practical magic
Feb 15 2006, 02:31 AM
In the beginning, when they are in the book store and run into Malfoy & Lucious, Malfoy is coming down the stairs with a book. He rips a page out of the book, and puts it in his pocket.
Now I know this wasn't in the book, but it just seemed that there was a point being made.
Was it the film makers way of showing how nasty Malfoy is, or is there something more to it?
Discuss.........
(sorry if this has been brought up already, I'm new here)
marrymerupert
Feb 15 2006, 03:33 AM
Hey! When I saw him rip it out of the book I wondered if there was going to be something more to it as well... but I think that it was just the film makers way of showing how nasty Draco is... showing that he thinks he can do whatever he wants. This is probably just another way of showing his arrogance in the movie. I don't think there could be much more to it than that, because seeing how it wasn't in the book... it would be the film makers adding to the base of the story... which I don't think they would do since the movies are supposed to be based on the book, not the other way around.
Dumbledore's Widow
Feb 15 2006, 06:24 PM
| QUOTE (marrymerupert @ Feb 14 2006, 08:40 PM) |
| Hey! When I saw him rip it out of the book I wondered if there was going to be something more to it as well... but I think that it was just the film makers way of showing how nasty Draco is... showing that he thinks he can do whatever he wants. This is probably just another way of showing his arrogance in the movie. I don't think there could be much more to it than that, because seeing how it wasn't in the book... it would be the film makers adding to the base of the story... which I don't think they would do since the movies are supposed to be based on the book, not the other way around. |
I also think that it was just a way to show the audience what a prat Draco is. I don't think there is any underlying, or foreshadowing of any sort. Just my opinion, of course. Destroying public property means nothing to our little devilish Draco!
Nimbus
Feb 16 2006, 01:07 AM
To further what other's have said. I think It was definitely put in there to show just what a rotten git Malfoy is because we know that he is very wealthy and could have easily paid for the book, but rather than just do the right and easy thing and pay for the book, he decides to not only ruin the book, but also to steal the page simply because he can...and he's a git!
practical magic
Feb 16 2006, 04:49 AM
Yeah, I guess you're all right...as it wasn't in the books...it's just the way he put the page in his pocket....that's what got me thinking, that not only did he rip it out, he put it in his pocket.
Wouldn't we all laugh if it turns up in book 7......ooooo spooky.
cesador
Feb 27 2006, 10:04 PM
i have to go with the flow here and say it wasnt in the book so it really is of no importance, just a way to convey Draco.
Bellatrix
Jun 23 2006, 05:20 PM
I think that they just put that part in the movie to show how naughty, cold, and disrespectful Draco is. I don't think that it was really an important detail.
Aethonon
Jun 26 2006, 05:37 AM
I think the significance I see in it is that just a little later on in the film, when Harry and Ron are disguised as Crabbe & Goyle, Draco sees the little gift on the table in the Slytherin common room and asks the other two boys if it is theirs. Then he pockets it.
I think it's a pretty powerful message about Draco because it was basically repeated in that film. Here he is, probably the wealthiest kid in the school, and he steals! If he cannot buy something, or in the case of the bookstore, doesn't want the bother, he'll just take it. And not from a basically unknown entity, like Mssrs. Flourish & Blott, but from his own house mates! He has NO loyalty to anyone but Draco Malfoy.
Sacred_Feminine
Jun 27 2006, 10:40 AM
You know what else is interesting about that? Tom Riddle was a bit of a thief when he was at school too. A pretty big deal was made out of that in Prince, because it was relevant to the Horcruxes, and looking back at that scene in the movie now, almost seems like foreshadowing of Draco's becoming more like Tom than we ever thought he would

He steals because he can, I think. He probably sees it as a challenge, but it really does highlight his personality there.
So why do I still feel kinda sorry for him?
Bumblebee
Jun 27 2006, 10:59 AM
Well, I can't see Lucius as a person spending a lot of time teaching moralistic values to his son. His teaching would be more in the line of pressing the idea that Draco belongs to a superior class of wizards by birth, and that the doings of "lesser folk" are none of their concern because it's people like them who are the natural owners and rulers.
Draco's perception of the world is rather narrow, but he has had little to compare it with until he came to school and met the likes of Harry Potter and Hermione Granger.
bluephoenix5
Jun 27 2006, 11:06 PM
draco is a selvish snobb no matter what. he doesn't care what he does to anybody. all he cares about is himself and he tries to recieve attention. ahem!...sound familair. only with his father around does draco actually "behave". he fears doing things around his father just like in the books. but idon't think him tearing out a piece of papaer is of any significance. he probably disposed of it later on anyway. uhh.. draco is such a devilish nusiance

. but sometimes a funny one.
PotterrockS
Oct 22 2006, 08:58 PM
This may be a dumb question, but I was watching the Chamber of Secrets last night and noticed that in the beginning when Harry and company are leaving Flourish and Blotts, Malfoy is coming down the stairs looking at a book and tears out a page and sticks it in his pocket. Then he goes on to confront Harry before Lucius joins in.
I don't remember reading anything like this in the book, but I also know (thanks to a behind-the-scenes of one of the first movies) that JKR lets the directors know when something is key to plot and needs to be included in the movie, rather than cut. I don't recall this paper ever coming up in the movie, but it seems kind of insignificant to have been included when so many other things, that we know to have been important, were cut.
Does anybody have any information to enlighten me?
I hope I didn't lose anyone.
Capricorn
Oct 22 2006, 09:11 PM
Hey PotterrockS! Welcome to the forums!
Just to let you know that I'm going to move this topic to the 'First Two' movies forum. To answer your question - I think it was just a way to show something of Draco's character. It hardly took extra time to show that shot, and in a movie they have to use little ways like that to characterise, I suppose.
In the books there is enough time to portray Malfoy as a disrespectful twit, but in this case I think they used a small act of vandalism to get that across. (I'm not a Malfoy fan

)
La MaitressedeMort
Oct 22 2006, 10:43 PM
Can I still reply to this? I just want to say really quickly, that I wathced the Second movie on TV last night too! It made me really happy. Now to the question which I'm not sure if I can respond to or not, but I will (sorry Gods of the Forums if this displeases you!). There may be some sort of sig. fig. there, though I doubt that, since it was not included in the books, and was never mentioned again, that it has much to do with anything. True, they may have inserted that because there was new information that they desired to put into the next movies, though I really must congratulate you on coming up with this idea by yourself, cause I haven't thought twice about that until now! Ok, well, I don't have much more to say, but yeah (Gods of the Forums!). Sorry this is short, but I hope it helps a bit.
~La MaitressedeMort
Capricorn
Oct 23 2006, 03:18 PM
Oh no, please continue the discussion! I simply moved the thread to the right forum, so feel free to add your views!
Personally, I think the filmmakers couldn't have chosen a better way to use that second to characterise Malfoy as an arrogant little twerp! Tearing pages from a book should be punishable by law!

(Just another thing, what does sig. fig. mean? Such abbreviations aren't really allowed, because it makes it difficult for people (like me

) to understand what's being said.)
cll424
Oct 24 2006, 01:37 AM
I think i agree with Capricorn here: i think it's just to show how much of a brat draco really is... not only is he mean, arrogant... but he's also a thief... it really shows that he has a dark side... but that dark side is debatable followinf HP and the HBP, so i don't know, but i don't think it's really significant...
Chloe
jarn
Oct 26 2006, 05:08 AM
Lol I don't think it was anything significant, merely a display of Draco's disregard for other people's property.
Maybe it could have meant something though.. Hmm.
After the Burial
Oct 26 2006, 06:40 PM
If it was included in the book, this would seem more important to me. As it is, I doubt that it means anything more than character development. To me, Draco is a contemptible idiot. I doubt he has ever had a thought that was not put there by his father.
I think that Draco took the page simply because he could. This sets the tone that Draco thinks he can do whatever he wants since he is a pureblood. On a personal note, I never liked that scene. Draco is staring at Harry's scene with Lockhart and then decides to nonchalantly tear a page our of a book, only to rise with scorn as Harry walks by.
George's_gf
Oct 28 2006, 10:41 PM
Like many others have said, it was probably just added to show Malfoy's character. If someone say was watching the second one without knowing anything about Harry Potter (shame on that person) then they'd see that Malfoy was a mean little twerp just from that small action.
happy-potter
Oct 31 2006, 07:45 PM
I liked the scene, it is funny. But I think the part is just added for fun. Like the scene in the forth movie where Snape hits Harry and Ron with book. I laughed so much
Usagi
Dec 13 2006, 11:53 PM
I too liked that scene. But I think the producers/writers had something planned for that ripped page in the future...perhaps to use it to explain a scene that needed to be cut, or an important point that couldn't fit into any other scene...hollywood movie makers can be quite sneaky...lol..but they could have just laid out that plan as a backup in case they needed to use the "paper" later, and now, it is just irrelevant..if that made any sense at all...lol..
Seriouslysirius
Dec 14 2006, 06:30 PM
I guess that the page containds the dark arts.
It may be used in the future but it could be just showing Malfoy's bullying and evil side coming out to show.
I like that scene aswell.
ChoChangizHot
Dec 15 2006, 06:42 PM
I feel that sinxce it was not in the book that they were just showing how nasty Draco is andhis jealousy of Harry. He is a slytherin he wants power and fame but to his dismay Harry was getting his picture takin with Gilderoy lockhart for the daily prophet front page so naturally Draco waas mad and he ripped apart a page that was possibly one of lockharts writings.
62442al_Man
Dec 24 2006, 10:03 PM
QUOTE(practical magic @ Feb 14 2006, 08:31 PM) [snapback]161025[/snapback]
Was it the film makers way of showing how nasty Malfoy is, or is there something more to it?
That was my interpretation of the scene. Draco isn't a good kid, we have seen him stealing many times. I am sure Draco could've just bought the book, being apart of a rich and wealthy family, it would've been no problem. But why do that when you can just take it. It shows a disregard for other people, rules, and books!
I doubt there is anything else to be interpreted...I doubt there was a significance. But I do wonder what was on that paper. Probably some ways to cheat, or perhaps some spells. Who knows...
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