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smee
Hey mxnhpfreak, at the risk of sounding stupid (i know...too late, lol) what's a Mary Sue huh.gif ? Once I know what it is I'll let you know if I think Ginny is one.
mxnhpfreak
Oh, don't worry smee, I didn't know what a Mary Sue was until quite recently.

hmm.. I am not sure whether my explanation would be good enough so I better post something that I got from WikiPedia

QUOTE (wikipedia.org)
A Mary Sue (or just Sue) is a fictional character, the term originating from fan fiction, who is an idealised stand-in for the author. It is also sometimes used to describe any stand-in for the author (whether idealized or not), any idealized character (whether a stand-in for the author or not), or any original character in fan-fiction.

[...]While Mary Sues are generally written unintentionally, some authors deliberately write Mary Sues as a form of parody.

[...]Mary Sues are characterized by their unusual and dramatic traits and experiences, their similarity to their author, and, especially, their exaggerated superiority to other characters.

Mary Sues normally have exceptional physical and personal characteristics and unusual and (typically) tragic backgrounds.


I hope that is useful, if you want to read the whole article, click here. I should warn you, though it is quite large... laugh.gif

Well people actually say Mary Sue is just a "perfect" and "flawless" character who everybody in the novel loves, but the readers don't think someone can be that perfect, so they just hate her...
smee
QUOTE (mxnhpfreak @ Mar 24 2006, 03:47 PM)
Some people actually think Ginny is a "Mary Sue".... I don't think she is! do you guys do?

Now I know what it is I'd have to say definitely not, IMHO anyway. I would never describe Ginny as any of those things. And I don't think Harry needs a Mary Sue; I think he needs Ginny cool.gif
Just the Droobles
Actually a lot of people would disagree that Ginny is a very poor written character. If you'd like to check out all those reasons, I suggest you head on over to the Ginny's Characterization Thread. There is actually some rather interesting stuff. But I must caution you, if you do not support Ginny quite strongly, you may not want to be over there because your view of her could be altered.

I like Ginny. I feel like I can relate to her for some reason, and I think she is a very funny girl. Sure she has flaws, but who doesn't? And if I understand correctly about the Mary-Sue thing, I don't think Ginny is one at all. I always thought Jo viewed herself like Harry, and since this isn't a fanfic, is it hard to think as any of the HP characters as a Mary-Sue. And boy have I read some rather odd Mary-Sue fanfics... blink.gif

I am struggling not to talk about Ginny's characterization now. OK, I'll try this question: Do you think Ginny is wrongly perceived by how Harry views her? For example, do you think we can only see Ginny the way we do because Harry thinks she's pretty? She's always flinging her hair about and sometimes being a bit catty. What do you think Harry sees in Ginny, specifically?
muggleview
Just the Droobles, I believe so. Ginny was wrongly perceived, because of the flawed perception of our narrator. Can we find evident that Ginny was pretty? If she was indeed very pretty, how come she could only get Neville to ask her to Yule Ball? I think Ginny was not known to be a pretty girl at Hogwarts. She is not ugly (having 2 boyfriends in 2 years), but only labeled "pretty" by Harry.
What Harry sees in Ginny?
First, she was his first conquest. Being humiliated throughout his life (by the Dursleys) until he went to Hogwarts, suddenly Harry found he could be adored by a girl. We see again and again, Harry proudly told us how Ginny was very taken with him. Harry also refused to believe that she was not his until he saw Dean kissed her.
Second, she was the one Harry could find comfort. They are generally in the same wavelength, can exchange smiles, have the same hobby in sport. Basically someone to live with. For now, every summer and winter holidays.
Third, she embodied the good things about Ron, the Twins, Arthur and Molly. Those are the people Harry feels at home with.
Harry never wrote bad things about Ginny. Even her mistakes were seen in good light.
Fourth and foremost, something about Ginny. From the time Harry heard her high-pitched voice in Book 1, Harry was captivated by her. That is beyond logical comprehension. wub.gif

aizhol
Rowling made Harrys girl - Cho. The maybe she suddenly remembered that Cho is older than Harry and she will not be at Hogwarts is 7th book. So she had to find another girlfriend. Who? Er, ... let it be ... Ginny.
Just the Droobles
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If she was indeed very pretty, how come she could only get Neville to ask her to Yule Ball?
I never pictured Ginny as an ugly girl. And we don't know if Ginny was only asked by Neville. Perhaps she said yes to the first person who asked her just so she could be sure she had a date. Neville asked Hermione too, and I think there are mixed thoughts on her appearance. So I guess it is just how you personally pictured Ginny.

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They are generally in the same wavelength, can exchange smiles, have the same hobby in sport.
I agree with that. There are numerous occasions where they silently look at each other and laugh or give the same look as if they are thinking the exact same thing. They definitely think alike, and it could be a great advantage and it couldn't.

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Rowling made Harrys girl - Cho. The maybe she suddenly remembered that Cho is older than Harry and she will not be at Hogwarts is 7th book.
you can put characters with any other character you want, but that doesn't mean they are the right one. Cho is definitely not Harry's girl in my eyes. Cho was basically just a first crush. And years don't really matter because Harry is a year older than Ginny. But there isn't going to be an eighth book while Ginny is a seventh year so...But I don't think they were paired up because Cho was going to disappear.
muggleview
But aizhol, we know that Jo Rowling once mentioned she has everything laid on in Book 1. All the plots and relationships are there.
Cho was not there at all. Ginny mesmerized Harry already the first time they met. The second time they met, Harry mesmerized Ginny. A good balance.
darkest_lord_eve
AIZHOL, [you] should think again..

Jo Rowling is so clever and she cant do such a silly mistake like that.. and harry and ginny are destinied to be together since the first book..
i can show [you] [some] examples..



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Year 1 - Philosopher's Stone
"...their sister, half laughing, half crying, running to keep up with the train until it gathered too much speed, then she fell back and waved..."


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Year 2 - Chamber of Secrets
"Leave him alone, he didn't want all that!"


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Year 3 - Prisoner of Azkaban
"Ginny caught Harry's eye and they both turned away to hide their laughter..."


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Year 4 - Goblet of Fire
"Neville and Ginny were dancing nearby -- he could see Ginny ..."


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Year 5 - Order of the Phoenix
...Then he wheeled around. "I forgot," he said. "Lucky you," said Ginny coolly."


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Year 6 - Half-Blood Prince
And without thinking, without planning it, without worrying about the fact that fifty people were watching, Harry kissed her.


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mxnhpfreak
aaawww... darkest_lord_eve that was very sweet. I think you got the essence of the relationship by writing some of the best Harry-Ginny moments in the whole series... wub.gif

Aizhol, well I feel bad for you... sleep.gif it's just that you stepped in this Ginny-Harry supporting thread with a comment that we considered was meant to offend our dear ship and you sort of got attacked... I don't think it had been very nice.

However what all my shipping mates said here is true: do you seriously think that Jo Rowling, our Jo Rowling, a clever and extremely smart woman, made that big mistake? C'mon... if she really wanted Cho to be Harry's girl, she could have done it with no problem for her being out of Hogwarts, really.

Not all of the characters and all of the plot happens at Hogwarts, and we could have seen Cho and Harry being closer in book 6, while she was still studying... it didn't happen and the spark between Harry and Ginny have been there since book 1.

Look at both ships: Cho did make Harry feel something special, but their only date (for example) was a big mess, after that: no relationship... it's gone.
Ginny made Harry feel very special, as well, and they did spend very good times together. And when they broke up, it was clear that they weren't enjoying it.
smee
aizhol that is fairly naive. JK had the main characters and plots sorted before she even wrote the first book. I'd say who the main characters are going to end up with romantically would class as pretty important story lines. I can't see her getting to book 4/5 and suddenly realising that Harry needs a new girlfriend because Cho just won't do, casting around for ideas and randomly coming up with Ginny...thick she ain't dry.gif
aizhol
OK OK , I give up. Sorry for my stupid supposition.
Albus-wan
I'm sorry that people have attacked your idea, aizhol. sad.gif I'll just remind you, as mxnhpfreak did, that this thread is for people who support the Harry/Ginny ship, so a comment like that is sure to set people off.

Please remember not to post in a ship thread unless you are posting things that support the thread. wink.gif

I'd also like to remind you that one-liners are not allowed, so, in the future, please remember to elaborate a little more when making a post.

If you have any questions feel free to PM me or any of the moderators or prefects. smile.gif
Just the Droobles
Oh! I'm sorry aizhol! I didn't ever mean to attack your idea, I just disagreed with you. sad.gif I'm really sorry that that's kind of the way everyone else swung, but I would like you to stick around in here if you do support this ship. Don't let us scare you away. We love all shippers! smile.gif

QUOTE (muggleview)
Harry never wrote bad things about Ginny. Even her mistakes were seen in good light.
Very true. Harry never saw anything Ginny did (like dipping her elbow in the butter) as a bad thing and he never made fun of her for it. I think there is a lot of connection between the two of them. Whether they are soul mates or whatever, I don't know, but I do like seeing them together.
aizhol
Now you got one more supporter smile.gif . Sorry about one line post. And about Ginny and Harry, it was just my little idea. I am not against their relationships (and in fact, Cho is .. er .. guilty that Harry is not with her now, too many tears). But in my opinion their relationships less interesting then for example Ron and Hermiones (and dont attack me please, I just trying to make discuss more interesting). Their ... love (I daresay) is simple but strong. For example Ron and Hermione allways shouts and attack each other. But their love was checked by time. It was slowly developing while Harry suddenly realized that "Oi, I love Ginny". And what about Harrys words in the and of last book when Harry said "All who I love die, so we shouldnt be together", I think Ginny is most powerful fact that Harry will not die in the end. Because if he'l die it will be tragic. Of course it will be tragic in any case, but he has no parents, his friends (R&H) will stay together. But Ginny's hart (and mine) will be blow.
(Please Sorry for my language, I think you will understand me).
HarrylovesHermione
I'm sure Harry will cool down in the seventh book and just remain friends with Ginny. I thought of a scene. lol You may think it's funny or stupid. biggrin.gif
Voldermort is about to kill Ginny right; and Harry can't move otherwise Voldermort kills her. So Ginny bites him on the hand and he drops his wand and Harry quickly tries to kill him by the Adavra Kadavra but Ginny screams out loud,"NO HARRY! If you kill him that'll mean that revenge is your whole life. Don't do it..." And Harry gives a little fusterating look and desides not to kill him. but to defend himself. Then Voldermort picks hs wand quick before Harry stops him and, points it at Ginny. Harry gasps and he tries to stop him by the spell,"Expelliarmis" but Voldermort does the same and Harry's wand bursts into pices. Voldermort roars with laughter. "Finally Harry. Today is the day. 16 years of my destiny tring kill you and your little girlfriend, muhahaha! Today is the day I will to kill you. I will miss the fun times when I murdered your mudblood parents. First I will kill you from the scar."
A sound of a wind comes by and Fawkes appears and drops a tommy gun. Harry catched it. Voldermort opened his eyes.
"what the devil is this?"
"This is made by what you call mudbloods. Better than wands--
Voldermort says,"and now for your girlfriend, good-bye...actually I'll kill you first Harry. You won't be able to say by to Ginny...today you die!
"Actually...you mean you DIE!" and Harry runs fast while Voldermort keeps missing dark spells from him Harry and he catches Voldermort's neck and he falls on the ground. "You killed Cedric, you killed Sirius, and you killed my parents...and today you die! Harry stood the tommy gun at him.
BANG
Minutes later Ginny walks by, and he hugs her and she say, "Oh God Harry, are you okay?"
"Yeah you?"
-Yeah
"I love You"says Harry
and Ginny says the same. and they kiss
The End biggrin.gif biggrin.gif biggrin.gif biggrin.gif
muggleview
Great scene, HarrylovesHermione, although you may want to add one more sentence so it will end with "scar" as Jo Rowling said.

Aizhol, don't feel attacked. We just exchange ideas.
Actually I think differently about Harry-Ginny vs. Ron-Hermione.
Ron and Hermione's relationship is more straightforward. They had tension since Book 1, growing feelings in Book 2, 3, 4, 5 and 6 and will reach the knot in Book 7. Harry and Ginny's relationship is the one full of adventures.
In Book 2 Harry had to save Ginny from Voldemort's murderous plan. But then each of them tried to find love in other persons in Book 4,5,6. Both failed and realized that they are made for each other.
All the feeling of suddenness that Harry realized his love for Ginny had to do with Jo Rowling's theory about boys. Jo apparently believed that boys realize their feelings much later than girls, although the actions may betray the unconscious feeling. Harry didn't really realize his love until book 6, but we read how he often stole a look at Ginny. Otherwise, we won't read about Ginny at all. Take Luna for example. Harry didn't notice her at all until he shared a train compartment with her. Even thereafter, Harry only noticed Luna when she was with Ginny, or when she was the focus of attention of all students (with roaring lion hat). Even Cho was mentioned less than Ginny overall in the Books. Harry likes Ginny as Ron's sister (she is not the kind of "your best friend's annoying sister", but rather "your best friend's nice little sister"). He enjoys most holidays with Ginny around.
Of course watching Ginny growing up, Harry wouldn't immediately see her as "pretty" as other boys do, but he appreciated her company and took pride of capturing Ginny's heart since book 2. The kissing scene with Dean gave Harry a reality check that Ginny can be other boy's girlfriend if he didn't take a more obvious action. Thus, he kissed her in front of all Gryffindors.

I agree completely with you that Harry and Ginny will ultimately be together. After everything is said and done with vanguishing the Darklord, they will finally enjoy their golden days ahead, replacing Harry's golden days with Ron and Hermione.
ginny_girl14
I think that part of the reason Ginny took the break-up so well is that she knew that they can eventually be together again. After Harry finishes what He needs to do. (At least, that's what I'm hoping) ; )
quortimer
They better get back together at the end, providing Harry survives. I care more about them together than harry surviving lol!
but they are so good together .
do you remember when Ginny had a crush on him when she was in year 7? aww
And thier story line amde HBP prince for me
lol i tihnk im obsessed...
muggleview
Looking at the ending of Book 6, and what Jo said in the interviews, Harry Ginny relationship is pretty much predestined:
- Ginny won't die. Harry won't see Ginny's funeral. It's the last thing he ever wanted.
- Harry wanted Ginny to be far from the battle. This means Ginny will somehow be linked to the battle, anyway. We may see Harry and Ginny together in action (vs. Voldemort?)
- Once Voldemort is vanguished, Harry will be back to Ginny.

Other readers have found more. If you do, please post.
mxnhpfreak
I've always liked what you say to describe H/G, muggy.

Harry has always thought (probably unconsciously) that Ginny is -as you said- very taken with him.
He always took for granted the fact that she was "his" in a way.

However, he "decided" not to "take her" because he just thought (consciously) of her as just Ginny, one more Weasley.

The moment he saw her kissing Dean, he understood she was not only Ginny. He realised he had to make a move, knowing now, that she probably was not exactly taken with him.

Of course he didn't react with jaleousy when he found out she was dating Michael or Dean. But it is not the same thing to hear "she is going out with..." as to see her kissing her boyfriend like that.

It was like a slap for Harry ["wait! what's going on?"]. After that, he came to understand that he needed her. He needed to be hers, and not only the acknowledge that she was his.

I don't know if I made much sense there... I think muggleview explains it better lol!

And I don't think Ginny will die, either. I am a firm believer (and also my hopes are there) that the both of them will make it through the war and get together after Voldemort's gone.
goginnygrlpower
Hey
I definitly agree that ginny won't die it would just be too much for harry.
The harry/ginny ship is really very interesting, I have known that she liked him from book one, but at first it was more of a girlish crush. When she took hermione's advice and calmed down, It was really then that she became a possible girlfriend for harry, and in book four were the first real hints at a harry ginny ship, my favorite being her frown when he said that he asked cho to the ball.
I think that Harry made the right choice at the end of six, even though i almost cried more there than when dumbledore died.I am sure that in seven they will get back together,.
The best part of HBP was the end of sectumsempra when they kiss, I was laughing and crying hysterically when I read that part for the first time. That book was really about harry and ginny. Actually, the main ship in the series is harry/ginny, it is not as obvious and commonly used throughout the books as hermy/ron, but first of all, it is about harry, and second, there has been all this buildup, andit is more romantic in my opinion. You could tell from the begining of HBP that it was going to happen in that book! Long live harry/ginny wink.gif
muggleview
QUOTE (Mxnhpfreak)
He always took for granted the fact that she was "his" in a way.
However, he "decided" not to "take her" because he just thought (consciously) of her as just Ginny, one more Weasley.

To put more emphasis on this, Harry was not experienced yet in love and didn't know how to "take her", until he was being taken by Cho Chang. During that period of dating Cho, Harry learned about the other feeling or emotion, which is the romantic surge. He was always fond of Ginny, but didn't know yet whether the feeling contained romantic/physical attraction.
He looked at Ginny more as a protege. Harry seemed to feel responsible for Ginny not being herself when they met at the Burrow. His action to ignore Ginny's silliness and watched around to make sure nobody else saw her mistakes was a reflection of the protective obligation Harry had. As if Harry thought: "She gave me her heart, so I have to make sure it is protected and she won't be embarrassed". However, it's not yet a romantic act from Harry. It's a caring act. The protective gestures continued as Harry decided to give his books given by Lockhart to her, knowing that being the youngest she would most likely end up with the second hand ones, or even worse, taking turn with Ron to use them (to save money). Jo deliberately didn't tell us how Harry reacted to Malfoy's remark about Ginny being his girlfriend. Silence is golden. It tells a lot that Harry DIDN"T object. Moreover, facing his nemesis who he knew already had a companion (Pansy Parkinson), Harry definitely let Draco stand by his acknowledgment. Thus, Draco has his girl, and Harry has his. They are on the same level. And then, as soon as he landed at Hogwarts in Book 2 (after that eventful trip on the flying Ford Anglia), his foremost focus was on the first-years, to be more precise: Ginny Weasley. (Note: he mentioned no other girls!) Facing the possibility of being expelled, his sharp ear noted McGonagall's remark that Ginny was selected into Gryffindor House (undoubtedly, he was as relieved as Ron).
When Ginny was sick, Harry noted her appearance before, during and after taking the medicine (noting who and how it was given). He never described in such detail for other beings. Thus, Harry cared for her.

Now we have to keep in mind. Jo Rowling is an adult woman and she was trying to embed herself into the mind of a teenage boy. As a man passing that period not long ago, I can testify that her portrayal can be said only 60% accurate (my subjective scoring, no standard used, except my own experience). If I were Harry, I would do certain things differently because of my male nature. However, Jo Rowling was a junior high teacher, so she has been observing many boys of that age, and picked the average characteristics to build Harry's character.
Apparently, in Jo's imagination, boys will not recognize romantic actions until they are 15 years old, while girls start about 2-3 years earlier.
Using this rule, we shouldn't expect Harry to response romantically to Ginny in earlier books. Once he learned how to act in romantic way from
Cho Chang, Harry started to know what he had to do to be with Ginny.
For example: with a kiss.

Cheers,
Muggy
aniss_malfoy
ello!! i agree with u lachlan they are the perfect match i've been draming of this couple since i met ginny...i think(i thought very deeply)that the chapter on the 7th book when harry is with the weaskey during bill and fleur's wedding is going to be the longest and harry and ginny are going to live some kind of "forbidden affair"...what do u think? magic.gif

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Alphanumerical
Harry and Ginny: so MADE for each other! After everything that's happened between harry and the weasleys they mesh so well. I was v. happy in book 6 when they got together. Yaya!! happy.gif
mxnhpfreak
I'm afraid this thread has been slightly dead in this last days.... it's time to bring it back to life!

I'm sorry I can't come up with more interesting questions, but I'm trying my best:

I know we've already discussed the possibilities of Ginny following Harry in his adventures, but do you think she will follow him with or without his permission? I mean, do you think he'll accept sooner or later that he needs her, or she will have to almost fight him to let her join?

If Harry doesn't go to Hogwarts, do you think Ginny will pretend to go and then follow him? or she will help from the school until she thinks it's time to follow the trio?

And lastly: We know they're very good friends, and all, but do you think Ginny has ever been jalous of Hermione? As Harry's best friend, she knows a lot of things and she spends lots of time with him, this could trigger some jaleousy in every girl who's interested in Harry. Including Ginny.

That's all for now, I'll let you answer first wink.gif
btw, I think the last one is the most interesting one... I hope you like it biggrin.gif
Just the Droobles
I'm glad someone brought this back to life because I was always so blank when I came in here. rolleyes.gif

Do you think she will follow him with or without his permission?
I think she will go. I think Jo has shown her as strong and free-willed so I think she will insist on going. She cares about each person in the trio. One is her brother, one is her ex-boyfriend potentially her next boyfriend, and the other is her good friend. I definitely thin she'll want to go.

If Harry doesn't go to Hogwarts, do you think Ginny will pretend to go and then follow him? or she will help from the school until she thinks it's time to follow the trio?
Hmm...that's tough. I think Mrs. Weasley would want ginny to go back to Hogwarts. I personally think Harry should go back to Hogwarts. Maybe she would stay at the school so she can keep in touch with the Trio so they can know what's going on and she'll be posted at the school in case anything goes wrong. You know what I'm saying? It might be a good idea to have her back so they can have contact with someone and know what's going on beyond their horcrux hunting. Plus, Ginny could have Luna and Neville there to help her.

Do you think Ginny has ever been jealous of Hermione?
No. And that is a flat out no. I think Ginny and Hermione have talked enough to know who each of them is interested in. If Ginny knew Hermione liked Harry I think we would've heard something about it. We also would've seen some animosity between the two girls. They always hang out together at the Burrow. And from hearing Hermione talk about Ginny, I think they've had some serious talking time. Not to mention all those smug looks and what not Hermione gave Harry when she was clueing in he liked Ginny.

I dunno, maybe it did. Hermione has been a problem with both Ron and Harry's relationships, so there is potential that Ginny may have had a flake of jealousy, but I doubt it.

Awesome questions!! I can't wait to hear other people's answers. And I hope we don't all agree because that would be boring. So I'm waiting!!!!! biggrin.gif
lilypotter76
in my opinion, harry and ginny will stay together, but maintain absolute secrecy about their realtionship (because of voldemort). I think that's really sad, but if they really, truly, love eachother, i think that's what will happen. And if not that, harry will probably spend half of his every waking moments thinking about her, and vice versa.
smee
Wow. I haven't been in here for ages! Lots of catching up to do.

I think Harry will try his hardest to stop Ginny going with them but his heart won't really be in it because some part of him will really want her to be near him and supporting him even though a really big part of him will saying 'no, she could be hurt or killed; it's too dangerous'. So, while he's torn between two conflicting emotions Ginny's heart and head are travelling in the same direction making her much more likely to win the argument.

I put my hands up and say I have no idea about this next one. I can form opinions about stuff when there's something in previous books to base it on but I don't think there's a lot of clues to this one, apart from Harry saying he won't go back to Hogwarts of course! People do change their minds though especially when their being persuaded by others (Mrs Weasley?).

My immediate reaction to this excellent question was 'oh yeah, probably' mainly from personal experience though to be honest rather than anything in the books. There is a bit in OoTP (I think it's OoTP anyway, sorry, I have a really bad memory) when Ginny snaps at Hermione for argueing with Harry, though that doesn't really show jealousy. I don't think Ginny would have been really jealous of Hermione because of what Droobles said basically (I'm too lazy to type it out again wink.gif ). I do think there would be pangs of it there though, especially earlier on when Ginny and Hermione weren't that close. It's natural really, Hermione basically had exactly what Ginny wanted; a close bond with Harry, though later she would obviously have realised that there was nothing going on romantically. But still...if I was her in the back of my mind, in the dark thoughts you don't like to think unsure.gif I'd be thinking that Hermione's been through so much more with Harry than I have, no what I mean?
mxnhpfreak
QUOTE (Just the Droobles @ Apr 19 2006, 12:28 AM)
I'm glad someone brought this back to life because I was always so blank when I came in here. rolleyes.gif

Oh same here! that's why I decided to squeeze my brain and get a couple of questions out of it... we needed discussion... lol!
Ok, time to answer my questions:

Do you think she will follow him with or without his permission?
Sorry Droob, but I will have to agree with smee in this one... hehe (I say sorry because you said it would be boring if we all agreed).
Harry will be probably having an internal battle with himself, wishing that she will follow him while hoping she doesn't, because it's oh so dangerous. (men!)

If Harry doesn't go to Hogwarts, do you think Ginny will pretend to go and then follow him? or she will help from the school until she thinks it's time to follow the trio?
Probably she will obey Harry and go to Hogwarts, but I am guessing that she will get sick of being there practically inactive and she will end up following Harry. Then he will be like: "oh heck! what are you doing here? oh who cares? stay! I love you!" and all that crappy and corny stuff wink.gif

Do you think Ginny has ever been jealous of Hermione?
I have no idea how did I manage to make up this question, but I personally love it (I'm modest, huh?).
I think she knows Hermione only sees him as friend, she might even be truly thankful because it was Hermy who gave her the best advice: be yourself.
However, I have no doubt that there have been times when Ginny just thinks: "why? why can she be with him while I get left behind? I hate her!" Of course she doesn't mean it, Ginny does not hate Hermione. But you will all agree that most of times (if not always) when a girl and a boy are so good friends and they understand each other so well, the people around them immediately think: "those two are dating". And probably, Ginny had heard quite some rumors about Herm and Harry which of course wouldn't be pleasent, would it?
In conclusion and after all that rambling: yes, I think Ginny might have been unconciously (sp?) jaleous of Hermione, although when she stopped to think about it, she realized they're only friends with zero possibility of becoming a couple.

biggrin.gif Thanks for the answers... I wish I could hear, I mean read someone else's too... happy.gif
smee
OK, I had to post in here because it was kicking about really far down the list of threads which just isn't right!

I've always thought that Harry didn't really think out the whole 'I have to break up with you for your own good' thing. I mean, just because they're not 'officially' together Voldermorts still going to know that it's Ginny Harry has the strongest feelings for, let's face it, he's not too good at Occlumency (or however you spell it). His feelings aren't going to disappear just because he forced himself to break up with her.

So, maybe Ginny would actually be safer with Harry as then he can keep an eye on her and, to a certain extent, protect her.

I tried to think of some questions to ask to get the conversation going again in here but I find my mind empty and uncooperative so I wrote all this waffle down instead dry.gif
muggleview
Mxnhpfreak,
Belated reply:
1. Do you think Ginny will follow Harry with or without his permission?
No, I don't think Ginny will follow Harry. Ginny can help tremendously by doing the very thing Harry asked her to do: keep herself out of danger, so Harry can focus his attention and energy to fight Voldemort.
Additionally: will Ginny stand still? I think not. She probably will mobilize the D.A. to support Harry's war when time is come.

2. If Harry doesn't go to Hogwarts, do you think Ginny will pretend to go and then follow him? or she will help from the school until she thinks it's time to follow the trio?
I support the theory that Harry will go back to Hogwarts, not as a regular student, but to confer with Dumbledore (or what Dumbledore left behind, such as his picture) to get information. Ginny will receive instruction from Harry what to do to help while she was attending school at Hogwarts.

3. Do you think Ginny has ever been jealous of Hermione?
Probably. But the jealousy has long been settled, perhaps as early as PoA. When Hermione stayed with the Weasley overnight, most likely she shared a room with Ginny. Judging how they and Mrs. Weasley became giggly the morning after, they must have talked a lot, and one of the most interesting subject was naturally about boys. We have to remember that Hermione stayed because of Ron. She didn't know for sure where Harry was at that time and apparently she didn't seem too enthousiastic when Harry appeared just when she and Ron were enjoying ice-cream together at Fortescue's. Knowing Hermione's intention is her brother, not Harry, Ginny could naturally open up her own intention to her, learning more about Harry from Hermione.
We know that Hermione and Ginny became somewhat inseparable in their spare time in Book 4. When Neville asked Hermione out for Yule Ball, Ginny was with Hermione. So far, there is no reason for Ginny to be jealous of Hermione.

Smee, I agree with you on this
QUOTE(Smee)
I've always thought that Harry didn't really think out the whole 'I have to break up with you for your own good' thing.

Typical boy's short range thinking, his main concern is only "Ginny's safety". But then, it betrays a lot about his feelings to her.
As I posted in "Ginny's characterization" thread, Harry didn't give up on Ginny. He merely postponed their union until Voldemort is disposed. Before then, it's not safe for her to be with him. I think it's very clear from the book, so it's not a wild interpretation. Harry intends to be with Ginny as soon as he finished the case with Voldemort.

Now let's move to book 7 and beyond. What can Harry and Ginny do after that?
I believe Harry will inherit Godric Hollow and live there with Ginny. It looks like the place is somewhat remote in the country, providing a good place for Harry to hide from popularity. Ginny has been living in a place like that (in the Burrow), so she definitely will feel at home there.
Without Voldemort, there will be less life-and-death adventure, but our couple will enjoy practicing Quidditch together, racing to get the snitch. Harry will cut off his connection to the Muggle world, and with Ginny's help, he will get adjusted faster to the life in the Magic world.
As for Grimmauld Place, I have a feeling it will be sold to Ron and Hermione. In Book 5, the couple has meticulously cleaned room after room in that house. They already feel at home there. Besides, it's in London, close to the Ministry, in case Hermione works there and close to the business activities, in case Ron wants to be a businessman. It may be convenient for Hermione's parents to visit as well, as it's in normal urban area.
How is it? Don't be shy to let out your expectation for H/G.


LilyPotter
I cannot wait for book 7 to see what happens with Harry and Ginny. They belong together. She is gettin so darn cute in those movies too!
muggleview
Very true, LilyPotter, and also the one with proven acting skill. Why wouldn't they use a newcomer, like Emma Watson or Kathy Cheung to play Ginny? Why they have to invest in a good child-actress that already has been in a film as Ginny? Her character is complex enough in CoS movie, but I believe the need is still to come. Bonnie Wright was cute as little girl. Now she turns to be a gorgeous teenager, and she can act. I don't think Dan Radcliffe needs special acting skill to fall in love with her.
Just the Droobles
I agree with you about Bonnie being a good person to be playing Ginny, and I really can't wait to see how it all pans out.
But...who is Kathy Cheung? Did you mean Katie Leung? Am I missing something? huh.gif
And I agree about Dan too, but I think he falls in love with every girl. rolleyes.gif What girl does he not appreciate??

Oh, muggleview, I could hug you for your response to #. Do you think Ginny has ever been jealous of Hermione? Man...that was just great. I never really thought about the night Hermione spent the night at the Weasley's and then they were all giggly about a bunch of stuff. I bet that is where Hermione's and Ginny's likings both came out. Well, Ginny, already liked Harry, and it wasn't exactly a secret. But being a teenage girl, I can bet you anything that kind of stuff was discussed. wink.gif
muggleview
Oops, sorry! It's Kathy Leung. Thanks, Just the Droobles.
Also in PoA, actually Hermione stayed overnight at the Diagon Alley, together with the Weasleys.
It's an amazing feat, and a "too obvious" clue. Let's see: the Grangers met the Weasleys for the first time at the beginning of CoA. They had coffee together. We didn't know how much contact they had during the year. And the year after, the Grangers allowed their 13-year old princess to stay with the Weasleys?! If Ginny was Hermione's classmate, it's more understandable. But, Hermione was Ron's classmate. As far as the Grangers know, she is going to stay with Ron's family, not Ginny's (I don't think they noticed Ginny too much, but they definitely knew the Weasleys had a daughter with whom Hermione would share a room). So, as early as PoA, the Grangers has become R/Hr shipper!
--> "Sure, girl, you need to get to know your in-laws early on!" blink.gif

Another point of view: it was Hermione who insisted. Usually it is the daughter who forcefully insists. A normal loving parents cannot bear being separated from their only daughter. They would want to hold her until the last minute, if possible. Especially knowing that in a year or two, they will spend less time with her anyway, as she embarked in her puberty.
Hermione might insist that she would want to spend a night at the Diagon Alley and used the Weasleys as the chaperones. She must have insisted very strongly, that her parents realized they were losing their daughter's heart already. She has given it to a red-haired boy. What can they do? They trusted the Weasleys would take good care of their daughter, so they relented. They only could hope their daughter will have the time of her life as she wished. Apparently Hermione did.
She knew how to get her wish. She knew Ron was anxious to see Harry (boys at that age care more about boys than girls), so she suggested that they went from store to store to find him. What a great idea, Hermione! (sarcastically) Somehow they had to spend half a day, buying their stuffs and visiting every stores there, only two of them alone, until finally having ice-cream together at the Fortescue's. If Ron is like me, he would not be happy going shopping so long. Usually boys don't like shopping, do they? He must have stretched his neck everywhere, sincerely tried to find Harry. I can't say the same about Hermione. Harry couldn't see it in his narrative, but from what he could tell us in the book, I bet Hermione had the time of her life:
- She was not as enthousiastic as Ron to see Harry. Her topic of discussion is about Harry being expelled. (reflecting her intention: "Harry, why don't you just go away. Leave us alone")
- She was beaming to tell Harry that she would spend a night with the Weasleys. (Definitely not counting Harry, because she didn't seem to be very happy to see Harry at first).
- She was still in such a happy state, that she bought hersef a birthday gift, not an owl that she needs, but a red-haired animal she could cuddle, even if nobody else wanted it. We read how Crookshanks was a nuisance for the shopkeeper. Still, Hermione didn't think as brilliantly as she should be and bought him. Speaking about impulsive buying.
If readers can see it, I'm sure Mrs. Weasley could see it through as well. That's why she made sure Hermione was with Ginny and her during the night. Hermione must have been interrogated all night long about her romantic feeling. Ron must have felt uneasy all night long, being the subject of discussion of the 3 ladies in his life. In the morning Hermione was unofficially registered as a Weasley right then. Mrs. Weasley even discussed about her old "sin": making love potion when she was a teenager. Something one only shares with closest family members. That's what made the ladies giggling. Ginny was all for R/Hr. So there is no room for jealousy.
mikipez
ginny and harry 4e i!!!!!!!!! biggrin.gif
i love the scene where harry kiss ginny
bandgeek1o1
I support them dearly. Like how Harry was talking about 'the monster inside him', now that says ohw much he really liked her. How he had to calm the monster, so yeah, they belong together. He had to break up with her though to keep her safe, if anyone knows what I mean smile.gif
goginnygrlpower
I completely support Harry and Ginny, and here is some proof!

I have been formulating the idea that Harry and Ginny will get together since book one, when Ginny was so anxious to see him. I am not sure if she liked him then, but it was definitely foreshadowing at the future. JK never puts things in casually!

In book two, Ginny obviously has a huge crush on Harry but it seems he isn't interested. Ginny is still very young. She will become more mature later! Throughout the book, harry gets to know Ginny a bit better, though she still has a desparate crush on him. wub.gif Obviously her crush gets larger as he saves her from the basilisk. In the movie, i thought the scene where they are in the chamber is alluding to future relationships, and I think that JKR tells the writers a bit so they know what to do.

In PoA, there is not that much of Ginny, just a few times when he was in the Hospital wing, for example, and she gave him the earwiggy flowers. She still seems to have a crush on him

In GoF, it seems that she doesn't like him as much, even though no one draws attention to the fact. This is obviously after Hermione talked to Ginny. Harry gets to know her better because she no longer drops things and runs away when around him. Even though it appears that she stopped liking him, it is in GoF that the first real hints at a Ginny/Harry Relationship appears. There are several things but the one that stood out most to me is when Harry and Ron are dateless, harry mentioned that he asked Cho to the dance and Ginny suddenly stops smiling. She is obciously jealous. It still seems that harry is not interested, indeed he is still preoccupied with Cho.

In OotP, Harry is very busy with CHo, and ginny becomes more of a main character. She is a member of the Gryfindor quidich team after harry is kicked off, and harry is is impressed by her playing. Thoughout the book harry is dating cho, and for the first time, ginny is dating. She still seems to be following Hermy's advice. Ron's anger that she is dating is foreshadowing the troubles harry will have in HBP. Towards the end of the book, when harry is losing interest in cho, there is a conversation between Harry and ginny, where nothing is specificaly said, but something about how they talk is a bit different in my opinion. At the end of OotP, on the Hogwarts express, Ron possibly hints he might be ok with Harry and ginny together.

Ah, HBP. In this book, it is clear from the begginning that Harry likes Ginny. After the general air with wich they interact at the Burrow, the hints escalate when he feels an odd pang of annoyance when Ginny is going to sit with her boyfriend. In potions, he says that he smells something flowery that he might have smelled at the Burrow in the Amortenia, and walking out of class, smells it when Ginny walks next to him. That makes it obvious, because Amortenia shows what you are really attracted to. He sees her kissing Dean in the hallway, and feels as if a monster is inside him. blink.gif It is then that he realizes that he likes her. This feeling increases throughout the book, from hugging her after she crashes into Zackarias, to goosebumps when she picks one of Kreacher's grubs out of his hair, to a swooping sensation when she patts his arm. blush.gif Finally, in the end of The chapter "Sectumsempra", they kiss. hug.gif

For a while, they date, and even though they have to break up for her protection, unsure.gif I firmly believe that once the danger has passed, they will get back together. I personally think that Voldemort already knows about Harry and Ginny, so it is pointless, but, harry did what he thought was right. Harry and Ginny are meant for each other! happy.gif
muggleview
That's a very comprehensive list you presented, goginnygrlpower. What a joy to read. It confirms the trend the author has set for us. Overall, I think Harry & Ginny relationship is the key for the series.
First, the undying love. Something not just built for a day or two, but for 6 years already. The bond is started, as goginnygrlpower wrote, in Book 1. They are the only 2 people have been in physical contact with (being possessed by) Voldemort. Both possess kind of "the force" or special magical power for a latter battle. Hermione's strength is on her intelligence and knowledge of spells (due to her intensive reading), but she was not known to be powerful. She was not good in the battle.
Ginny was very competitive. Not only in Quidditch, but also in the battles. She defeated Draco on a direct fight. She is a great assett for Harry's quest in vanguishing Voldemort.
Pikel
ya, but do u think he will let her come with him???
rainyDay
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ya, but do u think he will let her come with him???


well, i think that ginny isn't a person that gives up easily. she wasn't in the mood of arguing with harry when he told her he had to leave and she also understood him. but i think she will talk to him later and tell him why she thinks she should come with them wink.gif
i think ginny is a very powerful witch and harry will let her come... maybe just if she agrees to some precuation measures or something like that, but i think she will have to do quite something in book 7!

harry and ginny are really cute wub.gif
i, for my part still see them as a couple... just that they can't show it openly, because it is too dangerous. once harry realises ginny is anywhere else in equal danger, he will maybe let her come with them to some 'battles' or who knows what... happy.gif
because -why would LV want to use ginny to get harry. if he has to get her from right under his nose he could as well take harry at once, couldn't he!?
muggleview
QUOTE(Pikel)
ya, but do u think he will let her come with him???

In addition to rainyDay's post, we know from OOP and HBP that Harry didn't have the power to decline Ginny's request. Ginny is still the only one who can pass through Harry's wall of defense and scored. She made Harry said sorry and meant it (the first and the only one time). She didn't flinch at Harry's scold "none of your business" and made Harry accept her and Luna in the plan. She got all six to DoM with Thestral, despite Harry's early reluctance. In short, if you need something from Harry, try to let Ginny ask for it. At the end of HBP, Harry chose to flee before Ginny had a chance to ask something from him. The mere sight of her could have made Harry changed his mind, so he chose to leave her right then. If on the first page of book 7, Ginny decides to confront Harry and says: I'm going with you, then it will prevail.
LilyPotter
Well, it's the usual case of can't-have-what-you-want/want-what-you-can't have, isn't it? Ginny wanted Harry throughout the first part of the series, and he doesn't really notice her that way until she moves on. Then he starts liking her... But can't have her. Then, by the time she is broken up with Dean, he has realized he likes her. Ofcourse, she never really stopped liking Harry... so they get together. Bravo, JK. wub.gif
Just the Droobles
I think Harry liked having Ginny liking him back in the beginning books, but he didn't really catch on. Jo has been doing a lot of the characters emotional maturity stuff in the past couple of books, and that's why I think we're starting to see some feelings change.

I also have an example of Ginny persuasion...when Dumbledore passed, someone was taking him away, and it was Ginny. Harry really loved Dumbledore, and I don't know why he got up and left with Ginny....but he still did. It could be perceived as Ginny being heartless and not letting Harry grieve, but I think she was trying to pull him away from the hubbub of all the people.
muggleview
Harry does have several true friends, but the only one can reach his soul is Ginny. Even when he was under the vibe of Cho, small news about Ginny (having a boyfriend) could pass into his soul (in OOP).
Following Jo Rowling's perception of boys, Harry was slow to realize his feeling to Ginny. That is one of the glaring problems with a female author writing as a male boy. In reality (mine, at least) boys may not be that slow in realizing the feelings, but they are slow to take action for it. Mostly because of insecurities. I believe a boy can identify the suitable girl early on, but took time to make it happen. In case of Harry Potter, it's a bit too unbelievable that Harry didn't have opinion on Ginny until Book 6. However, this is a fiction and a detective-story like series. I think Jo did it on purpose to delay the revelation of H/G until later, because it has significant connection to the book 7 climax.
wandy
hopefully JK won't keep us in suspense much longer to let us know! (does anyone know when the 7th book is comin out by the way?)


anyway back to the harry/ ginny relationship

JK, i hope, will put us all out of our misery soon and tell us that harry and ginny will be more than just friends but won't be (if you know what i mean) and that ron and hermione will get together
LilyPotter
Well, she did already do that, didn't she? Harry and Ginny were already dating... and Ron/Hermione, well, if we haven't caught on by now... blink.gif

Anyways, Harry obviously knew that Ginny liked him in the first few books, because Ron told him. Repeatedly.

He knew, he just didn't realize her potential. It was like in GOF when Hermione came down the stairs for the Yule Ball... JK painted this sort of, pubescent realization that she had grown up. She was a woman now, and it was sort of like a huge anvil being dropped on everyone.

I think that is what happened with Ginny. Granted, it was slightly more gradual, but it took an event like her dating Dean for Harry to realize just how much she had grown up, and the wonderful woman she had become. wub.gif
Just the Droobles
Aah, I don't think Harry never realized his feelings for Ginny.

He was always very conscious of her. No matter how stupid she made herself look while she was in front of him, and she usually did make herself look stupid, he never thought, "Gee, Ginny is such a klutz. What a terrible sister Ron has." or "Ohmigod, her nasty elbow was just in that butter I was going to use..." He never saw her actions as silly and never looked down on her.

Up until the sixth book, he had never been confronted with Ginny fancying another boy than himself. Subconsciously, maybe he did like her liking him, but it never registered with him. You can see his interbal battle in HBP because he thought those feelings were because Ginny was Ron's sister and he felt like a big brother to her. But I don't think those were brotherly feelings...
muggleview
In my opinion Harry took it for granted that Ginny would always be taken with him. For a boy who never got respect for the first 11 years of his life, Ginny's adoration to Harry boosted Harry's confidence tremendously, especially as Harry understands Ginny likes him as he is. However, being a boy, he didn't know how to react or to response to her about it, other than being proud. Michael Corner didn't pose too much problem, because he and Ginny didn't seem to click well, in Harry's eyes (as Harry keenly observed during DADA sessions). Meanwhile, Harry also had Cho in his mind, so he didn't think much of it. In HBP Harry realized that Dean and Ginny already had an advanced relationship (that is, with kissing). That's where an alarm was off somewhere in him: "This has gone too far". So Harry grabbed Ginny as soon as he had the gut, only to realize he was not ready to put her in danger with him.
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