well hi. i just thought of something new. who can be the baby death eater or i dunt no harry and hermione saw in the department of mysteries. plzzz i want a discussion about this

What happened was that particular Death Eater fell through the broken cabinet which contained a Time-Turner making his head go back through time thus creating the baby head on top of the Death Eater's body.

Hope that clears up any confusion you had...I don't know if I was very clear about what I was trying to get across but whatever

Your both correct. It was the same VAse thing that the bird was hatching, growing up, then turnong abck into a egg. I an not too sure if it was a time turner though. The time turner works by bring your current body back in time, not de-aging it. If it were a time-turner, his head would have gone back in time, but his body would have remained. I think Hermione explains it as time in general (or Harry thinks about it, can't remember at the moment) THe only problem was that the death eater took his head out before it grew up again, hence the baby head remained.

I hope that cleared up any confusion.

It's not a time-turner, I think the glass bell jar keeps a stream of time in a contained loop. I agree with Padfoot313 about what happened to the DE, he's partially transfigured back into a baby head and mind (which explains his behavior afterwards). We don't really know which DE fell through the jar. Any thoughts on who?

Actaully, at the HP-Lexicon, Kendall Smiley wrote an extremely well-thought out essay analyzing the Battle of the Department of Mysteries. In it, he tries to follow the Death Eaters, and through deduction and process of elimination, figures that the "baby-faced" Death Eater was most likely Crabbe. It is possible that it is Avery, but Kendall narrows it down to a 75% Crabbe and 25% Avery possibility. Everybody should go and read the essay...it is really great and will refresh your memory and clarify the whole scene for you!

As for what turned the Death Eater into a constant aging and de-aging pattern, one can only assume that it is a time test. I agree with Tuitus that it may be a "loop of life," but then if you think about it, the grown face would turn right into the baby face, which would then grow and age, and turn right back to a baby face. The pattern went like this: baby-->child-->teen-->adult-->middle aged-->old man-->middle aged-->adult-->teen-->child-->baby.......etc., etc., and so on. In this case, I see the aging cycle as more of a thermometer going all the way up, then all the way down, up, down, up, down, etc.

Whoa. Thats my two cents. Sorry if I confused anybody from my extreme babbling




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hey, felix, do you have a link to that essay? it sounds cool.

does anyone have any ideas on what could have happened to that death eater afterwards?

Oh! So sorry, Shellolly! I could have sowrn I posted the think in my last post .....

Ayway, it is right HERE at the Lexicon....the "Time Room" portion is under section I-A (One-A)...with a really cool and accurate picture to go along! hehe....



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Well that explanation was interestign, however, I am not to sure how incredibly accurate it was. I must go back and read it, but I thought that only one was unmasked, and that one was who the baby head was. But currently, I haven;t a clue, So I will return when I have read it.

this is really interesting. you all seem to be grasping the idea quite nicely, at least, the same ideas i am, anyway. it's a shame i don't have my Potter books with me at uni, so i can't actually check the original text, but i agree that the jar contained the true essence of time, fast-forwarding and rewinding, (i even think JK might describe it lke that. i dont' remember!) what ever is inside the jar is trapped in the backwards and forwards flow of time. thus, the head of the unfortunated death eater became baby'like.

as for what happened afterwards, we can only assume. he was most likely captured with the rest of the deatheaters in the DOM, and probly sent to azkaban like the rest. question is, are normal wizards able to reverse the effects of the time jar on his head, or did they send him to prison as he is?

well i just finsihed reading the book (again) and i read that his head was smashed into a like box full with shining air in it

ooooo this could be an important thing! Maybe Harry will kill LV by using that device, making him unborn... wouldn't that be wild?

hmm.. the real scene goes like this.. a death eater fell (is it?! not that sure if he fell... ehehe! correct me if i'm wrong..) into a big jar has a potion in it that makes the death eater return to its baby days.. ehehe! that was the main reason why that death eater cannot fight due to the fact that he was transformed into a baby through that potion...

no, ill have to contradict you and refer to Tuitus' post about the bell jar. it was just a magical jar with some time substance in it, just turning the head back in time... no potion, no complete transformation

Well, that is a cool theory, but I don't think it'll work very well.
For one thing, the jar can't make people unborn. It can only cause them to grow younger, and when they can't get any younger, they get older. And when they can't get any older, they get younger, and so on.
And, if I understood the prophecy correctly, Harry will kill Voldemort with this 'power that Voldemort has not', which I and many others believe is love.

It is a death eater who -HAHA!- had a small accident, nothing to care about.

It seems to me that JKR does not give a lot of detail to something that is unimportant. Perhaps this Time Jar will be very important.

Wild Theory: Harry does push V into the time stream. He is pulled out as a youngster (before all the evil starts to grow in him). He is adopted by a loving couple (Harry and Ginny) and the evil is killed by their love.

That just sounds to smarmy and boring. But since love is the main weapon Harry has.....

What if LV has already fallen in to it and came out as a baby which people named Harry Potter

AD says it matters not what you were born but who you become.

Erm.. no. That would be not be a good story line at all. I could see Voldemort somehow being connected to Salazar Slytherin... by Voldemort going back in time he actually is Slytherin... wierd to think about but plausible.

~Albus

I think voldemort is connected to Salazar Slytherin in some way, but not that he is him. He is the last living descendent of slytherin so it makes sense that he has a lot of similarities to slytherin, but he didn't seem knowledgable enough when he first started hogwarts. if he was Salazar, in some way, it would make sense for him to have a lot more knowledge of the dark arts. Also, Tom did not hesitate to rip his soul and this is something that Salazar would of done, he did not seem to worry about breaking the 'rules', he could of kept himself alive.

It would be interesting if Tom/Voldemort had a part of salazar in him though. He seems to have enough power and definetly enough determination to have a part of his ancestor in him.

I think the baby wasn't actually a child, but was a message or reminder. It wasn't a real child, but a symbol. It could symbolise vunerability or new beginnings. Most of the things that Jk writes have a lot of meaning, even if they are not entirely relevant to the storyline. Harry might not ever think about the baby, but we as an audience have and have found meaning in it.

Here's a thought. I'm sure it's not origional but it's new to me

Could Slytherine have had a horcrux of his own? Maybe the ring? That way LV would have a part of Slytherine.

The book leads you to believe that his uncle was deranged. Maybe the ring acts like the diary did and the person is possessed somehow. When DD took the ring it damaged his hand. He had to fight the 'powerful magic' protecting the ring.

FINALLY someone else who thinks like i do...I had this crazy thought that salazar slytherin was a ghost that inhabited tom riddle's body and all harry has to do is destroy the demon within, using love of course, and tom riddle will be just a person, possibly a muggle..and safely sent to prison, and harry will not need to become a killer..but that is just my crazy thought..now to answer the topic itself: The baby in the DoM was just the time thing changing the guy's head into a baby head, maybe to show the importance of the time room, maybe not the vase(bubble?), but the room in general. Perhaps setting up a good flow to the ending of the series?

well, i think most of your theories are plausible but i do have to say:


if it is in the departement of mysteries you're not going to find out because it is a mystery and if the "wizards can't figure it out then neither can we.








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Basically, there was this thing, that was causing this bird to hatch, grow and go back to being an egg. Someone used a spell on the death eater, forcing him backwards and into whatever the thing was. However it was only the head that went through, so the death eaters head shrank back into a childs head then into a babies and back into an adults. The process kept going until the death eater pulled their head out of the growing area. The only problem was, was that they pulled it out at the wrong time, so the head was stuck as a babies with the same brain as a baby.
Hope that made some sense.

I just had a read of that essay that that person write. It was really good. Anyway, the DoM part was really well thought out if you ask me. I think it was a good thing to put into the book.