In Shakespeares Romeo and Juliet they mention something about pulling a mandrake out of the ground and it's piercing shrieks,
Yes it does.
I know this has nothing to do with literature
The LOTR books are just that, books. Therefore they are considered literature.
It has nothing to do with Shakespeare. However, I do see your point.
no stories are 100% original.
Even when Shakespeare wrote Romeo and Juliet, he recieved the idea from a story by Ovid. Some also say that William S. Didn't even write his own works!

When my class was reading Macbeth in 6th grade, 2 years ago, It was just when Prisoner of Azkaban the movie was coming out, our class also had to read a certain section of the Washington Post (Washington D.C.'s newpaper) everyday and one of the ads in the Post on day looked like this; Click!; and I made the connection of the subtitle on it, 'Something Wicked This Way Comes' which is what the 3 witches said to Macbeth. I know it's not J.K.'s writing but I thought I'd point that out

as everyone else has said really its in every single heroic type thing and i have seen other ppl comparing it to lord of the rings(which i might add does share some interesting ones) and others. So really i think its all just the way a story like this must go as for the end it could be diffrent it could not we can only wait and see.

The biggest simalarity to me was the quest of Sauron and Voldemort to stay alive. Voldemort has his horcruxes which to me is exactly the same as Saurons master ring. He poured his soul and evil into the ring so he could stay alive. And as soon as the ring is destroyed, Sauron is destroyed. If Voldemort had not had a body and all the horcruxes were destroyed, the same thing would happen. I will also point out the obvious in Gandalf/Dumbledore.

Hello again. I know that this is not Shakespeare *slaps hand*, but I saw it and wanted to post it.
Charles Dickens- Great Expectations- first chapter- Most likely the third paragraph- "...and that Alexander, Bartholomew, Abraham,
TOBIAS, and Roger, infant children..."
Do you think that is where JKR got the name for Severus Snape's dad,
Tobias Snape?

Ok, simmilarities abound yo can see. But if you look at it that way, Star Wars also follows a similar pattern ( following the path of Luke I mean...and forgeting the 'I am your father' stuff) but ends completely different from LotR. The article stating that LotR can determine the ending of HP is foolish, for their may be character similarites and a slight story line similarity (only occuring in the last couple of books i might add), but to even suggest that their will be a correlation of endings would be obsurd. We don't even know if Harry will kill Voldy do we...we assume so, but we dont know. We don't know if harry survives either, or if others die, or if the story continues along another thread all together. I was a LotR's fan way before I was a HP fan, and I have done literary studies on LotR (3000 freaking words) so I know that the majority of fantasy books following J.R,R Tolkiens books have taken different aspects from them, whether it be creatures, characters, story lines, or even world maps...yet they involve enough of a difference to create a completely new world. The success of that style makes it precious, and so people try to pick at new innovations in order to see something to point at:-

the gollum/dobby thing thing - completely different, gollum was twisted by evil, dobby is good to the core, maybe they have some physical similarities but hey....

Gandalf/Dumbledore - the stylized description of a Wizard has been used everywhere - long beard, pointed hat, and grand robes...they have very different personalities however, Gandalf having the strong will and a dominearing charm and kindness whereas Dumble oozes power, yet has a magestic grace about him.

Also, The World structure of HP has no similarity to LotR's to my mind, and even though I cant back this up, I suggest that any others are coincidence. Nuff Said.

Ok, I have to agree with I_see_thestrals - many stories have the same basic ingredients. The good guy, the bad guy, the mentor, the best friend, the smart friend, the hero that never was, the ordinary guy etc. The list goes on. Sometimes these characters are merged but any good story needs certain elements for the plot and characters to work.

But that doesn't mean that some stories can't have more in common than usual. Like Harry Potter and Lord of the Rings. These stories have themes that overlap quite a lot.

Here are a few:

1) The hero who's destiny is an accident. Frodo got the ring before anybody really knew what it was, so he was appointed for the task by mere chance. Harry only became the hero because Voldemort chose him, it could have been Neville.

2) The hero still has a choice if he wants to follow his destiny. Frodo realises that he has been appointed the task by fate, and chooses to fulfill it. Harry realises the thing about 'walking into the arena with your head held high' - it makes 'all the difference in the world' that you choose to face your destiny.

3) The mentor eventually gives over the reigns so the hero needs to find his own way. Gandalf can't follow Frodo (pure logistics) and he can't exactly barge into Mordor without Sauron knowing. Frodo has to do it himself. Dumbledore, after telling Harry all he needs to know, dies. Harry has to find his path himself.

4) The physical embodiment of fear. Both the Nazgul and the Dementors are physical beings that embody the worst fear. They are the nightmares everyone has had. Both Frodo and Harry need to deal with this before they can accomplish the task that is set them.

5) The everyday hero. The ordinary guy with nothing more to recommend him than heart and guts, succeeds against all odds. (Frodo has at least, but I'm sure Harry will...) This inspires us all to seek our destiny and follow it with all our heart, despite our deficiencies.

There are of course many more, but I won't bore you with it all...

Very intresting. I noticed the "Something wicked this way comes" as well. I did not notice any of the Roemo and Juliet things but I am reading that in class now so I shall keep an eye out.

Anyone seen the avatar thingy with Harry hanging over the bed with a shoe to get the monster book of monsters I can't remeber what it was said to be alot like so can someone tell me?

I see the similarities. But I don't think they are all that important.
In most of these kinds of books the characters have a same general feel to them such as the ordinary boy becomes something reeealy special and goes on this fab journey.

That main idea is something people love because these characters are people we can realte to or find someone that fits that main personality. The fact we can relate to alot of the things Harry does is special but also really fun to read because of the same elements every kid goes through but Harry goes through certain stuff at a magic school.

I bet alot of people have a 'Dumbledore' friend who they look up to and respect and are awed by. I'm sure lots of us have a smart 'hermione' friend that you call for help with homework or a funny 'ron' friend you love dearly. But what really matters when it comes down to it is the details.

Like the fact Gandalf and Dumbledore both play that wise old guy that Harry looks up to and finds advice in. But that is just the general feel to them, Dumbledore differs from Gandalf because he has a peculiar sense of humor, he is kid friendly and in my opinion Gandalf doesnt really have that much patience.

And just because Gandalf and DD share that role doesnt mean if you switched G and DD and had Gandalf in Hp and DD in LOTRs, the story will stay the same. DO you see what I mean?

And can you really compare the two stories just because the characters are the same in the sense of the roles they play? The worlds. these sets of characters live in are reealy different, their backgrounds are not the same, and their 'thoughts' are different which makes their stories really different and so you shouldnt look at a similar plot and assume because they are simmilar it will end the same.

I hope I made even just a little sense. heee

fjkrs

Jk is more origional than this. This is an interesting theory, but you could similarise this with other things such as star wars and the matrix. When i watched the third lotr i thought it was weak how nearly all of the main characters lived. A bit unbelievable. i believe Jk has some massive deaths in store for us in the next book and we wont like it. But it will make it seem more real. Also in lotr frodo and sam seem, whats the best way to put this? in a relationship lol. and harry and ron definately do not.

Harry Potter and Narnia are both hot fantasy books, and J.K. Rowling's favourtie books are the Narnia series.

But have you thought about the relationship between them?

I think J.K. Rowling might have wrote HArry Potter according to the NArnia series, as some of the things in the books are the same. (E.g. the centaurs in the NArnia books doesn't let people ride on them and they are very wise creatures.)

I think J.K Rowling made Dumbledore like Aslan. Aslan and Dumbledore has a lot in common. They don't just suddenly jump out to save the day, but they wait or the main characters to do most of the hard work and help them finish off the last part. They both play the part of the wise guide of the book.

I think J.K. Rowling wrote Hermione based on Eustace, as they both were bossy and irritating and clever sometimes, before Eustace tried to defeat the sea serpent and Hermione, Ron and Harry try to fight the troll. They both become very good friends of the main characters in the end.

Any more ideas?

Oh oh just saw something, a thread el barto made 'the toilet' was about a chatacter named Montague and I won't continue on that because I didn't read it all because right when I saw that name I went OH!
Erm, this may be way out there but Montague is the last name of a rivalring family in Romeo and Juliet in Shakespear, perhaps JK got the name from the play. Or perhaps I am trying too hard.... heck I don't even recognize the name! That is from the book right?
*shakes head* I think I am a bit tired.

You're right. Montague is from Romeo and Juliet by William Shakespeare. Romeo is from the family of Montague. Juliet is from the Capulet family. Never recognised that. Is that really in the book somewhere? I will have to go look at the thread.

Isn't there a pub in the HP books named the Boers head?
Hmmm... I thought that there was? Maybe,
Ok, well, if there is, there is also a place in the play Umm... Henry VI
called that. I don't know, I'm pretty tired. I saw it on Jeopardy. hmm...

I'm reading Hamlet know, and when he's acting all crazy, I am reminded of Harry swearing to kill Sirius because of what he supposedly did. "Hasteme to know it, that I, with wings as swift as meditation or the thoughts of love, may sweep to my revenge." Act I Sceen V .But I don't think that Sirius and Lily hooked up...Anyway, I know that people are going to yell at me for this one, but I've thought for a long time that the end of CoS when Harry goes into the Chamber to save Ginny, it's like a bit like Romeo and Juliet, where Ginny is not dead but in a very deep sleep, and Harry gets posined, but thankfully neither of them have to kill themselves. As for the mandrake thing, mandrakes where a part of folk lore long before Shakespear.
As for MacBeth, and the song in Azkaban, I think it doesn't take JK to tell David Heyman that there are simarlites there. The question of fate, and the absence of it. Being in control of your life. Harry is the one who hears a phophesy, and Dumbledore tells him that predicting the future is difficult because of what fickle beings people are.

I suppose that the very basic idea of Houses came directly from William Shakespeare's Romeo and Juliet. The House of Montague (which Romeo is from) has had an "ancient grudge" with the House of Capulet (Juliet's House). This brings us directly to the Houses of Gryffindor and Slytherin, and their long-standing rivalry. Of course, to make the book a bit different, JK Rowling added in two more houses, all which have somewhat of a disliking of one another, each with their own House traits.

As for inter-House lovers, we have seen some. Cho and Cedric is a prime example. Was it Harry or Ron who went out with Padma Patil from Ravenclaw to the Yule Ball? *cough*Harry and Luna*cough*




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Lots of private schools in Britan have houses, it has nothing to do with Shakespeare. And well Luna and Harry might get togehter, as slime of a possiablity as it is, it would have little to do with Romeo and Juliet.

Personally, as a fan of both Harry Potter and Narnia, I think you made be reading too much into this. It is quite likely that Narnia influenced JK Rowliong to some degree but it would only be to a very minor degree.

Just letting you know that I'm moving this up to the Lounge where all of the other HP-somethingelse comparison threads are located.

Have to agree with Slaine mac Roth here. Jo's a good writer, and good writers don't write their books according to other books. There are more differences between the two series than similarities, so Jo deserves more credit than that. However, there's no denying the possibility that she might have been influenced by Narnia.

Most fantasy stories need some basic ingredients to make it work as fantasy. One of them is a hero that posseses certain abilities that make him the one person likeliest to conquer evil. There is almost always a wise mentor figure, who helps the hero up to a certain point, after which, for whatever reason, the hero must proceed alone. In many cases, the mentor dies or lands in a situation where he cannot be of help any more - this is crucial, so that the hero has to step up to the challenge of his own accord. In HP, Harry's parents, Sirius and Dumbledore shared this role, imo.

There is also the Evil side, that usually has one powerful leader who cannot be conquered easily.

Then there are the little helpers the hero finds along the way - friends who all have at least one role to fulfill.

Of course, no fantasy would be complete without fantastical creatures who usually symbolise one or two human traits. You'll find that Jo researched all of her creatures very well - Hippogriffs, giants, goblins, sphinxes, unicorns, phoenixes and centaurs are all real mythical creatures.

Then she has gone and thought many up herself - I think she thought up house elves and Nifflers and screwts etc.

So many of the elements in Narnia that coincide with Harry Potter are rather basic fantasy ingredients that are always there in various forms and guises.

So in effect you're not wrong, but these things are more genre-bound, I think. The overall magical feel or style of writing of the Narnia books may come through sometimes in Harry Potter, I'm not sure - I only saw the movie, so I can't compare that.

I often wondered if anybody has sat down and listed all the places that JKR's creations are similar to other older fantasy works.

I know that, as a long time fantasy fan, I found much of her magical creations to be derivative of other stories I had read, but put together in a very entertaining way. (eg I think it was Jane Yolen's "Wizard's School" that had paintings that moved and talked, but Ursula K. Leguin had the first magic school I had ever read about in the "Wizard of EarthSea").

Maybe there is already a place for people to list the similarities between HP and other stories, but I have not seen it. Has anybody else?

Thank you for pointing that out, Kaite. If I may ask where are you from, how do houses work in the school you've been to.
My theater class is doing Taming of the Shrew, and I am reminded of Ron and Hermione just a little in Kate and Pethurio. "Oh all mad macthes, never was the like."

Posted this in the wrong place, so here I place it correctly:

Well after going on the Kingdom Hearts Website, I found this most interesting:

Years before Sora's adventure, there was a great war. In a place between worlds, there were those known as "Chasers", those who had manifested great power and chanelled it through weapons they experly crafted known as the Keyblades. There were four Chasers.

The Chasers all had to power to create, save, destroy and lock world's hearts. Their keyblade gave them enough power to unlock the energy of a worlds physical heart and be able to move from world to world.

The Chasers began to follow their own ambitions. In the place between worlds, where all of their keyblades laid to rest, the four seperated. Two followed the path of light, bringing life to the worlds, following the paths of Light and Twilight. The other two, they grew unhappy and decided that those who did not respect them should perish. They followed the path of Darkness. They began to bring destruction to worlds, destroying them.

One of the two Dark Chasers realized the faults in his ways and decided to back out. Much as Riku did, this Chaser follows the path of Dawn back to the Crossroads where he is forgiven for his ways. The final Chaser, the one they called Xehanort, would not give up, would not give in. The war began, it is unknown for how long this terrible time lasted. It has been recorded though and the Chasers are much like gods.

It sounds like Slytherin doesn't it. The four founders too. I wonder if someone over at Kh knows about Rowlings stories, and creates some over them. I also wonder if Ravenclaw or Hufflepuff was the "Dawn" Chaser??? I think this is interesting, but accept its faults. Tell me what you think!

It's been asleep for a long time this one, but since the release of the book 7 title there seems to be renewed interest in the connections between the HP verse and other books.
The most prevalent amongst these recently has beenthe similarites to Arthurian Legend, a theory to which I subscribe myself.

The obvious connections are between:-

Dumbledore and Merlin
Guinnivere and Ginny
Excalibur and Gryffindors Sword
Hufflepuff Cup and The Grail (or Pensieve)

There are many other things that I have mentioned elsewhere, including the fact that Arthur was responsible for the death of an Emperor named Lucius and that he owned a spear called 'Ron'.

This is just a small portion of what I have found out so far, and I know that posted elsewhere on the forums is much more. I would love to see what everyone else thinks.

I really don't know much about LOTR but i have heard from people that theses two stories are quite similar. I also once read in a magazine of Star Wars and HP being the same too. I really don't know, please don't laugh and shout at me, i'm just merrily reapeting what i've heard and read.
But i can be 65% sure about mentioning this scene i saw in LOTR 1:
Gandalf and the others accompany Frodo to destroy the ring and they first went into a cave or cavern. Gandalf looks so much like Dumbledore and at first i thought his role was played by Richard Harris too. He feels the walls and keeps muttering (I don't remember really well) and then you can see an archway with a white light which disapperas quickly. I don't know what happened next. But when they all went inside, there was a black lake in which tentacles appeared and grabbed for Frodo. I really don't know. Please don't make fun of me!!

The same scene happens in HBP. The only few differences are:

Harry and Dumbledore were the only ones.

The lake was filled with corpses and not tentacles but both made a grab for Harry/Frodo first.

I hope i'm not wrong.

I feel that LOTR and HP are seperate stories in their own right, however I believe that there are some common elements with just about ALL fantasy novels- especially those that are epic in their nature.

Unlikely hero with some kind of tormented past is joined by a group of equally unlikely compainions with the odd two or three in the group with established talent and ability.

They set out to accomplish a feat of extreme measures for the said unlikely hero and face a challenger who completely outclasses the hero in just about all aspects. However the villian has a weakness that the hero and companions know about and which the villian is either unaware of, or doesn't consider a weakness.

The hero may or may not die in the end- and if they don't die there will be one or more close encounters with death, but ultimately the villian can't win- it would ruin the story

I tend to agree with etphonehome. There are a lot of "coincidences" between HP and Arthur. And Pixymajik, you're right too. If you've ever tried writing an epic fantasy story than you'll be able to draw parallels to HP, LOTR, Star Wars, Arthur...any of them, all of them. There's nothing new under the sun, just new ways, and better, of looking at it all.

Hi all,

I realise that this is the general thread for 'other sources', and that the bible is an 'other source', however we do have a thread specifically for Christianity in Harry Potter located here. A couple of people have brought the focus of this thread to my attention and so I'm going to move those posts that relate to the bible and harry potter into that thread. Your posts have NOT been deleted, just moved into a more relavent thread, so that this thread can stay purely for discussion of the similarities and comparisons to sources such as LOTR, Matrix, etc etc

thanks

~Pix

i would like to say somthing i just realized

Saron and Voldemort both share the same weakness their pride. Saron went under a fare guise and won over the elves of Eridor and gave them information if forging rings of power. He tricked them and forged his own trusting all of his power into it. He is overthrown by a small insignifigant pawn weak who fough stealthily into his land and destroyed the rind killing Saron forever.

Voldemort won over Slughorn to tell about hourcuxes and turned evil massicuring everyone. He will be overthrown by a wizard of little mopre than averege magical ability but like frodo a lot of braveness. HE will stellthily make his way and destoy voldemorts hourcruxes and then banish him from the relms of this earth.

I did not write this that great but i beleve this makes sense and i was wondering if anyone got this connection too.

Wow etphonehome! I don't know much about Arthur, but what little I do know makes what you've justified make perfect sense! Good ideas!


Pixymajik, there's no way it could be said better than how you explained how mainly all fantasy novels share the same key elements.
Yes, LOTR and HP are completely different stories, and even though they share similar things, they are still 2 different worlds with 2 different sets of characters.

Last night, while watching POA, I started to see a remarkable similarity between Harry Potter and Frodo Baggins. For those that don't know or don't remember, (which I doubt there'll be too many) Frodo is the hero of the Lord of the Rings saga. I'm not only talking about the story similarities between the characters but their traits as well. The similarities are striking. Both Harry and Frodo's lives are defined by their quest to defeat (and indeed destroy) an over the top evil character that wishes to destroy them and their loved ones; Voldemort in case of the former and Sauron in case of the latter. Both characters are hunted by dark evildoers that were sometimes more threatening than their main antagonists. Think about Harry, which revealed his incredible fear of Dementors and Frodo, who was scarred for life as a result of the Ringwraiths (Nazgul). Both characters are supported by a loyal cast of friends (some of which are the protagonist's best friends, as Ron was for Harry and Sam Wise for Frodo). Both characters find themselves under the guidance and protection of a wise, powerful, grandfather-like figure; Harry's Dumbledore and Frodo's Gandalf-as an aside, I thought it was quite ironic that JK Rowling disclosed the fact that Dumbledore was gay when Sir Ian McLellan (who plays Gandalf in the movie version of the Tolkien’s best seller) is openly gay…but I digress. Both characters go through unthinkable turmoil, odds, conflict and pain to achieve their goal. Both characters needed help beyond what was humanly possible to survive. Finally, both characters are successful in defeating their nemesis and bring peace to their respective worlds.

The issue then is this: Which character overcame the greatest amount of odds? At first glance, many people would claim that Frodo’s task was much more difficult as Harry was a wizard after all. He possessed powers that Frodo did not. However, such view misses the point that although Harry did have magical powers, so did his enemies, which were also wizards, witches and otherwise supernatural creatures. Harry, however, had the fortune of being surrounded by friends (either in flesh or spirit) that were crucial in lending help all throughout his endeavors. Frodo’s party was broken up and his only constant friend through his adventure, Sam Wise, had more heart than skill. Then again, Harry started his saga at 11, while Frodo was an adult all through his.

So, what say you? Harry or Frodo: Who overcame the greatest odds?

Love, RED

We already have a thread that deals with comparisons between HP and LotR, so I'm going to merge your thread into that one as it's more established.

omg you will all hate me now I no...please dont..have mercy..lol..
okay well..I Love Harry Potter really and I am one of the madest people about it probably...but LOTR...is just...a much better story...I think..and I like the characters much more than those in Harry Potter...but that mainly goes for the movies as I never read LOTR properly... I just think that the plot is slightly better than Harry Potter...okay Harry Potter is very extra vagant in his magical way..like the world is much better described and so on but... therefore Rowling is not really able to form characters like Tolkien did and especially she is really bad in love stories whereas Tolkien is just brilliant in it...Arwen and Aragorn compared to any other couple of HArry Potter ...is just...well you know it..
then the protagonists...they do the main plot actually..when they are not really good then the plot is destroyed beyond repair...
Frodo is a much more convincing character in my opinion... HArry is a really good character too but Frodo is what you call a real character... like he is not having extra ordinary skills...he is not different than the others...yet he manages to do what he is supposed to..and he is unlike harry choosing to do so.."I will carry the ring. though I dont know the way" (LOOOL)..the main ideas of the story like...friendship, trust, loyality etc...are more significant here..it isnt only fixed upon one main character though..these ideas are always present on every different journey of the seperated followship...that is what I call a good story...Frodo isnt all good through and through he has mistakes...but in the end he does the good thing too...ah well its further more complex than this...but if you ask me
I prefer LOTR...

It's hard to call. Despite the similarites, there are huge differences. Like you say RED, the age at which their respective adventure started for one.

Also, Froda had the choice about taking the ring, Harry was chosen through prophecy. They both willingly took along their friends to help them with the burden. The similarities between the effect of the ring when worn by Frodo and that of the locket horcrux when Ron was wearing it do not go unnoticed either.

They were both very determined and despite Harry being younger always had the wisdom of others eg Dumbledore to guide him, Frodo and Sam took there journey alone save for Smeagol (sp?) So who did they turn to when things went wrong, well they had the power of a great wizard guiding them as well.

OK so I'm stating the obvious here, we all know this stuff. I'm going to go with Harry on this one, don't get me wrong, Frodo was very brave and he did come close to death a couple of times, but when push came to shove it was Harry that destroyed Voldemort and Gollum that destroyed the ring. So round one, for finishing the job, I give it to Harry.

Touche on the destruction of the Ring. In fact, after Gollum jumped into the abyss with the Ring, Frodo admitted to Sam that he would have never been able to destroy it. Harry, on the other hand, could have just fallen for Voldemort's offer of "bringing back his parents" and rule the wizarding world if only Harry would give up the sorcerer's/philosopher's stone. Harry didn't. However, as to the issue of choice, I think I have to go with Frodo. Harry was chosen, Frodo chose. Now, Frodo chose knowing full well the peril and curse that possessing the ring would bring him. Harry didn't even know about the prophecy until 4 years into his saga. On the other hand, Frodo felt trapped by his choice, Harry embraced his and realized that only he could rule his fate. Darn! I see it as a bit of a tie. Yeah, I know, I'm cheating a bit.

Love, RED

You can compair a lot of books with the Harry Potter books, because most books are written in one way. Details will change in every book, but real important things, like an evil guy who has to be defeated and things like that will be in a lot of adventure books. That's part of the strenght of these books. It is what people want.

Oh gee.

I did not even think of it like that! To apply the tragic, possibly satiric relationships from Romeo and Juliet to Harry Potter gives me the willies of joy. Oh~ I think I feel a fanfic coming on.

Something's got me stuck though:



I just don't think it's fair to say Frodo is a realer character simply because he had mistakes. I mean, Harry had mistakes also. For example- Harry was naive to Voldemort's tricks and it resulted in an (IMO) unnecessary death.

To me Harry was real too, his anger in the 5th book was spot on of what I've experienced in those sort of situations, his sadness and guilt rang very true with me.

I disagree with you...I think Harry is the very antagonist to LV who is the evil..therefore Harry is the through and through good character...
Frodo is not neccessarily the antagonist...Legolas could be that as well as Aragorn or Arwen..
I didnt say harry wasnt real...I just said that Frodo is to me the realest one...maybe even in entire Literature which is just my opinion and hasnt to be fact of course
you say that Harrys naivitiy is his bad character trait as well as anger..
I can say...naivity is not neccessarily a bad trait...he is just very convinced that he is seeing the truth and therefore acted still bravely..which isnt bad...he has this "people safe thing" Which isnt bad whatsoever..and Sirius death due to the trick..I dont think it was really his mistake..and even if it was...it is something he cant do for...
to his anger..yes he is a high-tempered human..but that doesnt really make him have a bad site as well..you can always understand harry..I would act the same way if I were him..of course he is angry...look what he has gone through..so all in all you cant really blame him for his "Mistakes"...
but its completely different with Frodo..the thing is he gets obsessed with the ring as well..which unlike Harry/Locket...Ron is nearly getting obsessed, so does Ginny..why doesnt anything happen to Harry?
What I want to say is..its showing Frodos weakness that he cant destroy it and that he gets obsessed...we cant see such a huge mistake in Harry..and actually noone can deny that..after reading DH...he just hasnt..Frodo has..and that seems much more realistic to me...

I actually did a term paper on the parallels between King Arthur and Harry Potter... a whole ten pages... we had to do something involving King Arthur and I was going to do between King Arthur and fantasy series but since there was so much on Harry Potter I just devoted it to those parallels. I got a hundred on the paper and my teacher said she is going to use it as an example for future sophomores. If anyone is interested I can post it up here sometime.

My 1000th post!

Is it just me or are there some striking paralels betwixt Harry Potter and Naruto!?

Both stories have Four Founders of there school or villiage.

-Naruto Infamous from infantcy

-Harry Potter Famous from childhood

-In both tales there is a Two Guy One Girl Dynamic.Though they are very different people...Sakura may be good at school work.But she doesn`t even hold a candle to Hermione! If anything in some ways it is Sasuke who is more like Hermione.For he is the Top of the Class Student as she is.For a time Naruto is in his Shadow.As Ron is in Harry`s...

-In H.P. there is The Forbidden Forest.

-In N. there is The Dark Forest

-Orochi Maru and Voldermort.
Both seek Eternal Life.
Both have an Affinity for Snakes.
Both sought to kill the Leader of their former schools.
And both of them posses people.

When I first saw Naruto in 2002.I was all but instantly reminded of Harry Potter! I know that it was a Manga first.But I`m not sure when it was originally published.Perhaps this is just one of those bizarre coincidences that happens every now and then...

P.S. HJP/HJG_TrueLove,I would really like to read your Essay about the Parallels Betwixt Harry Potter and King Arthur.By all means,Post it Here or Send me an E-mail of it...Thanks!