fight over Hermione. But, will a love triangle and fight happen in book 7? I doubt JKR will do it.

Hello!

Thank you *dementor* for providing that quote (now I don't have to type it all out ). I interpret it as this:
Ron: All right, we all know that Ron likes Hermione. Moving on...
Harry: He hasn't been that embarressed about Ron/Hermione interaction before, so this incident must strike a sensative spot for him (the fact of Ron and Hermione going out, so to speak).
Hermione: My guess on this one is that Hermione is trying to get Harry jealous. If my memory serves me right, Hermione said that that was what Cho tried to do to Harry to see if he liked her or not. Sounds like she has experience on this subhect, right? Who's to say that she won't use this tactic on Harry. But she could also be actually trying to get Ron to go to Slughorn's party. So this could go both ways.

And this my view on the Triangle Theory. I do not think that Harry and Ron will actually fight (as in using wands with intention to kill or seriously hurt the other person), but harsh words (or even silence, but I think that the problem deserves more attention than that) will definately be exchanged.

Earendil_Mithrandir

thats very true and likely. hermione can be clever in things like that you know! yea and she was advising harry and telling him all these things when he was with cho so looks like one of the trio has some big amount of experience!

yea thats also very true and i agree but we must not forget that harry did have quidditch practice and meetings with dumbledore.....but also maybe hermione was trying to make ron jealous or think better of her in a way. when she turned red and everything then changed into some angry person all in like one minute...

maybe she went pink because she didnt want to go with ron at all....she just wanted it to be harry and her!

she didnt take any notice to ron's comments because she thought they were unimportant...maybe she was one of those people shes
talking about that like harry!

she could mean to get harry jealous and later there it talks about harry wishing he hadnt heard the conversation...why? maybe harry was jealous and hoping ron says no.....

those are a bit for now....im not a harmonian but im not against them because there is a possibility it will happen...if you want more i know more examples!

back to the topic: there is a great possibility of this triangle happening because the trio will realise how much they like each other!

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Hai Dementor,
I am very much pleased to hear that you can see the possibilities of H/Hr.
Speaking about Slughorn's parties, it is fact that Harry had Dumbledore's interview but not on the day of Slughorn's party. When Slughorn arranged for a party for the first time, he had snape's detension (postponed because of Dumbledore's interview) so he could not attend the party. In fact he expected Slughorn might ask Snape about postponing the detension. When he was not, he slightly disappointed. But at the same time he noted that Ron was not at all pleased with those parties because he had no invitations from Slughorn. Refer page no 220 and 222 in HBP.
So after that he started to avoid those parties because he didn't want to left out Ron. He is the captain of the team so he can fix the practise times as he wish. But he purposely making the schedules whenever he got the invitation from Slughorn in order to avoid the parties.

[/I]Well, even though Ron and Harry are very close, they still wouldn´t be very happy to long for the same girl - actually, especially because they are such great friends they will feel enourmous pressure if they would realize that the other one has feelings for Hermione as well. No one would want to hurt or loose his friend and therefore would feel pressure and even guilt because of his own feelings. Haven´t you never experienced such feelings for the "object of interest/ love" of your best/ good friend? I bet most of us have at least once in their life felt some sort of "wrong affection" - it doesn´t ask if you want to feel this, you didn´t ask for this to happen, you don´t want to hurt anybody and would never go after those feelings/ this person - but it happens nevertheless. It´s bittersweet, and it´s terrifying and romantic and horrible and exciting and just plain wrong at the same time and you just want it to stop (and at the same time you somehow don´t want it to end...) ... You feel so guilty that it eats you alive.
Most of the persons who have written here in this thread assume that "love triangle" means an open fight between Ron and Harry. I personally think that it doesn´t necessarily mean that Ron would know about Harrys feelings (Harry obviously already knows about his feelings for Hermione, so it would only leave Ron for being in the dark) - love triangle just means that two persons long for the same third person, or maybe even that the third person loves both back - not that they all know necessarily about all love directions. (Are you still with me? ) I reckon with his "people-saving-thing" and strong loyalty towards his friends Harry would do everything not to hurt Ron (even if he knew Hermione would love him back), even if that would mean not to be together with Hermione.
An open fight feels just wrong for me, I think that even with knowing about his best friend as a possible rival for Hermiones feelings neither Ron nor Harry would really fight openly with his friend. I mean, even in GoF they hardly ever fought openly with each other, it was more like avoiding the other ones company (if I am remembering correctly). If I could imagine one of them really fighting (with words and maybe physical actions, that´s what I mean) it would be Ron because he is definetly the more jealous and hot tempered one of both.
On the other hand, I´d like to disagree with you, Tenken's Smile, I can´t really imagine Ron or Harry would be happy to give the other what he wants (Hermione) without a question - they would definetly not be happy campers and love is such a powerful thing and brings the best and worst in us to our surface.
I think there would be a lot of tension and struggeling and fighting with inner demons. Maybe there will even be some fighting, from Ron, and from a writers point of view I can still see tremendous plot options/ possibilities through him realizing H/Hr ... As a reader and a person who likes Ron I rather doubt him turning to the dark side or being tempted by it (but it would give exciting twists and turns, wouldn´t it? )

Well, I think the problem for other R/Hr shippers is that they would have to aknowledge at least the possibility for Harry and Hermione having feelings for each other (or either Harry or Hermione for the other one). Most of them are not as openminded like you, dementor, and also still celebrating their apparent "victory", so for them there is no space for even a tiny possibility of feelings between Harry and Hermione (which would be needed for a love triangle, wouldn´t it? ) So there you are, that´s why here are more H/Hr shippers than R/Hr - even if we saw R/Hr anvilsized and happen we also saw clues for our ship in all the books at the same time. That´s what most of the time R/Hr shippers often don´t get - we weren´t too stupid to see R/Hr, we just saw more (hence H/Hr).

I mean, come one, as I said before - why would JKR, the Queen of red herrings, give everything so openly away before the last book (and not only in a shipping sense, but this is off topic) ? Never ever was one thing in her books like I thought it would be (Quirrel, Scabbers, Lupin, Neville, Tonks etc.). JKR goes to great lenght to distract us, it´s what she admires most in other authors (Dorothy Sayers). So I think from this it makes perfectly sense to suspect that those obviously final pairings in HBP are not so final after all. And if you take in account all those clues for R/Hr and those for H/Hr than a love triangle of some sorts would make the most sense of all (IMO).

It´s interesting that we shippers tend to rule any other than our favourite ship totally out (not that I am not doing the same , I unfortunately do ...) - when were feelings ever just black or white? I can clearly remember many times in my life (most of them more in my early years though not all ) where I felt for the good, easy guy and at the same time for dark, dangerous one (sigh ...). So for me, a love triangle is absolutely a possibility.

But hey, maybe it´s just me with a strange love life...
*Eowyn*

Obviously, Ron seems to be rather unhappy about the thought of Harry and Hermione kissing.

So, if you guys find more quotes proving the possibility of a love triangle, bring them on!!!

Ok, you are talking about a foursome, arent´t you ? A love quadrangle ... (Sorry, pink-punkcesh, just couldn´t resist, it was just too good to let it it pass... Mods, I hope this wasn´t inappropriate, feel free to change it!)

You may very well be right about there not being a triangle between Harry, Ron and HerMIONE. But, I disagree with your "...first of all Harry does not like Hermonie..." comment. People, like myself, who DO see Harry liking Hermione (and vice-versa), not only see it in the movies (where it is very obvious!) but also IN the books as well. After all, it's all in your personal interpretation of the books!

From here on I would like to state MY OPINIONS regarding the triangle theory...
... I see Ron as liking Hermione but I do not see Hermione liking Ron romantically;
... I feel that Ron is pretty envious of Harry;
... whenever Hermione talks about other boys (e.g. Krum) or even Harry in front of Ron, he gets this attitude (because he is insecure and jealous) and begins to argue and disrespect Hermione.
... Hermione has liked Harry for some time now but may think that he doesn't feel the same way about her;
... Harry may think that Ron likes Hermione and therefore, being Ron's 'best mate', wouldn't dream of interfering;
... I know that Harry has deep respect for Hermione. He has come to know her as someone very special. And, like JKR said, "Harry needs Hermione...". I have to say that he needs her in more ways than one!
... I believe that in the final book, Jo may pair the Hero (Harry) with the Heroine (Hermione);
... I feel that Ron will come to realize that Harry and Hermione do indeed belong with one another.
... WILL there be tension between the three of them because of all these feelings? I think so. ... WILL there be an all and out fight between Ron and Harry? I doubt there will be fist fights, but I think harsh words could be exchanged.

Like I said before, these are just MY opinions and I wouldn't dream of inflicting MY opinions on anybody by ranting that this is the way it HAS to be!!

yes i agree........i dont htink so im pretty sure so lol....
i dont know if anyone else has this feeling but this hsip is kind of turning into H/Hr but i suppose H/Hr and Hr/R must be discussed in this thread.........

Eowyn, im sure everybody reads your posts and a very interesting quote you have go there....ron can be sharp sometimes ....especially nowadays (HBP) ...
Unfortunately i cannot remember any parts of evidence and im not bothered to look in the book but i will soon.......
well....bye

[/B]Hai Eowyn,[B]
Your earlier posts made me to think for a while about love. Unfortunately I don't have any experience in that matter. My marriage is an arranged one. Myself and my husband didn't even talk once before our marriage. Luckily we have a wonderful understanding life. It took three long years for us to attain that understanding. In fact the relationship between myself and my husband is exactly like the same between H/Hr. If I start one sentence he will finishes it. I can read his thoughts from his face without words. Often H/Hr reminds me our relationship. Maybe that is one of the reasons why I am this much interested in seeing H/Hr together. I think i am going off topic. Here some of the quotes proving the love triangle.
In GOF the chapter "Unexpected Task" has many quotes supporting the triangle love. You please go through it once.
In OOP, Harry's outburst in No 12, Grimmauld Place. He could not tolerate the thought of Ron and Hermione being together without him.
In OOP, Chapter 12,Page no 213,
The anger that had just flared so unexpectedly still blazed inside him, and the vision of Ron and Hermione's shocked faces afforded him a sense of deep satisfaction.
In OOP, chapter 15,
Ron and Hermione were still smirking and Harry felt his temper rise; he wasn't even sure why he was feeling so angry.
In OOP, Chapter 29,page no 588,
"Harry, don't do it, please don't do it!" Hermione said in anguished tones as the bell rang at the end of the class.
He did not answer; he did not know what to do.(text)
Ron said in a low voice, "Give it a rest,OK? He can make up his own mind"
In HBP, Chapter 14, page no 265,
What if they became like Bill and Fleur, and it became excruciatingly
embarrassing to be in their presence, so that he was shut out for good?
In HBP chapter 11, page no 214,
"Oh dear," said Hermione nervously."He's still a bit scary, isn't he?"
"Come off it, you've ridden him, haven't you?" said Ron.
In the same chapter Page no 219,
"No" said Harry. "No, I suppose that's true. But wasn't that dishonost, Hermione? I mean, you're a prefect, aren't you?"
"Oh, be quiet" she snapped, as he smirked.
"What are you two doing?" demanded Ron,reappearing in the door way to the great Hall and looking suspicious.
"Nothing," said Harry and Hermione together, and they hurried after Ron.
In page No 220,
"Oh, I wish you could come, I don't want to go on my own!" said Hermione anxiously; Harry knew that she was thinking about McLaggen.
"I doubt you'll be alone, Ginny'll probably be invited," snapped Ron, who did not seem to have taken kindly to being ignored by Slughorn.
Even though I am searching for quotes, still one question is ringing in my mind What if Ron didn't feel any thing romantic for Hermione?

Lupin 123, thank you for sharing this with me/us. It´s wonderful to hear that you found such a great partner even though he was "found for you" - or maybe I should better say, it´s wonderful that you and your husband worked so hard (or so I assume, because such a loving and understanding relationship doesn´t come from nothing ) and achieved a very special bond between you - this doesn´t happen very often, not even in non-arranged marriages! You are very lucky, if I might say that ! So this explains why you and me and so many other deslusional shippers are so fond of our favourite couple - they have such a special bond which we all are looking for in real life and hope to find.

I read through "Unexpected Task" in GoF, Lupin123, and you are right, there are some moments when Ron is jealous at Harry. But as far as I understood, it wasn´t really because of Hermione, it was more in generell. So I think I will go on looking for more quotes to proof a possible H/HR/R triangle. You found really good ones in OotP and HBP. Thanks for looking and helping me finding more proof!!! Keep on going!

How do you mean that, Lupin123, do you have a theory (*jumps excitedly from on foot to the other, eager to hear*)?

I think it doesn´t matter which state Rons and Hermiones relationship has (if you meant this by "past that kind of stage now", Loooooony), for me Ron was always the more jealous type (through his upbringing) and therefore he will always react strongly about things he likes to have or he "owns" and feels threaten about it. From beginning on he felt sort of inferior to Harry. Even though Harry is his best friend and he would do everything for him and is absolutely loyal to Harry it would be interesting to see what happens if Ron feels that Harry wants or gets something Ron feels he has older rights to (sorry Hermione, for writing about you like a thing ).
Please, don´t misunderstand me, I really like Ron! I don´t try to portrait him as an evil person, those are absolutely normal human feelings to have! And how boring would literature, movies etc be if everybody would be absolutely good and saintly - ? Actually, I quite hope that JKR resists a too smoothly relationship transition between the trio - I want peace and happiness in the end, H/Hr and R/L, but there should at least be some grumpy, hurt feelings and such stuff in between, to make it more real.

Eowyn

Wow. .you actually sit there working that all out! Well that makes life easier for us
I really agree with that but wasn’t he talking about Cho there?
I was thinking that hermione gets separated from ron and harry and they both get sad and. . .the story continues!
It oculd happen you know. .trianles like this are more than likely with some people (ron) getting jealous of harry and hermione. . .aghhhhhhh I feel like killing them all before voldemort does!

Yes, Harry was immediately thinking about Cho, but I think that JKR distracted the readers there. Have you visited portkey.org.talk website. You can read many more theories like this.

i used to think that too but i have a mixture of ideas now!
people think differently of different things and although most shippers here are H/Hr i dont see why there shouldnt be R/Hr...anyway its not about H/Hr here its about the triangle so it doesnt matter.
i support both for that case

I'm all for Harry and Hermione, but I have to ask you a question. Do you really think that Harry loves Hermione NOW (after HBP)? I still think that he is in the dark about how Hermione feels about him. Yes, I am of the belief that Hermione is in love and has been in love with Harry for some time now. Ron has ALWAYS had a crush on her. I dare say that he may have been crushing her since book one! Maybe. But, to me, it's clear that she doesn't like him other than as a friend. That last scene in HBP, where they are sitting together at Dumbledore's funeral and Ron is stroking Hermione's hair, just proves that she regards him as a friend. He wants to hold and comfort her because he likes her. She let's him because she believes it's just a comforting gesture from a friend. I think that since Harry has broken it off with Ginny (yeah!), then he will come to realize that he loves Hermione. It will be a sticky situation. Harry will no doubt want to prevent hurting Ron, so it will be up to Hermione to make Ron understand. I don't think that Harry and Ron will have a fist fight, but knowing Ron's temper (and Harry is no shrinking violet!), they will certainly have a very loud verbal 'fight'.

I personally think that Harry has deeper feelings for Hermione at the end of HBP, but that he isn´t aware of them. Maybe even less than he was aware of them at the end of OotP, because his "chest creature feelings" for Ginny ( ) cover them. As I stated before - I reckon Harry needs a huge wake-up call to figure out is feelings for his bushy haired friend.
And you are absolutely right, Dubledores Widow, he hasn´t a clue whatsoever about Hermiones feelings for him, which - and here I agree with you again, DW - could be love, despite all the "canary-fuss" in HBP. I also agree with you, that Rons hair -stroking-action at Dubledores funeral doesn´t nessessarily mean that they are together - for me, Ron and Hermione even could have had an open discussion before the funeral about their feelings towards eachother in which they either found out that they both have just more platonic feelings for each other or that Hermione doesn´t love Ron back, and Ron would still comfort Hermione in this situation (especially because Harry is ocupied with Ginny and nobody else is there to comfort Hermione).
I also have to agree with you, DW, that there won´t be a fistfight between Ron and Harry - but I am pretty sure there will be a lot of angry words, flying temper and hurt feelings involved, if Harry and Hermione should come together in the last book. I personally feel, that Ron - even if he should have found out at the end of HBP that his feelings for Hermione are not strong enough for a relationship (a while ago I started to think that his feelings have more to do with possessiveness than with real love) - will react very badly to the news of H/Hr. After all, he was always jealous of Harry, suffered always from being the second choice/best, even in his own family, so getting this complex angst suddenly confirmed will be a huge thing for Ron. The only factor to help him with this issue and resolve this conflict would be if JKR would already have given him a new and evolved love interest (hence Luna, IMO, ) ... To soothe Rons ego, so to speak...

Eowyn

In all honesty, if you really think about it, there is NO foreshadowing that the shipping would become H/G just because Ginny had a crush on Harry. That's all I ever saw in the previous books, Ginny's school girl crush. A one sided crush is hardly a foreshadowing of anything to come!

As for Ron loving Hermione, he sure has a very strange way of showing her! Come on, he's a teenager now, not a little boy putting the end of a little girl's pig-tail in an ink well! He's going through the teen hormones stage, he has a great opportunity to let Hermione know his real feelings about her, but what does he do? Go off on a snogging fest with Lavender. Stupid move. Hermione loving Ron? Naw! I just don't see it. As for Harry liking Hermione, well, not at this point in time. Since the books are from his POV, we see that he really believes (like what the readers are also led to believe, but Harmonians see it as red-herrings!) that Ron likes Hermione, so naturally, being that Ron is one of his best friends, Harry wouldn't think about regarding Hermione as more than just a friend. Besides, Harry is too pre-occupied by being very shallow and selfish in book 6. The book reeks of love potions and everyone is out of character in it. I can't help but think that there is so much more than what is supposedly is obvious in book 6.

In either case, it isn't H/G NOR R/Hr at the end of HBP. I have said it before that I don't think it will come down to fist fights between Harry and Ron over Hermione. Instead, I see exactly what I posted before - and that is Ron being suspicious of Hermione having feelings for Harry. And, I don't think he likes it much!