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NickHilton
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Politics of the wizarding world...that was brough up once, wasn't it? I think the Mods said "no" because it was too much like a role-play game....But I will look into that as well!


The Mods said no to a mock wizarding parliament, but i suggest it would be quite interesting to debate and discuss what and how the Ministry will try and stem the on coming war.

The Quibbler is a great idea, i think that's definately something that can take off... blink.gif

I think the key to getting the Great Hall popular again, is opening up the discussions...Make a few more discussions and we can try and get real debate/conversation going, and other people will join...

Nick

EDIT: Ohhh...for the Quibbler, perhaps Helena Bonham Carters re-cast, or the sneak peak at the Poster?????
laudine
Oh just great! And The Quibbler as a name is great too. That's what I meant David, we should do something like that, next to the Daily Prophet (and I really do think that the Daily Prophet should stick with the political discussion and the more serious stuff wink.gif ).

How about if the Quibbler could have a classic book discussion every 4 weeks or so? The Quibbler special issue?

And for an idea: I know I'm being silly but I would love to discuss the CD of Paris Hilton. I don't know why, I heard it yesterday, and ... Gee, I'm silly.
felix_felicis_444
Paris Hilton's CD! laugh.gif haha...Well, how is it?

I heard one song of hers (can't remember the name off the top of my head) on the radio. It was just kind-of...weird. Not the song itself...just Paris Hilton singing in general. huh.gif

Oh, look, I am already starting a discussion! rolleyes.gif

And, laudine, what do you mean by classic? Like Steinbeck, Shakespeare, and Hemmingway? Those types of classics?

I am still looking into it...hopefully it will work out! biggrin.gif




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NickHilton
Ahhh...Paris Hilton, my dear sister.... tongue.gif

We could have aliterary debate, however again it's merely opinions, so it is only going to generate so much discussion. Perhaps we could have interesting debates like, The Order and The Death Eaters, who has the upper hand at the end of HBP? That could develop into an interesting discussion, i guess....

Nick
laudine
Oh, I'm sorry, by Classics I mean books or movies the whole world knows, or that are very popular, like 'The Count of Monte Christo' for example.

About Paris Hilton, I saw the video to that single and it was really weird, the singing and all.
... here goes the discussion - about Paris Hilton. wink.gif

Olivia
Just the Droobles
laudine, I stemmed my opinion from your idea, so we can have joint custody of "The Quibbler" if you'd like. wink.gif

Wow...That was my first suggestion. I didn't think it was going to be so well received. Anyway, I think any media topics would be fine. I mean, you always have all the famous couples like Brangelina or whoever it is, and then you have any other celeb stuff. There's also movies that may be coming out, and also CDs and other books. People can discuss what they think of Britney Spears and her children, or controversial television shows or movies, such as Passion of the Christ or Fahrenheit 911 or whatever. We coudl talk about the best classic movies ever, such as Titanic or It's a Wonderful Life, or the Sound of Music...we could even talk about Oscar winners or the awards for books. The newberry Award I think it's called.

And perhaps we could have a special edition every once in a while where people could discuss any new news on HP. The posters, the sneak peaks, the appearances of the stars. You know. Just any of the media hype these days. Just go google top ten headlines or something. Either way, there is plenty to discuss with the media, so it could be hard to run out of topics. laugh.gif
laudine
okay, I'd like that wink.gif but The Quibbler is your creation. smile.gif

Oh, I like your ideas ... Brangelina etc. But I have to ask, if that comes through, will it be totally serious, or can we write some funny things as well? Because to be honest, Brangelina is not the most important thing in my life.

But Victoria Beckham is ... wink.gif laugh.gif
Just the Droobles
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But Victoria Beckham is ...
laugh.gif Yeah, a Spice Girl and a soocer star. My life right there.

Come on, laudine. Is the Quibbler serious? I think it should be a fun thread where people can poke at celebs or be serious or whatever. We can have silly headlines like "Mother births seven-headed baby" or serious ones like "Idol tells she battled bulimia." The Quibbler isn't meant to be serious, but it can still bring real headlines in and we can talk or joke or whatever. It may lighten up the Hall a bit and encourage the newer members to post a bit.
passerby
okay, this is just my two cents. . .and probably really just my opinion. . .but I'd kind of prefer to keep actors and actresses as people out of it; you know. . .their private lives and such. I'm not saying we have to be all serious all the time, but I just don't fancy coming in and reading the next ridiculous thing some famous person has done or said . . .and then having a discussion on why it's cool or why it's not. I'd much rather keep it to their "work"-the books, the movies, the similarites between their movies, the cd's (which I really won't have much input on anyways), and so forth. . . Maybe I'm being too picky, but I'd hate to have The Quibbler turn into Celebrity Bashing-no matter how justified it is. . .
felix_felicis_444
I am going to have to agree with Janet, here...

The Quibbler can be a place to discuss the latest media frenzy, but not really the personal lives of celebrities. The example Aubrey gave about Katherine McPhee's battling of bulimia can be alright. Not necessarily specific to McPhee, but the whole issua with the media portraying the wrong idea of how people, particularly women, "should" look. Eating disorders can go into the Daily Prophet as well, but the media's role in starting them might be something to talk about in The Quibbler.

Yeah laudine -- I am afraid that if we have things like "Brangelina" in the Great Hall, the whole place will turn into somewhat of a joke...

But recent Harry Potter-related news could be discussed there, a new movie that looks like it will be a big hit, etc.

We are still talking about this -- nothing is final just yet. Hopefully we can get it up and running soon, though!




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Just the Droobles
I was just throwing around ideas on what the main things would be like or what might want to be discussed. The personal lives of celebrities is about as important to me as what color my tissues are, but perhaps some are interested. There is so much about personal lives anyway it would seem silly to track one person's and not everyone else's. Plus, they can all be summed up pretty much the same. So I'd say keeping it on more of the "work" like you said Janet, but also perhaps trends they have set over the decades that maybe people want to reminesce (sp?) on or how has affected lives of anyone in the world. So if we'd just like to keep it on the "works" that'd be fine.
laudine
That is fine with me, and I don't really like bashing people. The example with Paris Hilton was because she becomes sort of an idol to girls and represent a whole new type of woman. I'd really like to discuss that because I don't like this type and I don't get why the media goes all crazy over a person who doesn't do anything except carry around a dog and post for pictures. That's what I mean.

My original idea was to discuss movies, things that happen in the media (like trends), books (and I would really like to discuss famous books once in a while, especially with Janet wink.gif ), and music.

That's what I meant. smile.gif
Olivia
Louise
Wow... blink.gif

Erm, okay...just a few thoughts....

I'm really not too keen on the idea of this place turning into an edition of Hello magazine. Whilst it may be of interest to some, that's not really why the GH was created. Discussions like that can take place elsewhere on the forum, such as in the JGAFL threads. We don't need discussion wardens to watch over threads like that - and in any case, I've always been vehemently against discussions that turn towards the personal lives of celebrities.

However, if you guys want to have discussions about the issues certain celebrities raise, such as Paris Hilton's worth as a role model, or Katherine McPhee's bulimia, or whatever is currently making headlines in the showbiz world, then I have no problems with that, just as long as it doesn't turn into bashing.

I do really like the idea of weekly film and book discussion threads though, along the same lines as the Daily Prophet. That would enable people who aren't so interested in the politics of the Prophet to join in the conversations. You could also start threads about each of the HP films if you wanted to. That's why the Three Broomsticks was created - I just started it off with the discussion about Dumbledore, but of course more threads can be opened in there if you wanted to.

I also don't mind topics being started that would discuss how the ministry might decide to cope with the new threats from Voldemort - what I just didn't want to see was a role-play where everyone takes sides in a mock parliament. The idea about who has the upper hand now - yes, that sounds fine and had the potential to be pretty interesting.

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We could have aliterary debate, however again it's merely opinions


But that is the whole point of the GH, Nick. Perhaps you are misunderstanding its purpose? There are people here who would love that sort of discussion - if it's not personally interesting to you, then no one is twisting your arm to contribute wink.gif There are a lot of like-minded people here whose reading tastes do extend beyond Harry Potter and it would be great if they had a place to talk about other books and films with mates. That's exactly what we had in mind when we came up with the Three Broomsticks.
Just the Droobles
I understand that no one relly wants to get into the celeb bash and we don't want to waste time with that, but I was merely throwing out ideas. "The Quibbler" idea how I invisioned it was a place to discuss great movies, books, plays, musicals, broadway shows and the such, which is basically media. I threw the celeb headlines in there for everyone's opinions, and I understand what all of you are saying because those are my thoughts too. I'm not real updated on most of them anyway, and I could really care less. It seems like a better idea to keep it with the work. This one could be the movies and books thread, not necessarily HP, and The Daily Prophet could be the more serious politics and other things. I was just trying to think of something that would help encourage newer GH members since it was getting kind of quiet. sleep.gif
NickHilton
QUOTE(Michelle Dessler @ Jun 26 2006, 10:47 AM) [snapback]195875[/snapback]

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We could have aliterary debate, however again it's merely opinions


But that is the whole point of the GH, Nick. Perhaps you are misunderstanding its purpose? There are people here who would love that sort of discussion - if it's not personally interesting to you, then no one is twisting your arm to contribute wink.gif There are a lot of like-minded people here whose reading tastes do extend beyond Harry Potter and it would be great if they had a place to talk about other books and films with mates. That's exactly what we had in mind when we came up with the Three Broomsticks.


Sorry i think you've misunderstood me...If you read my first few posts, i was trying to help David come up with ways to restore the Great Hall to its former glory. I thought, and still think, that engaging the reader in punchy lively debates, is the best things to do. I think that a literary discussion would be good too, but it means that people will only post once or twice, as you can't really diss other peoples opinions. Especially in a family orientated place like VTM. Sorry if we misunderstod, i'm all for getting the Great Hall back up and running, and fulfilling it's whole potential.
marire
I think it would be fun to have some debate about books and films, because I like them both. I'm the film expert of our family. smile.gif

But I've got a new suggestion to make too. How about a debate of reality tv? Not neccesery about wheter it's good or bad thing, but do people think that shows have gone too far, or do they still enjoy them? I think it would be nice to know people's oppinion, because I belive that reality tv covers almost half of tv time nowadays.
felix_felicis_444
Hi marire! Thanks for your suggestion! smile.gif

Hmm...reality TV. You are corect in who it is "taking over" television and air time. I am just not sure if it can carry a debate. We can always try it out in the Daily Prophet. If people have a lot to say about it, the I.S. will discuss whether or not to open a topic solely for it. We can also discuss making a debate thread for all TV, including reality shows. I cannot imagine what else would be talked about in there, though.

Books and films. We will speak about this one, too. wink.gif

Keep the suggestions coming, guys! biggrin.gif




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Capricorn
Nothing much to add except that I'd love literary discussions. That's what we're doing with HP here all the time, so if we chose other books it would be very cool too.

Personally, I'd prefer classics because the chances that I have or will be able to get them and read them (and enjoy them tongue.gif) is bigger. Plus, if we looked at older and more classic texts we could reference essays and the like that have been written about them. That adds more to the dicussion since we'd be able to discuss scholarly theories about the book without having to come up with theories to discuss ourselves. And then it will be slightly more than just opinions like - I loved it! Am I making sense?

Anyway, films would be great too. The trick with books and films will obviously be to try to cover a wide range of tastes over time.

In terms of books, moving through history, a chronological structure to the genres chosen may help in covering many genres systematically. But then, I just love to incorporate history into anything I do, which isn't true for everyone, obviously. tongue.gif
laudine
That would be really great, Laurette. I would love book discussions. We could make it chronolically or one of us gets to choose a book let's say every two weeks or so. Then all the people who have read it can discuss it. The person should summarise the book at the beginning. The book has to be approved by the IS of course.
I would really love that.
savingharry
I third Marire's suggestion of films, as well as Capricorn's literary suggestion (*cracks his mental knucles*). As well, I had a suggestion of my own.

In the course of reading the latest in the "is harry a horcrux" thread, I came across an intersting comment by Vulturemort that I thought might spurn discussion more appropriate for this location. Here is what he said:

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There is clearly something that has been transferred from Voldemort to Harry. We have been specifically told this by Dumbledore. Personally, I don't see why it is any less plausible for that to be a soul than it is to be simply powers. Is a soul any more tangible or concrete than Voldemort's "powers"? In fact, we could even say that powers could be another word for soul piece. The powers are the result of something being transferred aren't they? They are not an object themselves. I'm not sure if someone would say that a bit of parseltongue talent flew into Harry. The question I'm asking is if it isn't a soul piece, what was transferred to Harry that allowed him to gain those powers. There is something there that creates a connection to Voldemort that is strong enough to allow legillimency over great distances, which we know is not possible typically. I also think that there is a big difference between a piece of soul and Voldemort himself. There is even a difference, I feel, between a piece of soul and all of Voldemort possessing Harry. Think of it this way, if the soul reacts to acts of evil by tearing and scarring, we could theorize that it is naturally neutral. It doesn't like it when a murder occurs and reacts negatively. One theory that is out there is that the soul becomes corrupt as more and more evil acts occur and that the tearing or removing of soul pieces is a process of getting rid of the good parts. In essence, the soul is kicking out the parts that aren't going along with the evil plans. We need to keep in mind that the soul is a very abstract thing. I personally don't think that it is a living, thinking copy of Voldemort. However, I don't really want to get into that discussion, because it becomes so subjective and philisophical that doesn't really mean anything. We don't know how JKR defines the soul, so we really can't get anywhere by that discussion. It might be interesting though.


Specifically, I would be curious to see what people thought about the nature of the soul, and how it relates to horcruxes. This wouldn't simply be "how does the soul work in harry potter" but greater questions of the nature of the soul. It might be interesting.

fish
Capricorn
Ah fish, I can see we're on the same wave length here! happy.gif

I would love such a discussion, but I suppose it will overlap a lot with everyone's personal take on religion, seeing as souls are a supernatural sort of idea. Not that I'd mind that. I'm sure if we went into the discussion (not a debate) about it knowing that it was a subjective topic, it could be very interesting. I think the only reason the C/E&ID thread becomes heated from time to time is because it is a debate, where differing religious views becomes the basis for disagreeing about something that affects all people equally. However, on the whole I think the Duelling Club has managed to maintain a remarkable peace, if I look at the general chaos that reigns over the subject. smile.gif

Anyways, a discussion, a mere exchange of ideas where there is nothing to prove, would be brilliant. We could use horcruxes as a basis from which to explore the subject, instead of plunging into it without any direction.

Yes, good idea. thumbsup.gif
El Barto
If there is no objection, Fish, can you send me an intro post about the soul idea so we Inquisitorial Squad members can approve it? smile.gif

We're also working out the details of the Quibbler and another 'entity' for lack of a better word. Sorry its taking long...summer kind of slowed us (or perhaps it was just me)...but we're working on it.
missmugglebethany
i personally am not a huge debater when it comes to politcal debates. but being i love to read, i would love to have a thread that had good literary debates. I also think it woul be cool to have a topic on some of the movies that our HP actors have been in. not just the stuff that Dan and Rupert do but some of those good old movies like maggie smith in clash of the titans and sister act, or the whole plethera of great movies that allan rickman has been in. that would be really cool. or our departed DD in count of monte cristo. he really shined in that one. a forum topic like that would be really cool, kinda like an online book/movie group.
savingharry
I had a thought today that might make an interesting thread. How about a discussion of Nature vs. Nurture in Harry Potter?

Some clues point to Nature:
Voldemort & Gaunts
Harry and Potters

Some to nurture:
Sirius Black
Regulus Black?
Neville Longbottom

Some could go either way:
Draco Malfroy
Ron Weasley

Actions are praised over heritage, but heritage seems to have an effect nonetheless.

What do you think?
-Fish
felix_felicis_444
Ooh, what an interesting suggestion, Fish! The effects of personal actions and uncontrollable factors in the lives of the characters...that could definitely make for an excellent debate!

We will discuss this and get back to you with an answer as soon as possible! Thanks for the suggestion; you know we are always willing to take them!




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SpinJam
Hi! I was just reading through a thread about the book burning, and noticed that Tom (Albus) had thought it would be neat to have a discussion on Religion etc. in general Louise seemed to second that idea, and I would also be happy to be in a debate of said topic. What do you think?
Albus Dumbledore
As you said, SpinJam, I support such the suggestion. I have heard many great things about the discussions on the boards in the past, I would love to be apart of them now, if we were to follow up on this suggestion. I think it was Louise who suggested moving the current Religion Thread be elevated to the Great Hall... perhaps that is an option. The last time anyone posted in that thread was on the 24th of November 2006, and it was by Capricorn... Perhaps we can revive it?

~Albus
gaburdette
I do not forsee us moving that Religion thread into the Great Hall. In the first place it is not a debate thread. It's entire purpose is to explain your religion and ask questions of others religions. If it was moved into the Great Hall, it would limit the pool of people to ask religious questions of. Besides that thread has been running smooth and I do not see any reason to move it out of the open Forum area.

Guin, I will discuss with the other two Prefects that run this area about your idea. To be honest, I am not a huge fan of opening religious debates. Religion to me is a very personal issue and one where there is no right or wrong. I disagree strongly with Churches who try to convert people to their specific religion. I see debating the rights and wrongs of various religions in the same light. Who is to say my beliefs are more relevant than someone elses?

I think that any religious debate would be too explosive, even for the Great Hall. However, we work as a team and I discuss this with David and Chris and get you an answer.
savingharry
For my 2 cents on the issue (if my opinion is worth that! laugh.gif), I personally agree with Greg on this. While I may disagree with Greg on his definition of the nature of "Truth" with regards to religion, and free choice, and etc., even attempting to discuss those issues could result in one of us or someone else getting upset about it. That's not to mention getting into a discussion about the reason behind believing one religion or another. That topic is just so explosive, and it is personal to everyone. Psychologically speaking, our opinions on religion are inherently emotional. We have opinions that are inherently tied to emotional responses and base feelings that are often unconscious. Even those that claim that they can examine and determine their religious beliefs without regards to emotion are wired this way. Those that claim otherwise are deceiving themselves. Therefore, I say that it is risky to get into this line of inquiry. Although, I will say that anyone wishing to know what I belive and why I believe it is free to ask me. I am a Christian, and am not afraid to tell you why if you want to know.

-Fish
Albus Dumbledore
I find it quite disappointing that we are against an attempt at a discussion. I feel I disagree with Kyle's beliefs that all of us feel a personal connection to what we are saying in regards to religion. I genuinely want to discuss the topic, and if someone is passionate about a certain sect of religion... so be it. Why cant we just knock ourselves down a little bit, get past all the emotions that we tell ourselves we must have, and have a genuine, thought provoking discussion. I feel if we can restrain ourselves from using such phrases as:

"Even those that claim that they can examine and determine their religious beliefs without regards to emotion are wired this way. Those that claim otherwise are deceiving themselves."

...which tend to get people's backs up for generalizing everyone's emotions and thought processes... then we may have a chance at a decent discussion without people getting "explosive". If we know how its going to happen because of past experiences... why not change it? If the members of the Duelling Club all realize that others may become defensive over their beliefs then lets use that to our advantage and nip it in the bud. We all made agreements to keep a level head, post properly and respect others opinions while posting in the Great Hall, as well as in the forums, but especially here. I thought those guidelines were there to allow for discussions of this nature.

I still stand by my opinion that we should atleast give it a try.

~Albus
felix_felicis_444
Don't worry Tom. . .the idea has not been thrown out yet! We are currently discussing it, and we will come to a final answer as soon as possible.

Whereas it would be great to have discussions over religion and other heated topics, it is simply not always possible because of peoples' strong beliefs. Not that it isn't possible, but we cannot always be sure of how people will act when presented with an issue that is very personal and sensitive to them. It is wonderful that you would go into it with an open mind, but it is not possible for everyone. wink.gif

For now, just sit back, relax, and post in the threads that we already have! tongue.gif




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Triad
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savingharry:

even attempting to discuss those issues could result in one of us or someone else getting upset about it.


I've had a bad experience with the Religion thread having people diss me for not sticking to my families religion but that was amongst id.iots, meaning all offence to those who dissed me. As long as no-one older or with more 'education' tried to make their religion sound better and more 'right' then others I don't see why it couldn't be done.

If it was just a place for us to talk about our religions and beliefs and answer any questions that come up then that's fine, but I don't think a Debate about religion would do any good.

I think that the people who have been granted the privelage of seeing this forum would be able to handle it. I'm sure we could all have an interesting conversation without anyone getting their backs up. As long as one particular person who is so devout in their beliefs didn't put their opinion on a pedastal and demanding everyone take it as the best option it'll be fine. But hey, if you don't think you could enter into a subject like that without getting upset then that's fine. I however think it's a good idea and I'll back it 100%.

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It is wonderful that you would go into it with an open mind, but it is not possible for everyone.

Yeah, like those who believe there is only one right religion. I'd love to fight, I mean Debate with them about it.

Well that's my $1......
SpinJam
I will check out the thread that is open to all right now, just to see what's been going on - didn't know there was one. And I agree that this type of debate could be opening up a hornets nest, however dissemination of ideas and thoughts are the foremost in my mind, and if that's what's already going on in the other thread, then I am content. Thanks for taking the idea seriously though, and let me know what you ultimately decide.

Ciao for now
Louise
Mmm. Okay, well...

I can see this from everyone's perspective, I really can. I know that such things have been debated about on other forums and, indeed, on this one in the past. I loved a good debate myself and posted a lot on various different topics from abortion, to homosexuality, to religion. I very often found that, no matter how careful I tried to be, I got people's backs up because the majority of my opinions on things are probably not exactly mainstream.

The thing is that because all debates on real life issues are based on very deeply held belief systems, it is virtually impossible to talk about issues such as abortion, homosexuality, and religion without it becoming personal - by their very nature, they are personal. Everyone's opinions are formed from experience, feelings, morals etc. So there isn't any doubt about it - things do get personal, heated, and inevitably, hackles get raised. If you attack a person's stance on abortion or religion, you're attacking them personally - there's no way around that.

Now here's the other thing - it's not that I don't think that the Duelling Club isn't able to cope with these sorts of issues. We have some of the most intelligent, most philiosophical, most polite, most considerate, most friendly people on this forum that it's ever been my fortune to meet in any fandom. In fact, we have such a good community here that I think the general consensus is that we would never want to risk damaging that special relationship we have here by debating things that are, essentially, fundamentally un-debatable. We believe what we believe, and whilst debating can help us learn more about other's opinions and feelings, and thus also help us to understand why we feel the way we do, there are some things that have the potential to do more harm than good.

By my own experience in some of those threads, I do have to admit that I have read opinions and arguments from people I had the utmost respect for before, but sometimes, seeing the blood-and-guts, so to speak, does tend to somewhat colour a person's feelings about another. We might not mean for it to happen, and we might resist it the best we can, but when such things are so critical to a person's make-up, it's very hard to maintain distance.

Anyway, all this blurb essentiall boils down to a simple thing. It's not that we aren't capable of behaving ourselves. Far from it. It comes down to the basic respect we all have for each other, the community we've built up, and the friendships we've made. I think that's behind the main feelings of the majority of the staff right now. Not that we can't do it, but that we won't - because there are things we value more than the debate; friendships. Valuable things in these troubled times. smile.gif

So there you go - my Dumbledore-ian moment. For what it's worth wink.gif
Albus Dumbledore
Oh my... how can one disagree with that then... especially being of the quality of which Dumbledore would have said. I suppose I seperated myself a little too much emotionally from the topic at hand enough for me to forget that we are all friends here... not debating machines. While I would love to talk about the thing Louise has said:

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various different topics from abortion, to homosexuality, to religion


: I cant really deny the fact that we would, by pouring our opinions and beliefs into a thread, create a rift in the seemingly well ran community that we call the Great Hall.

I am saying this at risk of making myself look like a flip-flopper. Switching sides to suit myself.. but I assure you that is not the case. I really want to discuss such things.. I wont deny it, but as was said, is it worth the sacrifice of the more important things the Great Hall has to offer like the closeness of its members? When it is put like that I cannot deny it.

So, in conclusion, I am not overly joyed that the thread proposed was not approved (which is natural), but I am pleased however with the reason why it was not approved. If that makes any sense to anybody else.

~Tom
After the Burial
There have been several instances where religion (and other 'serious' topics) were raised in many of the open forums. I do not want to sound demeaning to anyone, but many persons in the forums had short fuses when another member made seemingly personal attacks.

I know that we can be very careful with our words, but being careful is simply not enough. If only one person misconstrued another's words, there is a good chance that emotions would cause a hasty response. We have gathered here at VTM to discuss Harry Potter. The fact that we feel comfortable enough with one another that we wish to have more serious debates speaks volumes for the atmosphere the moderating team has created and maintained. Although I would like to have these debates, I understand the logic for not wishing to host them on the site. Still, I look forward to the debates that we all enjoy.
savingharry
QUOTE(Louise @ Jan 12 2007, 04:39 PM) [snapback]301611[/snapback]

The thing is that because all debates on real life issues are based on very deeply held belief systems, it is virtually impossible to talk about issues such as abortion, homosexuality, and religion without it becoming personal - by their very nature, they are personal. Everyone's opinions are formed from experience, feelings, morals etc. So there isn't any doubt about it - things do get personal, heated, and inevitably, hackles get raised. If you attack a person's stance on abortion or religion, you're attacking them personally - there's no way around that.


Ahh good. I am glad that someone was able to say it better than I. I think that my way of saying it seemed to garner some strong negative reactions from people. sad.gif Ahh well. So it goes! smile.gif Anyway, I'll second what Louise said about the quality of the debates going on here and the people. It is wonderful to me to see the opinions of all ages being taken seriously and communing together. I think that sometimes the views of young people are not taken seriously as if being in high school makes one unable to think or form logical opinions. I think that this forum proves otherwise. I have had so many times where I have seen discussions between a high-school senior and a college professor, and have found the quality of the thinking to be on the same level. I enjoy it here very much! biggrin.gif

-Fish
HaRRYPoTTeR FReaK
I think I'm posting in the right place... I have an idea for a new debate, but since I've never had one before, correct me if I'm wrong, okay? happy.gif Anyways, here we go...

Recently, I came across this article, and I thought it would be a good one to discuss freedom of speech as well as freedom of religion, since these are rights the First Amendment provides us with. Granted, though, it sort of ties into the whole religion thing again, so I'm not sure if it'll be approved, but I thought it was a good one for freedom of speech, and I just love talking about that. happy.gif Tell me what you think, okay guys?

Don't feel like reading the article? Here's a quick summary for the lazy bunch (just kidding tongue.gif): A 10-year-old boy child comes to school dressed as Jesus for Halloween. The school principal, along with other authoratative figures, told him he couldn't dress up as Jesus, though they allowed Devils and witches, etc.

Yeah, I have a very strong opinion on this, and I'll either give it here or when (if) the thread is opened. smile.gif
gaburdette
I have seen news stories on that situation and I have quite a bit to say on it too. We do not mind discussing religious items here in the Great Hall. We mostly try not to get into a debate over which religion is more right than others. In fact we have a religious topic right now in the Daily Prophet on the possible finding of Jesus's tomb.

I will take you article and use it as a basis for the next time I post an article in the Prophet. I normally post my on Fridays but the current topic is going strong so I will hold off to make sure everyone has had their say. Look for it by Monday.
*dementor*
Hi!

My suggestion is a topic about Premonition, and Extra sensory perception. I think its an exceedingly interesting subject to be in discussion about...so i hope we can open a topic about it! smile.gif

Thanks,
Vian
felix_felicis_444
Thanks for the suggestion, *dementor*! smile.gif

Paranormal events and the like is definitely a very interesting topic! I think it could be a good idea to have a thread to see peoples' views on ESP, ghosts, déjà vu, etc. I personally like to hear theories regarding the "superhuman world." ph34r.gif tongue.gif

We'll discuss the idea and get back to you as soon as possible! wink.gif


David
LittleRed7771
I have a suggestion. How about one on parenthood. The hardships we encounter these days from drugs, alcohol, to violence. The differences from people who's children are grown and what they went through to new parents facing the world today. We can even invite the younger members to give us their thoughts and opinions to what they experience out there and how they feel their parents are doing to face these challenges. Some kids think their parents are too protective which pushes them away to parents who don't seem to pay any attention at all. It could bring a lot of prespectives into light about how parents raise their kids to the views of how kids think they should be raised. And also the difference from the way things were done years ago to the way they are done now. I for one would like to see different angles and get some opinions because I have a daughter who will be a teenager in a few years. wacko.gif

Let me know what you think! biggrin.gif
*dementor*
Hi!

Thanks Felixfelicis, im really glad its been taken into consideration...smile.gif

I Have a weird one:

"Lily's Eyes - A Horcrux"

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Should it be a topic or should i just add it to the discussion on horcruxes? smile.gif unsure.gif Sorry to bother!

Thanks,
Vian
felix_felicis_444
Hey, LittleRed7771! smile.gif

I think this is another great suggestion. There are so many different points of view regarding parenting and parenthood that I think the topic could be a very thought-provoking one. smile.gif It would also be nice for parents to see childrens' and teenagers' perspectives on how they believe parents should -- well, parent them tongue.gif -- and vice versa. Once again, we'll discuss the possibility, and we will get back to you as soon as possible!

*dementor* -- I think for now, that can be kept in the horcrux discussion. If it turns out that everybody has elaborate theories regarding Lily's eyes, and there is enough debate produced from it, then we might consider creating a seperate topic. wink.gif

Thanks!


David
*dementor*
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Hey, LittleRed7771! smile.gif

I think this is another great suggestion. There are so many different points of view regarding parenting and parenthood that I think the topic could be a very thought-provoking one. smile.gif It would also be nice for parents to see childrens' and teenagers' perspectives on how they believe parents should -- well, parent them tongue.gif -- and vice versa. Once again, we'll discuss the possibility, and we will get back to you as soon as possible!

*dementor* -- I think for now, that can be kept in the horcrux discussion. If it turns out that everybody has elaborate theories regarding Lily's eyes, and there is enough debate produced from it, then we might consider creating a seperate topic. wink.gif

Thanks!


David


Yeah, i realised that now when i saw the great amount of horcrux suggestions...theres enough to fill up a forum. mellow.gif Thanks for replying anyway... happy.gif

Thanks again,
Vian...
LittleRed7771
Thanks, felix_felicis_444. I look forward to your decision. I for one am always curious as to how other people view parenthood. I also remember when I was little and thinking how I would do things differently when I became a parent. Some things I did change for the better as far as how my own parents did things. But I also realized as I became a parent, the necessity of doing things a certain way. The whole hind sight is 20/20 thing! Or you'll understand when you grow up thing! tongue.gif

Anyways, thanks again, and I await your response. biggrin.gif
El Barto
I introduced an article on the paranormal in the Daily Prophet, just to see how things go. On Wednesday, possibly, one of us from the IS will post another. If there is enough discussion generated then a whole new topic on it will be introduced (discussing everything from ghosts, aliens, magnetic anamolies, and the Jersey devil to Bigfoot, chupacabra, UFO's, and flying humanoids, among others like ESP, deja vu, psychics, etc...whatever comes to mind or comes up in the possible thread).
workaholic_1231
As I was posting in the Parenthood Thread, I got the idea of another subject. I'm not sure if this follows into the parenthood thread too closely but I'm sure it would be a fun debate none the less.
The topic is the pro's and con's between Homeschooling, Public schooling, and private schooling. This can be such a widespread subject to debate upon, expecially between different countries as well.

Thanks!

~Ashley
El Barto
As you guys may know, we post the suggestions in the Daily Prophet from time to time to see if they generate enough responses, which may lead to an individual thread.

workaholic_1231, I think one of us from the IS will go ahead and post a Daily Prophet on schooling on Friday or Monday. We're gonna give the paranormal discussion one more go. biggrin.gif
workaholic_1231
Thank you El Barto for your consideration!

I've noticed the paranormal topic and I'm so unsure of my thoeries on that subject so far, which is why I have yet to post... however I really like that idea as well!

~Ashley
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