hi all again!

could u have a look at the post i put on page 13 on the parallel between the books and the movies, cause i'd like to have u guys' opinions on the subject
cheers

ps: i'm glad to see there are people from everywhere who love hp... welcome u guys from philipines! i've met a people from a lot of countries but never from philipines!! see ya around

I totally agree with you hermionegal! Harry just ignores Hermione in the 6th book. And we saw how Hermione really cared for Harry, as she was throwing dirty looks to that book of the stupid so-called half-blood prince!

ButTheFleas...TheyMurder!, well, Philippines is a great country, even though they say it's a third world country. Why don't you visit Philippines?

thank you for that harry_loves_hermione! I was beginning to think that i was the only one who saw how hermione was being treated i mean, in the earlier books and films, hermione has always cared for harry (that much is obvious) and in Ootp harry seems to be protecting hermione a lot, he pulls her forward (by her robes) when they're in the DOP and the shelves are coming down, he also protects her by pulling her onto the ground and covering her when he thinks that they're going to get squashed by the centuars but all of the sudden when he's in book six, he doesn't really care that much

butthefleas.....they murder!, i agree with harry_loves_hermione,phillipines is a great country (that is if you don't mind mosquitos ) but other than that, you should visit!


butthefleas........theymurder!,i also agree with you on the parallel between the books and the movies , why would jo, in the 4th book, show harry seeing hermione in a different way? in the book, harry 1st sees hermione with krum and in the movie, harry sees her walking down the stairs in her dress

Too many people think that H/Hr is wrong. That they are more like siblings. That all they have is a platonic friendship. These same people cannot fathom H/Hr EVER becoming romantically involved. That JKR would NEVER make them a couple.

I say, "wake up!". H/Hr can easily become a romantic couple. More often than not, a male friend and a female friend end up being more than platonic. It isn't all Will & Grace, you know! (get it?) Look at it this way, H/Hr (male/female) are very good friends. They finish each others sentences. She is his voice of reason. They have a bond that is not easily broken. They are soul mates. All platitudes, but all so true. I, as a woman, would never want my boyfriend/husband to have a female friend that he shares this much in common with. It wouldn't have anything to do with a lack of self-esteem or having trust issues with my boyfriend/husband. It has everthing to do with just being male and female and with human nature. Neither Hermione nor Harry would deliberately set out to hurt Ron or Ginny. The inevitable would happen eventually. It's called falling in LOVE. Hermione is a definite threat to an H/G relationship (should one develop in book 7). If I were Ginny, I'd be concerned by this so called friendship. Ginny would certainly be a 'third wheel' in that relationship! She could never measure up to Hermione, not in Harry's eyes. Not in any Harmonian's eyes either.

Hi people! How is everyone?! I've been MIA for the last um, like few months, I know! I'm so sorry but I have been SWAMPED with work, school, registering for college (Just got accepted!) and life in general. I hope I find everyone doing wonderful!

I wish I had something encouraging to say to everyone, but I don't. I'm re-reading GOF right now and it's good. HBP is the only book I have never re-read. I just can't bear it. When I think about HBP, I get a sick feeling in my stomach. I hate admiting that because I feel like a real HP fan would love every book but ... I don't. I don't like HBP at all. It's scary and sad and depressing. There, I said it.

I apologize in advance if I missed this... sorry for repeating it. What do ya'll think they will do concerning H/Hr in OotP movie? I think they will still have chemistry, as usual but, unfortunetly, they have GOT to stop the H/Hr stuff to prepare for HBP. Oh wait, I forgot, all the reviews said LUNA was Harry's love interest in this so that should answer my question! LOL!! (Honestly, read the book before you write a review for the movie!)

hey guys i just remebered something...in the 4th book,harry and hermione are accused of being together(which we all know will eventually happen ) and then, when mrs.weasley and bill visit him(harry), mrs.weasley seems to be fine. But when hermione comes along, Mrs.Weasley all rude because she thinks that harry and hermione are together . What i don't get is this ....why does mrs.weasley get all rude when she thinks that hermione and harry are going out, but turns out alright when ginny and harry hook up? is i because she prefers her daughter for harry over hermione?

No, it's because she wants RON with Hermione.

Another thing on that point. All mothers have this freaky intuition, right? Besides the article by Rita, maybe Mrs. Weasley naturally thought Harry and Hermione were together because ... well for the same reasons we think they should be together. Basically, she was upset because she thought they were together. So, I guess she was delisional too.

Mrs. Weasley was mad at Hermione because the article in the Daily Prophet said that Hermione had broken Harry's heart by ditching him for Krum. So she was mad at Hermione for supposedly causing Harry pain, not because she was mad they were dating at all (and she easily believed that they were). Mrs. Weasley loves Harry like he was her own son, and she would be upset with anyone who might have hurt him. I'm sure Mrs. Weasley DOES prefer for Harry to be with Ginny because then Harry would become part of the Wealsey family. But I doubt she would be upset if Harry and Hermione were together, even if she didn't prefer it.



I completely agree! That is what still gives me hope that H/Hr could happen in the end. It just seems inevitable that a male and female so in tune with one another would become romantic. How could anyone else measure up? I am married (I'm 26 - I know.....geezer!) and Harry and Hermione remind me of my husband and I. Couples like R/Hr cannot work long-term because they do not share enough in common. They would fight constantly until eventually someone would get sick of it and leave. Harry and Hermione do not have those problems. They can disagree amicably, and they both often learn and benefit from each other, even when they argue. They have all the advantages of the perfect couple - similar backrounds (Muggleborn), compatible traits, reletively close in intelligence and talent (especially compared to R/Hr or H/G), and a respect for and valuing of each other's passions. It would be a complete waste for them NOT to be a couple!!

I agree that Ron/Hr cannot be a long-term relationship whereas Hr/H sounds much more plausible... Plus H/G looks a bit too cliche I think: Harry would be imitating his father more or less in his choice of partner in life if he went with Ginny (the very popular, pretty and gifted witch who's good and kind-hearted including to those who are not so popular or who have problems (Lily with Snape and Lupin for example, Ginny with Luna...)... it would seem like copying a pattern from a generation to another and I believe (I hope) that Rowling is beyond that... Would look like a copy paste to me and Rowling has shozn that she's not that fond of copy-paste cause although Harry looks so much like his father and has certain personality similarities with him as well, he's quite different from him (not the sqme "courage", not the same attitude towards people as a teenager, much more arrogance on james' part...)

harry_loves_hermione and hermionegal: definitely I'll goto philippines if u say it's so great (although I do mind the mosquitoes since they adore me and since I've had horrible experiences in their company ) but maybe not very soon cause gotta work and gotta pipe down on expenses (just did trips to Madrid, London and Scotland!)

butthefleas.......theymurder! i agree with you that harry is not a lot like his father, but that he does look like him.

butthefleas.......theymurder! i haven't like their company either i'm also glad that your planning to go to phillipines i hope you have a nice time by the way....did you know that i'm spanish to?

ButtheFleas, I've said it before on this thread, but I actually think Hermione resembles Lily much more than Ginny does, even though Ginny appears to be more like Lily. Ginny looks like Lily because of her hair, but her character is much different, in my opinion. For one thing, Ginny makes fun of other people. She may be friends with Luna but, in HBP, she picks on Fleur, Ron, and Hermione, and hexes someone just for talking too much. I don't think Lily would have acted like that. Also, Ginny does not show herself to be much more talented than the average witch, other than being particularly good at the Bat Bogey hex . We don't know anything about her grades, and we've never seen her do any extraordinary magic. She is a good Quiddich player, but not great. Hermione, on the other hand, is an extraordinarily talanted witch, as we all know. She can perform difficult magic that is challenging even for adult witches, and she is extremely intelligent. Also, Hermione is much more compassionate and kind than Ginny. She is kind to Kreacher even when he doesn't appreciate it. She is concerned for all house elves, who are the lowest of the low in wizarding society. She even mirrors Lily's concern for Snape - she has defended Snape several times over the course of the series when Harry and Ron suspected him of something (and she was usually right). Also, Ginny is a pure-blood, but Hermione is Muggleborn - just like Lily.

So, while Ginny resembles Lily superficially in appearance, Hermione is far more like her in character. JKR may be trying to throw off readers by showing Harry with Ginny first, which seems to mirror James and Lily, but in reality it is Harry and Hermione who will mirror that relationship. History could repeat itself (as it often does) but in a much less obvious, and far more interesting way!

Exactly what i've been thinking! Lily was a muggle-born, so is Hermione. Lily was very kind and compasssionate, so is Hermione. Lily was the best witch in her year, so is Hermione!Ginny on the other hand-the only extraoridinary magic we've seen from her is the Bat Bogey Hex. I was also thinking of the fact that James and Lily didn't really realise their feelings properly until their 7th year. I'm hoping Harry and Hermione will do the same.They just have to wait for the right time to act on their feelings. And I really do hope that they end up together.

I agree that Hermione resembles Lily in certain ways, mainly her kindness. However I think you misjudge a bit Ginny: I agree that she's a bit cheeky (which Lily may or may not have been for what we know) but she is extremely fair-minded, what I mean is that she hexes and makes fun of people who deserve it and takes the defense of those who need it... like with Luna, she's nice to her because she believes Luna is a nice person regardless of what people may think about her "loony ways", but she is not kind when it comes to people who are "wrong" (e.g. Draco annoying whomever, Ron when he reproaches her with being with too many guys, Fleur when she's acting really snobbish towards everything and everybody...); she is actually similar to Hermione in this way: when u think of it, Hermione is the most fair-minded person in the books, she defends Snape because she believes he's on the right side, she helps out Hagrid (with Buckbeack trial in PoA) because buckbeack is innocent and cause it would pain so much Hagrid, she helps the elves, even Kreacher, because she finds it unfair that any creature should be reduced to the state of slavery...but she also punches Malfoy in the face cause he's a **** (at Buckbeack's beheading in PoA), she says to Ron "you have the emotional range of a teaspoon" (which is not the nicest thing u could say to a friend right?) cause he's a bit insensitive, she even confunds one of the potential keepers at quidditch tryouts in HBP cause the guy was a **** ... all these examples show that Hermione is not necessarily kind to everybody, she's fair-minded and she even bends her moral rules sometimes to fit the situation (e.g. the confunding thing). I think this is why the two girls are/can be close to Harry: because they are generally good but know when to flip sides when the situation requires it (although Harry is much more of a rule breaker than Hermione ).
I believe that Ginny resembles more Lily than it appears, it's just that the whole of Lily's personality hasnt been totally depicted (yet?) and also Ginny's personality is not very well known either I believe. When u think of it, each time Ginny did something more or less "mean" to somebody, they deserved it.. but I do agree that Ginny tends to flip sides more easily than Hermione.



Yes we dont see in the books that Ginny is particularly gifted BUT in an interview (the famous "delusional" one), Rowling said that being the seventh child of a wizarding family made her an exceptionally gifted witch, she said that Ginny is very talented.


Who cares?? (sorry) I dont think this has some real importance in the pattern copying.

In the end I think that Ginny looks more like Lily than u think, and that the H/G couple would more look like a copy-paste of James-Lily than the H/Hr one....

Hermionegal: Spanish people are so lovely from my experience, I'm glad to hear u're one of them I love Spain too, can't wait to go back to Madrid... ahhh... I'm French but living in England for a year (studies) and I just got back from a trip to Scotland... and in Edinburgh I went to the cafe where Rowling wrote the first book...

butthefleas.....theymurder!, well i agree with you when you were talking about hermione resembling lily in some ways, they are both smart, they're both muggle-borns and they're both the best in their year.

butthefleas....theymurder! : i appreciate you saying that spanish people are lovely have you got any cousin or anyone there? plus, i never knew that you were french i'm learning french apparently im good how is scotland? i've never actually went there before

Ok, just for the record, I am not pro Harry/Hermione... But you guys are going to absolutely LOVE this:

Harry/Hermione Video

Seriously, I am totally Harry/Ginny, and even I was touched by this...

Ok, one more:

Harry/Hermione and anti-Ron/Hermione video

<I live!> (Sorry, egocentric moment... I'll get back to the thread now...)

First things first (and I know I'm resurrecting a topic from the past): AQHYAgrl, I really appriciated you posting the excerpts from John Granger's website. Now I am thoroughly interested in what he has to say, especially its relevance to this relationship between Harry and Hermione.

Second, welcome to all the new people who don't know me (sometimes I don't even know myself, but that's another matter... ). I'm glad you all are posting here, and I enjoyed reading all the posts (all fifteen or so pages of them). Kudos! And hello again to all you people who have been here before! You're just as important!!!

Okay, now onto the topic...

I found that the post about what is love and Dominique's prose/poetic passage on love to be quite intriguing. It really begs the question of what do we define as love and, subsequently, how this affects Harry and Hermione in their relationship - as well as Ron and Hermione in their relationship. I have to say, as it has been said many time on this thread, that Harry and Hermione show a special bond that seems to elevate them to a whole new level (above Ron and Hermione, that is, with no put-downs to their preferred relationship). Harry and Hermione, as they have demonstrated throughout the series, really connect to one another in a way that allows them to guess what the other is thinking and look past thier conflict and disagreements to see the bigger picture and act accordingly. That is what makes them so attractive as a couple, for me, because they mesh so well and watch each others back.

On another note, I noticed that many people don't like the way Half-Blood Prince turned out - particularly Harry and Hermione supporters (Harmonians? I don't know if I could get used to using that word, but it's worth a try...). While it does seem to do much in the way of destablising - or at least shaking well - the foundation for the Harry and Hermione relationship, I have to agree with John Granger on this one: the Half-Blood Prince is, arguably, the best Harry Potter book to date (see the Hogwarts Professor website by clicking here (or really back there) to view the essay "Why Half-Blood Prince is the Best Harry Potter Novel" in its entirety). Basically, the sixth book is in many ways the set-up for the seventh and final chapter of the series. Keeping this in mind, it would reason to follow that the stage set at the end of the sixth book would open the seventh. Now the question is "how does this relate to this topic?" Answer: Who are Harry, Ron and Hermione "hooked-up with" at the conclusion? No one. So that leaves an open playing field. And as it has been pointed out, James and Lily didn't start "going out" until their seventh year, and I beleive that J. K. Rowling will have Harry mirror his father's footsteps at least in this respect. Also, Half-Blood Prince has much more physical tension between Hermione and Ron than in previous books, while Harry has started to trust Hermione more at the same time. While not definite, this could definitely point to - or at least help along - a Harry and Hermione relationship.

I don't know... That's just my ramblings... Sorry if I got carried away a bit... If that was helpful or if you have comments, let me know... And as always, check my spelling and grammar; I'm trying to practise for school...

Kudos to all!!!

hi all again!

There are some VERY INTERESTING points on Hermione and Ron, their personalities, interactions, relationship and supposed "attraction", on the Hr/R venom thread; it's on page 11 and it's a post by Westerly.... you should go have a look it's really insightful and so true, it says so much on why Hr/R seems pretty much... impossible! so should make us, H/Hr shippers, happy

hermionegal: no I don't have any family in Spain but I've been there a few times so I got to meet some really nice people.. you're learning French and you're good at it?! well done!! I wish you were one of my students then... cause I teach French here in a local british high school as a part time job and oohh my students make me suffer cause they keep forgetting what I teach them they drive me nuts sometimes as for my Spanish... it's non existent! took German at school (oops, that was a mistake!) and not Spanish.. but I've learned a few words here and there to get by...

hi all!

TheHarryinMe: i'm sorry but i still don't think that the HBP is a good book. I have checked out the website that you recommended but, i still don't think it's the best book

butthefleas....theymurder!: i'm glad that u've met really nice people i have cousins in spain uuuummmmm..... i never really said that i was that good at french i never knew that you were a teacher i don't really forget my french come to think of it...i think i'm the only person in my class who tries how much spanish do you know exactly?
[Mod Edit] Hi, please remain on-topic; specifically H/Hr, thanks.

You Probably all know this but R/Hr shipper base there theory on Jealouse

But Love is Not Jealous

Jealousy usually indicates an insecure and immature heart. Love wants the best for others, but jealousy is possessive. Jealous is reflected in the childish statement, "If he is going to talk to her, then he can just forget about me!" Often, one person wants to totally possess the other and to restrict her relationships with others.

so can any one explain to me why they base there theory on Jealouse!

Oh well, hermionegal, at least I tried...

My personal favourite - of the books, I mean - is the fifth book. I don't know why (maybe because of the whole Department of Mysteries scene with Harry and Hermione, or just their general closeness throughout), but this book has made the largest imprint on me and was the ultimate deciding factor to support Harry with Hermione and Ron with Luna (for myself). I just really enjoyed how Harry and Hermione understood each other well enough in the book (remember how Harry would have his guilty conscience talk to him in Hermione's voice... especially when he didn't practise Legimency...?). Anywho, I stopped by to see how things were going. Keep it up!

(Sorry, I may be a little out of line here, but has our topic shifted somewhat from why we support Harry and Hermione to why we don't support other ships? Perhaps I'm just delusional again... not that it's a bad thing... )

I think that's probably true to some extent. HBP really seemed to push the R/Hr and H/G relationships in our face, so it's natural for those of us who ship H/Hr (or H/L, or R/L, or D/G, etc. ) to lash out against the other ships. Also, I think it's important to consider all the different ships and what their pros and cons are before deciding which couples truly seem to be the best match - otherwise you're just going to support whichever ship seems the most obvious without question.

I have always felt that H/Hr was the best written romantic match in the books since I started reading them, but I am even stronger in my support for the ship now that I have seen what H/G, and to some extent R/Hr, look like. Those ships are, in my opinion, essentially flawed because they do not work as well as H/Hr would. Harry and Hermione's personalities compliment each other so well - he is impetuous and brave while she is calm and calculating. Both are talented, smart, and compassionate. They don't fight unless it's over something important, and they have an understanding of each other that is deep and profound. And I will continue to support H/Hr even if the 7th book puts other ships together because I will always feel that H/Hr was the right choice. They are simply the best couple in the series, in my opinion, and JKR will be missing out on a great opportunity if she does not put them together!

Sorry, but I'm in a rather unpleasant mood right now and this post will reflect it. But, there are some questions that I'd like to ask.

Why would JKR NOT want to pair off Harry and Hermione? What's wrong with it being H/Hr. What is it about this pairing that JKR finds so objectionable? Why did she tell us to go back and re-read the book? Books?! I sometimes think that she has forgotten what she has written in her books 1 - 5. She has forgotten that she wrote a beautiful relationship developing between Harry and Hermione. And, certainly not one that would be considered as platonic. Why do we (who ship H/Hr) see it and not her? What would make her think that the bickering (to the point of ad nauseum) between Ron and Hermione means that she wanted them to be a couple all along? WHY would she want them to be together in the first place? They are always insulting one another, and being cruel to each other. This isn't love. It could never be remotely considered as love! JKR has to know this. Why would JKR take away Hermione's self-respect? I had always thought that Hermione was much stronger than the one we read about in HBP! In the previous books, she was someone that young girls could look up to as a role model. But, NOT in HBP! She all but practically threw herself at Ron's feet and groveled! She definitely came down a few notches in my eyes! And, yet they are STILL not a couple at the end of HBP, are they?

Sometimes I wish she had just been honest with us. If she wanted to sink Harmony she should have said it straight out - Harry and Hermione will not get together romantically at all! During an interview, she was asked whether Hermione loved Ron or Harry, she answered, and I quote (taken from her web site):
"I can't believe that some of you haven't worked this one our yet, but I'm not going to answer because that would spoil the arguments which I enjoy."
Well, Harmonians see H/Hr while Herons see R/Hr. Who exactly is the "some of you" she refers to?

If some of her Harmony fans decide NOT to purchase her final book, because she will have ended it with OBHWF, what possible difference would it make to her pocketbook? I say, not one little bit. Instead, I think that she would rather sit back and watch her fans tear each other apart as to why it should be R/Hr, H/G or H/Hr! How insensitive and sadistic of her!

Dumbledore's Widow, I know how you feel!

This is why I stay out of the venom: H/Hr threads - I can't take it, I get too angry. I dared to venture into the Ginny's Characterization thread a bit too, but I get tired of arguing with people. I respect others' opinions, but I really just don't understand how so many people can be against our ship when it makes so much sense to me.

I wondered into the R/Hr support thread a few months ago and read a post declaring that "WE WERE RIGHT" in response to some R/Hr supporters who expressed doubt that their ship would indeed sail in the seventh (a few had been convinced by some H/Hr shippers that it would really be H/Hr in the end). Well, I disagree - they are not "right". WE are "right." Even if JKR makes it R/Hr and H/G in the seventh, WE are STILL right. It is not just JKR's story - the stories belong to the readers now and we do not have to agree with everything she does - she is not infallible!! If she wants to sink H/Hr, that's her problem. There is always fanfiction.

She had no right to speak of H/Hr shippers the way she did, but again, it proves that she is not perfect. If the relationship she developed between H/Hr was indeed a mistake on her part - if she has intended to make them platonic all along - then she must be pretty sensitive about confusing so many readers. She may not be perfect, but I don't see how she could possibly be in the dark as to why so many readers see H/Hr - she IS smarter than that! Just look at OotP! No, she has to at least see our reasoning behind it.

So that brings about two possible reasons for her poor treatment of H/Hr shippers: 1) She is projecting her anger at herself for being misleading onto the H/Hr shippers (i.e. It's not MY fault! They're just delusional!) or 2) She is deliberately trying to throw readers off of the trail, and it WILL be H/Hr in the end. Dumbledore's Widow - if you haven't already, I highly recommend reading John Granger's essay at Hogwarts Professor that was mentioned by TheHarryInMe and others on this thread - he argues for point #2 very persuasively, and it will make you feel better.

I am still holding out hope. Once I've read the last page of HP7, that's when I will decide to be angry or elated, proud of JK or disappointed. H/Hr is obvious - it makes the most sense, and sends the best message about relationships to young readers. I will try to have faith that JKR sees that, too.

Sorry you are feeling out of sorts, Dumbledore's Widow. I hope you feel better.

And while I agree with the fact that it can be cruel of J. K. Rowling to sit back and actually enjoy watching us argue over the point, I believe that the quote you supplied was in reference to our preferred relationship, not Ron and Hermione. J. K. Rowling has that way of not wanting her audience to pick up on the hidden meaning until the last moment possible (unless you are a really good guesser, have a really sharp eye, or she just can't content herself with keeping everyone in the dark and accidentally lets something slip). With that, she tends to be putting on a public appearance for Ron and Hermione but has also never refuted our point-of-view; this is clearly toying with both relationships at once. However, I think that looking past her words it can be seen that she has some trick up her sleeve yet that will provide a definitive answer. The question now is: Given her tendency to leave at least one hint, however subtle it may be, for her fans, what is the single thing J. K. Rowling has mentioned that is constantly overlooked that provides the answer? To this, I know not what we are supposed to look for. But I feel that the fact that none of the three heroes are in a relationship at the end of Half-Blood Prince, combined with the fact that she told us particularly to re-read this book, means that the answer is right under our noses. And to work to her benefit, many Harry and Hermione supporters refuse to read Half-Blood Prince more than necessary (which usually amounts to only once), therefore allowing some hint she may have planted for Harry and Hermione to be easily overlooked by the majority of Ron and Hermione supporters scanning the pages. Because of this, and the previous five books, I am convinced that Harry and Hermione is the answer we are looking for, but I cannot provide that answer that would prove it outright.

I hope I didn't ramble again (I always feel as if I do...).

Isn’t it interesting that we haven’t yet seen an interview of J.K. Rowling conducted by a Harmonian since the release of HBP? Surely, there are those out there that could effectively argue the case for H/Hr, citing evidence and clues even in book 6 that point to that pairing.

It’s almost as if she’s deliberately avoiding us. Even in the IoD she didn’t go into much depth with the H/Hr discussion. And I can’t believe they overlooked the “fanciable” speech and Hermione’s reaction when she found out Harry told Slughorn she was best in the year. In both of those cases, Ron was clearly jealous of how Hermione was talking to Harry, like he suspected something was going on between them. Why wouldn’t something as suspicious as that warrant a discussion?

If H/Hr really didn’t have a chance, why all the hiding and dodging? Wouldn’t she want to put something as important as this to rest for the sake of her readers? Or, was she purposely misdirecting and adding fuel to the shipping wars?

I think with what we've read so far we can safely assume that we cannot assume anything in the world of Harry Potter.

So while JK is saying that the books are not H/Hr she might just be tryign to confuse us. I mean think how much page time did H/G get in HBP? I think there were all of like 3 references to it and no actual scenes with them alone together with no other people around. And she didn't really ever do anything with Hr/R** there are always those little hints (or large ones) but still we see more scenes with Harry and Hermione together planning, studying, or just lounging around. JK must realize what she's writing. My friend once told me that in GOF there was a scene where Hermione had thrown a pillow and a few lines later Harry threw one that landed right on top of Hermione's. Then she explained to me that the two pillows on top of one another is a shakespearian reference to sex. I mean if your using a sex reference your indicating that that is a ship

**(So off topic but I have to mention . . . . has anyone besides me ever noticed that the shortened form of Hermione's name Hr is both Harry (H) and Ron ® combined?)

And I will end here because I have work tomorrow and I should get some sleep

I think H/Hr is best because JKR can't just have everyone pair off perfectly in the end and everyone will be happy with their soul mates!! First of all, they're teenagers they hardly even know "love". Second, we all know Jo I known for doing unexpected things after dropping small hints, and Harry/Hermione has been right in front of us all along, hidden in the shadows of R/H and H/G...

I love this clue. Someone else brought that up earlier in the thread, and I think it is a really interesting point. Hermione is a Shakespearian name - it is from the play "The Winter's Tale", and another form of it, Hermia, was in "A Midsummer Night's Dream". In "The Winter's Tale" the Hermione character is a Queen who is wrongly accused of infidelity by her jealous husband and is banished, while pregnant, to a prison where she seemingly dies, but is miraculously resurrected years later (hmmm....negative R/Hr connotations?). The Hermia character in "Midsummer" is really interesting - her true love, Lysander, is accidently bewitched to fall in love with someone else (hmmm...H/G....love potions......just a thought ). Hee hee, Shakespeare is fun.

Well, even if the stories themselves are not clues, the fact that the name Hermione is a Shakespearian reference certainly supports the idea that the pillow positioning is a hint to H/Hr. I mean, why did JKR bother to describe the way the pillow landed the way she did?

Maybe I'm just delusional. But who cares?!? It's FUN!

Wow that's interesting...This is probably what opposing ships are missing! Background hints. Not hints like Harry spotting Ginny at the train station. But hints like name meanings and symbols like this one! They shouldn't just be analyzing those tiny hints that are supposed "canon evidence" but they should be looking behind the story, where they will find a greater depth to what they spotted before!

I got 165 reasons( and counting ) why harry and hermione are great together just email me and I will send you the reason my email because if you where a true fan of this ship you would wanna read this reason. and then when you have read them all tell what you thought.
[Mod Edit] Hi, in concern for your online safety I removed the address, thanks.

inazuma, i'm very interested on what your reasons are
[Mod Edit] Hi, please elaborate in the future as Ygraine describes, thanks.

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I was wondering if JKR has denounced the H/Hr ship in a recent interview? The reason I ask is that there are some non-H/Hr shippers gloating about it, on another forum.

To be honest, I don't care. Really. If JKR decides to go the OBHWF route, it won't come as a surprise, and I wouldn't give a rat's patoot either! To me, it will forever be Harry and Hermione. Good grief, a blind and deaf person would know it's Harmony! All I can say is, thank goodness for Harmony fanfiction!

It wouldn't shock me if she did. I mean, it can't get much worse than the infamous "delusional" interview, and I'm sure the non-H/Hr shippers blew whatever she said out of proportion. Frankly, I don't even care anymore! I still believe it could be H/Hr in the end, but even if it isn't, there is always fanfiction, and the knowledge that we rooted for the best, most romantic ship.

Even reading HBP, there are moments which show what a beautiful relationship Harry and Hermione share (despite the out-of-control characterizations in that book). If JKR is, in fact, still denouncing this ship, she is doing so for one of the two reasons I mentioned in my post here earlier: she is either purposefully deceiving the media, or she projecting her own insecurity about accidently writing such a great ship onto the fans by calling us delusional (yes, I know, she didn't say it, but her agreement was implied). We are NOT delusional - the relationship between Harry and Hermione is obvious - even the films pick up on it.

So, I guess the point of this rant is to not worry about whatever interviews the anti-H/Hr shippers cite. It doesn't matter. We know we're right, whether it becomes canon or not.

Ooh, be careful, guys - if someone has said 'a blind and deaf person would know it's H/G or R/Hr', I'm fairly sure you would have taken offence It seems to be getting just a little heated in here

I know how hard it is to keep the venom down when it seems as though the other ship-supporters are being nothing short of vile about us and our ship, but that's what hopefully makes us dignified - that we don't sink to those levels.

As long as those comments weren't made on this forum, then I'd stay away from the ones that are making you angry. Life's too short to get stressed out by things like that

To remain slightly more on topic, I have really, really tried hard to see things from the R/Hr and H/G point of view...more than you know ()...but I just can't do it. It's not that I'm denying their existence, I'm not. It's that it just doesn't feel *right*, and I'll just never be happy with them. I've always preferred H/Hr because it has the more romantic, more literary and more meaningful tone to it than the others. And there's nothing wrong with that - JKR isn't the first author whose books I've read and been left thinking, I don't like the way that turned out or I didn't perceive that character that way etc. I won't be forced into saying something is great if, in my heart of hearts, it just doesn't sit right.

As for the interview, I don't think there's been anything said recently. They're probably still talking about the infamous 'delusional' interview, which is rather old hat now. If JKR has said anything since, then frankly, it was rather tactless of her. She can't be completely oblivious to the split the interview caused in the fandom and it's far better to just stay quiet about it and move on now than to keep dredging something up that has caused such nasty quarrels between fellow fans.

Don't you think that we should invite JKR in to our thread and we could prove to her that its h/hr and not r/hr and h/g. I mean if we prove too her its other ship all the way and not theres she might just make h/hr in book 7, but we must first think of how where going to invite her in to our thread? any one got ideas?

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Personally, I don't think this is such a bad idea! Why couldn't a couple of Harmonians try to interview JKR? I would suggest Harmonians that are well versed with the books and perhaps, a little older in age. Perhaps a webmaster and/or webmistress of a couple of the Harmony shipping web sites, like Portkey, Harmony Forever, etc. There are many an avid Harmonian who is intelligent, sensible and who will act with decorum, that can represent Harmony. JKR has to know that not all H/Hr shippers are squeeing fanatics. Harmony does have merit. It should be discussed with JKR. An audience is all that is being asked. Comments? Preferably, favorable.

That doesn't sound half bad!! The only thing is that she wrote the books and she knows what all the clues mean...I mean, it would be easier to convince a fan that it should be H/Hr, but how would we convince JKR? Tell her about all the canon evidence? She'll only tell us what she really meant by that or that it didn't mean anything at all. So we can't prove to her that H/Hr will turn out in the end. But we have to persuade her to do just that. The question is, how?

Persuading JKR?... I have got it!

First, find an approach ; an idea which our subject holds which is consonant with Objectivism. Then work our way around that idea, by showing what ideas that idea depends on and what ideas are dependant upon that idea.
If JKR holds that idea strongly, and is intellectually honest, they will see that our are right and are making sense. Then we tell her that the philosophy that drew those connections, and which has many more truths waiting for them, is Objectivism.

Well that what I think we should do or the person interviewing JKR

Hey guys look at this: Leo (harry) & Virgo (hermione)

When Virgo and Leo join together in a love match, they may initially overlook common interests and feel they have nothing to gain from one another. This is a relationship that evolves over time, each partner gradually understanding and appreciating the other. Leo is extroverted, dominant, and charismatic, and often has a short fuse. Virgo is studious and withdrawn, possessed of more versatility than Leo. Although there are differences, they make a wonderful love match when each partner warms up to the other's unfamiliar style.

Early in the relationship, Leo and Virgo may see nothing but faults in one another. Leo may seem tyrannical, and Virgo may seem too judgmental. But when they stop looking solely at one another's flaws and begin to discover one another's positive attributes, they'll discover an attraction. Leo shows Virgo good times and fun, and introduces the spontaneity that is often missing in Virgo's life. Virgo teaches Leo patience and focuses their intellectual energy. Leo may feel Virgo is watching with too keen of an eye, but will inspire their partner to ease up. Virgo may consider Leo selfish and foreboding, but can teach them to be sensitive to others' needs.

Leo is ruled by The Sun and Virgo is ruled by the Planet Mercury. The Sun emanates light and heat and waits for others to gather around and accept the gifts of their presence. Virgo reaches out to others and works out all the details before committing to a determined goal. Both Signs need to take the time to see the value of the other's approach; Leo can teach Virgo to be less critical and more spontaneous while the Lion gains stability from Virgo's even keel.

Leo is a Fire Sign, and Virgo is an Earth Sign. Leo starts in on new projects without stopping to consider their motivation, while Virgo takes a more practical approach. Virgo is concerned with the outcome of their efforts while Leo simply pursues what they want with no mind for the consequences.

Leo is a Fixed Sign, and Virgo is a Mutable Sign. Virgo likes to spend time working hard and spreading themselves over many different areas. Leo, on the other hand, enjoys taking charge or managing a project and assigns roles to the other participants. The absence of conflict over who's who in the relationship helps Leo and Virgo avoid unpleasant character evaluations.

What is the best aspect of the Leo-Virgo relationship? It's their effectiveness as a couple. Metaphorically and literally, Leo commands attention and respect by showing people what they are made of socially, and following through on new ideas motivated only by fun and excitement. Virgo works hard behind the scenes, scheduling appointments and following up on details Leo has lost interest in. Their personalities, opposite in so many ways, makes theirs a highly complementary love match.

Hey Everyone! Sorry I haven't been on as much, with exams starting next week and all that But I have been keeping up on posts.

Inazuma, I really like that analysis of Virgo and Leo .. it sounds exactly like Harry and Hermione! I've been thinking a lot about the last HP book and it's been really bugging me. I want to know what's going to happen soo bad. (Like everyone else) I'm kind of nervous to read the last book actually .. scared to find out what happens, scared to know that it all just ened.

I have a question for you guys before I go. Even after all the 'oh so canon', 'anvils' and the delusional interview, do you think H/Hr will still happen? And why. Not do you still support H/Hr, because we all in here do But .. how much of a chance do you think our ship still has? 1/5? 1/100?

D o m i n i q u e

I think we have a 1/5 chance of getting h/hr right, but what we must be really think about is harry and hermione's personalities, how they are similar and how they differ and how there personalities effect each other, what there strong points are and what ther weak points are. And how you personal think they can work around there differences? I mean if you think about it the more similarties they have in there personalities the more they will be think about each other becaues they will see that the other person see just like them meaing you will be think more about that then some who is very different from you.

I think that H/Hr has about, I don't know...1/10 chance? I think that may be about right. I mean, it would really work! Much better than R/Hr, which is centered mostly on jealousy...But Harry and Hermione understand each other! As shown in Inazuma's post above, their signs fit! They're the type of people that go well together and I'm really hoping they will in the seventh book!!

A moment in harry potter and the goblet of fire remindes of a moment in romeo and juliet, where romeo see juliet for the first time, and its like love at first sight, just like when hermione is walk down the stairs to the yule ball and harry is standing there watching her, you can just imagine what going through harry's mind, but then he must have realised its his friend and should not be think of her in that way, but I think those feellings are still there and his going to have those same feellings againand think of him and hermione as more then just good friends. And if you think about it that scene is just like romeo and juliet one of the most romantic movies/play there is.

Ah, dear sweet Dominique, sounds like you're feeling a little blue. Perhaps it's that "down" feeling we all get right after taking exams! What you need is a little cheering up! We're so glad you came to the H/Hr forum to be cheered up too! You have to know that we aren't going to ever really say things like, "H/Hr is debunked" or, "Our ship has sunk"! Nope, not us 'delusional' yet faithful Harmonians that can still see even a little glimmer of hope that H/Hr will happen!

Am I cheering you up any?...

I have been thinking quite a bit about how the shipping will be resolved in the final book. In fact, maybe a bit too much. We Harmonians tend to scour the books, including HBP, and even the interviews for little 'twists', or underlying meanings to something JKR wrote or said that hints at H/Hr. I have come to the conclusion that we Harmonians think too much about this. We should just be content to know that we believe that Harry and Hermione belong to one another! If not in canon, then in our hearts , minds and in fan fiction!

But, to answer your question, I am quite hopeful and would give H/Hr a 1:3 chance. I always come back to the way JKR left it in the final chapter in HBP. It still isn't R/Hr nor is it H/G! So, it literally is 'up in the air'!

After" re-reading "CoS as JKR said we should re-read the books i found this:
"Then she lowered the megaphone and beckoned Harry over to her.
"Potter, I think you'd better come with me..."
Wondering how she could possibly suspect him this time, Harry saw Ron detach himself from the complaining crowd; he came running up to them as they set off towards the castle. To Harry's surprise, Professor McGonagall didn't object.
"Yes, perhaps you'd better come too, Weasley."...
"This will be a bit of a shock," said Professor McGonagall in a surprisingly gentle voice."
McGonagall calls off the match because Hermione has been petrified. Her only interest initially is to take Harry to see Hermione. She does not think about finding Ron and taking him too. Notice that Ron has to come running over to them and join them himself "as they set off towards the castle". They are already on their way.
And then McGonagall is only lukewarm about Ron's presence. She virtually says 'on second thoughts, perhaps you should see her too.' how about that even McGonagall thinks its H/Hr

I think JKR was not directly telling us to re-read the book I think she was talking to the other ship and she made it seem she was talking to use but she was not really talking to use, she just wanted to make it look like that so that no one really know its H/Hr.

But somthing that makes me laugh is if you tell a H/G or a R/Hr shipper that JKR is always using "unexpected twists" it gets them all worked up *laughes*

Aww yes you are DW thanks Yes, I too know H/Hr is right, because it feel right, even JK herself doesn't think so. As you said, there will always be fanfiction and such. By the way Inazuma, I love your signature!

Who cares. It’s not called Ron and the Goblet of Fire

And that's pretty much all I had to say .. 'Till next time..
-Dominique
PS: I got my first job yesterday! If anyone knows .. Tim Hortons? Probably not, but it's like a coffe and donut shop. Well .. toodooloo!

EDIT: I also suggest you guys take a look at this video it's totally cute, and I really like it .. and this one as well, which is more sad .. enjoy!

Haha very funny. I was also re-reading the books and came across the early piece of evidence for H/Hr in Book 3.
She'd obviously been very upset and just as Alicia said "we thought you'd died" Hermione realizes just how much losing Harry would affect her. I don't remember her practically crying when Ron was poisoned in Book 6. Anyway as said before to us it will always be H/Hr and as my avatar says "my delusion is better than your canon." H/Hr has just an equal chance of happening as does any other ship, and if it doesn't then we can still write fanfiction etc.JKR can't please everyone all of the time Also when has JKR been obvious with where the plot was going- for example Horcruxes H/Hr isn't the most obvious ship out there. So there we go- my ramble is over now- feel free to discuss what i said if it makes any sense.

Hey Everyone! I was just browsing different H/Hr webbies, when I came across this really funny song and video along with it. I'm not sure if anyone has seen it .. but if you haven't go here, scroll down untill you reach 'Harry Potter Emo Love Song by Big Poppa E.' I just think it's really cute and quite entertaining

Can you guys believe a sneak peak of OotP was released allready? Ooooh! Hopefully there will be some nice H/Hr scence .. much looking forward to that.
-Dominique