*sob* GUYYYYYSSSS!!!

I've just been to the Cast/Crew screening of OOTP and...and...and...



the film makers are making Ron and Hermione flirt.

Make them stop guys!!!

But on a slightly happier note there is great footage for some music vids when its released on DVD!

oh! I really wanna tell you what fab H/Hr stuff I saw but...it'd be classed as a spoiler and I dont wanna get in trouble so...

I'll write it here and if you wanna see it just highlight it:




It was then that I smiled and thought of you all here and how you'll all probably read into this with me too, for our own sakes


Mod Edit: With the new book and movie coming out, we'd like everyone to begin using the new spoiler policy that we have (when spoilers are outside specific forums) by using [spoiler*] Whatever [/spoiler*]. It will help in the long run.

Spoiler=AMAZING!!!

And don't worry about the flirting. If, as we believe, it turns out to be Harry and Hermione in the long run, the flirting will only help cover J. K. Rowling's tracks and not make the movies too obvious to follow. Besides, even the books are vague at best, hence why we are still discussing and debating the issue. I think that there will be a fair balance of the two in the movie, with more preference given to Ron and Hermione to help mask the strength and presence of Harry and Hermione. I mean, come on, the book just screams the two, and since the movies having been doing it as well it might have been a little overboard to adhere directly to the text without making it final. I kind of like keeping the debate going... Keeps me interested and up-to-date!

Ditto here, Inazuma: I think that Harry and Hermione is so well written that it is either a major fluke (not likely, but could be), or entirely true. The latter works for me, though!

What damage can harmless flirting do to our beloved ship? . The movies have been doing an excellent job and from reading the_one_to_watch's spoiler i don't think we have anything to worry about in the film.

I'm going to refer to the_one_to_watch's spoiler so only read if you want to...


I can't wait for OOTP now!!

I knew you guys would make me feel better.

I definatly hadn't lost faith in our ship in anyway. (As a matter of fact I was watching out for H/Hr scenes right from the very beginning of the film, getting excited at the prospect of eventually putting them in a music video with every H/Hr scene)

Love you Guys!
And I Love our ship!

xxx

[ps. Sorry about not putting the spoiler in a proper spoiler thing. I wasn't aware that that was how we were meant to do it. I've re-read the Spoiler Policy and I'm now up to scratch. Sorry again! ]

I dont know if all of you go to portkey anymore, but you should if you're a Harmonian!

Posted by jojo at portkey forums

Since I started searching the internet for all things Potter, I have found Harmonians'
reactions to HBP and JKR interviews to be everything from anger to despair. Because
H/Hr hasn't happened yet they think it won't happen. In fact, because it hasn't happened is
one reason to be optimistic. When it comes to heroes, a ship that sails early usually has
nowhere to go but down. The relationship usually gets in the way of the plot. Also, Harry
is a character in development. Someone he would fancy at one stage in his life, he may not
in another. The one thing to remember about JKR interviews is that you can't trust a
writer be truthful about a work in process. This does not mean she is a bad person. It's just
her job to protect her secrets(Of which, who does Hermione love is her favourite). Also,
keeping us off balance does 2 things: It keeps us talking, thinking, and writing about the
books. And it keeps us from delving into other plot elements. Besides, it's fun. Now I
know that there will be some Herons who will say that R/Hr hasn't happened yet so it
could happen. Possibly, but the rule for heroes do not apply to sidekicks. It's OK if they
have girlfriends. Also, R/Hr has had less obstacles and more opportunities that H/Hr. Ron
and Hermione were made prefects, but instead of using this time to spend in the prefects
compartment they seek out Harry. When Hermione attacks Ron in a seemly jealous rage in
HBP(I understand that jealousy is not a rational emotion), Hermione makes no real effort
to win him back. And when R/L is over she makes no real effort to establish their
relationship. When Ron tells Hermione that he loves her(For cleaning up the mess what
was his homework.), Hermione's only reaction is to tell Ron not to let Lavender hear him.
Ron's reaction to Hermione lightly brushing aside his declaration was to agree and look
around to make sure she wasn't in the area.

Now, what of Ginny? In HBP, Harry is dealing with some very emotional issues. The loss
of Sirius and his part in it. As well as nearly getting everyone killed in the DOM. His status
as 'The Chosen One' and what that means. The noise and confusion in his head was such
that he just wanted to escape(Which I think is why Ginny's scheme worked). Harry's half-
hearted attempts to get Slughorn's memory shows his resolve to destroy Voldemort is
waning. In Ginny, he's found a way to escape and be 'Just Harry'. As sad as it was,
Dumbledore had to die. 2 reasons: Harry was becoming Dumbledore's sidekick tagging
along while Dumbledore destroys Horcruxes. If Harry is to develop into the hero we
think he will become, he can't use Dumbledore as a crutch. And Dumbledore's death has
increased Harry' resolve to destroy Voldemort. Harry now no longer wants to escape, but
to set about the business of finding and destroying Horcruxes and confronting Voldemort.
Oh, and Snape as well. But, Harry is nowhere near ready for any of that. Harry needs
someone who will help him prepare and will push him to become that hero. The only one
who has done in the past(Dumbledore has been a father figure and great for info) is
Hermione. Dumbledore's death will pull Harry and Hermione together even more. Do I
think Dumbledore is really dead? Maybe, there are a number of inconsistencies with his
death though. But, if not, I don't think he'll do a Gandalf and ride over the hill to save
Harry. Perhaps, he'll do a PS/SS and show up at the end to enlighten Harry and the reader.
Even with Hermione's help, finding the Horcruxes and destroying them will be very
difficult. Ginny is still the wildcard in this. If she doesn't go quietly into the night, things
will go from bad to worse. How bad will depend on how long before she bows out. Harry
no longer needs to escape but to stay focused. I do find it interesting that some of what
Harry needs to be able to do everything he needs to do is also what he needs to truly
understand what love really is. And Hermione is the only one who can help him. Why do I
say that? Because, only Ron and Hermione know enough details to do so since they are
the only ones he's told. I apologise if I've rambled a bit. And I know I'm leaving out some
details. But if I've given you something to think about and perhaps a glimmer of hope then
maybe this is worth the space.

Portkey is like the ultimate H/Hr site- it has got so many good discussions(much like ours!) about H/Hr. In fact Portkey helped me to realise that H/Hr was 'my' ship.


Hear Hear Anything can happen in the last book, i like surprises


You're right Hermione is the only who can help Harry to love, as she is the one who understands Harry best and knows everything about him, which is more than can be said for a certain Weasley.....

Keep the faith alive
(btw do you like my new sig? It's in recognition of our wonderful ship!!)

When the first books came out I was full on for H/Hr and everyone told me no, but I never believed them!!! beyond_the_veil you make a good point... A certain Weasley can't help Harry.... Hermione can!!

by the way... I love you signature beyond_the_veil!!!!

Harry/Hermione Forever!!!!!!!!!!!

I cant wait for the movie + the last book.
I'm sosososo excited to see what happens with Harry and Voldemort, and this whole shipping issue!
After I see the movie, I'll come on here and squel about all the h/hr moments that I found in the movie
But.. I have a bit of a fear.. what if Hermione dies in the last book?
Wouldn't that kind of.. end shipping wars? The fact that she can't be with Ron or Harry?
But I don't want Hermione to die.. what do you guys think?

Bolding mine.

Hi Dominique!

I have to tell you that there is a big nasty rumour floating around that says that Hermione dies in book 7. I hope that this isn't true! Have you heard it?

That will put an end to the question, "Will it be R/Hr or H/Hr?"

I hope that it's just a rumour and not much more. We'll get our answer soon, in just three more weeks.

Well I had a theory that Hermione does die but only because (and I hope this is the case) she confesses her true love for Harry or Harry realises how much he loves Hermione or something along those lines. And the only way Harry has the strength to defeat Voldermort is if Hermione dies to save him (in a Lily-esqu way. Someone who he loves/loves him deeply gives him the strength to defeat Voldermort).

Yeah it means that Harry/Hermione doesnt happen, but it's a safe way for Ron/Hermione not to happen either!
But it also means Harry/Hermione would've had a chance if Hermione hadn't died to save Harry

This is just my theory!

H/Hr all the way

Just so long as Ginny doesn't her worm her way to Harry's side and stir up that dumb below the chest monster!

I hope that if this were to happen that Harry will become a monk! Like I think Dumbledore was!

However, I really, really, really do hope that Hermione doesn't die!!!!!

We all know now that "the power the dark lord know not" is love. For Harry to defeat the Dark Lord he'll need love. (ok sorry if i ramble now but i must get all these ideas out) Soo...Harry will find the horcruzes and destroy them then to vanquish Voldemort then he just has to destroy the last remaining bit of soul Voldemort has in him. Now when Lily died for Harry we know that Voldemort didnt die completely because he has his horcruzes but if that were to happen again then this time he would be gone for sure. But it has to be someone who really, really loves Harry.I think perhaps Harry will attempt to murder Voldemort in a one-on-one duel (wandless of course) and somehow Hermione will get caught in the middle and therefore sacrifice her life for Harry. (perhaps) Could be. WHo knows. I dont want Hermione to die at all but if someone loved Harry so much as to die for him it would be Hermione whose love is pure, true not based on jealousy nor superficial, an understanding love and deep.

Many people have stated that they dont think Harry will or should have a lady love at the end and if it goes on that route It'll be because his love died. I dont know if Hermione dying would be the best though. Harry would feel heartbroken and extremely guilty. Itd be hard for him to be happy.....

But if we follow the supposed alchemy theory, Harry and Hermione would both be immortal right?? So maybe Harry thinks only he is immortal and when Hermione throws herself infront of Harry everyone thinks shes dead and stuff but then shes not...

ok. Ill stop!!
Watch after the book 7 comes out I'll be laughing at my absurd crazy theories!!!

On the 6th of July this friday Jonathan Ross will be interviewing JKR, I'm very excited about this interview, most especially because Jonathan Ross seems to be a fan of Harry and Hermione.

Some Harmonians are scared, but I'm not worried, to be honest. If she wanted to sink H/Hr, she would have already done that. And it'd be stupid of her to sink ANY ship this close to the release of book 7.

I don't think she'll give all that much away, if anything.

What do you guys think?

P.S.: Channel: BBC one (england)
:Time: 10:35 - 11:35 pm

I'm on tether hooks waiting to find out! Can you please post a link here to an article summarising the interview once it comes out? I would really appreciate it!

As for what I think... I agree that she won't give anything away this close to the end - that would just be foolish. I do think, thought, she would have the audacity to say something that seemingly supports one side or the other and gets things riled up and ready for Deathly Hallows! I can't wait!!!

Any chance of posting a video from this show? Or am I asking too much?

I'm on pins and needles about the interview, especially since I don't get the BBC here on my hometown cable! Rats!

I also don't think that she will reveal much. But, you never know. As usual, we'll have to read between the lines!

Not shippy, but we now know that scar is no longer the last word in the book. That means all the spoilers that include scar as the last word are bogus.


QUOTE
When asked by the chat show host whether the word "scar" was still the last word in the book, as had been reported, she said: "Scar? It was for ages, and now it's not.

"Scar is quite near the end, but it's not the last word."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml...nrowling106.xml

I was following a "play by play" type of posting on another website. Someone who was watching the BBC's Jonathon Ross show was posting about the interview between Ross and JKR.

It's like I thought it would turn out - she didn't give anything 'away'. She did say that the word scar is no longer the last word in the book. She talked about things that we already are privy to, but that's it. Nothing new. Waste of my time.

this has got to be the most confusing theory..but i hope you get it....
ok...talking harry hermione..

The first girl Harry went out with is Cho chang, whom he has known the shortest..in terms of feelings for another girl..
The Second Girl he went out with, Ginny- he's known her kind of second longest.
And the girl he's known longest and hasnt YET gone out with is Hermione....its a 3-2-1 pattern....if you get it...

Any theory that supports a Harmony filled ending..I agree!!!

And, you know, it makes sense.

Wow, I haven't been here in forever...hello fellow Harmonians!

And wow, has anyone else seen the movie?! I was pretty disappointed by the RHr-ness of it, especially in the scene after Harry's kiss, when Hermione's emotions were a lot more ambiguous than as seen in the film, and Ginny, and the fact that so mnay great HHr scenes were cut, there were still some AMAZING HHr scenes, especially when Harry is only able to remember love and fight off Voldemort when he sees Hermione and remembers their hug....awwww. that was just soooo cute and squee-worthy! As DD says, love will be Harry's weapon against LV, and in this case it was his love for Hermione that started him fighting--while Ginny remained nowhere in sight in any of the flashbacks! Lol!

Also, and I don't think this is too spoilery, but I love how they show in the movie the way Hermione is always so in tune to Harry's state of mind and well being, as seen in the books--like when Hermione is the one who notices his hand and is the ONLY one to see Harry collapse, even when he's doing so in a huge crowd of people! I mean, the way it's all in slow mo, her turning around and looking at Harry, all concerned, going over to him

Plus I love the scene when they start DD's army, and Hermione is standing by Harry, comforting him, being there for him, though I wish they freaking showed that they were holding hands! (Which they were, as evident in the picture!)

Plus of course there's the HHr scenes that were included, Hermione stopping Umbridge from torturing Harry (where were you Ginny?!), and the two of them with Umbridge in the woods though I'm annoyed they cut out Harry saving Hermione from Grawp...instead they have Ron trying to do so in an earlier scene--booo! ! Awww....

So while things weren't as HHr shippy as I'd have liked, given that OOTP is the HHr-shipping bible, I thought there were some really great scenes that show how much Harry loves her, even if it's only platonically, and I love that that scene of Hermione throwing herself at him--Hermione attack! --gets played over and over again in the movie in memories and flashbacks--it's the first movie where we get that much bang for our HHr hug buck! (I hope that's not too spoilery, since everyone knows about the hug--you just get to look forward to seeing it played more than once!)

Hope everyone sees it to discuss it soon!

And lol, I was discussing the movie with someone on a Buffyverse forum, and the guy, who had never read any of the books, said that on screen it looked much more like HHr and that there was barely any RHr vibe in comparison, thanks to the chemistry b/t D/E--he said that if they want to get RHr together they can't have Harry and Hermione in the same room together, or it won't be convincing! So true--anyway, thought you'd enjoy that!

Yea! Let the movie discussion begin.

sherrilina, I completely agree with what you said about the post-kiss scene, although there was a very nice line where Hermione says "I'm sure Harry's kissing is more than satisfactory!", or something like that. Pretty cute .

Also, while I was mad about the loss of Cho jealousy over Hermione, the near-death scene, and the snowy-hair scene, the film still included some great shippy moments for HHr, as you mentioned (the slow-mo scene when Harry is collapsing is my absolute favorite, followed closely by the scene near the end where Harry looks at Hermione and remembers how important it is to be loved ). Plus, the RHr shippy scenes were pretty tame, and mostly Ron-sided, which is accurate to the book. The treament of Ginny was also accurate to the book. She was in the background quite often, but Harry barely ever looks at her. In fact, she has more intereaction with Harry in the book than in the film, so there was no attempt to lessen Hermione's role and push Ginny to the forefront, so their dating adventures in the next film will be even more of a surprise to filmgoers than it was to readers.

So, all in all, status quo for the film's shipping. Some scenes missing, some added, all just as ambiguous as the books. Plus, no other couple in the films can touch the level of chemistry stirred up between Dan and Emma, and the filmmakers are clearly still well aware of that fact. Personally, I think all of this looks very good for the possibility of a seventh-book shake-up of the ships!

I saw the film three weeks ago at the cast/crew screening and have been dying to get on here and discuss the sqee-ness of the H/Hr moments!!!

Yay!

It's been made apparent how much influence JK has on the script and the final cut (what with Kreacher---ok one example, but it's an example!):

I'm happy (even if its in my own mind) that JK has kept in the type of R/Hr scenes as more decoys in preperation for the final book (darn, I'm gonna look back on this comment next week after finishing the book...I'm gonna hate it and feel stupid if I'm wrong!) and has asked certain H/Hr scenes to be kept in as more clues for the 7th book.

I really hope that's what she's done.

It's like I said a few weeks back, Yates has got in touch with the H/Hr connection beautifully

Go H/Hr!

(isnt it wierd that the...fate(?) of this ship kinda hangs in the balance in 8 days time It's not that I dont have faith, it's just a scary thought!)

xxx

In preperation for next week's book release I've already started making celebratory H/Hr avatars...is that too cocky?

Cocky? Not at all. Go for it. In fact, I'm wearing bright orange nail polish as I tap away on my keyboard, it's my way of celebrating H/Hr!

I sense that JKR has done a real number on her readers, because she has been, and remains up to now, quite vague about a lot of things, including the shippings. Have you noticed how she doesn't answer things straight out. Often she answers questions with a question. Frustrating. But, I have to say that I just do not believe that she will have given out the final ships in an interview two years before the release of her final book! To me, it is all red herrings. Besides, she said so herself that she enjoys the shipping wars.

None of us know for sure how the shippings will turn out. However, there have been so many great theories regarding Harmony that it just has to be H/Hr! Frankly, anything less is unbelievable.

Go Harmony!

I went and saw the movie last night, and came away disappointed. There were only a few H/Hr moments, that really stuck in out compared to the book. I actually thought that they did more R/Hr stuff and Ginny with the green eyed monster, maybe this was to get those who only watch the movies ready for the shock of the shipping in movie 6.
I think though that there was still enough H/Hr moments to keep us believing, that in the future our ship will sail.

Till 9.01am Saturday 21st (Sydney, Australia time), here's hoping.

I watched the movie on it's premiere date here in Philippines, and yes, I must say that it is rushed and a bit jumbled. The sequences of events are not accurate to the book, and it might confuse moviegoers who decided not just to watch the movies but read the books as well. Steve Kloves was better than that Michael Goldenberg, although I am not forgetting to thank him for the [you-know-what, the entirely best non-canon scene that ever happened].

It was heartbreaking, the flashes of memories, especially the one of Harry on his first year. [sorry, but I can't find that thing for spoilers, the black one you put on your posts. But I guess I'll just stop talking about it until all of them people who posts here already watched the movie. Please teach me the spoiler post thing.] Thanks.

Ah, I've been suffocating for the past week and feel I can finally breath properly! I have so much information to share and get out before the book release!

Usually a trip to the ocean is nice and relaxing, offering time to sit on the beach in the sun and have fun. But I found my leisure time punctuated by some startling things. Thinking I'd be the clever one, I took books 1-5 along to read and I was basically crying at all the stuff I'd overlooked that pointed away from Harry and Hermione (for the first three books, mind you). Then I started Goblet of Fire and was somewhat satisfied at the end, what with Hermione's feelings cumulating to her kiss and Krum's clear suspicion of "the boy she talks often about"! And now I am on Order of the Phoenix and I can confidently say that Hermione underwent some sort of transformation in Goblet of Fire that made her see Harry in a new light.

I was depressed most of the week by reading all the subtle Ron and Hermione moments - what with the movie and picking up on Hermione's reaction to things that could be construed as feeling for Ron - but I'm glad to be back to re-boost my confidence before the 21st.

Here are some observations I made on the books (Order of the Phoenix movie thoughts will follow):

P.S.
The hug at the end, of course, showing how deeply Hermione admires Harry.
Hermione's fixation on Harry's Qudditch performance.

C.o.S.
More Hermione admiration in knowing Harry would solve the mystery.

P.o.A.
Oddly enough, more concern for Harry in Quidditch (honestly, isn't this a sport Hermione isn't supposed to understand, according to Ron, Harry and Ginny? ).
Hermione's concern about the Firebolt (again, Harry's safety).
Hermione's expectation that he would support her in the "Great Scabbers Argument".

G.o.F.
Hermione's fixation on Krum at the World Cup (not exactly Harmony, but it highlights once more her understanding of the sport she is presumed so ignorant of).
Hermione's growing fixation in making sure Harry passes each task. By the third task, she seems genuinely worried about him.
Krum's suspicions about Hermione's fixation with any- and everything Harry.
And, obviously, the kiss - not to mention that Hermione matures in her relationships towards the end, which could account for this.

O.o.t.P.
Hermione's anxiety over Harry at being stuck in Number Four, his hearing (even though she was convinced he had no case against him...), etc.
Hermione's close understanding of Harry's feelings, especially when Ron is totally oblivious to what is going on.
Hermione's excitement at her presumption on the assignment of Prefects.
Harry's unwillingness to look at Hermione as she borrows Hedwig to send word about becoming a Prefect to her parents.
Understanding of Malfoy's dogging hints...
Malfoy "touching a nerve" with Hermione when he mentions that Ron was made Prefect and not Harry.

...and more to come as I finish Order of the Phoenix and proceed to Half-Blood Prince!


And, I can hardly round out this rant of mine without saying something of the movie, because I have been dying to for days now!

Order of the Phoenix disappointed me and had me on the floor in tears of joy. I didn't appreciate all the rushing from one scene to the next, nor the continued use of "Ronald" and stuff going between Ron and Hermione (though I agree it was mostly Ron to Hermione).

However, I absolutely loved a couple things:

By far, my favourite was the bridge scene as Harry and Hermione meet the other four when they are deciding to head to the Department of Mysteries. It could have just been mere coincidence, and perhaps I looked to far into the scene (not likely), but did anyone else notice the standing arrangements? I could have sworn I saw Harry and Hermione side by side facing Neville next to Ginny and Ron next to Luna... or were my eyes simply deceiving me, and I really have become delusional... I think that was no accident... I actually almost lost it and started to cheer in the middle of the screening, but thought better of it.

My other favourite parts were when Hermione threw herself on Harry upon his arrival to Grimmauld Place, the whole looking back scene when he has his Sirius "vision", and his resolution to love when his eyes fall on Hermione and the first thing he remembers is the hug at Grimmauld Place.

And, another scene where I believe they may have foreshadowed Harry and Hermione was the Black Family Tree scene. If you notice, Hermione comes and tells Harry they need to leave - nothing overly special, I'll admit. However, it's what happens next that really got me: Sirius mentions that, once this is all over, they'll be able to settle down and start a real family. Now, it could just be me over-analysing this, but that sort of screamed "HARMONY" to me. Why else have Hermione linger around? They could have easily let he pop her head in, say it's time to go, and leave. But they have her linger for Sirius' line, which got me thinking "Sirius is talking about starting to act more like family when the war's over with Harry, but could the directors have meant to hint that the three of them (or two, after Sirius is gone) are looking to starting a family once the war ends?"


Sorry for my winded triad, but I just had to get that load off my mind. I thought the movie focused a lot on the relationships of the other characters as well, especially with hints to the already debunked Neville/Luna (wasn't it nice to see him pull her away from the shelves in the Department of Mysteries? ), Ron/Luna (trust me, it was there, and I loved every minute of it), and everything else! I feel the directors wanted to please everyone in some way, which also served the purpose of keeping people guessing.

I am so excited for Judgement Day!!! Only six more and counting!

Kudos!

I have read it in Wikipedia that Ron is somewhat like JKR's bestfriend , then JKR says that she's a lot like Hermione.

I wonder what that leaves her husband, though. Could she refer Harry as her husband? There's a possibility. Even if interviewers ask JKR about this question, I think she won't answer. It's going to be like, giving out way too much information to the shipping world.

Even if JKR did not intend for Harry and Hermione to get together, I agree with everyone on this board that they definitely seem the most compatible.
Unfortunately, I doubt that JKR will set Harmony up in the actual seventh year of Hogwarts - I think she has worked too hard to distance herself from this ship (although I cannot, for the life of me, imagine why!)
My hope is that the book will at least imply that Harmony get together in the future. I remember JKR saying something about an epilogue - maybe that's when she can allude to Harmony eventually establishing a real, long-term commitment - even if we don't actually get the relationship.

^ That would be really sad, if JK didn't put the Harry/Hermione thing on the Year Seven thingy, but it would be really okay if she said or wrote, most probably, something like "something's beginning" between Harry and Hermione. It would be a sure yes, that they are feeling more than friendship.

Plus, I think Harry/Ginny is mostly sexual love, since they snog [you can't say no to that], and from what I have heard, the one you should choose to love, you should love him/her as a friend, and as a family too.

I also think that Harry and Hermione can mirror James and Lily. Hermione highly disapproved of Harry hexing people and using levicorpus, muffliato and other HBP spells, and Harry loves doing them, and he even messes his hair just like his Dad.

so, there.

Here, here! Harry and Hermione have such a strong, built-up relationship to just let it go to the dogs is unthinkable. They have displayed the kind of connection that many people wistfully dream of having in a relationship. Granted, it may be a bit Romantic for the ending to get them together, but let's face it - they deserve it!


By the way, to all of you with Portkey accounts, I advise you to stay off. They don't have quite the same anti-spoiler policy as Veritaserum, so chances are you can stumble across the "supposed" spoiled ending if you poke around there. I, for one, will be content with just visiting this site for the next we and talking to everyone here instead!

Harry and Hermione do deserve to have a relationship, they belong together. Nothing on God's green earth will sway me to believe otherwise.

As for not going to Portkey ... well, I don't care about reading the spoilers. After all, I plan to open book 7 and read the epilogue first! Yeah, I'm bad.

I'm actually not against spoilers, they kind of make me a lot more excited that JUST waiting. It makes me more thrilled to know what really happened. Unlike Dan, who was so furious. Lol.

Harry and Hermione really do belong together. The books and the movies are leaning more towards Harry and Hermione being together than Ron and Hermione. I mean, besides in HBP where Harry becomes suddenly interested on Ginny... weird. I was sssooo happy when they had all of the Harry/Hermione scenes! I almost screamed in the movie... almost. I was so happy

they didnt have all the Harry/Hermione scenes although I was happy with the ones they got in they didnt get Harry aving Hermione from Grawp by pulling her around a tree as she clung to him, they didnt Harry pulling her out from the smashes shelves int eh DoM, and they didnt have her near death expirence and Harry freaking out thinking she was dead. But I would rather they have those scenes in the books instead of the movies because thats cannon. I especially loved in the movie when he was seeing the good thoughts of his possesion and the first scene was Hermiones hug after being unpetrified and then Harry mentioning love and friendship. Nobody deserves love more than Harry and who better than Hermione the one person who was always at his side.

I was re-reading Order of the Phoenix, and something hit me:

Did we miss a kiss?!?!



Now, on the surface, it seems like she only gave Ron a kiss. But I read this and was like "She gave Harry a kiss too!!!" Let me explain.

If J. K. Rowling wrote this the way she did, why did she you an em dash (click to read it's usage on Wikipedia) over a period? An em dash indicates a less sudden stop in thought, unlike a period, and so it seems as if our lovely Hermione was cut off in her speech by something. As no one else is speaking at this point (that we are given dialogue to), it only serves to follow that Hermione cut herself off or Harry did. Now, since the focus of this scene is Ron and his nerves at the upcoming match, it only serves right that most other flavour text is cut from the writing. The only other text of significance would be anything from Harry's perspective, since he's our main character. But, we don't see any indication in this passage or the surrounding ones that he was actively engaged in conversation with Hermione. It then follows that the only explanation is that Hermione cut her own thought off.

Now, perhaps I am just imagining things, but why write it that way? An ellipsis would indicate her thought trailing off, a period finality to her thought, but an em dash gives us but one thing: an interrupted thought. Now, why, pray tell, would this happen? The only conclusion I could reach was Hermione also kissed Harry (probably on the cheek like Ron). But, since Harry is not the focus of the scene, and Ron's kiss on the cheek serves the purpose of bringing him out of his stupor, it's not surprising the second kiss is missing a mentioned reaction, given that this has already happened to him from her at the end of the last year, but it obviously has just happened to Ron for the first time, judging by his reaction.

Finally, my last point: Why even bring this up? Well, besides that we entirely missed a moment when Hermione kisses Harry, it also highlights another aspect of Hermione's character: she treats Harry, at this moment, as a close acquaintance. Think of it like this: if she kissed Harry first, not only would it be specifically mentioned but it would also put more weighty significance on her kiss to Ron. But, as previously stated, the focus of the scene does not require, and may even forbid, Harry receiving his kiss first. If it does, then it entirely shifts the focus to Harry and his thoughts, not to the situation with Ron and the Slytherins. J. K. Rowling, we know, does not like to give out hit-me-in-the-face hints - she prefers the subtle. By having Harry be second, she masks any further motive she may have for writing the scene and, for the keen reader, highlights the strength of the relationship between Harry and Hermione. It's almost as if Hermione knows Ron needs the moral booster, and she's just wishing Harry the best of luck. And people usually reserve their comments to individuals in a group by setting the person they wish to talk to last. That way, it's like they've received the personal thought by being the last one. Don't ask me how it works psychologically, because I don't really know, but I just know that people like to talk to those they love or are closest to last. Look at Cho later in the book - she is the last one of the D.A. in the room, and Harry specifically waits behind for the opportunity to talk to her.

So, in conclusion, I can see no other explanation for this. And I can't believe it took me so many read-throughs of Order of the Phoenix, but J. K. Rowling is one stellar writer and this clue was very well hidden.

Three more days and a bit more!

Quite an essay there TheHarryinMe I understand what you mean though- it think Hermione did kiss Harry too and it is interesting that JKR used an em dash instead of ellipsis.

Anyway this will probably be my last post in this thread before the forums close for the weekend.I can't wait for Saturday Obviously if H/Hr happens i will be over the moon but if it doesn't then i won't be too disappointed because it will be obvious that JKR didn't want to go down that path and i will accept that.(even though we have found countless H/Hr moments that could signal a possible relationship but anyway )

Besides we have the wonderful world of fanfiction and if H/Hr doesn't happen then we can create hundreds of fanfictions telling the story of what we believed in- H/Hr together forever!(with the added bonus of getting rid of any characters that stand in their way- i can think of one girl!!!!)But that's off the point...

Let's say H/Hr does not happen i bet you that there will still a few moments earlier in the book that will have us going crazy because they are (in our opinion)H/Hr moments. What i mean is lines like "but i don't think you're ugly", "you've never been more fanciable" etc.

I hope this thread stays open for a little while after DH so we can discuss the book and if H/Hr does not happen then we can celebrate what is undoubtably the best relationship(romantic or not) in the Harry Potter series

H/Hr!!!!!

well said beyond_the_veil! If this thread remains open I will definetly come back and talk of our favorite pairing but if not well to Portkey with me. Lets hope that even if there is no official pairing between Harry/Hermione that they will have some shipping moments for us to discuss.

My last rousing call on this forum before Deathly Hallows:

Man the sails!
Hoist the anchor!
Prepare the guns!
It looks like a storm ahead, but no matter the outcome our resolution stands by our oath:
ALL HAIL HARMONY!!!


I shall keep my sanity of mind to the very - and hopefully not bitter - end. I hope to join you all in delusions - whether of grandeur or consolation - after a few days. Let's face it - Harry and Hermione are just meant to be.

In OBHPF graces,

TheHarryinMe