Has anyone read this editorial?

http://www.mugglenet.com/editorials/madamp...it-king01.shtml

It shows how Ron will be an abusive boyfriend to Hermione..and she isn't really suited for him because of the way he treats her.

I think it's possible.

Personally, I think its a big steaming heap of (deleted because children maybe present).

The inital part of the article is probably very much based in fact but Ron is a fictional character. What this seems to me is a proto-feminist who seems to want to put down a popular male character. All of Ron's behaviour in HBP is more easily explained as it being typical of a slightly immature teenaged boy who is being pulled by his hormones in 97 different directions.

Slaine mac Roth i agree with you. also this is a bit biased. i don't think this could happen. i found myself laughing actually. but it is well written!

i think thats rons probably the most normal of the "trio" because a. he hasnt had a totaly messed up childhood (harry)
and hes not a massive bookworm (hermione)
its pretty obvious that he likes hermione and those examples only show that he likes hermione, not that hes a potential psycho!
And i agree that who-ever wrote it was a neo bloody feminist (boy i hate them) who just wanted to act a bit clever.........

Oh well nevermind

Aristoth ^^

Actually, I've seen some other posts by Vivvo and he/she seems to be a confirmed Ron hater which explains why the comments were posted.

Hey now, watch it in here. Firstly, criticise the article all you like, but don't start attacking the author personally because we just won't put up with it on this site. Secondly, the article was written by 'king', not vivvo, so be careful who you address your comments to. All vivvo did was bring the article to everyone's notice.

Now if you all can have a civilised conversation here and discuss the article with maturity, great, carry on. If not, this thread will get locked. Up to you.

woah!
well...vivvo...i'm a kinda ron fan but i definetly do not blame you because everyone has got their own style and taste. i think i said this in your other topic too. nobody should blame you or anything and i don't even blame king on writing that article. it's his life and he can do whatever he wants to do.
however, if ron loves hermione it's ok but we still should wait for the 7th book to come and who knows, anything could happen! maybe krum comes in the book too. j.k's the author and i'm sure she'll think of the best for the best.
if i'm being kinda bossy then i'm very sorry but i'm just saying what i think and giving in my opinion.
Peace out!

Ron has never abused Hermione and he never will because he loves her! That's it! Case closed! End of story!

That sounds like utter codswallop. Ron is a typical male teenager. He's hot tempered, gets jealous easily, doesn't know how to treat a member of the opposite sex (but he's learning), and given the fact that he's had a crush on Hermione for a while, all of his actions make sense. He's really not a smooth guy, so his actions of course are going to be blunt and idiotic. He's going to jump to conclusions when Hermione does something suspicious because he likes her and he wants to know.

It's really quite simple and not to mention typical for a young male in his teens. I highly doubt that's abusive behavior. Honestly I doubt Ron would hurt a fly. That's sort of been proven throughout the books. Even when someone is utterly embarrassing him (or angering him) instead of throwing a violent fit he simply turns red and gets depressed. That's not abusive behavior.

If anything I think all of his actions prove that he's quite protective of Hermione and their relationship.

That article is really, really funny, it made me laugh. And that bit Dumbledore might know something that’d work, though,” Ron said. “Where is he? Bill fought those maniacs on Dumbledore’s orders, Dumbledore owes him, he can’t leave him in this state--"
Ron wants easy magical solutions to his problems and if he doesn’t have the talent to do a needed spell he expects those that do have the talent to help him out.

Oh sure, that makes sense. It's just not right to say that Ron is abusive. Ron loves Hermione and that's all there is to it

Hmm... I appreciate the thought that the author put into the essay, but I think it's really a bit silly. Like many have said before me, Ron is just a teenager. Most (not all) guys really don't get it together until they're a bit older. But since we might not ever get to see them as adults (except for maybe the epilogue of the 7th book) then why does it really matter if he has the "potential" to be abusive? The rest will be left all up to our imagination, really, and fans will make him as abusive, or otherwise, as they wish.

Besides, I think a bit of jealousy is good. Why should Hermione like him at all if he doesn't care enough about the relationship, or lack thereof, to get a bit fussy about it?

sorry
Mod Edit: Please take a closer look at what Michelle Dessler said earlier in this thread, don't personally attack the author of the article in question.

Wellthat is the most riddiculous,insane,stupid,foolish and senseless stuff i have ever come across.It makes no sense.Lets say that Hermione will be more abusive because she threw canaries towards Ron.What was that???I mean they all are not perfect and are teenagers Its natural for couples for getting jelous.Why would Ron get jelous of HAGRID?For goodness sake grow up.

Well, i agree with everyone thats replied and thinks this is stupid. You could also re create the article to show that Hermione would be the abusive one. Let's be realistic Ron isn't the type to abuse anyone, and there's one HP book left and if JKR doesn't write in the abuse it will never happen,because they are fictional. She will never write it in because kids do still read the books. If it was to happen,like Hermione would stand to be treated badly anyway, she's not someone that can be walked all over,Ron knows that. They are the perfect couple and both extremely good characters who would never treat anyone they cared about badly. It's just Ron's hormones, he's a teenage boy who's confused about his feelings. Not an abusive guy at all.

complete stupidity , what about hermione? she hasn't been exactly No.1 ron lover.
She attacked him with paper birds, plotted nasty ways to get back at him and tried to make him jealous! jeez
what really made me laugh was the 'so what, you are the smartest in our year, i would of told him so if he asked me!' An obvious sign of jealousy It was a complimant for crying out loud! and if he was jealous then why is he accused of rushing into a relationship with her at the end of the book?
still it was nicely written but complete and utter tosh

I think that JKR is not trying to establish that he's going to be an abusive person, but that hes just a typical moody, jealous teenager. 'Nuff said I think. Although I applaud the person that wrote the essay for taking all the time to find the examples. Sometimes I dont agree with my own theorys but I find them highly plausible.

i dont think ron will turn to be an abusive boyfriend i my self had read that befor and i just end up laughing ron will soon mature in time and he will be perfect for hermione.............he is just aplain teenager

Thanks for sharing this, but I really don't think this is the case. I think jealousy is very typical of a teenage boy who likes a girl. I don't think any of these things are a call for alarm and I don't think JKR would just throw this in. Ron isn't violent anyway, he's merely jealous.

Well...I'm going to have to say that I agree with the majority here. No way that Ron would be abusive. He's agressive, yes, but so is Ginny...do you see her using/abusing Harry? Ron's just a teenage guy dealing with a lot--normal teenage guy things (love, jealousy, protectiveness, testostrone, etc), plus the fact that his best friend has this humungo destiny that needs to be fulfilled with the help of some friends. I mean, in his situation, who wouldn't act like Ron has? The author seems to be pretty biased--does he/she ship H/Hr? That may explain a lot...

~Gerry's Gurl~

Most of the evidence sited in the editorial has been plucked out of context. Ron has a real need to belong and be someone. That, and how poor he is, and how 'untalented' he is in comparison with his two best friends is enough to make anyone act a little weird sometimes. His got the kind of real issues that most people deal with. Ron is unspoilt - he is not scheming and conniving. What you see is what you get - except on the occasions where he surprises with a rare insight. What I like most about him is his geniune loyalty to his friends.

He is the last person I would have thought would be accused of being power hungry - which is what an abuser is ultimately after. He just wants the normal nice things - money, status etc. There isn't something horrifically wrong with wanting it, his need is just magnified by the screaming absence of any such things in his life. In the end, he would settle for whatever he has, I'm sure of it. Woah, an abusive partner is a bit harsh imo.

OK, well, while I respect your opinions, and can see where you're coming from with this I just wanna point out that most of these things can be explained by the fact that Ron is just trying to bring Hermione's attention back to himself, and JK trying to make it clear that he likes her.

Also some of those things that are pointed out in Ron's behaviour are not really terrible, I mean, yeah, sometimes he is a bit jealous, and there is some tension between him and Hermione. And yes, he regularly tries to get Hermione's attention, but how else is the tension supposed to build to the point that they end up together?

They just like each other, but are too inexperienced to know how to show it. And remember that Ron is used to dealing with boys - 6 older brothers. Yes, he has one sister, but remember that she has grown up in a house full of boys, so she has had to get tough.
Hermione, as an only child, has only ever had to deal with herself, and has always been treated as a girl, so she is a little thin-skinned at times, and Ron doesn't really understand this. (I don't want these comments to be construed as sexist, but there IS a difference in the way girls and boys are raised, and I just mean to imply that Hermione's upbringing would not have been as "rough", and that she is not used to boys as Ginny is, so her reactions to his actions/comments would be different)

And, anyway, Ron rules - how dare anyone suggest that he is an abuser (Just kidding, I do respect your opinion)

If you really understand the books, then you can look at each of the examples given and show how Ron is just trying to get the attention of the girl he adores. The article is merely a well- written persuasive essay to try to get the reader to think that Ron would be abusive. It's all opinion though, because each situation is manipulated. Also, JK Rowling wouldn't have that kind of situation with Ron and Hermione. It's just not her style.

well, it's really well written and all i've observed from it that ron loved hermione and cares a lot about her.

I don't see Ron as someone who would phisically hurt anyone unless there evil. He always stands up for Hermione and Ron doesn't do most of the things on that list. Some of them he does but I can give a reason.

Jealousy: Ron may be jealousy of Hermione's relation with Krum, but SHE was jealous too when ron when out with Lavender. And Ron not jealousy of too much. I don't think he would actully phissically hurt Hermione, even if she cheated on him. He'll just yell at her if she cheated. If he was just jealous he would probably just ignore her or diss the boy.

Controlling: Ok so Ron is controlling, but so is Hermione. They both boss each other around.

Cruelty to animals and to children: Ok so he called some first years midgets but he never hurt them.

Verbal abuse: He makes fun of her, she makes fun of him, it's just the way thier relainship works.

As for the other things, I didn't think he did that. And as for all those examples it's just his jealousy, nothing too worry about, everyone gets jealous.

I don't think that Ron would be abbusive, that doesn't sound like the ROn who we know and love from the books. He has never abused her before as a friend, so why would he as a boyfriend? He would treat her better because he loves her and couldn't live with himself if he ever hurt her! I think that some people need to reread the books! Especially the 6th one at the very end at the funeral!

I see the behaviour between Ron and Hermione is pretty typical of teenage behaviour. They both act the way they do because of the feelings that they have for each other, and like kelli said^, if you read the part after the funeral in HBP, it shows just how much he really cares for Hermione.

I think that the author has twisted those quotes which were meant to be taken in a light hearted,funny light.I think he or she has totally misunderstood the point.And kelli has got a point there.

I dont think that if Ron and Hermione got together, which i'm sure they will. that Ron would ever be abusive to her in anyway and if he ever was then it wouldn't be intentional (i sort of contradicted myself there but never mind). i think that Ron is too much o a nice character to hurt anyone on purpose.

I read half of the article and couldn't bring myself to read any more of it. I'm sorry, but I don't believe it. I mean, I know people who act that way sometimes, but they aren't abusive. I'm not knocking anyone who believes it, but I find the article untrue.

well i think ron does get lealous but he won't be abusive. jk wouldn't put someone in there like that especially ron. some of what mugglenet said kind of made sense, but i don't think it will happen. i mean did you ever think ron might think he isn't good enough for someone like hermione.i mean he is a poor person with lots of family and doesn't always get the best grades in the world. maybe he just thinks he isn't good ehough for her. hermione is smart and beautiful and ron wouldn't want to lose that.

I think that this may be the biggest load of poo I have ever heard. Along with Hermy getting together with Snape. This is a childens book at heart people. I doubt JK will make a main character be an abusive jerk. Or a petafile for that matter.

I must agree with Dean_Thomas, because i don`t think that Ron could ever hurt Hermione because he likes her to much.
I don`t want to bad mouth anybody, but those that belive this must be stupid (no offence ), but this is my opinion because this is foolish to belive .

Errrr... is this sounding like a pile of dragon dung to anybody else? Why would Ron be friends with her, want to marry her and have kids with her if he didn't care. Plus, I don't think he'd be jealous of anybody else. (well apart from krum, but that was when they weren't going out!)

gryffindorgirlie, I agree… totally dragon dung… I stopped reading halfway through. It’s ridiculous. All these situations just show Ron likes Hermione… Really he’s not abusive but he’s afraid Harry might like Hermione and Hermione likes anyone but him. It is stupid in my ears.

I laughed all the way thorugh that report.

The author had written it very well and clearly believed it was true.

But it just seems slightly ridiculas that this person thought that a fictional character could turn into an abuser.



The author sort of conviently forgot to mention all the times Ron has helped Ron nd Hermione and the fact that he is a very loyall friend.

He's never shown Hermione any physical violence has he?

I just find the entire thind absolutely ridiculous! Sorry but ido

-ginny

That is the biggest pile of stuff that i have ever read! Props to the author, you really belived you were right. I just can't ever see ron hurt anyone one. Ahhh that article is just crazy! Ron is just a sarcastic person that's his personality!!!!!!! And every teenage boy is jealous of someone. Harry is sometimes jealous of Ron's normal life. That's my two cents.

Although I completely disagree with the author's opinion because I think that he got a little bit carried away reading between the lines; it's a very well written article. Anyways, is his opinion and I respect it.

Nevertheless, I do not deny Ron's jealousy, which JKR made evident...but she also made Hermione's evident when it was necessary.... And that's a normal way of reacting when someone is a teenager. As,Bee_is_me said, Harry sometimes felt jealous of Ron's normal life.

Although written well the author only included parts of the quotes that they used. If one would merely read back over the pages she sited then one would see that Jkr has reasons for stating the way she has said things. The reactions ron was having was merely normal reactions for someone under emotional stress. I mean, you try being around someone you love all the time and they never know it and all the while she/he is or has gone out with an unbelievably unachievable standard of a person. It is enough to make anyone mad. I will stand by my opinion that ron loves hermione and he would never hit her. There is a reason that he never reacted in a more physical way to her when she attacked him with birds.