Just the Droobles
Mar 4 2006, 01:40 AM
Hey PigWithHair, I went back in and watched She first this time, and I got into it. I really like that video. It is so sweet.
But my computer errored again on Why Can't I Have You. I think it is my computer not your site, so....but I wish I could see it. Oh well. I like what I saw.
I asked a question a long time ago about Ron and Hermione not getting together or something and that didn't get responded to too well. But I will answer the QotD because I know how it would feel if no one wanted to answer your question.
The only way I think they'd break up is if they found out it just wasn't working out or something. I always thought they'd be a good pair, but we've never really seen them as a pair so we can't know for sure. Of course there is always the possibility that one of them goes off to hang out with the Grim Reaper....but I don't like that subject because I know...he's gonna die...
PigWithHair
Mar 4 2006, 02:21 AM
brown eyed girl,Thanks for the kind comments. Glad you liked them. I'm working on another one now and have several more planned, plus I'm adding fan fic (all Ron and Herm, of course).
To answer your question: absolutely they will stay together. They will bicker and there will be fights. Their relationship will never be a smooth one, but yeah, it will be lasting.
Frankly, I see them marrying pretty young. There is a lot of tension built up there and I have a hard time picturing them calmly dating as boyfriend/girlfriend for too long.
Actually, I see them marrying pretty much right after seventh year, but JKR might not see it that way. I really hope to not be disappointed by the ending or by the epilogue.
Just the Droobles,Glad you went back and thanks a lot. I'll give a heads up when I add vids. Sorry you can't see the one.
Also, sorry I really didn't answer your question, but I couldn't. I just don't see them NOT getting together and I don't like fan fic where Ron marries someone else or Hermione goes off to another country to work etc etc etc. NO!
That's not what I want to see, so I've put my blinders on and if JKR does write them as not getting together then I'll live happily in denial and fan fiction.
I don't see that as a possibility though because of the following quotes:
JKR Interview for HBP(TLC/Mugglenet Interview w/ JKR) [072005]:I will say, that yes, I personally feel - well it's going to be clear once people have read book six. I mean, that’s it. It’s done, isn’t it? We know. Yes, we do now know that it's Ron and Hermione. I do feel that I have dropped heavy -...
But Ron — I had a lot of fun with that in this book. I really enjoyed writing the Ron/Lavender business, and the reason that was enjoyable was Ron up to this point has been quite immature compared to the other two and he kind of needed to make himself worthy of Hermione. Now, that didn't mean necessarily physical experience but he had to grow up emotionally and now he's taken a big step up. Because he's had the meaningless physical experience - let’s face it, his emotions were never deeply engaged with Lavender -
[Much laughter in which Melissa emits a "Won-Won"]
- and he's realized that that is ultimately not what he wants, which takes him a huge emotional step forward.JKR - Edinburgh Book Festival (JKR Official Website) [081504]:Will Ron and Hermione ever get together?
JKR: Well [Laughter.] What do you think? [Audience member: I think they will]. I'm not going to say. I can't say, can I? I think that, by now, I've given quite a lot of clues on the subject. That is all I'm going to say. You will have to read between the lines on that one.
Just the Droobles
Mar 4 2006, 03:26 AM
Well, it has never been a doubt in my mind that they will get together. She has left anvil sized hints and I am seeing them all clearly. Plus you can't just ignore all the stuff in the fourth and sixth books. To me that just concreted it all. With my question I was just trying to stir up some conversation. What if Krum comes back and Hermione drifts to him? I know we've already discussed that and all, and I also think they are just friends now, but you never know. But I mean, jeez come on, they need to just get on with it. I think it would be relief for everyone. Fans and JKR. So I'm hoping and waiting and I am going to strangle someone if it doesn't happen. It will be so loverly.
PigWithHair
Mar 4 2006, 04:25 AM
My husband likes to say that Hermione still has a thing for Krum...that is just to p*** me off. He likes to wind me up.
While its plain JKR has set the ships and I definitely don't see her changing them with everything else she has going in the last book, I do think it is very viable for discussion as to what will happen during the course of the seventh book.
No, I don't think Hermione harbors a crush on Krum at all, and actually, it would be kind of hard to believe that he would still pine for her after all this time as well.
I do think Krum will return for the wedding and a misunderstanding will ensue. While post-Lavender Ron is more mature and won't react the same as he did previously regarding Krum, he will be jealous.
Will Mrs Weasley tell Harry and Ron that they need dates for the wedding? Will Fleur try to set Ron up with one of her veela cousins? And how much of an effect would veela have on Ron now? Will that spell trouble?
I do think the more time goes on after Ron has broken up with Lavender, the more uncertain and insecure Hermione will feel regarding Ron's possible feelings for her.
She was very happy when they finally broke up, but did she really know how Ron felt, or just hoped now she had a chance? I don't think she's all that certain just how he feels, especially after he's chosen another girl over Hermione (or at least, from Hermione's perspective he has).
So she will feel uncertain, and Krum will make him feel uncertain. Problems, problems, problems.
I also think Hermione gets injured during Book 7 which will spur Ron into realizing that he could lose her if he doesn't do something. Krum might also do that, but I think it will become obvious, even to Ron (though he'll never feel totally comfortable with her being around Krum) that Krum and Hermione are friends only.
smee
Mar 4 2006, 08:33 AM
There's no way JK is going to do anything other than Hermione/Ron and Harry/Ginny in the 7th book. You can't make it as obvious that they belong together as she did in HBP and then not have them get together. What kind of writer goes back on the huge hints shes left.
My worst fear is them finally admitting their feelings to each other (possibly in some dramatic, romantic way; in the heat of battle or something) and then one of them being killed shortly after, so we never get to know if it would have worked out or not. I'd cry for days, I wouldn't be able to leave the house, I don't think work would be very happy actually...
PigWithHair
Mar 4 2006, 10:18 PM
Well, I do see one of them at least getting seriously injured in Book 7, and I'm guessing its Hermione since Ron was almost poisoned in the last one.
I agree with smee that would be depressing indeed. She's worked too hard to make them right for each other, though. Especially given how she made Ron "worthy" of Hermione through the Lavender Episode, so no, I don' t think she'll kill one of them off.
Just the Droobles
Mar 5 2006, 02:43 AM
I think Ron will die. He really is the most important one to every one of them. He is Harry's best friend, Hermione's love interest (right now) and Ginny's brother. If Voldemort wanted to hit them all hard and catch them off guard, he would kill Ron. Like Ginny said he will use the people Harry cares most about against him, and Harry cares more about Ron than Hermione or Ginny, in my opinion. Ron has just had a basic six tough years so far though. In the first book, he sacrifice hiself to that chess set, in the second book...well I can't think of anything. In the third, spiders tried to make him tap dance, he almost got his let chomped off, and his rat was a man. Fourth book he had to do the second task, and the Ball. Fifth book he was a prefect (sort of bad for him) and he had that brain incident in the DoM, and in the sixth he was almost poisoned. See, Ron's just got a target on his back. And he's my favorite character and my favorite character always seems to die...
smee
Mar 5 2006, 09:35 AM
Hey Droobles your absolutely right. I never realised it before but killing Ron would devastate all the main characters more than any other death. I really hope he doesn't die though. If I had to have someone die I suppose it would be Harry (in a really heroic way in the final battle of course) so Ron and Hermione would be left to build a life together and they could help each other cope with his death. That would be so sad
ps. Pigwithhair, I watched your music videos. They're really good! What editing program do you use?
PigWithHair
Mar 5 2006, 05:47 PM
That's all true except for one thing: Harry is the one Voldemort has decided he needs to kill. Yeah, he might torture Harry by killing Ron first, but really Harry is the only one Voldy cares about.
Oh, and I have a new music video...told from Ron's perspective. Just click on my link in my sig.
smee
Mar 8 2006, 10:11 AM
Right. Enough talk about killing (it's to depressing). Yes, there's a good chance someones going to die but it's not like JK's going to make her decision about who it is on what we think
(I think she knows already anyway). I'd rather be in denial. That's right, everyone's going to live happily ever after in a fairy tale ending
.
My question is, how reliable are the films? What I mean is when we look for clues as to whos going to end up with who should we be trusting the films or only look to the books and what JK herself has said in interviews. Was JK consulted about who she plans to end up with who so the clues in the films wouldn't be misleading? Or have the filmakers taken it upon themselves to exagerate the clues that are in the books? This doesn't just apply to ships either, something that might seem trivial in a book (and therefore be left out of a fim due to time constraints) may prove to be very important later on. Does anyone see what I'm getting at?
Capricorn
Mar 8 2006, 10:43 AM
I do, and yes, I think she is definitely consulted. On the CoS DVD I think, she and the Steve Kloves the scriptwriter do an interview together, and from what they say she is definitely involved. He works closely with her because he needs to know where his characters are going.
Furthermore, we know JK cares about the movies not being mucked up, because she went rather drastic by saying that only Brits could play British wizards in the movie. That by the way is why Harry Potter always gets shunned at the Oscars. The American Academy doesn't like this restriction, I think.
So I would trust what's happening in the movies, don't worry!
smee
Mar 8 2006, 09:17 PM
Ah, sweet release, I can sleep tonight. OK, it wasn't quite that desperate, but thanks Capricorn
I'd totally forgotten about that interview. I still think the best place to look for clues n stuff is definitely in the books though, people loss sight of the 'real' story sometimes I think. Though I do love the films
Just the Droobles
Mar 8 2006, 09:24 PM
The only evidence we must rely on is the books. It doesn't matter if the movies do anything (other than disappoint a few people) but the books are really the only thing that matters. I really enjoy the movies, quite a lot actually, but I know the books are the books and the movies are the movies. So no matter how many times Hermione is not hugging Ron or kissing Ron on the head or whatever, I know what's coming up and that makes me happy.
And JKR is definitely involved or no telling what they might be doing. I actually think she has interjected on lots of things and thrown stuff out before, like not let them do it at all. I wonder if she had any hand at throwing on of the deleted scenes from GoF out...it was a bit...dodgy. Weird. PG-13ish....
smee
Mar 8 2006, 09:54 PM
I can't believe you guys across the pond have got the GoF DVD. I won't get mine until the end of the month. Stupid release dates...stupid Amazon...stupid...mutter...curse.
Anyway. Is it good? Any deleted scenes of Ron and Hermione getting it on? Probably not eh
MOD EDIT: Yeah...that's a negative. Please remember that this is a family site. Oh and try to stay on topic here.
PigWithHair
Mar 9 2006, 03:29 AM
Yes, I see what you're getting at as this is something that has been discussed ad nausem all over the boards.
Firstly, JKR has already said in interviews that "Yes, we know it's Ron and Hermione." She said it absolutely.
Secondly, "canon" usually refers to the books and JKR interviews, however some of us consider the films as a bit of canon as well. That's subjective.
Regarding what you're referring to...Harry/Hermione.... I just don't see that in the films at all. I know many people talk it up, but frankly it was Ron who was jealous of her being with Krum. Harry could have cared less.
Yes, Harry thought she was pretty as he did in the book because he was used to seeing her as one of the guys and he had to see her from a different frame of reference, that of a girl - not just his pal Hermione.
Other than that, I really don't see the films pointing to any Harry/Herm thing. They have an affectionate sibling relationship. They are close and comfortable with each other but there is no sexual tension as there is between Hermione and...well...someone else with red hair.
Got my DVD and was thrilled. Loved the Yule Ball...Ron/Hermione stuff there. Loved the fight and loved her ending up on the stairs crying as he looks back over his shoulder. Great visual.
Not too much shipping in the fifth book, they may add some bits as they did in the second and third film. I'm hoping so. Anyway, I'm already looking forward to the HBP film.
Just the Droobles
Mar 9 2006, 11:14 PM
About Harry Hermione in the films...
To me, I can definitely see Ron going towards Hermione in the fourth movie, but Hermione not so much. I think it was played out a bit like that in the books, but she sure did pay a lot of attention to Harry in the movie #4. Course Harry doesn't really pay attention to her because he's too involved with Cho at that point. I think it is incredibly obvious in the movies and the books that Ron developed feelings first. Is that just me?
And I too think the Yule Brawl was done excellently, even though it wasnt the exact same as the book. I think it was awesome. So tense.
smee
Mar 11 2006, 04:19 PM
I need my GoF DVD. I'm gagging to rewatch it in the comfort of my own home now these forums have given me loads of stuff to look out for. I saw it twice in the cinema but thats not nearly enough.
From what I can remember Hermione does seem to be going towards Harry more in GoF (as opposed to PoA when it was clearly Ron) but I only ever saw it as her being really worried about him (with good reason) as a close friend (the hug before the first task etc.), nothing romantic. Maybe that's just me being blinkered?
Capricorn
Mar 11 2006, 09:12 PM
I think the reason it looks as if Ron developed feelings first is because, bless him, he didn't know it! So he couldn't hide it. Where I think Hermione was flattered by Krum's attention, she had probably realised she didn't feel as much for him as for ... Ron? Krum was maybe what made her realise, because she had to figure out why he wasn't doing it for her.
And when she did, she hid it, because well, Ron was a bit of an idiot about it really. But luckily that's all changed now! They are so sweet, I just can't get over it!
mxnhpfreak
Mar 12 2006, 12:12 AM
hello! well I barely post in this thread, because even though I do love this ship, I like H/G the most!
However I usually come in here and read your posts guys, and I decided I should come here to put my "two cents" as you usually say...
I'll probably be repeating some of the things I, or other members have posted in the Venom H/Hr thread, but that's my opinion, those are my thoughts...
So here I am to tell you my point of view of R/Hr ship in the movie 4 and/or book 4..
I think that even though Hermione does seem more close to Harry in this film the tension between she and Ron is something you just can't hide or deny.. I mean it's there!
In the book we see that Hermy and Harry did share a lot of time, due to the fight between our hero and Ron, so I think the movie wanted to show that in a way... however I think they've missed something that's very important... at least to me. They forgot to make clear how annoyed were Hermy and Harry when Rita said the were dating... I don't think they made it quite clear... but hey! maybe that's just me...
I hope they can make some room for a few subtle hints in the OotP movie... They need to do it to introduce the movigoers to the new canon romances: Ron and Hermy and Ginny and Harry (people is still asking 'who is ginny?'... they need to know her a bit more, don't they?) so that they can be ready for them when the ships sail
I really don't have too much time now... I gotta go home... I'm very hungry... and I want my bed! but at least I think I've contributted to this thread somehow... and I'll be back for more yay!
happy posting y'all and good night... or day... or whatever it is where you live...
--Claudia
Just the Droobles
Mar 12 2006, 04:56 AM
True, true, and true.
I do think that maybe Ron showed his feelings more because he didn't quite realize they were actually feelings. That doesn't seem like it makes a lot of sense, but it's one of tose things where you always like being around a particular person or your brain always wanders to them, but you really don't know why. I think that's what happened to Ron. Oh, bless him, he didn't even know he was in love!
And I think you are quite right about that movies. They didn't show the things that countered Harry/Hermione in the fourth one. They didn't show much of Rita Skeeter's scoop or anything between Harry or Ginny or anything. I thought they did do a good job at Ron/Hermione though. My dad hasn't read any of the books and he was like "Hey...*wink*" So I think some viewers might be seeing a bit f that.
I just can't wait for more!! WOO!
brown eyed girl
Mar 12 2006, 10:55 PM
aww. i love how ron was so confused about his feelings for hermione and how he didn't know they were actual feelings...and i agree about if someone had to die in the series, it'd probably be ron because it would affect them all greatly. but i doubt he'll die. and i hope he doesn't!
i don't think people should read into what they put into the movie about H/Hr to seriously. i mean, the ultimate ending is going to be the one in the books, so if H/Hr seem close in the movies, it means nothing because R/Hr are closer in the books. the producers probably just want to give all us R/Hr shippers something to talk about.
hooray for GoF coming out on DVD already!
can't wait til OoTP comes out! although it's supposed to come out in 2007! i dont think i can wait that long!
dansgal4eva
Mar 13 2006, 12:40 AM
I was just thinking, would you be annoyed if we don't actually get to see how ron and hermione get together in the seventh book. like who makes the first move how it happens ect. i think i would be annoyed if there was just hints of harry seeing ron and hermione holding hands..ect and no actual confirmation.
PigWithHair
Mar 13 2006, 05:10 AM
To say I would be annoyed would be a huge understatment. It's been six, almost seven books. We've certainly put in the time and we certainly deserve to witness them becoming a couple.
I mean THE moment and THE snog. And, I don't think JKR will disappoint us in that regard. We did see Harry and Ginny get together, though barely. But their ship was not covered anywhere near as much as Ron and Hermione's was, so yeah...we should see the moment.
I'm going to be more than frustrated and p'd off if I don't.
Just the Droobles
Mar 14 2006, 03:32 AM
I would be more than ticked off if it didn't happen! She's been teasing us with the romance we've all wanted and then if she didn't do it it would be so annoying! I'm pretty sure we can count on her though. She's a great writer and I'm sure she'll do a good job for us. I am SO Excited!!!
Do you think we'll actually get to see a snog, or do you think we'll just see a little peck on the lips or something? I don't really want them to do anything Ron and Lavender did, but I would at least like to see a little contact. Hopefully the book will help us out in that aspect.
And another thing: Ok, this is just for example...Ron and Hermione are already together. They are sitting around or whatever, and Harry is with them. Would you rather--
1 Ron and Hermione be left alone somewhere and leave it to the imagination (as in their relationship)
2 Harry be right in the room while they snog or cuddle or...whatever
Granted this is for the books, so...What I'm trying to say is if we are told they are definitely together, would you rather leave it to the imagination or see it first hand in all its awkwardness?
Sorry about the rambling...
smee
Mar 14 2006, 10:21 AM
I really don't know. I would be happy with either as long as they
finally get together. Leaving it to the imagination would probably suit the older readers (if ya know what I mean
) without making the book unsuitable for really small children who have it read to them. From there it just depends on how dirty your mind is!
Capricorn
Mar 14 2006, 06:48 PM
I would like a dialogue scene where it just leads up to a kiss or something. It would be too graphic for the books to describe in detail what happens- face it, Won Won and Lav Lav were not special or sexy.
Anyway, I love how imperfect people can grow to love each other.
I have a theory that explains why you love someone more for their faults than their virtues:
Say that there is a fixed amount of love a person can get for every characteristic they have. Think of containers for every value. Now values like friendliness, understanding, loyalty etc all induce a certain amount of 'automatic' love, if I can call it that, for you in someone -it's easy to love a nice person. So, to fill up the rest of the love-container for that specific value doesn't take much.
But a fault like grouchiness or 'being the most insensitive wart I (Hermione) ever had the misfortune to meet', induces less 'automatic' love. So to fill up that value's love-container would take much more of your own love willingly given.
If you then end up loving someone completely i.e. filling all their containers to the brim, you'll see that you have spent more of your own love on filling up their faults than filling up their virtues.
Hmmm, don't know if I explained that too good. It's just a silly way to explain this, but it works for me! So Ron and Hermione had to
learn to love each other because neither is so perfect that you can't help loving them
. But they are perfect humans for being imperfectly perfect for each other!
...
Just the Droobles
Mar 14 2006, 09:29 PM
My question was meant to be dirty like that...I was wondering whether you wanted to see all their interactions or just take wild guesses.
What you said Capricorn made enough sense to me! Ron and Hermione seem to like each other even though they have faults. And you say yes, if you love a person you have to love their faults. But that's the point isn't it??? They must like each other enough to look over the faults and see the true person inside.
I think I kind of strayed off what you were really trying to say, but I do understand and agree!
smee
Mar 14 2006, 09:37 PM
I understand Capricorn. I'm not going to try to explain it in my own words because I can't, I just...get it. Like when you know what a word means and how to use it but you can't explain it to someone else
But yeah, Ron and Hermione have grown to love not only each others good points but they crappy stuff as well, not that they'll admit it
eM_Bee
Mar 15 2006, 09:59 AM
I agree with capricorn. I think Hermione loves Ron because he has a good self trust, to counter all Hermione's opininions when they are bickering. Thats worthy in her mind and heart.
and Ron loves Her because, i dunno, maybe it just love at first sight,likes u see someone and knowing she/he is the right one to become u'r soulmate,but for Ron, he cann't explain this feeling to her.
for Just The Droobles, I think I want to look all their interactions, unexpectable like Harry kissed Ginny in the HBP.
Capricorn
Mar 15 2006, 02:44 PM
I'm not sure whether you meant dirty now or not, Droobles
, but even if it's not dirty per se, I would like Jo not to describe the kiss. I don't know, but with Harry it was an impulsive thing, because he didn't know how Ginny felt, so he didn't plan it or forsee it. So describing it was best somehow.
Ron and Hermine know. They just do, so it won't come as such a 'surprise' or be impulsive. It'll rather be a bit awkward because they are so used to just being friends, so the build-up to it would be very interesting and sweet.
Aaaawwww...
And remember, Harry is always the person through whose eyes we see everything. He might overhear them talking again and escape just in time, or walk in on them and then they break apart. But whatever JK decides to do, it should be tasteful and more emotional than physical.
Can't wait!
mxnhpfreak
Mar 15 2006, 05:33 PM
Capricorn, it did make sense... and you explained it very well. To be honest I couldn't have put that into words... I would have probably babble endlessly...
And of course I agree: they have learned to love each other from head to toes, they love each other's virtues and faults. I don't think Hermione could stand being without Ron's lack of sensitivity and he wouldn't make it without her bossing him around...
Just the Droobles, I think I would like to see it happening in a surprising way (not that it will surprise us... we have been waiting for it to happen since book one!), like... I don't know when they're bickering and suddenly one of them plants a kiss on the other's lips and they both are like: "what the --?"
lol... nah seriously I expect it to be something funny, but yet a bit sweet (not too sorny, please!) and I do want to see it, either they get together in front of Harry or he and Ginny spying on them... that's be nice
smee
Mar 15 2006, 09:22 PM
Argh! So many different ways it could happen and now I want them all(impossible I know); full detail; no detail; Harry walking in on them; Harry and Ginny spying on them (I think their reactions would be funny 'oh,
finally'. I thought on several occassions that the next book's going to need to be pretty big to fit in all the stuff I want to happen, not being selfish or anything
.
I agree that it'll probably be quite funny but sweet at the same time, there was a lot of humour connected to the ships in HBP although the more serious one (Harry/Ginny) was treated with a little more respect once they were together, if you know what I mean.
Miss Minerva Mcgonagall
Mar 16 2006, 07:38 PM
I agree,i definately want to see how it happens. Otherwise i would be really disappointed. We spend alot of our time contemplating how it will happen, and i think JK will surprise us with how it does! I have a question, who out of the two of them will break the stubborness and make the first move? Or will they get together at the end of book seven. I would also be annoyed if that happened! I think everyone is expecting it to happen at the start or at the wedding.
mxnhpfreak
Mar 16 2006, 09:17 PM
I think the wedding is fine, but I've been thinking that that's the place and the time for H/G and I don't think I'd like to have way too much romance in the same chapter.
Actually I'd like to think that it could happen after the fight or adventure to retrieve the first of the remaining Horcruxes. Maybe one of them will be very badly hurt or about to die somehow and then the other is like: "I have to say it before it's too late!"
Personally, I think probably Hermione will make a first move, but nothing like kiss him or that sort of things, I believe she will give him a huge sign, one that he can't ignore and then he will spill the beans and kiss her!
yay!
brown eyed girl
Mar 16 2006, 09:36 PM
i personally don't really care how they get together, as long as they do get together. hopefully we'll get to see them kiss, but if they do i hope it's a cute moment where maybe ron and hermione are talking (maybe on a balcony at the wedding, but as mxnhpfreak said, there might be too much romance in that chapter) and then all of a sudden theres a quiet moment where ron goes in for the kiss. but as long as they get together and kiss at least once, i'm happy.
Just the Droobles
Mar 17 2006, 01:40 AM
So exactly what evidence do we have that Ron and Hermione will get together? I know there is a lot, but I'm asking for the concrete stuff. Yeah, you're thinking, where has Droob been since 1998? They're all over the place! But other than the stuff that makes us go *squee* is there something that shows Ron choosing Hermione or Hermione choosing Ron?
I'll give an example that I found in an archived thread, and all credit goes to muggleview.
| QUOTE |
Christmas morning dawned, cold and white. Harry and Ron, the only ones left in their dormitory, were woken very early by Hermione, who burst in, fully dressed and carrying presents for them both.
“Wake up,” she said loudly, pulling back the curtains at the window.
“Hermione --- you’re not supposed to be in here ---“ said Ron, shielding his eyes against the light.
“Merry Christmas to you, too,” said Hermione, throwing him his present. “I’ve been up for nearly an hour, adding more lacewings to the potion. It’s ready.”
Harry sat up, suddenly wide awake.
“Are you sure?”
“Positive,” said Hermione, shifting Scabbers the rat so that she could sit down on the end of Ron’s four-poster. “If we’re going to do it, I say it should be tonight.” [COS p.211] |
muggleview said, and I completely agree with him, that this in a way shows how Hermione chose Ron over Harry. Maybe it is foreshadowing or something. I mean, she was talking to Harry, why didn't she sit with him? Are there any other things like this that may have been subtle or right in the open? If you're confused, I'll try to explain more if you'd like. I'm just trying to think of something to talk about.
HP-LOVER
Mar 18 2006, 12:51 AM
RON AND HERMIONE
are meant to be togethor!!!
Amyrat151
Mar 18 2006, 03:43 AM
Oh, god, it's been a million years, I've been busy with school stuff, but I'm gald to be back. I got into the college I want, and I'm just happy lately.
To dive in, is this just like first and second book stuff or what? Well anyway, I think it's interesting that in the conversation between Steven and JK on the CoS DVD that JK says that he does stuff that she doesn't till the 4th book, I kind of disagree with that. Ron has moments were he's clearly not ok with the attention that Hermione gives Lockheart. When he graps at her get well card Lockheart gave Hermione or when Ron asks her if she sent the DADA teacher a valentine, so to me that is already building a sub-concusion romantic relationship between them. One I beileve that Hermione doesn't relize till PoA, and Ron of course when he saw Hermione at the Yule Ball and was in a right state about it.
beekyk2001
Mar 18 2006, 04:05 AM
Very well said.
It's typical isn't it? That Hermione fancy's Ron first and then Ron fancy's Hermione last. There is nothing wrong with that of course it's just life.
PigWithHair
Mar 18 2006, 06:27 AM
Well, its true there has been foreshadowing since the very beginning I think.
While I hope they don't wait until the very end of the book to get together, because I really want to see them as a couple for a bit, I don't think it'll be at the wedding. Its too early in the book.
Someone else mentioned some tim e back, and I agree, that there will most likely be yet another misunderstanding or something else between them first. Not along the lines of what has already, happened, but whatever it is will be in the development of their eventual relationship romantically.
As far as first moves, I definitely see it being Ron.
Amyrat151
Mar 18 2006, 06:50 AM
I think it will be at the beginning, no more misunderstandings, they've been through 6 years of this bickering, will-they-won't-they, mind game crap. I think Ron and Hermione shippers have become to patiencent to see that the waiting is over with, "it's done" said the great, wise JK Rowling. They're together, this is it, it's done.
*Quidditch Princess*
Mar 18 2006, 07:36 AM
Yay, my favorite couple Hermione and Ron! They always fight like an old married couple, and if you like someone, there's no reason for you not to fight (I know, that came out weird). In GoF, Ron wanted to ask Hermione to the Yule ball, but he was nervous, at least I think, and she might havev said yes. And in HBP, she cries on Ron's shoulder, which is so cute!
R/Hr all the way!
Just the Droobles
Mar 18 2006, 10:13 PM
First moves...yeah, I can definitely see Ron being the one to make the first move. Hermione has always seemed pretty reserved in her emotions, and I just can't see her opening up, even after six years. Ron tried in the fourth book because he said he would've taken her to the Ball, but we all know how that turned out...
I also think that it may happen early in the book. My guess would be in the first 10 chapters, but not before chapter 5. They have to have some time to be a couple (going on the thought they will get together) before one of them dies or they go horcrux hunting or whatever. I don't know, I just want to see it happen.
smee
Mar 19 2006, 05:59 PM
I can't see it being a calm and calculated move by either of them. Their true fellings always show through best in times of pressure or when they're arguing so they'll be shouting at each other (as usual
) and one of them will slip up and tell the other their true feelings (I'm going for Hermione to do the slipping up), then they'll go completely silent, then Ron will kiss her! Yay! Or something like that anyway. Can you really see one of them going up to the other and out of the blue saying 'Let's get it on, I know you want to.' Hmmm, no.
Just the Droobles
Mar 19 2006, 06:42 PM
I do agree with you basically, smee. It may just end up where they are yelling at each other and then they blurt it out or whatever. That seems pretty probably don't you think? For some reason, I just can't imagine then like "making a speech" of whatever to say they like one another. I wonder how Harry will take that...
smee
Mar 21 2006, 09:17 AM
I don't think he'll be surprised. I also don't think he'll be upset or angry, I would have thought he'd be happy for them. Maybe they'll get together and be 'together' around him a lot and it will make him miss Ginny loads and that'll be the reason they get back together; just before everyone dies
.
I have recently been very distressed by evidence for H/Hr I've read in the Great Hall. It was so good that I no longer see R/Hr as a forgone conclusion. At this point I'm so disillusioned that I won't care if nobody gets together with anyone else.
*hermione*
Mar 21 2006, 01:44 PM
Oh, I think it would be too cute if one of them blurted it out by mistake... I don't know who though. I mean, Hermione said the "aske me before somebody else" thing in GoF in a moment of frustration, and then she stormed away. So she might get out of control again. And Ron... well, Ron is Ron, he's not always aware of what he's saying
lol. I can really see him blushing his head off though...
Just the Droobles
Mar 21 2006, 11:30 PM
| QUOTE |
| I have recently been very distressed by evidence for H/Hr I've read in the Great Hall. It was so good that I no longer see R/Hr as a forgone conclusion. At this point I'm so disillusioned that I won't care if nobody gets together with anyone else. |
Yes, though there is lots of good H/Hr stuff, you can't forget all the good things R/Hr has going for it. Since I only have books 4-6 sitting here with me, I'll try to point out some highlights.
pgs 121 and 122, American version, paperback, GoF
The trio are running away from the campsite, Ron yelps in pain, Hermione stops immediately and Harry runs into her. Clearly, she wasn't going any further until she found Ron. Harry, I'm sure cared too, but it was Hermione who reacted immediately. Then Malfoy continually insults Hermione, and Ron keeps trying to go beat him to a pulp. Harry makes no move at all. Either Ron doesn't want anyone insulting Hermione, or he just has a low tolerance for Malfoy. I think it's the former. Because that happens in more than one book. Ron has taken a particular interest in taking up for Hermione.
pg 400, GoF
Ron says Hermione can come to the Ball with him. Hermione says "I can't come with you," said Hermione, now blushing, "because I'm already going with someone." Well, Ginny blushed when Ron told her to go with Harry, and Hermione blushed when Ron suggested they go. Now, why would that embarrass Hermione? *wink* Parvati even immediately suggests Ron go with Hermione, and looks astonished when she hears Hermione's not going with him. Ron continues to want to know who she's going with, and he notices something as subtle as her teeth. Harry didn't notice it until after Ron pointed it out. And may I point out that Ron doesn't shut up about where Hermione is the whole time before the Yule Ball. Why does he care so much? And everyone knows about Ron sulking all through the Ball. Harry wasn't sulking. And can I quote what Harry says? (pg 423) "Ron," said Harry quietly, "I haven't got a problem with Hermione coming with Krum--" And I think we all know the rest of the Ball story.
They're all through that book really. Like when Hermione mentions Krum asking her to visit him, and Ron won't stop asking for details and what not. Harry still doesn't care.
Well, OotP is just so crazy, I couldn't find anything specific. But I do know that Hermione's Patronus is an otter, and knowing Ron lives in Ottery St. Catchpole, I think I can put two and two together.
Ah, book six, filled with tons of jealousy. Ron is snogging all about with Lavender and Hermione's jealousy couldn't be more apparent. And Ron didn't like it too much when he found out Hermione had snogged Krum. And not to mention Hermione looks the worst when they are in the hospital wing after Ron was poisoned. She also worried very much about him PoA when she heard Sirius almost stabbed him. She was in a fight with Ron when he was poisoned too, so... Hermione went into the hospital wing many times to visit him while he was sick, and Ron even asks Harry if she's going to stop by before a Quidditch match.
I will also note on page 449, American hardback, HBP, Hermione gladly helps Ron fix his essay instead of giving him one of her usual lectures or scowls. She's had a change of heart, and I think she was very kind to Ron. Not to mention every R/Hr shipper's favorite page is that one.
"I love you, Hermione," said Ron, sinking back in his chair, rubbing his eyes wearily.
Hermione turned faintly pink, but merely said, "Don't let Lavender hear you saying that."
Anyway, that's about it for that scene, but I think Ron and Hermione really matured in the last book. Maybe I'm the only one that sees that, but I think Ron really woke up in the last book. I think Ron and Hermione both appreciate each other a lot more.
One more thing: "Ron, he saw, was now holding Hermione and stroking her hair while she sobbed into his shoulder, tears dripping from the end of his own long nose."
As far as I can recall, Ron and Hermione had always been rather uncomfortable touching each other and acting sentimental. I think this clearly shows they have matured, and it really shows what's in store for them. Harry and Hermione could touch fine, because they are best friends and it really wasn't a problem. But Ron and Hermione had always been a bit shy. But now...ah...they grow up so fast!! *sniff*
PigWithHair
Mar 22 2006, 05:15 AM
Ah, yes those were some great moments. Let us not forget that while in the hospital wing, unconscious, Ron croaked out "Er-my-nee."
JKR has let us know that that definitely means Hermione and not "Oh, my knee" because elsewhere in the books Ron's mouth is full of food and he says "Er-my-nee" when calling Hermione and then in Umbridge's office in Book 5, while gagged when Hermione fakes that she is going to tell Umbridge Harry was trying to reach Sirius, again Ron, through his gag croaks "Er-my-nee!"
So we know exactly who he meant.
Hermione is very quiet after Ron is poisoned and obviously has been crying since she sounds as if she has a head cold once she does start talking.
Oh, hell...Accio Book 7!
smee
Mar 22 2006, 07:55 AM
Ah. Faith thoroughly restored. I'm reading Quidditch Through the Ages at the minute but as soon as I've finished I'm reading HBP again, then working my way backwards through the rest of the series. I'd read so much negative stuff about R/Hr (not to mention Ginny, poor girl) and the writing in general of HBP that I let it get to me. I love that book and I love R/Hr
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