Just the Droobles
Feb 24 2006, 10:10 PM
Hey,
muggleview, nice to see you in here.
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| Do you really think that Ron is going to die?? |
Yes I really do. Recall in Prisoner of Azkaban when they had 13 at the table. The first to get up will die. They didn't say when. I know Harry and Ron both got up at the same time, but seeing as I don't believe Harry is going to bite it, I think it will be Ron. Plus, it has always been emphasized that Ron is Harry's most favorite person ever. (Second task, Triwizard tournament, how he was sad because Ron spent all his time with Lavlav, and so on), and Harry even told Ginny he didn't want to take her because Voldemort would use the people he was closest too. Okay, getting back to the topic now.
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| My theory is that she will confront Harry at the wedding in the summer, and then she will either come with them, or do something major in the end. |
I think the wedding will play a major part in what happens with Harry and Ginny. They will be forced to watch two people in love getting married, and there will be dancing, and romance..... The wedding just set it up nice for them I think. I kind of hope Ginny goes along with them, because if Hermione or Ron die, I don't think they can defeat Voldemort with only two people. Plus, I just like Ginny anyway, so I'm all for her tagging along.
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| First, she's not of age so she is not allowed to do magic outside Hogwarts. |
That hasn't stopped some people... I think Ginny is a very capable witch, and I think we can expect a lot out of her. I don't recall how she did in the DA...was she any good? Course Harry was too busy focusing on that smelly Cho, so he probably didn't notice too much, therefore, we don't get to know. And I think that a lot of rules will be thrown out the window in this next book. I mean, come on. You can't have such restrictions when you are trying to kill someone. I wouldn't be surprised if instead of teaching regular classes at Hogwarts they taught defense and good blasting spells and stuff. The kids need to be prepared, you know?
About the Apparating, I'm pretty sure Harry could have it by then, and knowing Hermione, she'll definitely have it, so Ginny can just hang on. And if none of them can do it, than Ginny won't be able to do it either, so she really wouldn't be at a disadvantage.
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| I have been promoting the idea that Harry Potter series is actually an autobiography by Harry himself, written long after all of the things in 7 books took place. |
Interesting thought, but I will contradict by saying if it was a autobiography of Harry writing about himself, why would it be written in third person? Most autobiographies are written from that person's point of view, so it would be in first person if Harry was writing it. Plus, how would he know all the stuff like what Dumbledore and McGonagall were doing on That Night, and the Other Minister, and then in Spinner's End? Good thought, well backed up, but I think that theory has a few holes. But if it was that way, it would explain why we didn't really see and Harry Ginny moments.
Well, that's my five cents worth. Everybody seems to only put in two, so I'll raise the pot and put in five.
freezing
Feb 25 2006, 07:19 AM
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| I don't recall how she did in the DA...was she any good? Course Harry was too busy focusing on that smelly Cho, so he probably didn't notice too much, therefore, we don't get to know. |
She was so damn good
Surely better than 'smelly' Cho (I love that word ahaha) that was keeping to get her friend burned

just because Harry passed by.
Not that Harry was smarter than her on that occasion.
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And I think that a lot of rules will be thrown out the window in this next book. I mean, come on. You can't have such restrictions when you are trying to kill someone. I wouldn't be surprised if instead of teaching regular classes at Hogwarts they taught defense and good blasting spells and stuff. The kids need to be prepared, you know?
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Yes, if they will still have a school safe enough to get back to, now that it is not the safest place in the world anymore.
Otherwise I don't think they'll be so naive and don't get themselves ready to fight over the summer.
Harry taught them Defence in his fifth year and maybe he'll do that again, but he certainly will need some help. McGonagall's surely helping. Moody as well and of course the rest of the Order.
Oh well..let's get back to topic.
I think Ginny and Harry will have some time over the summer to think about their relationship and how are going to change their lives from now on.
Maybe Harry will figure out that Ginny is one to keep close to and not trying to protect her whatever it takes.
She will join him anyway, so there's no point for him trying to stop that.
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| Plus, I just like Ginny anyway, so I'm all for her tagging along. |
She loved Harry from the first time she saw him, never even knowing who he was..She's so sweet and strong. I'm definitely supporting her as well!
Capricorn
Feb 25 2006, 05:40 PM
They are made for each other and it's real. I realised this when Harry told Ginny that they would have to wait.
"...and he knew that at that moment they understood each other perfectly, and that when he told her what he was going to do now, she would not say 'Be careful' or 'Don't do it', but accept his decision, because she would not have expected anything less of him."
Ginny loves and respects Harry for who he is (and the hero he is) for much more solid reasons than e.g. Cho and Romilda Vane. She wants him to be who he has to be, not for fame or her own safety, but so that he could know in the end that he fulfilled his destiny. It's the only way that Harry will be able to live in peace with himself.
Harry loves her enough to sacrifice his precious time with her so that she will escape Voldemort's cunning. We shouldn't forget that she, Ron and Hermione are the only people left who love him as though he were family. Hagrid, Lupin and the rest love him too, but peers have a much greater influence in one's life. That's a huge sacrifice he makes on her behalf even if it causes him pain.
Harry and Ginny aren't romantic fools, who want to escape into the sunset. They are both determined and focused on the present and the dangers it holds. They have remained friends through very difficult times - I am sure their relationship would stand firm through everything else.
mxnhpfreak
Feb 28 2006, 08:52 PM
Hello!
Well, I'm sorry I haven't drop by anymore in the last few days... I really don't have excuse... However I've seen very interesting posts here... But I think it's been almost three days since anyone comes her to post, so I guess I can give this thread a bit of life with a question that just popped into my head...
Ok, this is the thing: I was reading fan fiction and there's one that really called my attention.
It was a Harry/Ginny fic (like every good fic... lol just kidding) where they have a conversation about their relationship after HBP. She asks him to take her with the trio, but he says he can't, then she says something that I would have never thought of: She tells him that she could be a Horcrux!
I think that was slightly off-topic, but my question is:
If Ginny was a Horcrux... how would it affect her relationship with Harry and if she was, then she would have to be... well... killed in order to finish Voldie off. Obviously, Harry couldn't do it, so... do you think he would be able to choose between Ginny's life and Voldemort's defeat?
I, for one, do not believe Ginny could be a Horcrux, but I found this theory a bit interesting.
How could she be a Horcrux? well, the fic said:
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She nodded. “Yeah. You destroyed Tom’s diary, but not before he’d poured himself into me for months. I’m still, erm, aware of him nattering at me from time to time. I mean, maybe it’s just my imagination, but—“
“No,” Harry said, emphatically. “It couldn’t be. If that were so, I would be too—he left part of himself in me when he tried to kill me the first time.”
Again she shrugged, and parted her hair slightly. “Maybe. But it could be that, in order to kill the [insert nasty word], you’re going to have to—“
“No!” Harry barked. “It can’t be. I couldn’t.”
“Maybe not, but I’d rather die than let Tom win.” Both eyes revealed now, her gaze froze him. |
Opinions, please?
Just the Droobles
Feb 28 2006, 10:29 PM
Well, I'm thinking that theory is a little...not good in my opinion. Interesting thought, but I think what happened to her is the same exact thing that happened to Harry. Voldemort transferred powers to Harry through the AK. Voldemort tranferred powers to Ginny by possesing her. Plus, why Voldemort would want to put a horcrux in Ginny...I don't know. Can anybody tell me why he might do that?
But what if Harry did take Ginny? They have both seen the workings of Voldemort's mind. Perhaps it would be to Harry's advantage to bring her along. I wonder if there is some way they could use that against him. Do you think Harry would benefit or lose if he took Ginny along?
ginny_and_ harry_4ever
Mar 1 2006, 10:55 AM
I think that Harry and Ginny should stay I mean because Voldemort already knows of their relationship with Draco and Snape at the school so shes would still be in danger....
Harry really needs her... Their meant to be...
GINNY AND HARRY 4EVER!!!!
mxnhpfreak
Mar 2 2006, 03:42 PM
| QUOTE (Just the Droobles @ Feb 28 2006, 10:29 PM) |
| Well, I'm thinking that theory is a little...not good in my opinion. Interesting thought, but I think what happened to her is the same exact thing that happened to Harry. Voldemort transferred powers to Harry through the AK. Voldemort tranferred powers to Ginny by possesing her. Plus, why Voldemort would want to put a horcrux in Ginny...I don't know. Can anybody tell me why he might do that? |
Well, I said I didn't believe it... I just thought it was a bit interesting...

But anyways if we take the theory as a possibility, of course LV wouldn't make a Horcrux of Ginny... maybe the author of he fic meant that, accidentally, and by pouring himself into her, she might have a bit part of his soul inside her and that, would make her a Horcrux... wouldn't it?
Oh whatever...

I just thought we needed something new to talk about... lol!
However, and forgive for insisting... I'd like to hear some thoughts about my question
If Ginny was a Horcrux... how would it affect her relationship with Harry and if she was, then she would have to be... well... killed in order to finish Voldie off. Obviously, Harry couldn't do it, so... do you think he would be able to choose between Ginny's life and Voldemort's defeat?
smee
Mar 2 2006, 04:20 PM
Woohoo! My first post. Come on me!
Anyway, more to the point; I've always felt in my bones that Harry and Ginny belong together and all these posts have just put it all into words perfectly, much better than I could have done. Brilliant!
silverstag
Mar 2 2006, 07:23 PM
well, to tell you the truth i started to get curious in the 5th book when harry started to notice ginny a little more than usual.but if this ship ever set sail i knew it would be a good one.but most unfortunately it didn't work that great.yes,they got along,but at the end harry realized that voldy had used people in the past to punish his foes and weaken the strong,eg,harry.but in the last book i think harry will realize what he has done and go back to her and they will proably be happy,until harry and voldy meet atleast.
Just the Droobles
Mar 2 2006, 09:42 PM
Hey, smee, welcome to the forums! Hope you are finding your way around all right and if you have questions you can contact me or another prefect! Glad to see you here!!
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| Well, I said I didn't believe it... I just thought it was a bit interesting... |
Yes, I know, I was just saying I didn;t like it either. But it is good you brought something up to talk about.
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| If Ginny was a Horcrux... how would it affect her relationship with Harry and if she was, then she would have to be... well... killed in order to finish Voldie off. Obviously, Harry couldn't do it, so... do you think he would be able to choose between Ginny's life and Voldemort's defeat? |
Hmm...I dunno really. I think he would be xtremely upset becuase he wouln't know how to get the horcrux and then he would realize what it would take and then he'd be sad.I think it would be tough on anybody if they found out someone they knew was a horcrux. Because we really don;t know what it would take for someone to get rid of a horcrux inside them or out do we? But good question...
smee
Mar 5 2006, 09:51 AM
I think Ginny will play an important role in the 7th book, much larger than her involvement in the previous 6 books, but I don't think she is a horcrux, it just doesn't seem to fit. Would Dumbledore have warned Harry that one of the Horcruxes could be a person? I can't remember exactly what he said about them now. Personally I think the diary was the Horcrux and it was destroyed, end of. Hopefully anyway...
mxnhpfreak
Mar 6 2006, 03:43 PM
I don't remember Dumbledore saying that a person could be a Horcrux, now that I come to think of it.
Anyways... as I see that nobody could possibly believe the Horcrux theory, let's just drop it and pretend I never asked ok? *blushes*
I don't even know what happened to me (it's not like I actully believe it, I have to make that clear... I thought it was not possibly, too), I guess I was just kind of desperate to bring something new to talk about.
I guess we can all go back to the old questions:
Will Ginny play a more important role? Will Harry take her to the Horcrux hunting? Is Ginny the key, or part of it, to defeat Voldemort?
etc, etc...
I still believe that knowing Tom Riddle as she does, and brave as she is, she can't be left out. She needs to be included in the book, at least in some important part... even if she is not in all the book, but at least in the final battle or something.
However, I'd like to discuss something else, something new.
Droobles!! You're supposed to be our official "Devil's Advocate"! Help!
ILoveHarryPotter07
Mar 6 2006, 04:35 PM
Hey!!!!
I have always somehow supported H/G...because they are absolutly PERFECT!!!

I think that she is going to play a bigger part in the 7th book..and I think that even thought she is underaged she will go with Harry, because she seems like she isn't willing to sit at home uninvolved while everyone around her is helping Harry in some way. But I don't think that Harry is going to give up and let her go...so there may be a fight between them but in my oppinion Ginny will win. Because she knows that no matter what NO ONE is safe anymore so her going could still put her in more danger but how much more....I mean her whole family is in the Order so shes not exactly a non-target. And Voldemort will probably already know about them through Snape and Draco so its not as though hes protecting her by not being with her. I also think that the wedding will be a huge factor for Harry and Ginny because that week or that day will probably be the first time they meet seince they broke up. So in the beginning I think its gunna be aquard between them...but I mean when your at a wedding your going to see love..so who knows...I hope that they will get together.

But I think that to survive the war with Voldy he will ultimately need Ginny because Dumbledore has always said that love is his greatest advantage over Voldy because he cannot love at all. So with Ginny's love I think that will make him stronger.
Some weird things I noticed pretty recently is that the story line of him not being able to be with Ginny is a bit like Spiderman the movie because he tells Mj they cant be together because hes Spiderman....what do you guys think?
Another weird thing is that Ginny is decribed a lot like Lily Potter is decribed....I think that maby JKR is trying to tell us somthing...I hope that Harry and Ginny don't come to the same end as James and Lily though...that would be really upsetting.

What do you think about the resembelence thing coidence or not??
Well thats all of my thoughts on it for now! Hope I didn't bore you all!!
Courtney
Just the Droobles
Mar 6 2006, 11:37 PM
*sigh* Ah, being Devil's Advocate is no easy task. Must...think...of terrible...topic!!!
And geez mxnhpfreak, I don't know what you are talking about when you say that horcrux theory. Nobody in here brought that up...*wink*wink*nudge*nudge*
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| But I think that to survive the war with Voldy he will ultimately need Ginny because Dumbledore has always said that love is his greatest advantage over Voldy because he cannot love at all. So with Ginny's love I think that will make him stronger. |
But as I've said before, how much do we really need Ginny? He has been after Voldemort since he killed his parents, and his parents love is very strong. He loves Ron more than anything (friendly matter there). He loves Hermione (AS A Friend!!) and he basically loves the Weasley family. He loves Sirius and he loves Dumbledore, and both of them died more or less because of Voldemort. So how much is Ginny really needed? Doesn't Harry have enough love? He has gone for five years without her, so is she really important? (

)
And think about this: If Ron was going to suggest that Ginny was a bit...easy with her guys...what if she could be easily swayed while Harry is gone? I'm not real sure how many guys she has dated, but her relationships don't seem to last long. Will her and Harry have the same fate?
Devilly enough?
smee
Mar 7 2006, 10:53 AM
LOL. Nice try Droobles.

Ginny's prior relationships didn't last long because her true feelings were for Harry. Hermione said herself she told Ginny to relax around Harry, maybe date some other guys and whataya know, it worked!
Love for friends is extremely strong and important but romantic love is a completely different matter. Now that Voldy has taken some of Harrys blood and can touch him (which he couldn't do in the first book) you have to wonder how powerful the protection Harrys mother left with him really is now. I think Harrys definitely gonna need Ginny, as another brave person who's had first hand experience in fighting the dark arts to help him in his search and he's also going to need the love between them. Lets face it he needs all the help he can get!
Capricorn
Mar 7 2006, 08:01 PM
Droobles, that was really well done! Problem with this thread is that everyone agrees. I mean we could never disagree on the basic topic, so ... wait a minute, did I say problem?
Anyway, I think Ginny will be important. She has already been in crucial times, like when Harry thought he was being posessed in book6. She could tell him what it was like etc. She is actually the only one of his friends to have met LV now (or at least been directly in contact with a bit of him

). Let alone being possesed by him!
Hey, think about it, has LV ever been mentioned as being in the presence of any other character that is still alive! Except at the ministry, but wasn't that just fleetingly? Everybody showed up just in time to see him vanish (am I remebering right?) Or better worded, has anyone we know ever survived a conversation with LV? (except the D-E's of course)
So no-one else knows exactly what Harry is facing - except Ginny!
mxnhpfreak
Mar 7 2006, 09:07 PM
| QUOTE (Just the Droobles @ Mar 6 2006, 11:37 PM) |
Devilly enough?  |
yes, indeed...
I love you, Droobles! lol! now that's something to talk about.. unlike some *ahem*
weird theories...
Anyways... I wanted to say something about the "her relationships don't seem to last long" part.
As far as we are concerned... she and Michael were dating for a few months, and I could dare to say almost a year, weren't they? I mean it was not like they'd last ages, but I think that when you're 14-15-16 even 17 years old relationships that last more than a couple of months seem 'long'.
As for Dean, they were together since the ending of book five (or at least that's what we know) and remained like that until the.. let's say middle? of book 6. That's be like say 5 months or so? That's a fairly long time, or at least it is for me...
Maybe I'm just insane.
Besides, smee got a point there: she didn't really care for either of them because she never forgot Harry. So no wonder why her relationships didn't seem to last.
Oh and smee also mentioned another important thing. While I don't doubt there's loads of people who love Harry and who he can love, I do believe that 'romantic' love is something different and, somehow, more powerful.
I also liked what you, Capricorn, said: Ginny is the only one that has ever been 'face-to-face' with Voldie.
She knows his thoughts (or at least some of them) and she can come in handy when the moment of the last battle arrives
Just the Droobles
Mar 7 2006, 09:51 PM
Ah, yes, true about the thing where she had feelings for Harry but was just dating others to get him out of her head. You obviously couldn't have the strongest relationship possible with someone if you were always thinking about someone else. And now that you mention it, I guess Ginny's relationships haven't been that short. I guess they just seemed short you know? Really, her shortest relationship was with Harry, right? That's odd...the person she needs to be with from now on was the person she lasted the shortest amount of time with!!
And Ginny does have her plusses since she is the only one besides Harry who has been up against LV. I think she made that clear in book five if I am recalling correctly. Maybe it wouldn't be as tough for her to face Voldemort, unlike Ron and Hermione who are just now beginning to actually say his name.
And, yes, romantic love is way different than family love. But which one is more powerful? The books have been based around family love, so again, is Ginny's love necessary?
Hmm...so would you want a whole bunch of romantic scenes in the next book? I mean, do we want to see Harry trying to defeat Voldemort or snogging with Ginny? (I know some of us other shippers are waiting for some other romantic scenes

) But does everyone in here actually care if we see any of that between Harry and Ginny?
ILoveHarryPotter07
Mar 7 2006, 10:01 PM
Hey again...humm...
I think Smee has a really good point..I think that her relationships didn't last long because she was in love with Harry. I think that the real purpose of these relationships were to try to forget Harry and find someone else that she feels the same about. So they don't last long because she realized that she doesnt feel that way about anyone but him because she can't..or somthing like that. And like you all said romantic love is different that family love.
hope that made sense...
Courtney
*michelle*
Mar 8 2006, 06:20 AM
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And, yes, romantic love is way different than family love. But which one is more powerful? The books have been based around family love, so again, is Ginny's love necessary?
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I really think romantic love is as much powerful as family love, but in a different way. I'm going to try to explain. Your family is a comfort during your whole life, when you have a family of course, but Harry has managed to find a substitute family, but romantic love is much more than comfort and help, it makes your life brighter. You can have a loving family which you also love, but you can be unhappy in the same time. When something is wrong with your family, you feel really bad but when something is wrong with your lover, life gets so much darker. There's a part oh happiness in your life that can only be given by a romantic love.
That's why Ginny will play an important role in Harry's life.He felt happy with her, he was living "something out someone else's life", i don't remember exactly. He just confessed that he couldn't imagine more happiness in his life than when he was with Ginny. I think he will want to find this happiness again.
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| Hmm...so would you want a whole bunch of romantic scenes in the next book? I mean, do we want to see Harry trying to defeat Voldemort or snogging with Ginny? |
I personnally don't want too much romantic scenes between both of them because it could ruined the scenes where Harry goes for the hunting of the horcruxes or even the final battle. We've known, since the beginning, that book seven was meant to tell the final battle and not Harry's love life. However, since i believe Ginny will play an important part in Voldemort's defeat (if it happens of course), I think there will besome romantic scenes between them, because there hasn't been much in HBP.
smee
Mar 8 2006, 08:43 AM
| QUOTE (Just the Droobles @ Mar 7 2006, 09:51 PM) |
| Hmm...so would you want a whole bunch of romantic scenes in the next book? I mean, do we want to see Harry trying to defeat Voldemort or snogging with Ginny? ... But does everyone in here actually care if we see any of that between Harry and Ginny? |
In HBP I found all the relationship stuff really amusing, it was done in a kind of comedy of errors sort of way (or is that just me?) which fitted with their age and immaturity and I found it a pleasing distraction from the harder stuff in the book but if there'd been much more 'WonWon'ing I'd have started to get annoyed with it.
So, I think JK's got a hard job balancing how much ship stuff she puts in the next book and making sure the 'proper' story is told properly. If there's none I won't be happy (

) and if theres too much I won't be happy either (not an easy person to please).
What I really want to see is everyone sorting themselves out and getting with the people they're
meant to be with (I think we know what couples I'm talking about). In other words no more running around snogging randoms willy nilly (

) and a slightly more grown up approach to the ships from the characters (I know they're not very old but they need to mature a lot faster than normal considering the stuff they have been/will be facing).
And Droobles; don't tell me you don't want to see a bit of action between Harry and Ginny
Just the Droobles
Mar 8 2006, 09:30 PM
Yes, I think JKR did a brilliant job in balancing the ships and the action. Some people thought it was too much because of Won-Won and Lav-Lav, but I rather enjoyed it all. It's like you said, it is teenage love so it is a bit tense and weird and it has its weird moments. Like, I can just picture that Harry/Ginny scene where one of them trips and it just gets really odd or something. I'm just one of those people who thinks that's really funny. Anyways...
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| And Droobles; don't tell me you don't want to see a bit of action between Harry and Ginny |
Oh...I never said I didn't want to see any...I'm actually quite looking forward to all of it...
smee
Mar 8 2006, 09:50 PM
You know why we're off topic? I'll tell you. Because Harry and Ginny are such a perfect couple, and so obviously going to end up together (unless one of them dies of course) that we don't find the need to constantly keep confirming this. Unlike some ships that need some seriously long and complex explanations just to make them feasible

. Smee: proud to be off topic
Just the Droobles
Mar 9 2006, 11:19 PM
Well, we arent really off topic, but we are on the side roads a bit. But as long as we all stay generally on the subject we'll be okay.
Did Harry ever go back and see all the Weasleys besides Ron after he and Ginny had finally gotten together? I don't remember...but if they didn't, what do you think all of their reactions would be? Would they squeal and pinch their cheeks or just say FINALLY!!
ILoveHarryPotter07
Mar 9 2006, 11:31 PM
Hey, Just the Droobles,
I dont think he say the Weasleys after he and Ginny got together...I think they knew but..the book never says anything about them seeing Harry and Ginny together... I think if Mrs. Weasley knew she would be so EXCITED she would be like..OMG..its soo wonderful and everyone would be happy because it would be like Harry being closer family then he already is and Mrs. Weasley loves him and thinks he a good little boy so I dont think so would object.
Courtney
mxnhpfreak
Mar 10 2006, 04:18 PM
I have been wondering that a lot lately...
I don't think they saw them, but let's see... if they know or if they'd know, these would be their reactions (IMHO):
Mr. Weasley: a dad is always very protective of his daughters, specially if she's the youngest and even more when she is the only girl. So I believe he would be a bit annoyed, but glad that it is Harry and no one else he doesn't know anything about.
Mrs. Weasley: I've always thought she and Ginny have a good relationship because they're the only women in a house full of testosterone, so maybe Molly already knew of her crush on Harry, which makes me think that she'd be thrilled to know her daughter was finally dating her "charming prince".
Fred & George: we all saw their behaviour at their joke shop, and how interested they were in finding about Ginny's love life. I can clearly picture them as the kind of big brothers who would share their mischieveous time and adventures with Ginny, but would be definitely worried for her when it comes to danger or relationships.

So I think they'd be a bit uneasy, but eventually they'd get used to it and they may even start to tease the "lovers".
Bill: We don't really know much about him (as well as Charlie) but I think that, because of the age difference, he could be like a second father to Ginny. Something like me an my 5 year old sister (I am 18). Yet, he, as a brother, would like to be the one who keeps Ginny's secrets and supports her... and lastly, he has found love at last, so I believe he'd try to be nice to her and Harry.
Charlie: I imagine he could act... er.. something between Fred & George's behaviour and Bill's. He could be a bit annoyed, but again, he's Harry Potter, the boy who lived and the one who's saved half his family, the boy her sister has been in love with for so long and his brother's best friend.
Percy: who's Percy? is he a Weasley? (lol! just kidding)
And Ron... well we all know what was he like so no reason to keep annoying you with my nonsense babbling...
~Claudia
muggleview
Mar 11 2006, 04:02 AM
Hi all, good to read your interesting postings. I have been a bit unmotivated lately. Have been done rereading of book 6 with a number of discussion partners. A bit disappointed that all came to agreement that it's going to be Harry and Ginny (including from all H/other girls shippers). Apparently there will be no more hefty debates until Book 7 is out.
One of the big let down is when we closely shredded the parting scene between Harry and Ginny at the end. Okay, they parted. But why and how?
1. Harry started by noticing the "blazing" in Ginny's eyes. Something that earlier made him out-of-control and kissed her for the first time. Thus, Harry didn't let go that feeling.
2. Unspoken confidence in mutual understanding. Isn't it usualy reserved only for "soulmates"? Harry never demanded loyalty from Ginny, because he never doubt Ginny's commitment. Ginny's always there every time he needed to see and he never felt she was going to be other man's except for that "damned" kissing moment with Dean. Harry described this in detail before he decided to breakup. Can it be real? or he thinks he still can pull the string anytime in the future.
3. "Best source of comfort". That's not something one can easily find in the world and nothing easy to let go. Readers should have big doubt that Harry really wanted the breakup.
4. Ginny's funeral. That's the biggest issue in Harry's mind. He doesn't mind Hermione laid down her life for him, or any other girls. Harry just couldn't bear to attend Ginny's funeral. Doesn't that mean he wants her to live forever?
5. 6. etc. y'all can feel the blanks. There are still plenty to write.
Thus, Harry left Ginny because he LOVES her. We know Ginny still loves Harry. Now we only need to see how Jo would want them to be together. Having a family? Beyond the veil? In heaven?
At the end, the case is closed for book 6. Harry and Ginny are meant to be together.
Of course everything is still possible in Book 7.
Last time I left an incomplete explanation about the autobiography theory.
[QUOTE=Just the Droobles]
Interesting thought, but I will contradict by saying if it was a autobiography of Harry writing about himself, why would it be written in third person? Most autobiographies are written from that person's point of view, so it would be in first person if Harry was writing it. Plus, how would he know all the stuff like what Dumbledore and McGonagall were doing on That Night, and the Other Minister, and then in Spinner's End?
The complete theory is that the autobiography of Harry Potter was accidently found by J.K. Rowling in the muggleworld. She likes it, did further research and then published it with Harry in third person's view.
However, almost all is from Harry's view, except for some information that J.K. Rowling added based on her research, including a memoir of the (muggle) Prime Minister, which she placed in the first chapter of the sixth installment, a note from Prof. McGonagall about the day she saw Harry arrived at Privet Drive, the diary of Aunt Petunia and some other
people. Well, you can expand the theory if you want.
Cheers,
Muggy
Capricorn
Mar 11 2006, 01:31 PM
About the autobiography thing. There is a word for this, but I can't think of it now - something in the line of partly/limited omniscient third person narrator. Or something.
Anyway, it works exactly like HP does. The third person narrator is used, but the story is told through certain characters eyes (mostly Harry, but also like the Prime Minister). In scenes like the Riddle house or Spinner's End, the story is told from an observer's point of view.
Generally, we only know what Harry thinks and feels. If Hermione or Ron or Ginny felt something, we would only know it if Harry observed it. That's why we don't know if Snape is good or not - we never enter his or Dumbledores thoughts (and I'm not talking about the pensieve,

cause even then it's Harry doing all the observing).
Anyway, so all the text that is not dialogue is a version of Harry's thoughts. Stream of conscience - I think that's it! (the word I was looking for...) So if we read about what Harry thinks and feels for Ginny, it's true and it's definitely his own opinion.
So yeah, muggleview, it comes down to being a third person autobiography!
It's true what you said, she is always put forward in a positive light. Even her 'many-boyfriend-ishness' is mostly seen sympathetically or conveniently ignored - exactly what Harry would do if he was truly in love with her.
smee
Mar 11 2006, 04:38 PM
I never thought that it could be an autobiography, though it is an interesting theory. I can't see the book ending with the minds eye pulling back and seeing Harry finishing writing or telling his story when he's older. That just doesn't feel like JK's direction, I don't know why. But hey, what do I know, anything's possible in the 7th book, that's what was so clever about Dumbledore dying in HBP, it just blows the whole thing wide open.
mxnhpfreak
Mar 11 2006, 07:47 PM
I'd like to show, once again, my approval of muggy's post...
and I do find the autobiography theory quite interesting, to be honest.
Although I can't truly believe it, it is a good way to explain or to make clear how everything (or almost everything) is seen from Harry's Point of View.
That's something very important while theorizing ships stuff, because there you can see what he sees and you can get to understand what does he feels towards everyone around him.
He clearly didn't show any romantic interest in Ginny until HBP, but he never saw anything bad in her, so I think that is a plus in our shipping theory.
He has seen lots of bad things in other girls: the weirdness of Luna, which could be a bit frightening sometimes; the bossing in Hermione, a bit annoying at times; the excess of sensitivity in Cho... I have no comments...

and the upsetting stalking of Romilda Vane... to mention some of them.
But the least nice thing he's seen in our Ginny is her shyness... and that is not something nasty or annoying, that's something sweet -- hmm... maybe a bit weird for him, considering the low self-esteem he was put under by the Dursleys, but still sweet.
Capricorn
Mar 11 2006, 08:42 PM
I'm not a supporter of the autobiography theory, I think it's simply a writing technique. The effect is the same though, just depends how you want to look at it. It's a common way of writing actually, because it allows the reader to become sort of the main characters' biographer and personal critic while still being kept in his confidence. Almost like his concience or something.
It's as if we had special rights to his thoughts. We have inside info without intruding on his privacy. It fits with his character. Harry is too closed to blabber on about his thoughts like in the first person or in a diary or whatever. But he has close friends in whom he confides - we as readers join that previleged few, even more so because we know almost everything about him, especially when he doesn't want Ron and Hermione to know something.
So this way we know him well enough to understand him best but we can still distance ourselves from him and his actions, and have our own opinion about it. 'S far as I'm concerned it's as simple as that, but of course everyone is entitled to their own opinion, so I won't say the autobiography is wrong or that I'm right. To each his own...

But it doesn't change to the fact that Harry's point of view favours Ginny, so sorry for the slightly off-topic post.
nutz4dan93
Mar 12 2006, 07:15 AM
HARRY/GINNY FOREVER BECAUSE J.K. ROWLING SAID SO!!
Quality Quidditch Supplies
Mar 12 2006, 12:35 PM
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RWDM
Mar 13 2006, 08:57 PM
Alrighty, why do I like Harry/Ginny... Well, I've always found it cute how Ginny had a crush on Harry in the earlier books. I got sad after Ginny started to go out with other people, and I was convinced that she got over Harry. Imagine how happy I was when Harry started to imagine himself with Ginny!
As much as I love this couple however, I don't believe it will last. I've got this whole story in my head how Harry will break any contact with everyone who meant something to him and disappear (that is unless he actually dies in the 7th book.) Ginny will be heartbroken and she'll wait a number of years, but then finally move on.
If my theory doesn't happen, then I believe they'll just break up during the war because of circumstances, and still remain close.
the bEast
Mar 14 2006, 05:53 PM
the most fanbloodytastic couple ever to exist in the history of all time. ever. i nearly ripped my book apart at the very end of the hbp. very sad and distressing... i well survive without them...but eventually they will have to get back together otherwise the world as we know it will end.

violet
mxnhpfreak
Mar 16 2006, 09:53 PM
ello!
hmmm... I think this thread has been a bit abandoned lately, so I thought we might want to talk about something here...
*ponders* ... ... ... ... Oh I know!
If the 'unspeakable' does not happen: do you think at the end of the books, Harry and Ginny will end up just together, enagaged or married? why?I'm sorry it's such a stupid question, but it was the only thing I could think of...
smee
Mar 16 2006, 10:10 PM
Just together. I don't think JK will do a '10 years later' epilogue and I can't see them getting engaged at 17. If she does do the epilogue I hope they'll be at least engaged. This of course all rests on the hope and dream that Harry lives
Just the Droobles
Mar 17 2006, 01:05 AM
Hmm...my answer to the new question would probably be a lot like smee's. If they both make it to the end, and I really hope they do, I don't think that they would get married right away or engaged at 17 or anything. I don't really want them too. I think that's be a bit rushed and I'm not really into rushed marriages. I would really liked to hear they stayed together for a long time and then got married and started a family or whatever. I think the epilogue may actually end up being one of the really interesting parts of the next book. I'd love to hear where everybody ends up and stuff.
ILoveHarryPotter07
Mar 17 2006, 01:13 AM
I think that she should do a 'ten years later' thing..but I don't think she will. But if they both live until the end I would LOVE to at least see them together..I think that the engagement thing would be weird at 17... I can't really picture that happening. If it did it would be somewhat like Romeo and Juliet...(reading it for school)....they wanted to get married like..3-5 hours after they met because they were in love...but as we all know they die in the end... ok well way off...

..Anyways to stay on topic...I think that they will at least be together if they don't die.
~~Courtney
smee
Mar 17 2006, 10:00 AM
I'd love to see an epilogue and find out where everybody ends up. Not just the trio but everyone, and not just who they're with (if anyone); what career they're in; where they're living; who they're still in contact with; etc. Or is it better left to the imagination? A few subtle hints and then leave it to the reader? That way more people get what they want because they can fashion their own epilogue. What do you guys think?
mxnhpfreak
Mar 17 2006, 03:46 PM
No offence, smee, but I think you're going a little bit off-topic with that question... However, I think it would be rude not to answer, so I will, but after answering my own question:
I don't think they will get engaged and of course not married, I am really looking forward to see them getting together at the end, but I don't think we'll see the wedding, unless Jo actually writes a "10 years later" epilogue, which I don't think she will.
So no, I don't think they'll be married or engaged at the end.
And smee, I think an epilogue with subtle hints would be nice and would leave so many doors open that this magic would not end. We could keep on theorizing stuff and etc. However I am not sure if JKR is the kind of person who would leave things somewhat
incomplete.
[claudia

]
Amyrat151
Mar 18 2006, 03:55 AM
"It is my lady, it is my love, that she knew she were." I don't think this is a R+J story. No big deaths. Anyway, I see Ron and Hermione getting married at 19/20 or in other words a year or so after the war, but I'm not sure about Ginny and Harry, it feels more uncertain to me, do I think they'll get married and have a lot of kids, yes, when I don't know.
ILoveHarryPotter07
Mar 18 2006, 04:28 PM
Ya your right about the R+J thing...no major deaths..I can also see Ron and Hermione getting married at that age..because they have really liked eachother sience..i would say...2ond year..and harry and ginny haven't liked eachother that long..well she liked him but he didn't feel the same..I have a question..what do you guys think about..them getting back together and Harry letting Ginny go get the horcruxes...?? I don't think that shes going to let them go without a fight..cause she quite stubborn! Tell me what you think!
Courtney
Harry_rocks
Mar 18 2006, 06:01 PM
I like the they just belong together avatar and the DA siggy and I was wondering mxnhpfreak how to have them as my avatar and siggy please ? thank you .
mxnhpfreak
Mar 18 2006, 06:54 PM
thanks, Harry_rocks!

but I don't think this is the place to ask that...

I am not sure, but I think there are some instructions in the newbies central, you just have to look up for the link in some prefect's siggy.
And you can just save mi graphics

I don't mind.. actually I made them to share them! And I'll probably be making some more later.
Anyways... back to the topic!

Courtney, I think we've discussed that before, but it was on the thread 2, and I don't remember if you had any participation in it?
Well I've always said that the wedding might be a crucial point for the H/G romance, they'll probably talk there and stuff... but won't get together just yet, you know?
He'll probably ask her to stay and wait, but she won't and she will follow them whether they want or not.
Besides, I don't know if I'm right, but I think she's got a Life Debt to Harry, doesn't she? Because of what happened in the Chamber of the Secrets.
So I don't think she could be able to stay behind and let him risk his life without doing anything.
ILoveHarryPotter07
Mar 18 2006, 07:23 PM
Hey Mxnhfreak...
I thought i remembered seeing it somewhere (my question) but I could not remember where so I just left it...I think your right about the life debt thing..because he did save her in the chamber..and I remember somthing about wormtail being in a life debt to Harry...(dont remember where i heard that) so its entirely possible. Is a life debt a bit like the Unbreakable Vow...??
Courtney
smee
Mar 19 2006, 06:13 PM
I think (as in I don't
know so don't take this as gospel) that a life debt is more subtle than an unbreakable vow which is very strict; do what you've promised or die. There seems to be stuff in the wizarding world that is more complex than the unbreakable vow; like the protection Harry's mother gave him and 'life debts' or whatever you want to call being in debt to someone because they saved your life. Anyway drifting off topic so to reel it back in...I don't think Ginny being in debt to Harry means she
has to go with him, but that's pretty irrelevant because we know she wants to go, it's just whether Harry wants her to go with him (not that I think she's going to take a blind bit of notice of what he says anyway

).
Just the Droobles
Mar 19 2006, 06:39 PM
You're pretty much right there, smee. Unbreakable vows are, unbreakable, and if you don't carry through with what you said you'd do, you die. Life debt however, is just a thought. Like we could say Wormtail is in life debt to Harry, but he doesn't
have to save Harry.
But you know, just think of how many people really would be in debt to Harry. Ron, Hermione, Ginny, Malfoy, Arthur Weasley, probably Neville and Luna, and anybody else he's ever saved or taken up for or anything like that. He's just done bigger saving for some than others. And I don't think that it would be wise for Ginny to repay her "life debt" to Harry by going with him on the Horcrux Hunt.
Do I think she should go with Harry? Absolutely.
smee
Mar 24 2006, 01:36 PM
'Ginny mimed vomiting into her cereal behind Fleur. Harry choked over his cornflakes and Ron thumped him on the back.' HBP Chapter 5 An Excess of Phlegm
I'm re-reading HBP and just came across this quote. Apart from the fact I absolutely love it and think it's hilarious (just play it in your head) I think it's a really good example of Ginny lossening up around Harry, can you see her doing anything like this when she was shy little Ginny, I definitely like this funny Ginny better (as does Harry

). There are probably loads of other examples of this in both books 5 and 6, it's just that I really like this scene
mxnhpfreak
Mar 24 2006, 03:47 PM
Hiya!
You know what smee? The funny thing is that for anti-H/G this is the kind of things they believe to be "obnoxious" about our favourite red-head...
I can't believe that they dislike this... I mean it
is funny, you know?

Anyways... I do like those scenes and I think it is very cool that she's not shy little Ginny anymore. They don't, that's a shame because Harry does also... lol!
Some people actually think Ginny is a "Mary Sue".... I don't think she is! do you guys do?
(This doesn't mean that you ship or don't ship Harry-Ginny, people could think Harry needs that kind of character [a Mary Sue], who knows?)