Well, this is one of the most debated topics in the world. Is abortion wrong? What are your thoughts?

I think it's wrong. It's murdering a child.

oy, hard question.

for me, i think it depends on how old the fetus is.

but, it's also the parent's decision, since they made the child.

but, it is in fact killing an infant, even if it is half a foot (or smaller) long.

sorry, i really cant decide...but if i became pregnant and still in my teens, i wouldnt go through abortion. i couldn't bear knowing that i decided to kill something that i made, and that was living...

GAHH. sorry if i'm being hypocritical, but i'm still undecided.

First of all, PLEASE REMEMBER, these are just MY opinions.. & I'm not trying to offend anyone..

I think abortion is wrong, I don't care if it's a fetus!! It's still a living thing.. how do you know that this person growing inside of you would have grown up to find a cure for AIDS, or make an amazing discovery, or did something to change the world? You wouldn't, because you'd have never given it a chance to live.

I know it's a parents choice, because they made it.. but if you didn't want a baby, then use some form of birth control!

In my theology class (a religion class @ my school) one girl asked, "What if a girl was raped & she became pregnant wouldn't it be sensible to get an abortion because the child was made that way?".. Oh my gosh, I was so frustrated when she asked this.. this was my response.. "Well, I still think she SHOULD keep it, why? Because she also made that child, as painful as it may be to think about the way your child was conceived.. it's still yours, you were part of its creation.." I just think its wrong how, some people (SOME PEOPLE, NOT ALL) get an abortion JUST because they were stupid & got pregnant. It angers me, frustrates me, produces a RAGE inside of me.

I'm sorry, I just needed to blow off some steam about what I felt.. this is an issue I feel so strongly about.. you asked, I told. lol.

Note: I've wrote a poem about abortion.. if you wanna read it, just PM me or whatever, I'll send it to you.. also I would love to hear any of your poems, if you guys have any.

OH, one more thing to think about..

"What if your parents decided to get an abortion when they were expecting you?"

Sorry, didn't mean to double post.. its just that hit me.. like a minute ago.

this is a veri difficult topic.
personally, i would never go through with abortion. there are better ways than killing an infant. adoption. why not that? the baby is born, and they go to live in a happier life because you know that it wouldnt be possible in your life.
it is the parents decision, but maybe they should havae put more thought into it. like considering better protection.
in all, i think that the alternative should be putting your baby up for adoption if you ever get yourself into a situation like that. maybe you'll be leaving your child, but they get the chance to find you, and you are not killing an innocent child.

I agree, I would never ever have an abortion...no matter how old I was. And like TashluvsDan mentioned, what if your parents wanted to get an abortion when they were expecting you? It doesn't amtter how you put it, you're killing a living person and that is just wrong. If I was expecting a child at the age I am right now, I wouldn't get an abortion (although I probably would think of it), I would just put my baby up for adoption after I gave birth. Abortion...to me, is a terrible thing to do.

I think it's wrong, you are killing a living thing.
Imagine if your parents had decided to kill you?
The universal declaration of Human Rights says:
Article 2.
Everyone is entitled to all the rights and freedoms set forth in this Declaration, without distinction of any kind, such as race, colour, sex, language, religion, political or other opinion, national or social origin, property, birth or other status. Furthermore, no distinction shall be made on the basis of the political, jurisdictional or international status of the country or territory to which a person belongs, whether it be independent, trust, non-self-governing or under any other limitation of sovereignty.
Article 3.
Everyone has the right to life, liberty and security of person.

I'm don't want to give my opinion on such an extremely emotive subject, but I would just like to throw a few points into the debate to be considered.

I'm 27, so I'm probably older than most of you reading this topic. When I was in my teenage years, there was nothing I would have liked more than to have discovered I was pregnant. The thought of holding a tiny, beautiful little baby in my arms, a life that I had helped create, was like some wonderful dream. Dressing it up, feeding it, having everyone say how beautiful it was as you push a pram around town.....

But life's not like that. Babies grow up. They need far more than just love. They need financial support, they need emotional support, they need food and clothes and books and toys....eventually they'll want to go to college or get a car....they might make decisions that cause their parents untold agonies because from the benefit of their experience, they can see that their children are making mistakes, but they also have to give them the freedom to be who they want to be....Parenting is about so much more than just having a baby.

Unless anyone has been faced with this decision themselves, I don't think anyone can really, truly understand the full range of issues that go with such a far reaching, emotional subject.

Giving a child up for adoption is one of the very hardest things that anyone could possibly do. It is so easy to say that 'I couldn't destroy a life' and 'I'd give it up for adoption first' - Once that baby is in your arms, there's not a single person on the planet who would not feel as though their heart was being ripped out of their chest to see that baby taken away from them the second it's been born. The psychological implications for the mother/father/family could be incomprehensible. What if the mother, so tortured by what she has done, commits suicide? What if she dies during the birth? Is one life worth the sacrifice of another?

As for the product of a rape - what if when that baby was born, you found that it looked like the rapist? Every single day, having to look at something that reminds you of what would quite possibly be the worst experience in your life? What if you could never truly love that child after all, even though you think you could (Let's not forget the influence of hormones affecting judgement during pregnancy). What if that child grew up never experiencing the real love that every child deserves? What if it is neglected? Pushed away? Treated with coldness and emotional detatchment?

Or what if a woman discovers she is pregnant even though she or her husband have been sterilised (because it don't always work, you know ) or even though they were doing everything humanly possible to use contraception? Because accidents happen all the time. Would it be fair to bring a child into the world that will suffer because firstly, the parents never really wanted it in the first place? Or if that child would grow up facing severe poverty issues because the parents couldn't afford it? Or worse still, what if the parents told the child whenever it was naughty that they had never really wanted it in the first place? Couldn't that lead to mental and physical abuse?

Is it cruel to bring an unwanted, unloved child into the world? Is it better to put your own health and sanity at risk by protecting the sanctity of life and giving up that child for adoption, or even keeping it after all? Or is the greater cruelty destroying that life before it has ever had a chance?

There are so many terrible, horrendous, wide-reaching implications of such a decision and not just for the mother, but the father and both of their families too. It would be wonderful if such a decision was as clear cut as deciding simply what would be right and what would be wrong. I think we all have a pretty good idea of what would be right. But the world is not a simple place and these are not simple, clear cut issues. There are many factors to be taken into consideration and ultimately I think it comes down to a matter of what an individual can live with themselves.

I was raised in a very anti-abortion household when I was a kid, but with that and christianity, I kinda rebelled...
Just over a year back, just before my 20th birthday, my period was late, and I told my boyfriend not to worry....If I did turn out to be pregnant, I'd get rid of it, everything would be fine and back to normal....but when I took the pregnancy test, and it came out positive, there was no doubt in my mind, that I had to keep it. I was carying a tiny little beginning of life inside me, and now it was my responsibility to carry through. And my boyfriend was shocked when I told him my decision, because of the people we were...
See, at the time, we were the LAST people anyone would have picked to be parents. We were living in his parents' attic room, unemployed, he was up to the eyeballs in debt, quite habitually stoned, constantly playing heavy metal at highly unsocial volumes, in the last place we'd lived in, we'd burnt the garden shed down...you get the picture, we were hardly responsible and well-respected people.
But as soon as I'd said I was keeping the baby, he went out and got a job. It wasn't a very good job but it was a start. Every so often, he'd ask me if I was sure about keeping it. And I said yes, and he fretted and worried and was generaly stressed about it...But my being pregnant was what spurred him on to actually do something with his life...
Now, we've both just turned 21, and we have a beautiful baby girl, who is not only the apple of my eye, my boyfriend loves her more than life itself. My boyfriend now works for a bank, and pulls in a good wage, we live in a very nice house in a pleasant area, and, everything's good.

My point is...sometimes, it maybe seems to me that abortion is just a way of running away from responsibility, which sometimes will actually turn out for the best. I mean, as well as how Ian and I were dreadfully irresponsible people, we'd been living together for 5 months and never used any precautions, it was, essentially, our own fault. But we were always all *it'll never happen to us* and when it did, we had to deal with it, and it turned out to be the best thing that happened to us...

I believe in some cases, abortion is acceptable. For health reasons, if a girl is raped and falls pregnant from that...various other things, I'm not much of an ethicist, but I do think it's wrong and abused for just *Oh, I'm pregnant, but i don't WANT a baby...*...I also feel it can really f**k with people's heads...all the wondering What If? and guilt and so on....I think that can't be a good thing...

Oh whatever, that's my take on the subject...

Well, this is quite nice, to finally have a lot of people on my side. Dana_Scully, you just seem to be determined to be against me on all aspects.

Dana, you say that what if a girl is raped, and the baby turns out to look like the rapest. You say that the child would never be loved. I'm sorry, but that is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. The mother can put the child up for adoption. No woman is going to commit suicide because she gives up her child. A true mother would be glad that her child will be able to live in a normal home, with parents who love her.

Then there's the retort that what is the foster parents are abusive? The key words there are 'what if'. Would you rather kill a person because there was a CHANCE that the child wouldn't have a good life?

In my eyes, no one should have say over another's life. You have no right. If a mother is going to die giving birth, then it is her time to go. If you get an abortion it is NOT the childs time to go. You cannot make that judgment. If a child is not supposed to be born, it won't be; God will make sure of that.

Many people say that it is a woman's choice. No. That's like saying a woman can kill her own child. What if, when you were 5 years old, your mother decided she didn't want you? It's like saying your mother could just kill you right there, on the spot.

Teenage girls who get pregnant and want an abortion are just plain... wrong! It's their own darn fault! People need to be accountable for their actions!

I'm sick and tired of people that try to justify evil. It makes me want to smash the computer in rage when I read it. I'm sorry to have to be so harsh, but people need to start changing their lives!

Morsmordre, it seems to me that you've just come to this board to stand on a soapbox against abortion and homosexuality.

This particular forum is called Just Get Away From Life. Not, Lets Debate A Lot of Tricky Issues. Not only that, but you seem to have come in with a bunch of issues, and if anyone seems to oppose your opinions, you just say *No, you're wrong, _ _ _ _ is EVIL AND WRONG*, seemingly with a view to undermine and....yeah.
People have put their opinions on the subjects you've raised very well, and yet you just say *No, I don't care what you say. It's wrong. I say so. HA.* And personally, I don't think that's very......nice. *shrugs, I'm not good with words*
If you approach an issue, you must be prepared to be open and listen to what other people have to say, not just closed-minded. If you want for everyone to say *Yes, abortion is evil whatever the reason, and it's sick and wrong to be gay* then go talk on some right-wing christian board and everyone will say PRAISE THE LORD. If you want intelligant answers, fine, you have them here, but you simply trample over them and don't accept that your view is not actualy the only one, just because it's what you believe doesn't actually make it right in the eyes of everyone. You're not *enlightening* anyone here.

In regards to this particular post, I have a feeling I'm the only person who's gone through having to make that choice, I may be wrong, but I think I'm the only person here who's actually had a baby. I chose to keep it, and as I've stated, I think if it just *happens*, responsibility shoukd be taken for the child.

HOWEVER. In regards to a child concieved through rape. Have you ever been raped? Do you have ANY IDEA how.....how much that really F***S UP YOUR LIFE? How much it f***s with your mind??? Can you even BEGIN to imagine, if after all that, you were expected to carry this by-product of this evil, disgusting, degrading act for nine months, nurturing and sharing everything in your body, with something that came from such an utterly soul-destroying thing? Even if you knew that if you weren't gonna keep the baby, you'd put it up for adoption? It's just a course to a lifetime of suffering...it's not easy to give up a child. For the rest of her life, that girl will be thinking about the child she gave away, wondering what had heppened to it, even though it symbolized such a terrible thing, it's still now HER CHILD, that she went through all that to bring into the world. It's...it's....HOW THE HELL can you put YOUR thoretical, black-and-white views on how much further a girl's life has to be ruined???
Are you going to say that a girl who's raped brought it on herself? That her clothes were too slutty? That she slept around anyway so it doesn't count? That she knew the person who raped her, they just got carried away, so that's okay? You have NO IDEA how much of an ordeal rape is, you have NO IDEA how hard pregnancy is, even when the child was concieved in love, you have NO IDEA how hard childbirth is, and all this following being raped. I don't know, if it was me, I think it would destroy me.

I'm.....really angry now, so I think I'm going to go for a while....

Okay...I made up my mind that I wasn't going to respond to this topic - or the religious/homosexual discussions - anymore, but I don't think anything I've ever read on the internet has incensed me more than your last post, Morsmordre, and I can't let it slip by without at least an acknowledgement.

Incidentally, if you had really read the post, you would see that my position on this particular subject is 'on the fence', for want of a better term, and what I actually did was suggest some possible scenarios that may make the decision not so clear-cut as simply an issue of what is right or wrong. I believe, actually, that I stated 'I think we all know what would be right', meaning that I think we all know it is wrong to take life.

I am afraid that I must refuse to debate this or any other topic further with someone who obviously has no concept whatsoever of the severe physical, emotional and psychological consequences of ALL the extremely sensitive issues that they are raising, or the maturity to accept and discuss other peoples opinions without resorting to casually dismissing ideas or thoughts as 'dumb'.

Everything that Nivaya said, I echo 110%, particularly the part which questions your motives behind coming to this forum.

Now, I have no desire to get myself banned for arguing with my fellow members, because I actually really enjoy it here, so I'm going to leave this particular thread now.....

Perhaps we'll meet elsewhere on the forum where we can exchange some slightly less controversial ideas on the Harry Potter books, which is, after all, the reason I think we're all here.

The only way i would ever get an abortion is if I got pregnant by rape. And I'd get it done early...like right after I found out that I was pregnant. But there is no other possible way that I would get one.

i think abortion is ultimatly wrong.
its killing an infant no matter HOW old the fetus is.
there are better ways to deal with getting rid of your child. the best i tihnk (other than keeping it of course) would be adoption. sure some people may think of it as abandonment, but if your not in the best situation and you are not able to care for the child i think its definatly ok. in all, i think it is really completly up to the parents, and adoption is the best way out.

i have to admit. i came to this topic close-minded about abortion. thinking it was wrong, whether you've been raped or whether you didnt take responsibility.
after reading what Dana_Scully and Navaya had to say, my views have changed.
Navaya, i have a lot of respect for you and your boyfriend. you found out you were having a baby, and you got your act together, got jobs and what-not, so that you could provide your baby girl with the best life possible.
Dana_scully, with your veiws and opinions, i have changed my mind.
it got me thinking, if you were raped, what if you recieved a STD from it? if you carry the baby, when it passes through the birth canal, it can recieve the STD too. this will give them a life where people are afraid of them, and they have to take so much medication and take so many precautions. its much too hard for a child to go through.
if you cant provide a healthy life for your child. then abortion could be just the right thing. if you know, that when the child is born, that you will not have money to support it, a loving family behind you to help, and a shelter for the baby, then your options are better as abortion or adoption.
but if the child, when they find out they have been adopted, feel like they werent loved, that there was something wrong with them that made you want to give them up, it could be hard for them.
abortion has its pro's and con's. and i dont think that someone who has never had to go through it could really know what its like.
those of us that dont know how it feels to become pregnant and be faced with that option, shouldnt be so close-minded, and should be open to hear others opinions, because i know that after reading others thoughts, my opinions did change.

I CAN'T BELIEVE THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Changing your mind, huh? Would you rather have a baby die before it even has a chance to live? would you rather it sin't even given a choice of anything. It is not up to a woman to decide who dies and who doesn't! If a child is born with an STD, that is just their trial in life! You can't decide what is good or bad for the baby. Like I said before, if the baby is supposed to die, it will die on its own.

yes, i changed my mind.
i still would never do it. but i cannot speak for the world. i am one person. and if someone i know does have an abortion then thats their decision and im not going to force them to stop.

i do think that ultimately it is wrong. i would never be able to do it. the only circumstance where i think it would be acceptable is if you were raped. then i think it is acceptable. how could you ever love something that was fathered by someone you would despise for the mental anguish they had brought on you. if you were raped, its not like you were irresponsible and should have to take on the responsibility because it wasn't you who got you in the situation in the first place. thats just my opinion, but luckily i havent come across this obstacle yet. but i do believe that everyone has the right to live, and abortions take away the basic human right to live.

I think that even people that are raped should go through with th birth. There is still the choice of adoption. Just because a woman is raped, doesn't mean that that child doesn't have the right to live. Personally, I don't think that someone else's life should be decided by anyone else. Plus, everyone has trials in life. Abortion is just a way of running away from the trial.

but how would you feel if you found out that you were made because your father raped your mother?

I would feel horrible, but that doesn't matter. I know a woman who is the child resulting from a rape. She has made her life a success. She is a councilor for teens with drug and sex issues. She helps many people and it doesn't make a difference that she was the result of a rape. You should never get an abortion, because the child has a potential that you will never know until it grows up.

i just think that if you are raped you really do have the right to keep your child or not. im pretty sure id keep it anyway= i could never kill my own child- but other people in different circumstances have the right to choose for themselves.

i would have to say its morally wrong

for me it depends:

abortion has it's ups and downs

if you're a teen and you got pregnant it's there decsion
if you're an older woman and you don't want it it's there decsion...

i think it's wrong in one wyand right in another
my mother had an abortions ....so i no what's it like
to today my mother regrets doing that!!

so it's there if they want to use it again it's there decsion

am a bad speller sry.....

I'm 100% against it! The babies can feel pain after I think the 12th week of pregnancy! And if the woman doesn't want a baby then she should have used protection and if the thing broke then she should give the baby up for adoption.
The only time I think it's okay to get one id if the woman was raped, incest, or it was a serious health risk to have a child. Other than that I think it is wrong.

yeh i agree with lucius malfoy

That is so bad!!! You can not kill a child!, and like LuciusMalfoy said, the only tie you can do that is when you have been raped!, but also you can give him/her in adoption, that could be better, ´cause any child can be a huge oppotunity for the world, and can make a lot of good things in the workd and for humanity!!
So everybody against abortion!!

I agree, abortion is wrong! Even if a girl is raped she should at least have the baby and give it up for adoption. Its is a living being and to abort it would be like killing a person.
You know what is cool, i sent a letter about this subject to the President of the U.S for school last year...and just this summer i got a letter back from his personal assistant Heidi Marquez. Cool huh!

i think abortion is there for anyone who needs it....
imagine if youre a teen and you get pregnanut......you might wanna have an abortion.....

Yes, but if you get pregnent as a teenager that is your fault! You got yourself into that mess so you should show responsibility. And is you are a teen that is raped at least have the kid. Its a human being and if you dont want it you should give it up for adoption but dont kill it!

omg! this is another thing we disagree with....
just imagine if you were a girl who got preganat would you keep it.....or would you abort it.....i agree it's wrong......but it's there if a person wants to use it....it's there lives not yours the descion they make influences their lives not ours......

If i got raped i would keep the baby! It is a part of me and even though it would be part of the terrible person it would still be a human being and i could give it up for adoption! Out of your belly or not your child would be a human and it would be so wrong to kill it. That decision of death should not be up to us, it should be up to god. He created us so he should be able to decide when it is our time to come back to him.
I know that if i was to be raped i would be terribly dramatized...but i would still want this living human being to have a chance at life..its not fault it is the cause of rape! If should be able to experience life!

i would probably have an abortion if i was raped, but under no other circumstances. i think it would be terrible for the child to find out that its father was rapist.

Well it really does dempend on curcumstances (in my opinion). For example, it would be nearly impossible for me to give this helpless life that I helped put into this world (whether voluntary or not) and give up to someone else (in other words, put it up for adoption) It would also be completly impossible for me or my mother to give it the life, attention, and care it deserves (and even if my mother could care for the child, I would feel horrible not contributing in anyway money wise and all). Another example, at my old middle school a couple of years ahead of me (maybe 2 or 3) there was a girl, no older than 13 who had a baby by herself, I obvisiously don't know any details, sonce I never knew her personally or anything, but from what I know she hasn't been in school since. Curcumstances. beliefs and albities play a huge part in this.

Yea it really depends on the situation. I think it's really their decision. Not that I like the idea of killing a baby but if you are sexually assaulted and you get pregnant it's not your fault. And if you wait more then three days you can't get the morning after pill so you're stuck. The only other thing is abortion. Now if you're like so many months pregnant thats wrong but if it's right away it better. It really depends on the circumstance.

Yes,...but to me it would always be like killing...i would feel like a murderer even if it was right away that i had the abortion...i would always feel so guilty....to me that is murder....i do know that for ppl it would be hard to decide....but in my opinion abortion is just sooooooooooooooo wrong! That is my opinion, and i could go on for ever just talking about that. But i know that we all have different opinions and i respect that. SO if anyone here felt disrespected by me in any way at all please let me know. And i am sorry if i did. But my opinion is that abortion is 100 percent murder. That is the way i have always felt and that is the way i will always feel.

I don't believe in it mainly because it's not the child's fault that it was made, it's the parents fault. I don't think anyone's life should be taken away just because someone else made a mistake.

yeah, well think about this: what if its not your fault? what if you were not irresponsible? what if, somehow and it is possible isn't this, to get pregnant by not having sex? that is possible, isn't it? i think so. if not, please pm me, i'd like to know for certain. i don't know. i think abortion is ok, i mean, as long as you're not getting one, like, a monthe before you're due (is that possible, too?). abortion does have it's ups and downs. of corse

I think its wrong. If it wasn't your fault then you could always put it up for adoption. Which one was for abortion? Kerry or Bush

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Kerry is NOT FOR ABORTION. he is pro-choice. He believse it is the mothers choice. That is different from supporting abortion.

I am totaly agiasnt it. I can understand ONE TIME when MAYBE it should be allowed. If the mothers life was endangered. Even then i though a TRUE mother and a loving mother would go through and let the child live. I dont agree with that but it is a balance between "does she already have kids and a family" and "just how important is this human".

One thing about rape. Very few people are just snathced off the road and raped. Many people put themselves in a position to be raped. They may not have had a chaoice in conception but they did put themselves in a position to be raped.

Imagine you are a child living your life when you find out that BOTH your parents had an abortion while they are alays telling you not to do this. I could never imagine having that happen to me. Could you? What about having this half-sister or half-brother. You still have blood ties to them. But they are dead. They never lived. What if they had cured AIDS? You never know.

I could never imagine making a girl that i made pregnat get an abortion. It is just so wrong. No matter what. I know we are invloving reliogion when we say this but even these unborns have a soul. Animals dont have a soul yet htese unborns do. Why are they killed. It is so appaling.

I have another issuae with stem cell research but i dont have time right now to say anything about it.

I hope you undestood it all because i am horrible at English and spelling....it never was my subject.

I believe that people should have the choice although if you have an abortion then it should be as a means of a last resort, not as a means of birth control.
As for raping you are being raped when you say no but it happens anyways. The person could be a boyfriend or a complete stranger, it doesn't matter its still rape if you say no. Also most rapes aren't just being raped in a dark alley or anything. In most cases you would be raped by someone you know (your neighbor, the father of the kids you babysit, the gardener, etc.) Both men and women can be raped. There is no excuse for raping someone and no one asks for a rape (then it isn't a rape)
Like I said, abortion shoule be up to the mother/family. Each case is different and each person is different, but abortion should never in my opinion be used as a means of birth control, only as a last resort.

i think it's wrong and it's just like murdering someone, but if the case is serious like a rape, i think it's ok to use abortion, but ONLY IF YOU HAVE TO, but if u do get the baby, but it turns out you don't want it,.. i think u should give birth to it and then give it to someone to adopt...

did you know that there are 4,000 unborns killed PER DAY in the USA ALONE. Think about all the things that they could have invented. All the cures that could have helped people. Even in rape cases think about what that baby might have done for the world.



on Stem Cell research -
why would we need to create this babies and kill them right away just for research. WOuld it not be better if perhaps we let 4,000 people live every day. Surly one of them might have the answer to Alzhimers and AIDS and cancer.



Let them live

either way you will wind up living with wonder/regret.
If you have an abortion you will always wonder "what if this child had lived? Would the world be any better? Would it be any worse?" i
If you put it up for adoption you will wonder about what he/she thinks of you, who they are, what they are like, what they look like, what their life is like.
If you raise it yourself you will wonder what would my life be like if I had an abortion or put this child up for adoption? Would I have (in the case of teenage mothers, this does not always happen) gotten married? Quit school? etc.

If you are ever in this situtation my advice is stick to your beliefs and your gut and be prepared for the what ifs that follow.

well, i personally dont like the idea of abortion. but what if someone gets raped or something, and they arent ready to have babies? then i think it would be ok.

even under rape i dont think it should happen. Just think about it. 4,000 babies are aborted per day in the United States alone. Does that not strick you as high. The world is over populated but still. So many people just killed before they get to be born.

i agree that it isnt right that soo many babies are being killed but some people are obligated to do what they think will be best for them and for the baby.