Okay, after the second time i read the book, i realized that each of the doors in the circular room are each a separate mystery. Like the room that lead to all of the prophecies and had all the clocks and the time turners... that is the room for the mystery of time. (prophecies being the future) the room with the veil is the room for the mystery of death. and the room with the brains is the mystery of knowledge (perhaps). So, i was thinking about the room that they couldnt open even with sirius's knife. At the end of the book, dumbledore said that what saved harry from dying the first time (or what will save him now?) is in the department of mysteries. but in the 4th book i think, he also tells harry that the reason he lived was because his mother died FOR him, and he has her love in him. so, her love saved him. so maybe that room that they cant open is for the mystery of love?

comment back and discuss if you think this theory is right, or come up with other possible mysteries of the other rooms. there are 12 rooms.

The theory that the room that's locked is full of love has been discussed over and over again. Mainly that's because that's all we can think of when it comes to what Harry has that Voldemort doesn't. Obviously the Ministry are experimenting with everything that has a purpose, prophecys, time, memories, things that actually mean something to living beings. So saying that the other rooms might contain mans worst fears, or strange phenomena that only magic can withstand. There are soo many posibilities that I wont continue until someone else has a say.

It's could be.

Time Death Knowledge Love

This is stupid but this is also Harry's live.

Love - Time - Knowledge - Death
Could it mean that..Harry might die?

I mean he've been saved by love, he had to wait a long time.He went to Hogwarts to learn.. and then he'll die?

Ok that's stupid :wink:

or how about he was saved by LOVE from DEATH and he has to wait a long TIME to get out of hogwarts with the KNOWLEDGE to destroy voldermort anythoughts on what I just sed

I like yours better

@@siriusblack@@ I think that's the first smart thing you've said. I agree with your post. It could mean exactly that!

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or how about he was saved by LOVE from DEATH and he has to wait a long TIME to get out of hogwarts with the KNOWLEDGE to destroy voldermort anythoughts on what I just sed

i totally agree with that!

Yes. Very good thinking. It would totally make sense.

wow, good point about the different doors.

[size=9]Wonderful point. Jo Rowling herself might probably be impressed by it. Thanks for not saying that Harry will die!

Well, I agree with everyone else. Good job @@Siriusblack@@!

But, moonlight, don't you think that Harry's death at the end of the story would be a good twist?

Comments are welcome!

Those things in sequence could describe most anyone's life, and we don't know what's behind the other 8 doors. Perhaps the door we assume hides the room of love, really is the entrance to a room filled with hate? That's as terrible a power as love. (Terrible as in great)

Plus, since Sirius gave Harry the knife, which melted when Harry used it to try to open the door was kind of odd. Sirius gave Harry that knife out of love kinda right?...

that is a really good theory.
one door could leave to love, while another to hate. or there could be NO door to love, and one only to hate.

While re-reading Ootp the other day, I realised that every room in the DoM has a significance.
The moving wall/doors---------» Orientation
The room with the brains------» Intelligence
The room with the jar bell-----» Time
The locked room---------------» Love
the room with planets----------» I still haven't found out what it would mean
The room with prophecies------» Foreseeing...???
The archway/veil--------------------------» Death

What do guys think about this?

That makes sense to me. It's my thoughts that the DoM are investigating and - trying to - expand upon the main mysteries of life, which are really what you mentioned.

The veil, in my opinion, is the pathway to death, the afterlife. My theory is that by passing through the individual must die to continue into the life after death. The unspeakables must be using it to determine the mystery that is death, and what happens during and after it.

The locked room is most likely love, the most powerful force and emotion - and almost totally mysteries (what drives love, why does it make us do the things we do?) on earth. Love has the power to make people do stupid, dangerous, courageous things, so maybe in this room is a manifestation of love. A being of such power, it can melt a knife.

The room with the jar and clocks is the experimentation room for the great leveller, the mystery that is time. Time would also tie in with the death room, for in the end it eventually time that ends us.

I agree with you, there must be loads of other mysteries that were studied in other rooms in the DoM.
I just thought that maybe the room with the planets would mean Creation? It would make sense if it was...
I really don't know about this one...

Great theories here!!! Quite interesting. I agree with you!!!

Couldn't the room with the planets mean the universe? I mean, nobody knows whats beyond it....

I agree with a lot of people about how each room is for a certain study like the veil is used to steady death and so on. I would think they would study of stuff... more magical I guess. Such as spells or how to block some spells and stuff involving potions. I want to know how Dumbledore knows that behind that door is love. That whole thing is confusing...

These are all interesting. I agree with everyone! lol.

Rather interesting idea... Room with planets? May be, it's Eternity?

i agree with you all. i think J.K. R. did that to prove if we're "real Harry Potter fans". what do you think?

Room w/ Planets hmmm.....
I wish I could reread that part! (don't have my books here @ school )
Maybe they are trying to figure out a ..guide?.. to the future , how the different parts that make up the universe influence each other. Perhaps they were inspired by the centaurs-- they watch the heavens and the relationships between the parts to see what will happen in the present and future, right?
Also-- I think the door that is locked contains love-- but there really is a fine line between love and hate. something to think about.... *furrows brow* this is gonna take some organization of my thoughts..
In the mean time -- what do you think?

I first thought that maybe the room with the planets is Mystery. But I like Morag's idea of Eternity much better. And I agree with Alohomora about the fine line between love and hate.

I like the idea about the door spinny room thingy to be Orientation, you know, choosing your own path and that...yup

nice theory. i agree with it.

Does anyone think there's any significance to the fact that Luna blew up Pluto in the Department of Mysteries battle? I know based on what the centaurs said in "Sorcerer's Stone" that Mars is the "bringer of battle," but I don't really know that much about astrology beyond that. Is there any particular significance of Pluto that could possibly emerge in the coming books?

I agree that the planet room could represent eternity, but I'm not so sure that the locked room contains love. J.K. Rowling has never set up anything that predictable before, so even though it seems very logical based on all of the little talks Dumbledore has had with Harry over the years, I'm still slightly wary... (I have no idea what could be behind the locked door besides love, however, so my thought that it isn't love stands on very weak foundations. If anyone has any ideas on this subject, please share!)

For Anthony Goldstein:

PLUTO:
represents regeneration and rebirth
it rules death, destruction, coercion, crime, obsession with power, secrets, and that which is undercover.
Pluto was the god of the Underworld
(I LOVE google!)

hmm sound familiar? Maybe Luna will help Harry defeat Lord Voldemort?

Speaking of which, I have decided what I meant in my previous comment:

I think that perhaps the room contains love, but again there is a fine line between love and hate-- so it is possible that the room contains both, kind of the precursor to love and then hate. So, that room would be the best place for the final showdown between Voldemort and Harry because it would be the most level playing field. Voldemort is hate, Harry is love -- to be fair and see who REALLY triumphs over whom, both must be present.

Any thoughts?

NOV 1st is Lupin Day!!

Thanks, Alohomora! Although I think the knowledge of what Pluto represents in astrology has created more questions than it answered for me...

If Pluto represents "regeneration and rebirth" and it has been destroyed, that sounds almost as though there is no longer possibility for rebirth. That's a sort of depressing idea, not to mention the fact that it goes against the basic premises of the books... However, if "death, destruction, coercion, crime, obsession with power, secrets, and that which is undercover" have successfully been destroyed in the Department of Mysteries battle, that would almost definitely have positive implications for Harry and friends. (It is almost definitely impossible that Luna destroyed all the evils of the world in the Department of Mysteries, however -- this would be a very simplistic solution to all of Harry's problems.) The only thing that I think we can safely determine from this information is that Luna will be involved in the final defeat of Voldemort.

Alohomora, your arguments in favor of the locked room containing both love and hate make a lot of sense, and I am positive that this room will reemerge sometime in the series (most likely book 7, as you say, for the final battle).

cool topic, dude! I never thought bout it and if you ddn't posted it maybe i would have lived all my life without nothin such an interesting thing...but you have diferent points of view... for you means, for example, the room with the veil: death, but I'm not sure if JKR was thinkin bout it while writting...when do u started thinkin bout it? holidays? or weekends? how dd yuor idea started?

According to The Sorcerer's Companion, "Pluto, the farthest planet from the sun, represents obsession, the unconscious mind, and the ability to transform one's life. Pluto was the Roman equivalent of Hades, Greek god of the underworld."

If Luna destroyed "obsession, the unconscious mind, and the ability to transform one's life," Harry's in a bit of trouble. I think that it is partially because of his obsessions in reference to helping others and destroying Voldemort that he is able to work so hard in order to do these things. As for his unconscious mind, well, destroying this might be helpful for Harry when he is trying to do Occlumency...The ability to transform his life is really what is important here. Killing Voldemort certainly would transform Harry's life drastically, but if Luna blew that up...things aren't looking good. However, the deletion of Pluto could have an entirely different meaning...any ideas?

I think Luna has to serve an important part in the outcome of the books because she is a new character which has her own chapter, however I think that defeating Voldemort is something that Harry Has to entirely on his own which is perhaps why he is nearly always (bar the last book) is on his own at the end of each book. Maybe through Luna Harry will learn more about death and the veil.

The signifcance of each room is perhaps things that Harry and every wizard has to deal with, the lock room is perhaps an indicator of something Harry and co have yet to face in life but do not ask me what!!!!!

i think the room with the planets maybe...the unspeakables must use that room to help with astrological prophecies (which links back to the colomns and colomns of glass ball prophecies) or maybe as another person said for eternity possibly i'm not sure maybe even as a link to wizards on other planets( remember these are just theories people )
i also think evryone here has a fair nuff points so good for them (not in a bad way though)
lol

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miss snape has given me an idea as to the locked room
maybe you can only enter it if you have expirienced something associated with each of the rooms
maybe if you have loved...if you have lost someone close to you (the death veil in other wordds) and with the death veil room, if u have had a near death expirience!!!

Hmm maybe the locked door is human emotion and the brain room is human thought/memory...?
the universe thing really made me think... does being a Mage mean sacrificing technology entirely.(like spaceships w00t ) ..? i guess not but still; my Muggle mind finds the whole magi universe a sort of isolated anachronism - i guess they do use the Hogwarts express, which is ...technology....kinda....

I think the room with the planets certainly has something to do with prophecies or the future. rmember that in divination, both firenze and trelawney aggree that the future and the planets have a link. but it can also be that the room of the planet is to study the mystery of you know the big bang, how the universe came to be and all, its a great mystery, i mean not like love and death, which are deep and complex, but like ...well i don't know. As for the other rooms i think all of you are right.
anyway, i wished we'd known more about the department of mysteries

Great theries guys (and girls). Ive always thought the people who worked in the DoM were sort of philosiphers (like plato) all of your thought with "the meaning of life" make me think that even more

Why did'nt Harry go and go back in time to save Sirius????

search a search engine (or the search option up the top of this page ) for the word Paradox...

Although I quite agree that as in PoA JKR had no trouble in going back in time to save Sirius before.

It does seem daft that in PoA you can save a life or two, and in OotP you can't.


Edit: Maybe this is "Time" correcting mistakes in the timeline, and so Buckbeak will be the next on death's list? Final Destination anyone?

That´s a good point, dazzo31. But I also believe that since time in HP´s universe seems to be cyclic saving Sirius was a thing meant to be in that universe and that´s repeating itself over and over again.

THE DEPARTMENT OF MYSTERIES:

Someone else on here came up with the idea that each door in the circular room of the Department of Mysteries is a door which leads to a particular mystery (hence the name). Which I thought to be true too
we either saw or heard what was in some of the doors

Mystery of Time: The door that Harry and the gang went through with the clocks, time turners, and the bell (which changed the one death eaters head into a baby and back to normal again and again) and which also lead into the room where all the prophecies where, I think could also be known as the door into the Mystery of Time. I think just seeing all the things that where through that door make it obvious that this where the Unspeakables study the mysteries of time.

The room with the prophecies, I don’t know it that is really an actual mystery, the only mystery is the actual prophecy of the person, but they what the prophecies are for, to foresee what will happen to a person

Mystery of the Mind: The door which lead to where the brains were I believe is to be where the Unspeakables would study the mysteries of the mind, how it works and functions more closely.

Mystery of the Universe???: Ron, Luna and Ginny spoke about being "chased into a dark room full of planets." Could this be the door where the Unspeakables study the mysteries of the universe or planets? Plants can represent things as some of you have stated

Mystery of Death: The room with the veil, I believe is where the Unspeakables study the mysteries of death. Dumbledore clearly states that this room is called "The Death Chamber" (page 817, American version) and, although there are still a lot of questions left unanswered about the arch, and what exactly happens when going through it, I believe that it may be a type of "gateway" into the next life. And where better to study the mysteries of death then the gateway to the other side?

Now for the biggest Mystery of them all, the locked door...

Mystery of the Heart or Human Emotions?: I guess the best way to describe what I am trying to get at with this door is to quote Mr. Dumbledore himself! (page 843, American version)

"There is a room in the Department of Mysteries that is kept locked at all times." (The door Harry could not get through, which melted his knife, I also have a feeling Luna knows whats in here. I think she was about to say on page 776!)

"It contains a force that is at once more wonderful and more terrible then death, then human intelligence, then forces of nature." (Could he mean emotions and feeling? A force, such as love, could be wonderful, but a force such as grief, and sadness could be more terrible then death itself! No matter how intelligent you may be, emotions at times may take over, and forces of nature can not stop your emotions! ) which is why I think that the looked door is the study of basically emoition.

"It is, perhaps, the most mysterious of the many subjects for study that reside there. It is the power held within that room that you posses in such quantities and which Voldemort has not at all." (Although Voldemort may have emotions, such as anger and hate, he has no emotion for anyone but himself, no love, no sadness, no care for others.) Which I think is one of his weaknesses...yet haveing love and caring may also be a weakness.

"That power took you to save Sirius tonight." (the power of love? Worry? caring?)

The last line in Dumbledores speech is, "In the end, it mattered not that you could not close your mind. It was your heart that saved you."

So, I believe that this "power" that Harry has so much of, and which the Unspeakables study behind the locked door, is the power of human emotion from the heart.

Now, the reason I think that this "power" is more then just the power of love is because of the talk Harry and Luna have in the last chapter (page 862) " An odd feeling rose in Harry---an emotion quite different from the anger and grief that had filled him since Sirius's death. It was a few moments before he realized that he was feeling sorry for Luna."

The fact that Harry can show human emotion and Voldemort can't, or doesn't, is Harry's strongest quality. Dumbledore says (Page 824) , "Harry, suffering like this proves you are still a man! This pain is part of being human----" Harry is human, and the fact that he cares so much, and that he can feel so much for someone else is his greatest power, also that others care and feel for him. Where as Voldemort has no feelings for anyone but himself, making him less then human, as said plenty of times through out the books.

Also, Dumbledore tells Harry (page 838) the reason his "perfect plan" did not work is because Dumbledore cared so much for Harry" Acted exactly as Voldemort expects we fools who love to act." Voldemort knew that love and human emotion can be a weakness, and that is how he knew that showing Sirius in trouble, in Harry's vision, would get him there, but as Dumbledore says "In the end, it mattered not that you could not close your mind. It was your heart that saved you."

See, having love and caring so much is both good and bad...it can be someones weakness or strongest qualitly.

So, what do you think? Did this make sense?

Quite a bit. I think you actually posted most of the things that almost all of us are thinking!! That´s a good post, and you made a summary of everything. I totally agree

If Pluto represents the "unconscious mind, obsession, and the ability to transform yourself" then I think it represents Voldemort more acurately than anything to do with Harry.

Dumbledore tells us what the DoM is for at the end of the book. My views on the DoM can be found in my editorial:

"The Most Mysterious Room"

Which is too long to repost here. (and the Mods get angry when you do that )

Oh, wow, you guys are probably right! I think it is 'Love' or something like that in the locked door, because in the last chapter, Dumbledore says:

"It contains a force that is at ocne more wonderful and terrible than death, than human intelligence, than the forces or nature. It is also, perhaps, the most mysterious of the many subjects for study that reside there. It is the power held within that room that you possess in such quantities and which Voldemort has not at all. That power took you to save Sirius tonight. That power aslo saved you from possession by Voldemort, because he could not bear to reside in a body so full of the force he detests. In the end, it mattered not that you could not close your mind. It was your heart that saved you." (Page 843-844)

Love can be wonderful and terrible, it can make you happy, and it can make you suffer. It makes you happy to be with the ones you love, but you must also make sacrafices if you truly love them. And no one really understands how it works or anything, so it's the strangest there, even more then death. And obviously love would be something Voldemort detests, plus allthe other points about him going to save Sirius and stuff.

could the locked door contain something else?
Could dumbledore be talkin about some other room?

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