I can understand why so many Harmonians are discouraged, disenchanted, frustrated, whatever! What with the garbage that is HBP. But, like so many true Harmonians (as Sherillina, bigkisses, TheHarryInMe, and other Harmonians that post here) I still feel that H/Hr is the ship. No matter what happens in book 7, H/Hr is meant to be. Anyone with half a brain knows it!

Harry and Hermione forever!

I was completely devastated by HBP. I just became a shipper a little after order of the phoenix. so i had already read all of the books up to that point before i even heard abut shipping and I got really excited but before I even had the chance to get into it HBP ruined by shipping spirit. Then there was the interview and at that point I also thought that H/Hr just weren't going to happen. But then after reading this theory on portkey and also reading the information about alchemy and the chemical wedding symbol on the spine of DH I once again believe that H/Hr is gonna happen but of course there is a part of me that thinks that JKR might not be as great as I thought she was and she really thinks that the relationships she wrote in HBP are real "love" relationships which I find hard to believe. Even if they dont get together i will always think that Harry and Hermione are perfect for each other.

I call Ootp the Harmony bible and the movie PoA the Harmony passion of the Christ. Lol

Also i am 100% positive that it will be Hermione's love (romantic or friendship) that helps harry defeat voldemort. not Ginny's.

i think t would be so sweet if harry and hermone get together it would really mess up his friendship with ron. :(but its cud end up all cool....or not

Wow haven't posted her in a while bigkisses Could you provide me a link to this theory on Portkey it sounds interesting and i need to read more pro H/Hr arguments!

I agree with what some of you are saying about HBP- it was a real shock to me when i read how much Harry and Hermione's character's had changed and how in my opinion they'd lost the 'spark' the had in before especially in OOTP( or the 'Harmony Bible' as bigkisses
put it. ) We can only hope they find that spark again in the final book

P.S Dumbledore's Widow That link you posted to alchemy and how it relates to H/Hr in Book 7 is amazing!It restored my faith in the H/Hr ship.Thank You

Sure thing beyond_the_veil. Her you go

Seeing the Forest

Its only the first part and its actually more about book 7 than H/Hr but there is some stuff in there that definitely points to H/Hr. Also the writer still has more parts to come out inlcuding a shipping part. Its a really amazing theory.

Thanks bigkisses13 for the link to that theory over on Portkey. After reading it it made me want to yell YES, YES, YES. Not only for the excellent theory that was written but the brillant way they had described the H/Hr relationship. It has given me a new lease on waiting for book 7. I so believe that Hermione & her love for Harry is going to be one of the main reasons for Voldemorts demise.
Now much happier waiting for July 21st in my delusional little world.

Harry 4 Hermy!

They're the best couple ever.

Especially in Movie 3, its so cool when Hermy is like "Harry! Hold me!"

I <3 Hermy/Harry being a couple

Yes, thank you indeed, bigkisses13, for that wonderful link! I was literally shouting with joy as I read the theory of mirrors amongst the three books and how this could apply to Deathly Hallows. My favourite was, by far, the 'new and deeper' way Hermione must express her feelings to Harry: first a hug, then a kiss on the cheek, and then... Well, you can see where that is headed, and it is WICKED!

Oh, I just love this ship. Every time I think that J. K. Rowling is going to be stupid on us and pull the 'I told you so' card on us with Ron and Hermione, I convince myself that she is just a better author than to let something as well yet subtle as Harry and Hermione be written in and then written off.

Kudos!

I was over on Portkey and found this:

"Gill (aka angelsslave and delusionalmistress) has just started up a new site dedicated to Harry Potter, centering around our favorite ships (H/Hr and R/L).

We'll be taking down those other sites-who-shall-not-be-named, one anvil at a time, with our books, cleverness and canon!

Check it out and join in the fun:"

http://z4.invisionfree.com/Sugar_Covered_Q...dex.php?act=idx

* Malinda (a.k.a. Accio Harry!)


Nothing wrong with another Harry/Hermione site!!!!

i was so excited because a lot of the h/hr sites I used to visit aren't running any more but that link doesn't seem to work. Someone help!
Still i hope this new site rocks. if its about harry and hermione i'm sure it will.

I tested the URL and it worked for me, hope it works for you too!

http://z4.invisionfree.com/Sugar_Covered_Q...dex.php?act=idx

H/Hr forever!

Dumbledore's Widow, the problem with your first link is that you have 'Q...' where 'Quills' should be. That's all!

Okay, so I stopped by the bookstore today, and I saw the mugglenet book on Deathly Hallows. So, to see what they had to say, I pulled it down and flipped through - of course first to the 'Love' section. The way they phrased everything got me all down, and I was really depressed into thinking that Harry and Hermione wasn't going to happen at all!!! Mind you, they were very condescending to us, saying that while we have generated an emotional response in the matter, it is foolish to believe in our ship as... others... are so much more obvious. Really, it could depress almost anyone!

But - and not to talk down about mugglenet or anything - I flipped through the other sections and found some interesting remarks. They quoted the interview where J. K. Rowling said Dumbledore was "definitely dead" and essentially said to ignore that comment, because Dumbledore is the most essential character in the books (I'm sorry, I thought that was Harry...) and still has a huge role to play in defeating Voldemort. Therefore, don't count on Dumbledore on being dead yet... And proceeded to talk about Dumbledore faking he's death and whatnot. While I don't have a strong opinion either way on the matter, I noticed through this that they were holding a double standard: On the one hand, Dumbledore shouldn't be counted as dead even though there was a remark about it, and on the other hand Harry and Hermione - which was up in the air until this point - is "sunk" because there was a remark about it. It could just be me, but why ignore one comment and accept another if it wasn't to promote a personal view? (We all do it, I know, but it just struck me as odd)

So, needless to say, I walked away with a better impression that Harry and Hermione still have a fighting chance for Deathly Hallows, however small it may be.

Really? Wow, that's funny! Very contradictory... I'd say that they're wrong about Dumbledore being the most important, and also wrong to say to disregard that comment. I'd also say that they're wrong in the H/Hr comments. By the way: are Mugglenet and The Leaky Couldron the only sources for that interview? Can it be found anywhere else?

Anyways, how are you all doing on your Duelling CLub applications? lol.

I just thought of an interesting point: in the first part of the QWC in GoF, Harry was affected by the Veelas just as much as everybody. But when Hermione touched his arm to point out the referee, he seemed to stop being affected by them. He didn't need to plug his ears anymore, and in the woods afterwards when Stan Shunpike and some others where trying to impress a Veela and Ron mentioned his broom to Jupiter, Harry wasn't affected then, either. And also in the numerous encounters with Fleur, Harry isn't affected as much as others are. I'm sure it's not meant as anything, but it just seems, well, cute I guess, for Harry to become immune to their affects because of Hermione.

Numenor.

Yipieeeeeeeh! *dances on the table*

I just saw the new trailer, or better to say:the asian version, on Youtube and you know what- WE GOT THE HUG!!!! My shipper heart, which got really hurt and damaged since HBP, is jumping for joy and starts to feel a bit more hopefull... WE GOT THE HUG!!! Have a look for yourself:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HppS8f74jyw

Maybe you all already knew that it would be in the movie, and I was the only one not knowing, but the last thing I remember is that we were all wondering. For me, the hug doesn´t look so platonic... What I would give to see Rons face in the background a bit better, but the quality of the trailer is unfortunately very bad - so I have to be patient until the "proper" one is there in a few hours! Hermione is really REALLY enthusiastic to see Harry... But hey, he is just a platonic friend, right?
Dummdiidummm........

Ok, I will spare you the rest of my delight and waiting patiently (not really ) dor your opinions concerning the hug... It MUST mean something that they included it in the movie, right?

A very happy and excited Eowyn!!!

Hey EVERYONE!

Now that the new ootp movie and new book are nearing I have made an effort to post more on the boards and along with Eowyn, I too saw the trailer and yes, the hug was in there! Now whether it was 'the hug' or just a hug, it was a hug and I am happy!!

Can't wait till the summer, movie looks amazing!
-Dominique

The whole trailer is amzing, but the hug definitely tops it off! Okay, if it's not Harry and Hermione, then why do they show it? Because it's more marketable? Come on... They can only be so good of friends, and this definitely calls into question what is really meant to be...

I love being delusional! Kudos!

Oooh yay! The website works. Oh s excited.

It is very interesting to see mugglenets take on dumbledore's death. I pretty sure he's dead. They are so completely biased over there. They're probably just bitter about our chemical wedding symbol on deathly hollows.

The trailer was amazing. There's a clearer one up if you havent seen it. that hug reminds me of the gof hug but bettr because its actually canon. I'm just worried about the Hermione getting cursed in the DoM. There are a lot of rumors that thats not in it.

I cant wait for all the Harmony in movie 5. It better be full of it considering the book was.
So excited!!

Oh yeah i am trying to join dueling club. i'm just waiting for my name to be added so i can actually post. i've been waiting a while.

I KNOW! From the things I'd read about the film I was not expecting much HHr in the next movie (even though the book was the HHr Bible! ), so that hug in the new trailer took me completely by surprise, and definitely made my evening! Seriously, I've been so insanely happy and excited ever since!!! It's just such a wonderful surprise and treat, something to look forward to in the next movie and yet another hug to add to HHr vids, lol! I love how there's been an HHr hug in EVERY SINGLE MOVIE except for the first...it's almost like a tradition by now! And it definitely is the best hug so far, IMO...so much chemistry and passion! Anyway, what a wonderful Harmony treat--like a slice of Pumpkin Pie--eat your hearts out Ron and Ginny! Even if nothing else is in it of Harmony (which it sounds like is the case--I'm still really bummed about them cutting out the Cho jealousy and Hermione near-death, Dan would have nailed the second one especially, and that's like the best moment of the book!. Oh well, at least there's going to be this, which makes me happy!

And yes, the point about the QWC is a good one--whyever didn't Hermione snap her "beloved" Ron out of it? But he's too busy goggling the veelas...until he finds out Hermione is going with someone else. Whoops, back to her--how dare she!

And I had heard about Emerson's lovely little piece on us and our ship (aw, the maturity! not...) , but NOT about his wacky DD theory...doesn't that just figure! And he was making fun of us and the "Snape is good" or "Snape is a vampire" theorists! Well, hypocrisy is the name of the game with Emerson, no one ever claimed he made sense, but that is pretty grating that while JK has never flatly, directly said HHr wasn't going to ever happen, and has flat out said that DD is DEAD and NOT going to pull a Gandalf (aka come back), he claims that JK is lying there and DD will come back, but that HHr shippers are delusional. I think as far as the "d" word, Emerson better stop throwing those stones or his glass house is going to break real soon, if you catch my drift...

Wow... Er, can anyone get a quote on what he's said first, because I don't want to be leading everyone astray here? I think the book was written by someone else, but he's probably endorsed it...

You should really check out Sugar Covered Quills if you are looking for a place to relax as a Harry and Hermione supporter, and I hear they have a little... banter... about the oh-so-wonderful Emerson going on... Just something a little bird said in passing...

Well, at least we got something of Harry and Hermione in the movie, but I think the whole Department of Mysteries scene was too much to ask for... Kind of like the more obvious things in Goblet of Fire as well...

Did anyone see what relationship they were playing up though, with the whole Dumbledore's Army scene? (hint: it has to do with someone refusing to curse the other person... i'll post my thoughts about it here...)

Well, Kudos!

That was an awesome trailer! If you guys want a better quality trailer here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IiTVu_0jmD4

When they showed the hug it was way to short It should of showed it longer. This movie looks like it is going to rock!

Okay here we go. I've been lurking over at EW.net on the debate thread of course and a heron stated that Hermione gives gives gives to Harry and all Harry does is take. Now normally i would like to deny with every fiber of my being that a heron is right but later i started to think about how no matter what happens in deathly hollows, even if ron and hermione some how find "love" harry will still be the most important guy in Hermione's life. And Hermione for him right, but wrong. I still think that Hermione is the most important girl in Harry's life but he has failed to realize it. Now i dont know if his realization will be key in his realization of his love for her but either way i'm pretty p.o.ed at harry for not realizing how important hermione is to him yet. you think he would have after her near death experience but i guess thats the whole reason why H/hr hasnt happened yet, because harry is so stupid he has failed to realize hermione's importance. Okay end rant.

I don't think that Harry has failed to realise it yet - maybe on a personal, intimate level he has, but Hermione has not really struck me as that sort of person. I could be wrong, but Harry's keeping Hermione as a friend is, as I see it, payment enough for Hermione. Sure, she gives he and Ron a lot of help, but she gets the satisfaction of being the brains and getting praise for it. I think that Harry does act a little out of Hermione's loop of feelings for him every now and then, but then again, he's a very busy and popular guy, and he has a lot on his plate with Voldemort back - not to mention that the story would be less interesting if he just outright realised his feelings, as there would be no suspense. Really, I think that Hermione, inexperienced with love, is bringing any frustration she may have with Harry's inattention upon herself, as she really doesn't know how to approach him about the topic. Likewise, Harry goes through a range of emotions that only Hermione truly realises, and - the story from his perspective - we clearly see that Harry is extremely grateful for her help and support.

All said, I'd say they are the deepest kind of friends, and that's what counts - not how much attention who gives who, but what simply is. Hermione is Harry's best female friend, and he would stick up for her in any situation and does genuinely care for her in a more subtle way. And Hermione really isn't that obvious about it either. I think it is more of a fancy of her's that gets aggitated when Harry is involved with other people, so it's understandable that he doesn't notice the subtle signs - yet. Hermione's jealousy is about the only public indicator that I've seen of her true feelings - well, that and when she gets worked up over something else, like the time she's upset with Harry 'siding' with Ron on the Scabbers issue - but, all told, the relationship they have stems from the respect and appreciation they have for one another; the other feelings only come out every now and then.

Harry doesn't yet realise how much he relies on Hermione for help, and she doesn't realise how much she relies on him for support. So, while it appears give and take between them, they really whole-heartedly support and care for each other.

Interesting comment coming from a Heron... I would have thought they would say that Hermione isn't giving at all to Harry beyond a basic friendship... Almost like they are admitting we are right, albeit one tiny snag...

Also, on your last point about her near-death experience: take heart! The worst of things bring out the best in people. Then, we got a glimpse of Harry's heart in pure; trust that it will happen again. Really, all throughout Order of the Phoenix, he was realising more and more how much Hermione supported him and meant to him as a friend (check my signature for a quick quote on the matter). That was a cumulation of his feeling. After that, though, he had to face the death of Sirius, which basically washed all else from his mind at the end of the book and into the next. Once he had rejoined Hermione, setting was key. Quick Quiz: Where was he? Answer: The Burrow. And who else, besides Hermione, was at the Burrow? Only the entire Weasley family, including someone who was to capture his attention for the rest of the book - how is up to speculation, but I hear that Dumbledore's Widow says something about love and potions being involved...

Whatever the case, I think Hermione finally realised she needs to step it up a notch in Half-Blood Prince - maybe due to competition, because methods like that are not going to be kept to one's self, even if only the general intent is revealed (see if you can put two and two together for what I'm getting at... it has something to do with Ginny interacting with Hermione...). Anyway, Half-Blood Prince is where hormones are running high, and now it's time to see how the other side views the relationship and what's in their heart. Come on, those compliments to Harry weren't for naught...

So, I think Deathly Hallows has very good potential for them to both get their heads back on straight after going through emotion puberty in the last two books, and then we'll see how the relationship was only give and take at any given point because one person let it be, on either side. Once they get their minds back, the bond they will have as friends will grow so deep that there's no way it'll be otherwise...

Always look on the bright side of life! Hermione's not giving too much: she's just experiencing love. And Harry's not ignoring: he's just working out his feelings. It's the experience they're getting for all of this that is key to their relationship.

Harry and Hermione FOREVER!!!

Kudos!

I would really like to see Harry and Hermione become a ship in book seven. I think they are great for each other! I liked Harry and Ginny for a while but then i reread the books and it just does not seem right. It is Rons sister. Ron was kind of ok with it but still. If harry and Hermione become a ship Ron might not like it for a while but he can get over it and go with Luna. Yay Luna! Anyway If that happens Ginny should go with Neville and everything will be the way it should be!


Go Luna and Ron!
Go Harry and Hermione!
Go Ginny and Neville!
Thats about it.

Yeah, I think that the near-death was a pitvotal moment, the one that could have made Harry realize his true feelings for Hermione as he realizes what he almost lost....he wouldn't have necessarily realized it right then, b/c he is in the middle of a dementor attack, and then there's the death of the closest thing he had to a father and the prophecy to shock him and for him to brood over between the near death and the end of OOTP--so it is definitely understandable that he wouldn't have necessarily realized his feelings for Hermione just then--he wouldn't have had time! BUT after a few weeks thinking about it over and over in his mind, kind of like how the great Kate J writes in this short one shot fic:

http://harryloveshermione.com/fanfic/theletter.html

So after OoTP there was DEFINITELY a very viable chance of HHr happening--there was definitely support and evidence books 1-5 and that moment could have been the catalyst. However HBP came, and Harry had not had any realizations--the moment was lost, he hadn't even learned any lessons from the DoM, like to listen to Hermione, that he's not always right! So while I think there was every chance (when looking at the canon of the books) of HHr happening thanks to that moment after OoTP, I feel that his lack of response to it in HBP shows HHr isn't going to happen--but given how horribly written the romance was in HBP, I'm not sure I'd trust JK to write HHr anyway, lol!

It is true though that Harry is very thick and clueless when it comes to noticing girls--even worse than Ron I think! I mean, the whole "Why is Cho mentioning Valentine's Day?" moment....just clueless! He needs to watch Clueless in fact to learn about his cluelessness, as that movie (based on Emma) is very much the "yay HHr! So much for "brother and sister!"" kind of story....

Of course you are both right sherrilina and theharryinme I know Harry appreciates Hermione and everything that she gives to him but he is yet to realize just how much she means to him. He knows it deep down inside he just needs a few minutes to really think about it and realize what he feels for her. I just cant see how the both of them haven't realized what they have with each other yet, but of course its not real life its a fiction series therefore we of course have to wait until the final book. JKR wouldn't have it any other way. And I am still confident with the H/Hr pairing and book 7 I just wish that harry didn't take Hermione for granted sometimes like he does. Oh well he's only human...plus hes a boy..lol J/k...sorta.

Thanks guys you really lifted my Harmony spirits. By the way I am definitely suspicious of Ginny and the whole HBP deal. Nothing adds up, somethings not right but no one can put their finger on it! I hope there's gonna be another Ginny Hermione face off like the Hermione Cho one where Harry sided with Hermione. We need that again. I hate how he didn't defend Hermione in HBP but I kind of understand what the deal was. Its not like Ginny was directly insulting Hermione like Cho...until that Quidditch comment of course . harry definitely should have said something there. but what can you do?

And Gamma you are so right. H/G is just not right. H/Hr is perfect. But i'm not sure that Ginny deserves Neville at this point. i was all for it 1-5 but now i think Draco and Ginny would suit each other better. Neither of them are evil (yet) but neither of them are good either. anywayz. Thats all for now my fellow Harmonians.

OBHPF

I've always thought that Harry and Hermione will end up together in book seven. and I guess that JKR didn't put together before so they could grow up, share experiences together and built a foundation for which their future relationship will lay.

HXR? no thank you. And Im all for Neville and Ginny.

*Dances Around*
YAY!!! New people on the thread!

Your welcome, bigkisses13! It's the job of a fellow Harmonian to raise each other up when down. I've been kind of depressed lately that Harry and Hermione wouldn't happen because J. K. Rowling will be thick with us, but I can't help but hope otherwise! It's just so perfect! You weren't slighting my gender there, now where you... (just playing with you! I can be really thick like Harry every now and then too)

I am stubborn to the end! Book 7 HAS TO HAPPEN!!!

*Crosses fingers* Come on you two...

If Jo gets Hermione and Ron together I'll get my wand out and won't even invite her to duel, I'll just curse her with a huge Avada Kedavra


Mod Edit: This is not a venom thread. This is for the support of H/Hr. If you dislike R/Hr, please make your way over to the R/Hr venom thread where your comments would be more appropriate.

More like if she doesn't get Harry and Hermione together, because it is so perfect!!! Gosh, I really hope she doesn't ignore the fact that - intentionally or not - she wrote something with great depth and potential to it. I'm hoping it was intentional...

When I think about it, the only evidence that I see against us is The Interview, which for some weird reason I think might have just been altered a bit to suit the interviewer's opinions better... I really wouldn't put it past him... Look, how many sources do we have of that Interview? Just Mugglenet and TLC; the others are just copied from their sites.

How many people were present during their interview, again? (or were there other reporters there as well...?). JKR herself wouldn't bother to check up on them to make sure it is accurate... And I can't see anyone else who would know, but would care if it was changed...

Sorry, but I'm in a conspiracy mood right now...

Numenor

The way I heard it is that JKR set up the interview (why I will never understand!) with Mugglenet (Spartz) and Leaky Cauldron (Anelli). She apparently had heard of these two web sites. I don't know why she limited herself to just those two though. Perhaps they are more akin to her shipping beliefs (slaps self for saying this! Ow!).

No other ship was represented at this interview. Over these past few months I have come to the conclusion that Spartz pretty much dominated the interview. I'll go so far as to say that he even put words into JKR's mouth, cutting her off at times. There were times that JKR didn't even finish her answer and was forced to be redirected all because of Spartz' interruptions. As for Anelli, she must have just sat there looking 'star struck' for merely being in the presence of JKR. As I recall, Anelli didn't say much.

I just hate everything there is about this particular interview. Everything! I even get annoyed with JKR for having set it up. Spartz' head must have really swelled, because he has published a book (you can find it at your local bookstore's bargain bin! ) where he seems to have taken quite a few liberties as to what is happening in the HP series. I wonder how JKR feels about all of that?! After all, she seems to protect her HP story line and gets upset when people figure it all out!

I have noticed that JKR hasn't had any more fan based interviews like the one between Spartz and Anelli. Too bad. I was hoping she would give Harmony the opportunity to say why we ship H/Hr.

Before this interview, H/Hr was a strong probablity. After the interview, many Harmonians believe that H/Hr just isn't going to happen. I tend to hold on to the faith! H/Hr can and will happen!

It's really nice to see that the film makers of Potter don't know if H/Hr are going to happen so they still (to the dismay of R/Hr shippers and to the glee of us) have to include H/Hr moments - as we can see from the trailer (H/Hr hug after Harry enters Grimmauld Place).

A couple more nice H/Hr scenes were intended for the film but whether it'll be in the final edit I'm not sure. I hope so

xxx

There are times that I wish that JKR would sell her rights to the last two books so that the screenwriters can continue to give us H/Hr. (yeah, right, like she'd give up that revenue!) H/Hr really burns up the screen, and the film writers know this! Too bad that HBP has to be filmed! Dan and Bonnie won't have the same chemistry that he and Emma have on screen (and off as well!)

But, JKR will never do that. She's too savvy a business woman - even though she has more money than she knows what to do with!

harry trys to deny it but he loves her

thx for the thread

What are you talking about? She's already sold her film rights.....and people would be angry if they changed the shipping completely in the films....

I do, however, wish that we could pay Dan and Emma to shoot a few scenes kissing each other in Harry and Hermione gear....you know, give us what we've always longed to see on screen and great material for HHr vids, and then all shippers could be happy! Maybe it sounds wrong, but even as an outtake or something....those two have such amazing chemistry I would LOVE to see them kissing! It'd be a much hotter kiss than anytrhing Rupert and Emma would ever be able to cook up (especially considering Rupert's reluctance!) or Dan adn Bonnie....but alas, I think it's unlikely to happen! The most I dream for is Emma and Dan working on another movie some day together in which they ARE love interests...they are just too cute together, which makes HHr even cuter on screen--I'm so grateful that they were cast as Harry and Hermione.....

Let me see if I can clarify what I said earlier about JKR selling her rights to her books so that they could be turned into movies. What I meant to say was that I hoped that she would completely sever her ties so that the screenwriters would do what they wanted with the shipping (should it turn out NOT to be H/Hr in the books of course). Naturally, the other plots would have to remain the same, or it just wouldn't be a Harry Potter movie. But I doubt that JKR has done this. I believe she still has some say as to the screenplay. Did I clear this up? Or did I just muddy things up more?! I'll just quit while I'm ahead!

I too would like to see Dan and Emma, as Harry and Hermione, kiss - and I'm not talking about a peck on the cheek! I also would love to see them do a film together - having nothing to do with Harry Potter! That would be FANtastic!

hey y'all
i've been reading harry potter out loud to my dad starting from the beginning (Because he will learn to love Harry Potter like I do) and every time i get to a Harmony moment I read it slowly and loudly with lots emphasis. He gets kinda of annoyed but he knows how i feel about Harmony. hes already seen the mvoies and i've talked to him so much about the books he pretty much knows whats going on but I am determined for him to get everything. hopefully after the final book he will be a true harmony shipper. he claims he is but i think its just to humor me.well we're only on CoS but i cant wait for OotP. I'll me speaking with emphasis for half the book. anyway just felt like contributing a little to the harmony lovin.

Oh yeah. i have decided that once i get DH at midnight o' course i'm grabbing some pumpkin pie and shutting myself up in my room with my book and my pie until i've finished it. then after i jump around and dance because of the sweet harmony, then i will regret eating all of that pie, and THEN i shall exit my room and begin reading the book to my dad without telling him anything that happens so he has to find out the slow way. okay thats all.

Oh, lol, that reminds me of when my friend and I tried making pumpkin pasties according to an article in a newspaper, but then...My friend: "Is your toaster oven supposed to be smoking like that?" Lol, so we ended up with pumpkin filling...which tasted like pumpkin pie! We ate this before going to the party....sadly we also made butterbeer, which was truly awful and made us feel kind of sick....so the moral is, don't make butterbeer!

Yeah, my dad doesn't see HHr, but oh well....we listen to the books on tape/CD in the car on our trips--that's the only reason why I've read/heard HBP a second time....*shudders*

Does anyone have any special Harmony-related plans for the release of DH besides that? I have a Harmony button I made by printing out the PoA pic of him holding her, putting it on another button, and writing "We Belong Together" in pen on it....I've worn it in past years, though I don't know if I will this year....I'm definitely going to try to make anti-H/G T-shirt using one of the hilarious Team Voldemort patterns on their site (though I supposed that's OT here), though maybe I'll wear the pin too, or make a different one...it's always fun to get a reaction!

I'm kind of dreading DH (visions of uber-cheesy and sickening H/G dance through my head--I don't think HHr is going to happen, though that would be awesome of course), but I'm still curious about how it will all end...I just hope some jerk doesn't open up to the last page and yell out "HARRY DIES!" or something like that....

But on a more HHr-related note, here's a really cool HHr vid I found--it's an HP version of the Moulin Rouge trailer with HHr as the main couple Christian and Satine--it really fits well too!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLe4bDONnvU

There are times that I feel that JKR is truly a Heron and Chocolate at heart and will leave Harmony with an "I told you so" or "I gave you all those anvils". But then again, when I read those wonderful passages in the books regarding Harry and Hermione, and when I see all of those beautiful scenes between Harry and Hermione in the movies (and we all know of the great chemistry between Dan and Emma!) then I think that JKR has got to give us H/Hr. She wrote it as such to where I (and many of you) have arrived to these conclusions about H/Hr. Right? Harry and Hermione make a good couple too. I will never give up hope. I will forever feel that these two belong together.

I only hope that JKR's intent all along has been to give us one of those Jane Austen twists to the shipping. It has to be H/Hr. Let's not forget the people who have never read the books, and probably don't intent to, but have seen the HP movies. Many of these folks see H/Hr as happening too, primarily because of the way the screenwriter (namely Kloves) has written the screenplays for the HP movies. How can we all be wrong?!

Dumbledore's Widow, that's exactly how I feel.

I listen to what she says, and I get disheartened, but then I read what she's written and I get giddy. It's kind of weird. On the one hand, she's kind of made it clear that she doesn't plan on making Harry get together with Hermione, but on the other hand she has never outright refuted it, nor has she struck the moments from the books. They keep coming.

Gah! It has to be! It just has to be! Please let it be! I'm begging!

Yeah, that's about my response to her. Begging and pleading for her "to do what's right over what is easy", to turn her own words back on her.

I am so evile...

Sorry, the correct slogan is "To choose what's right over what's Weasley", lol!

I think JK explained it when she said that sometimes her characters took lives of their own and wandered away from her original plan--she even said that Hermione in particular liked to wander....wander away from Ron and close to Harry, I'd imagine. So I think it's perfectly reasonable to assume she might have written all those moments unintentionally perhaps, BUT THEY'RE STILL THERE! I just hate the argument that "Oh, there can't be any HHr moments b/c she didn't intend HHr"--the lady said it herself, her characters sometimes wandered away from her plan--and then in HBP she said she was very strict about sticking to her original plan. In other words, I think in that statement JK was practically admitting to having written some more ambiguous moments that could have been strongly seen as HHr than she might have intended. What I think happened is that she writes OoTP, in which Hermione REALLY wanders most of all, gluing herself to Harry practically, working side-by-side with him like a true partner, so that OoTP is the HHr Bible. Then JK goes online for the first time and sees all the HHr sites, and goes "Wait a minute--I guess I wasn't so clear about my Heron/HG plan after all! That Hermione is wandering too much! Whyever isn't the audience understanding that invisible!Ginny is the one for him all along?" (Sorry I couldn't resist that last bit--still can't help but snicker at her big "plan" she discusses for HG and how she believed she was building thatg up all along. Anyway...). So she then starts writing HBP strictly according to plan, ruthlessly yanking Hermione back into said plan (which I think explains her sudden OOC-ness--here she was developing nicely in the last few books, esp. in OoTP, then her great development is suddenly cut short and reversed--I guess b/c that was how Hermione was supposed to act in the original plan), and pushing forward Ginny Sue into Hermione's place as Alpha Female in Harry's life (b/c without doubt in OOTP Hermione is the most important female in Harry's life, and you get the impression that she wouldn't relinquish such a position very freely--until half her brain is given to Ginny in HBP, lol and she is forced to make room). At the same time, it's like JK destroyed HHr's beautiful friendship just so there was no doubt or ambiguity--which was very annoying since I love HHr's interactions best of all even if they are only platonic and not romantic--they have such an amazing close bond, I love reading about their special near-telepathic abilities (the way they often communicate with only a glance, while Ron is in the dark), the way they work so well together in tandem, etc--and so that was part of why HBP was such an awful book, that the friendship was gone as well! And then JK even through in that Hippogriff comment in the infamously vomit-inducing (and yet only) HG scene about the tattoos, as if to make fun of the whole "Symbolic Flight" thing which she surely must have seen online had she browsed HHr sites as she claimed she did. So I feel that much of HBP was her trying to kill any notion of HHr--not just with all the RHr and HG nonsense, but by attacking their relationship period and Hermione's character--all to get back to her original plan.

So I consider myself an HHr books 1-5 shipper (esp. since HHr are such awful people in HBP I'm not even sure I'd want them together anymore!), and will defend to the death that the moments exist in the first 5 books--JK herself acknowledged that Hermione wandered from the plan, when much of the HHr evidence points to Hermione loving Harry--it makes sense that those moments thus would exist even if JK didn't intend them. Hermione apparently had a life of her own and preferred Harry over Ron, lol, and wandered over to him, even if her Master and Creator wanted her with someone else! So it all comes down to me wishing that JK had let the series and her characters take her where THEY wanted to go, rather than her original plan, since clearly the direction Hermione wanted to go was much superior to the plan!

I know that there are many here who think HHr is still going to happen, but this is just my take on it....

sherrilinia - you pretty much said it in a nutshell! It could very well be that Hermione got ahead of JKR more than just a little bit and she decided to bring it back to how she really wants it.

The thing is, I just don't understand why she honestly would believe that R/Hr and H/G is the way it should be. What is it about H/Hr that she cannot stomach? If you and I, and all other Harmonians can see it happening, why can't she? She's already had a healthy dose of it (Harmony) because she herself has admitted that Hermione has gotten a little ahead of her. Am I making any sense here?!

It's really depressing to think that JKR really and honestly thinks that the way she brought H/G and supposedly, R/Hr, together in HBP is really romantic. Should this happen in real life - it would be relationships that will eventually end up on the divorce dockets. There's no doubt in my mind.

Personally, I am holding on to my hope that it will be H/Hr in the end. I truly believe that they are soul mates and should be together.
I won't give up on them. Not until the fat lady sings!

Here, here! My thoughts exactly! I shan't give up until the last word, even if it is hopeless. And don't worry, Dumbledore's Widow, I think you make perfect sense. I think, as you and sherrilina do, that Hermione got too far ahead of J. K. Rowling like she admitted and was attempting to reel her back in during Half-Blood Prince - which somewhat jepordised her character. But she still has time to turn it around!

In response to your post, sherrilina, when I read it yesterday, I was reminded strongly of an anime - Gundam Seed Destiny - that I just finished watching. To give you the brief gist of the connection I made, let me explain: There is this dictator-ish type character who wants to lead all the human race into a future where there is no conflict, but to do so requires the Destiny Plan - which basically takes everyone's genes and pre-determines where they are best fit in life, so they ultimately don't have any free choice. And then I thought of Harry and Hermione, who (at least on Hermione's part) are displaying the beginnings of something much stronger, and I can't help but put J. K. Rowling in the role of that person, sitting on her throne and pre-determining the destiny of each of her characters, choosing to stick to the plan rather than let them follow the path the develops. (trust me, the guy in the anime was sitting on the throne that looked a lot like a rip-off from Emperor Palpitine of Star Wars... )

Yeah, so, I have a feeling that J. K. Rowling could be doing one of two things here: 1. She really doesn't mean for Harry and Hermione to get together, and this is all an accident that she didn't intend to write. If so, I say she should just stay with it, because even she had to see how strong it was to throw caution to the wind and state clearly what relationships she wanted in Half-Blood Prince rather than Deathly Hallows. Or... 2. She really intends for Harry and Hermione to happen, and she is jsut playing coy to let us astray.

Or, there can even be a third option: She wants to write it so Harry and Hermione don't get together, but she may even secretly enjoy that relationship even more. Let's face it: it could be her subconscious shining through in her work, and she personally may favour Harry together with Hermione without knowing it and blatantly refusing to accept it.

You never know...

I agree,I have ranted and written J.K. many letters on which I personally think could persuade anyone into H/Hr.It is bound to happen sometime,why not now?!I am completely outraged.You don't get Harmony without LOVE!I don't get why people call R/HR "THE GOOD SHIP" there is nothing good about that ship,they fight and bicker all the time,whilst Harry and Hermione understand each other and are willing to accept that Ron is an arrogant prat who is rude and selfish.Why it wasn't Harry and Hermione in GOF when she made another point after POA,when Hermione kissed Harry,on the cheek,however STILL KISSED HARRY,not RON,but HARRY.

Also I agree when you(theharryinme,dumbledore's widow,and sherrilinia)when said Hermione got a little bit ahead of JKR....

as for now,ttyl,your fellow harmony fan,
Jo.

Lol, yes, that does sound like what I was saying...I did once think of writing a fanfic about Hermione loving Harry, but against her will finding herself being forced by some mysterious higher power to go after Ron--the description would be like "It seems that JK wants to put Ron and Hermione together. But what if Hermione herself doesn't want it to be that way?" and be about her struggling against the all-powerful "goddess" or Master JK to be with the one she really loves, but failing in the end and being forced to completely submit to JK's plan, while Harry watches sadly, the only one in the end who still remembers Hermione's feelings for him. It would all start with her kissing Ron on the cheek in OoTP--"Why did I do that? What came over me?" that kind of thing....maybe I will still write it one day, I still find it an interesting concept, especially in light of JK's later words that Hermione sometimes wandered away from/resisted her original plan!


Lol, yes, that does sound like what I was saying...I did once think of writing a fanfic about Hermione loving Harry, but against her will finding herself being forced by some mysterious higher power to go after Ron--the description would be like "It seems that JK wants to put Ron and Hermione together. But what if Hermione herself doesn't want it to be that way?" and be about her struggling against the all-powerful "goddess" or Master JK to be with the one she really loves, but failing in the end and being forced to completely submit to JK's plan, while Harry watches sadly, the only one in the end who still remembers Hermione's feelings for him. It would all start with her kissing Ron on the cheek in OoTP--"Why did I do that? What came over me?" that kind of thing....maybe I will still write it one day, I still find it an interesting concept, especially in light of JK's later words that Hermione sometimes wandered away from/resisted her original plan!

About JKR's letting Hermione wander away from her original plan ...

I have to ask why JKR would even allow this. She's the one in charge. She's the one with the almighty pen at hand! What she writes is what is important.

Something that has alway bothered me about JKR is the way she treats Harry and Hermione ... it's as if she doesn't like them all that much. I can't help but wonder that they each remind her of people she didn't care for. But why would she even do this? IMO, she much prefers Ron and Ginny. She likes Ginny so much that she had to write a book (HBP) just for her. She could just as easily left well enough alone. But, no, she just had to "get Harry and Ginny together, and then have them part". Book 5 left many people thinking that H/Hr had a chance of getting together. Then book 6 came along and we got nothing.

Incidentally, in book 6 JKR let Hermione wander off - wayyyy off into some dark part of the universe, because she sure wasn't the same girl we had come to know from the previous 5 books! Ditto for Harry. To me, both of them were just not the same two people. And for what? To bring a secondary character into the limelight, when she was doing just fine where she was!

Well maybe Hermione is just too independent and smart for JK's plan, lol! Especially if the Hermione we see in HBP is supposed to be Plan!Hermione...*shudders*. No wonder Hermione tried to wander so far away! But I guess what happened to the characters was necessary to artificially bring RHr and HG together....I won't say anything more on RHr and HG since that's for another thread, except that in OoTP Hermione is without doubt the most important female in Harry's life--as we see when things come to a head with Cho, it's Hermione who wins out without question. So there's no way they could have done HG (aka a non-HHr pairing) without diminishing Hermione and her relationship with Harry in SOME way--otherwise there just wouldn't be room for another red-haired girl....

Also, for any fans of the show "Angel" out there, I've said it before, but Cordy/Angel on that show is so much like HHr it's almost eeyrie....it hit me again the other day when I was watching an epp at the end of season 3 and this conversation came up:

*Before Angel rushes off to do something he shouldn't*

Cordy: Wait! Angel, we have to do that thing.
Angel: What thing?
Cordelia: The thing we do. You know, that thing where I say 'are you sure you know what you're doing' and 'Angel, please think about this' and then you ignore me and rush head-long into trouble?
Angel: Right. That thing. 'kay. We done?

Am I the only one who thinks that could have been a conversation b/t Harry and Hermione in the end of OoTP if say, the names were switched? Just eeyrie I tell you....oh Hermione, thank goodness for you actually having the nerve to warn Harry when he needs to be warned and not just ego-stroke him to get brownie points, while letting him go off and kill himself...now I'm annoyed that Harry learned nothing in HBP from OOTP when it comes to Hermione (but then everyone was idiotic and horrible in that book, except Luna!)....b/c seriously, HELLO?! He definitely does need her, b/c otherwise I don't know how he'll survive DH, walking into traps all over the place with no one to warn him, etc!

Ahh the Harmony. I dont know how i feel about Hermione "getting ahead" of JKR. I mean it makes sense except we've been seeing Harmony through all the books. Mostly in boks 3 and 5. So while yes Hermione might have gottne away from JKR in book 5 it doesnt changed the fact that compared to say book 3 Hermione HBP Hermione is way off, but then again GoF Hermione is similar to HBP Hermione but she's still not even near as bad as that. I dont think that Hermione could have gotten away from JKR through pretty much 3 book sat least. I mean i see heavy evidence for H/Hr in all 5 books. Theres always a good chance that Hermione wasnt the character that took on a life of its own even though she does seem the most likely.

I'm pretty much in denial of anything that might sink our ship.

By the way i just finished a new vid this morning and its mostly about our dear harry but there is definitely some harmony.

Show Me What its like

bigkisses13, here is the quote that shows that JKR meant indeed Hermione when she talked about a character wandering off:



Even though JKR said that Hermione wandered off in terms of her political conschience, I feel that there is a good chance that Hermiones character has its own mind with other topics as well...
I still like to think or better: hope, that it wasn´t just a stubborn charcter reaction by Hermione that let me think that she has feelings for Harry despite JKRs real plans for her love life... I am the same like you on this topic, bigkisses13 - I saw clues of Hermione liking Harry more than a brother or friend in all books, even in HBP (after the second read and a lot of ranting, that is ). So I just hope that in the end, JKR will pull a big red herring on us and H/Hr will happen.This feeling usually is somewhere in between "I am so sure it will happen" and "I was just delusional and JKR isn´t as clever as I thought she would be", depending which day you will ask me. Sigh.

I feel the exact same way.

Now that i see the quote i'm even more sure that hermione is as she is supposed to be. it sounds like Hermione just wandered a little but it also sounds like JKR corrected her after a short while. It doesnt seem to have anything to do with H/hr