But he must have heard all the prophecy...it started to repeat itself again at the end as the revolving Trelawney disappeared. It wouldn't have done that if it wasn't the entire prophecy. LV never heard the whole thing though, just the first part.

But it was a good idea anywho....

And just to clarify...occlumancy is the art of shielding one's thoughts from another, legilimancy is the art of seeing other people's thoughts. Harry is qualified in neither - he shares a link with LV through the scar which allows him to see certain things that LV wants (or sometimes doesn't want) him to, but it doesn't allow him to read, say, DD's thoughts about the Order. I think the reason DD didn't want to teach him occlumancy himself was because in order to do so, he would have to open his mind to Harry, which makes him vulnerable to attack by LV - and DD certainly has a lot of secrets that LV would just love to get his hands on.....Snape was the better alternative.

DD wanted him to learn occlumancy not only to protect the Order - Harry knew where the HQ was and so on - but also to protect himself from LV...the poor kid wasn't sleeping and when he was, the pain in his scar was waking him up....

Hmm, she doesn't start repeating herself in my book...

"...THE ONE WITH THE POWER TO VANQUISH THE DARK LARD WILL BE BORN AS THE SEVENTH MONTH DIES..."
The slowly revolving Professor Trelawney sank back into the silver mass below and vanished.
The silence within the office was absolute. Neither Dumbledore nor Harry..." (p. 841 OotP, US Version)

What does it say in yours? Because I'm interested to see this, because it does seem to squash my theory flat, lol.

Eh, it just hit me that she uses the word DIES instead of ENDS or some other word like that. Foreshadowing maybe? Noo

Here you go....

I agree with the poster -- this prophecy bothered me that neither could live while the other survives. I kept thinking 'for how long?' They've both lived while the other survived for 15 years. While reading this prophecy, I pictured Voldemort dieing of old age while Harry gloats. Not a very good prophecy.

it's not a bad prophecy so much, it's just she (JKR) said she worded it carefully for a reason, so I've been reading it carefully, but I can't figure out her reason!

Well, Hagrid said in ss/ps that he didn't suppose that Voldemort had enough human left in him to truly die completely but i think he was dead to some extent. So, therefore, if he was dead in some way, Harry could live... I' m not sure but i do think we're on to something...

I'm not quite sure what I make of the prophecy right now. I'm thinking that maybe it means they both have to die, or that one has to kill the other. I'm not sure right now.

i got a idae what if lv was living off harry you know cause of there conticion that is how he lived to the end of the forth book

vanquish: 1: to overcome in battle: subdue completely
2: to defeat in a conflict or contest
3: to gain mastery over (an emotion, passion, or temptation)

kill: 1: to deprive of life

Definitions are from Merriam Webster's Deluxe Dictionary (Tenth Collegiate Edition). (Note: for kill, there were a lot more definitions, but I only put the relevant one)

So there is a difference between vanquishing someone and killing them. According to the Prophecy, Harry is the only person who can vanquish the Dark Lord, not kill him. There are ways to vanquish someone without killing them. You can subdue them, or gain mastery over them, neither of which involve actually killing them. What I'm wondering is: does Harry have to kill Voldemort, or vanquish him? And, of course, the question that everyone has: how can Harry either kill or vanquish Voldemort if their wands will perform the reverse spell effect? My answer to the second question is that Priori Incantatem will only occur if two spells are fired at exactly the same time from brother wands and they hit each other in midair. Voldemort was able to use the Cruciatus Curse on Harry, and Priori Incantatem didn't happen, even though they have brother wands. Harry could technically do Avada Kedavra to Voldemort and their wands wouldn't connect unless Voldemort also said a spell at the same time. However, I believe that killing (or vanquishing, as the case may be) Voldemort will not be as simple as saying "Avada Kedavra" at the right time. My last question is this: does vanquishing include killing? Does killing someone count as vanquishing them? My belief is that it does, as the second definition of vanquish is "to defeat in a conflict or contest." Well, killing Voldemort would be defeating him in a conflict...However, there are other ways of vanquishing Voldemort, some of which might be more effective that killing him. Remember, "there are things worse than death."

Yeah...I've mentioned this before on one of the other threads around here somewhere...I'm sorry...I really can't remember where exactly.....it was probably on one of the other 'Prophecy' threads....possibly 'Neither Can Live While the Other Survives'...or maybe one of the Marauder ones to do with the silver hand theory....**shrugs** Anyway....

Yeah, I agree with you, 'vanquish' doesn't necessarily mean 'kill'. There are many ways that Harry could defeat LV without killing him and it's probably got something to do with Harry and Wormtails' blood being a part of him now. Maybe Harry will have to sacrifice himself to save everyone else and because LV doesn't understand love like that (greater love hath no man than this, that he would lay down his life for his friends...you know....that old chestnut... ), it will lead him to make some kind of mistake maybe....you know?

I think it will be something far more involved than just a well-placed AK curse though...

As you said, there are things that are far worse than death...although that is what LV fears the most.....

I, personally, want Voldy to die. I hate him so much. I don't really care if there are things worse than death, he just shouldn't live after killing so many people and hurting so many lives.

I know this is kinda mean or whatever but I really don't think he deserves to live after everything he's done.

I like both of y'alls points though.

What is that the prophecy means to you? I'd explain my take on it right now, but I'm at school and the bell rang so I get to go home now.

But tell me what ya think.

I say that one is going to be defeated by the other. I don't know, I just don't think Rowling would make the ending like both will have to die. Most people believe this one is true, and that's what we first got when we read it. I'm like 65% sure about this, so don't take my word for it

^what they said.

p.s. LuciusMalfoy, your avator rocks my socks.

Thanks, MimolaChuck!

At the moment I'm not really sure what I think it means. When I first read it I thought it meant that one has to kill the other. But then I started thinking about it, and how it could also mean that they both have to kill each other. And JKR worded it so perfectly that you can't really be 100% sure what it really means. (which sucks) Oh, well...so yeah, I got confused and I have decided what I think at the moment.

I think it means that they both die. I want both of them to die. It would be better then having the whole wizarding world celebrating Harry's victory if he was alive. I'm kinda sick of him and his hero antics, it gets a little tiresome.

Oh, Triad!! Do I detect a hint of disillusionment with Harry there?

But I understand what you mean....

Personally, I think that the prophecy does mean exactly that - that both of them have to die, and I think that as long as Harry's death isn't purely for dramatic purposes and it does mean something, then I'll be okay about it. I don't particularly want loads of chapters bemoaning Harry's fate though, full of weeping and wailing Weasley's....if they have a kind of positive celebration of his life, then that'll be just fine.

Or, conversely, he might die and then come back 'cos of the Phoenix thing....who knows?

I do have a feeling that Harry is gonna die, and I know that Voldy is gonna die so I guess I'm leaning towards the theory that they're both gonna die.

Analysis time! (If you don't want to read the long and detailed analysis, skip to the recap at the bottom.)

The one with the power to vanquish the Dark Lord approaches

Ok...someone will be born soon with the "power" to vanquish the Dark Lord. Power could mean either an ability (the one with the ability to vanquish the Dark Lord) or a force (the one who has the force/power that is able to vanquish the Dark Lord). Many people believe that it is a force, and that this force is love. If this is the case, many people possess love...there isn't really anything special about Harry's love that sets it apart from the love of anyone else. However, if both the first and the second definitions are used together, it means something like "the one who has the ability to vanquish the Dark Lord be means of this unknown force, which is possibly love." This is the most likely meaning of the word "power," I think.

Born to those who have thrice defied him, born as the seventh month dies

This is rather self-explanatory. The person will be born at the end of the seventh month (July) with parents who have defied Voldemort three times. "Defied" means "resisted." So did Lily and James resist Voldemort three times? I only know of one time when they were around to resist him...did they escape from him three times? This, I think, is the meaning of "defied" in this case. I would love to know the circumstances under which Lily and James escaped from Voldemort three times, but I don't really think we're going to be finding out any time soon, so for now, we'll just have to trust Dumbledore on this one. This makes me a little nervous, because Dumbledore kept the prophecy from Harry for this long, so I don't really want to believe him, but we have no other information. Dumbledore says that Lily and James escaped from Voldemort three times, so that's all we have to go on.

and the Dark Lord will mark him as his equal

Hmmm...Voldemort marked Harry as his equal, huh? Most people think this is the scar, but we learn as early as Book 1 that there is another type of mark. It is not visible, and it is in Harry's skin. This power, is, Dumbledore says, love. (Back to that whole love thing again!) So could it be that the scar isn't marking Harry as Voldemort's equal? What if Voldemort was going to kill (or at least attempt to kill) both Harry and Neville, but it was more conveniant to go after Harry first? What would have happened if he had been closer to Neville's house at the time, and Alice Longbottom sacrificed herself for Neville? Would that mean that Neville was Voldemort's equal forever - just because Voldemort happened to be closer to Neville's house than Harry's? I will admit, this would have changed the story drastically. For one thing, Neville would have the connection with Voldemort instead of Harry. Harry's whole encounter with Tom Riddle would have been very different. PoA would have been, more or less, a normal school year. Sirius wouldn't have gone to Azkaban. Neville would have been guided through the Triwizard Tournament. Neville would have been led to the Department of Mysteries. The list goes on and on. The point is, Harry's connection with Voldemort come from the scar, NOT because Voldemort has makred Harry as his equal. The same connection would have been achieved with ANYONE who lived because of someone else's sacrifice. So the question is, has Voldemort really marked Harry as his equal?

but he will have power the Dark Lord knows not

Here's the power again. Notice that it says "power" and not "the power." This is a subtle but important difference. "Power" would imply importance or authority, whereas "the power" means something similar to what is discussed above: it could be an ability, or a force, such as love. But "power" alone means something different. The word "but" is also important. I know that it is a little word that most of us overlook, but there is a significant meaning to it. With the word "but," the line (including the bit above) reads, "The Dark Lord will mark him as his equal, except there will be something that the Dark Lord wasn't counting on, which is this power (remember: importance or authority)." Also remember that it can't be something that Voldemort knows about, such as Harry's relationship with Dumbledore. It has to be power that Voldemort has no idea that it exists.

and either must die at the hand of the other for neither can live while the other survives

The first part is pretty easy to understand: either Harry kills Voldemort or Voldemort kills Harry. The second part, though, requires some analysis.

According to www.dictionary.com:

live: To pursue a positive, satisfying existence; enjoy life
survive: To remain alive or in existence

Maybe these are the definitions we are supposed to use. It certainly seems to be true for Harry - he can't enjoy life as much as he would like while Voldemort is alive. It also holds true for Voldemort - he can't stand the fact that Harry is alive. Remember, JKR worded this prophecy very carefully, so we have to interpret it very carefully.

The one with the power to vanquish the Dark Lord will be born as the seventh month dies....

This part is very similar to the beginning, and I believe that it has the same meaning. Don't forget, though, that there is a subtle difference between vanquish and kill (see the Vanquish vs. Kill thread for more info). I will say here that you can vanquish someone without killing them, although I won't deny that it would make me happy to see Voldemort really and truly dead.

I personally believe that the whole "either must die at the hand of the other" was thrown in there as a distractor. While it is true, I think that JKR knew that we would focus on that part (we don't want Harry to be murdered or a murderer!), and so she put it there so that we wouldn't think too hard about the more important parts of the Prophecy. I think that these parts are the power, and the marking as equals. This is what we should be focusing on the most. (Watch, now that I've said that, the whole focus of HBP is how Harry has to kill Voldemort unless he wants Voldemort to kill him!)

That said, I'm going to say what I think about the "either must die at the hand of the other." Harry kills Voldemort or Voldemort kills Harry. Voldemort is immortal to almost everything - except Harry (or whoever the "one" might be). Therefore, if Voldemort kills Harry, Voldemort will never die. Ever. Bad things would happen. So let's say that Harry kills Voldemort. Then, Voldemort would be dead, but Harry would NOT be immortal, as Voldemort would be. Someone else could come along and Avada Kedavra Harry (not a happy thought...). Harry is the ONE person who can vanquish Voldemort, but Voldemort is not the only one who can kill Harry. However, either MUST be killed by the other, so Harry is pretty much immune to death until either he kills Voldemort or he is killed by Voldemort. That explains why he didn't die when he fell of his broom in PoA, why keeping Quirrell off the Stone didn't kill him in SS (although that is arguable - Voldemort was part of Quirrell at the time), why Harry never died all the countless times that people thought that he would (at least, all the times that didn't involve a direct confrontation with Voldemort).

RECAP (because I know that was really really long):
- "Power" can mean an ability or a force.
- Harry might not necessarily be marked as Voldemort's equal - yet.
- Neither Harry nor Voldemort can fully enjoy life until the other is dead (although it arguable whether Voldemort is capable of enjoying life!)
- "Either must die at the hand of the other" is a distractor.
- Harry is immune to death until either he kills Voldemort or Voldemort kills him.

"The one with the power to vanquish the Dark Lord approaches... Born to those who have thrice defied them, born as the seventh month dies...And the Dark Lord will mark him as his equal, but he will have power the Dark Lord knows not...And either must die at the hand of the other for neither can live while the other survives... The one with the power to vanquish the Dark Lord will be born as the seventh month dies..."
The prophecy says 'for neither can live while the other survives.' This does not mean that they both have to die. It means that they can not live for a whole lifetime with both of them alive.

I think that it's pretty obvious that either Harry or Voldemort have to die, and I'm also pretty sure that Harry will kill Voldemort because how else would the books possibly end? But the thing is, if Harry kills Voldemort, he will always be haunted by that final battle. I don't think that Harry would really be able to live with himself if he killed Voldemort. Which is why I think that they will both die in the final battle, and not just one of them.

I don't think Harry will die. After all of the injustices that he has suffered it is just too cruel. And I don't think that JKR is that cruel.

I agree with Dragon*Magic. I am not blinded by my adoration of a fictional character called Harry. But there are too many strings to tie up if he dies.

But it kind of goes along with that. Harry has had so many things that he's had to get through and he has so much emotional baggage that I don't really know how anyone could live with all that. Plus if he kills Voldemort, that's one more thing to add to the list (and killing the person who caused him so much pain is a pretty big thing to add to the list).

Unless... He didn't really take his wand or a knife or something and kill him...If a spell backfired, and hit Voldemort, and he died, Harry wouldn't really have killed him himself. He would have just stood there and his mother helped him with love or something?

I really don't understand the prophecy. I wish I could remember it for one. LOL

His mother can no longer help him with love because Voldemort shares Harry's blood. I think that it will be a duel and if Harry lives thats good. If he doesn't we probably should expect that.

First, although the prophecy could have been Harry or Neville, we have no doubt it's about Harry because Voldy "marked him as his equal." Neville may have a part in this but it's not giving Voldy the final blow. Second, Harry may or may not die. JKR said he will live through book 7 but that may mean that the last sentence might be of Harry dieing. And finally, we all know how JKR likes word games so let's go in depth on the words that could be taken at face value by mistake. These caught my attention: Vanquish, either, live, and survive.

Vanquish- To defeat in battle or to overcome or subdue; supress. Supress? But, doesn't Harry kill Voldy? I think this may be a loophole for Harry not becoming a murderer.

Either- One or the other or one and the other... Freaky. They could both die/be supressed.

Live- To exist, to continue to exist, to pursue a satisfying existence, or to remain in the memory of others. Hm. If we do not have any proof or even belief that something exists, do we say it exists? No. Humans said "the earth is flat and the center of the universe!" and only when somebody just guessed by seeing stars move in the wrong direction did we find out "the earth is round and the sun is the center of the galaxy!" Can't remember where I was going with that now. Cursed short term memory. Oh ya! What if we wipe Voldy of his memory somehow? To get rid of existence you can take all evidence of it being there and toss it away. Maybe a bit far-fetched.

Survive- To continue to exist. This is the only one we can take at face value and not at face value. We can take the meaning as it is but we cannot take it in the literal sense. You can survive but not actually live. If not, what do you call the people kissed by dementors? Get the drift?

Not a bad mind twister, that prophecy. We can't make any assumptions with it. JKR can take it at face value or in depth in the strict sense. She can do anything with careful wording. Until she let's out the next 2 books, you're the one who has to do the choosing.

No. Dumbledore is not mentioned in the prophecy. It is all about Harry and Voldy. Sorry but if you still think like that you might have to reread the prophecy chapter in OotP.

i think that the prophecies are a certain thing. they are meant to happen. that is why they are stored so people can keep track and make sure the prophecy's are really happening...?

Prophecies always happen. Real ones anyway. They are generalized just enough that no matter what happens, what is prophesized is the outcome. Just hearing a prophecy can set off a chain of events, making the prophecy true. As for time turner mess ups, if you were to change time, then you would not exist as you just created a different dimension from your past. This will cause you not to go back in time and therefore, you never changed time. But if you never changed time, you go back in time to change it, ect. ect. This is what is called the paradox. It is the reason that Time turners are so regulated. You can create a paradox destroying yourself from the earth in an endless loop that you created for yourself. You cannot change the past. If it was supposed to happen, it happens. Buckbeak never died. He was saved by the future Harry and Hermione. Never in the timeline in any dimension did Buckbeak die or Sirius not escape. It had to happen so it did.

I think that Harry and Neville will fight Voldy, Neville will get killed fighting, which spurs Harry to kill Voldy with the sword of Gryffindor....or even, if u listen to Mrs Rowling saying that something Harry finds in COS correspondes to the last two, maybe a basilisk fang, how could Voldemort escape that death?

Very off topic: Bandoth, the sun is the center of the solar system, not the galaxy. If it was the center of the galaxy, we would all be dead from the pressure.

Anyway, back to the theory...

I wrote a very long analysis of the Prophecy at one point in a thread under "Book Five," but the thread got deleted, and with it, so did the comment. I didn't get any replies, I think, because it was so long. If anyone has any interest, the whole analysis can be found here (it's about a quarter of the way down the page, under the heading "The Prophecy..."), but I'm going to copy the part about how Neville could be important (with minor edits) into this thread.

A prophecy is, I believe, a foretelling of a future event. They all occur at some point. If someone hears a prophecy, it will still occur, because Seers (or whatever force make a prophecy through them) are able to tell the future. They would therefore know if someone will hear the prophecy, and someone hearing the prophecy would influence the actual prophecy, or even the occurance of the events which fulfill the prophecy. I'm not really sure I've been very clear, so I'll give an example to try to explain a little better.

Trelawney made a prophecy during Harry's final in 3rd year that Voldemort's servant would return to him that night. Harry heard this prophecy. However, he doesn't remember it at the point when it would have been crucial for him to remember, and therefore cause the prophecy to not come true. Even though Harry knew about this prophecy, he doesn't remember it when it is important. Because a prophecy is a prediction of the future, the whole future is taken into consideration when the prophecy is made. This includes a person hearing the prophecy.

Another example: Dumbledore heard Trelawney's first Prophecy, and Voldemort learned about the beginning of it. If Voldemort did not know about the prophecy, he wouldn't have attacked Harry as a baby, so Lily and James would still be alive, Sirius wouldn't have been sent to Azkaban, it wouldn't have been revealed that Pettigrew was a traitor, etc. Most importantly, Voldemort would not have been vanquished. Apart from changing the entire story, he wouldn't know that Harry was the only person who could kill him, and, in all likelihood, Harry wouldn't either. Voldemort wouldn't know or care about Harry Potter. I'm sure you can all tell where this is going...it really wouldn't matter to Voldemort if Harry was alive or not. The only reason why "neither can live while the other survives" is because Voldemort did learn about the beginning of the prophecy, and he knows that Harry is a danger to him. The only reason why the Prophecy is true is because Voldemort knows part, and only part, of it.

I hope that makes even a little sense. Any other ideas?

yeah, you right, but that's the hole harry potter about isn't it, if JKR wouldn't have wrote the stroy, we wouldnt sit here right now, and discuss HP. she wrote that voldemort did know about the begining of the prophecy, and that't why he is the-boy-who-lived.

if a prophecy is ruin, it'll still happend, the glass ball is just a copy, like Dumbledore said in OoTP.

someone can't go back in time and change a prophecy that's spoken, because it is already spoken, it wouldn't have been, cause then the one who speak's it lie, wouldn't he/she.

Even if someone doesn't hear the prophecy it'll come true. There is nothing saying that a prophecy has to be heard by a second person to make it complete. For all we know once a prophecy is made some magic seals it into a copy of the prophecy and the real thing. Just because Dumbledore happened to be there when Trelawney made it means nothing, if you remember he was interviewing her for a job, so the fact that he heard the prophecy was a coincidence. And the fact that Harry heard Trelawneys' other prophecy is a coincidence as well. But some could argue that fate stepped in and made sure there were people there to hear it, and your probably right. I'm sure JKR will think up some explanation as to why there are always other people around to hear the prophecies. A prophecy can't be ruined, and it can't be stopped, it can only be stalled. Voldemort could, for example, decide to keep his distance from Harry, knowing that when they do meet one or both of them will die, and there's only a fifty/fifty chance it'll be him that survives. So he can choose to stall the prophecy.

Hmmm...did I imply that a second person had to hear it for it to be true? That's not what I meant at all...but I don't really think what I said before made very much sense. Let me try to explain it again, and see if I can do any better.

I think you might be right, TriadOfDarkness, that magic creates a record of a prophecy after it is made, so there will be a record of it even if nobody heard it. I don't think that someone heard every prophecy, so I don't think there will even be a reason for JKR to come up with an explanation for why someone heard every prophecy that was ever made. What I meant to say before was that when a prophecy is made, it merely foretells events that will happen eventually, no matter what. If someone hears a prophecy, it might influence their decisions in trying to change the prophecy or make it so that there is an outcome that favors them, but they won't be able to change the fact that the prophecy will evnetually come to pass. For example, the prophecy regarding Harry and Voldemort is rather ambiguous. Either Harry will kill Voldemort, or Voldemort will kill Harry, but the prophecy doesn't say which one will happen. Because Voldemort and Harry each know at least part of the prophecy, this knowledge might influence their decisions. Voldemort might try to kill Harry, while he wouldn't if he didn't know about the prophecy. However, eventually, the prophecy will come true. I think what I said before that made it seem like someone has to hear each prophecy is that the prophecy is only true because Voldemort heard part of it. What I meant was that because Voldemort heard the Prophecy, it will play out differently than if he didn't know about it. They outcome of the events foretold in the Prophecy will be different because Voldemort, Dumbledore, and Harry know about the Prophecy.

I hope that's a little bit clearer than what I said before; reading my other post again, I see that I didn't really convey my point very well.

prophecies are a possibility and do make sense even though there was a tiem turner why didnt harry go back and save sirrius from dying and taking the the curse to his chest why couldnt harry prevent the prophecy fro mbreakimng prophecies are basically fate. i guess j.kr was all along hinting that sirriuss fate is to die his aniamgus was a sign of death amd thee way j.kr described sirrius situatiion of how he looked after he got out of azkaban he looked like he was dead. time turners are forbidden by the merlin law not to mess with time terrible things can happen. jkr just has us all dumb founded for now we will see waht she has coming up for us fns next.

i don't think neville has anything to do with the death of voldemort because just like dumbledore siad voldemort picked harry as his equal instead of neville. so harry will have to fight voldemort on his own because the prophecy said that one will have to die at the hand of the other. what i don't get is how will harry and voldemort be able to fight each other if their wands connect together when they try to fight.

I think maybe Neville might have something to do with Killing Voldemort because why else would JKR put in the bit that it could have either been harry or Neville? Maybe in the end harry has to join force with Neville or something?

the reason jk put the part about the person the prophecy was talking could either be harry or neville becuase both their parents ad thrice defied voldemort. but voldemort chose harry so neville shouldn't really have anything to do with the death of voldemort although i do think that neville will play a much bigger role in the next book

Ok, the prophesy included both Harry and Neville. But by attacking Harry, Voldemort put him into the prophesy instead of Neville. I do think that Neville with be included, but not in the death of Voldemort, or Harry, whoever dies.

What if you treat each line in the prophecy as its own sentence? And what if ......"either must die at the hand of the other for neither can live while the other survives"....could.... (this a big stretch) ..... could be Neville and Harry. Why not? Why else go to the trouble of having two potential heroes with near birthdays? Surely the " the speaker to the see-err" and whomever or whatever ( I like to think The Divine Good by what ever name you know it to be or like to use) is working with Professor Trelawney to give this message would know that He-who-must-not-be-named would believe that their are two candidates that could do him great harm. JKR weaves very fine webs, the "time turner" and the bit about "meeting yourself" has consequences. There have been examples of "split" existences with He-who-must-not be named. What if Harry and Neville are only "parts" of each other? ....And Neville may be marked in some unknown way or a part of Harry, we have heard of apartate that have gone badly...Neville was once thought not to have powers at all and this seems to be a "running theme". It could be one or a combination of these things. And if some "event" must take place before Harry or Neville some combination of both kills He-who-must-not-be-named that starts or fulfills the prophecy then that would explain why Dumbledore did not kill He-who-must-not-be-named. And why he would not kill Harry while He-who-must-not-be-named was in him despite he strong desire to end this maniac’s madness in his school and his society. Not that I believe he would, but it was an option. We know from the past he does not ever play a card until it is time i.e. he knows more than he says. And when Dumbledore is fighting He-who-must-not-be-named he says "Merely taking your life would not satisfy me, I admit---” The question is what would satisfy Dumbledore and why?...why?.....why? And why would it satisfy him? Why would death not be enough. Would there not be justice in the death of an evil villain like He-who-must-not-be-named (if that is possible). Or is it not enough "events put right "as he, Dumbledore, had Hermione and Harry do with Buckbeak? How much more of the future has he seen?

And why did He-who-must-not-be-named of all his dark and evil choices choose to taunt Dumbledore about killing him while he was inside Harry.

Okay im contradicting sally....but u said that the mark lord voldy left was not the scar but love, thats wrong to be blunt. harry's mother left the mark that is inside of his skin, his mother left the mark of love....lord voldy left the scar and im sure other things like the parseltongue and things along those lines and also...dumbledore said that the scar proves that lord voldy marked harry. and voldy wouldn't of gone to neville if he was closer...yoru forgetting about aparating (sp?) no distance would matter...and its also explained that voldy went after harry cause he saw himself in harry...look same (which was of course when harry was grown up) the same parentage was a big one

Please correct me if I am wrong, but in the part of the DoM where Harry found his / voldemorts prophecy, the were lots of others.

The big question - could any of the other prophecies hold vital information on the future of the wizarding world?

Mmm...there have been discussions about the prophecies that got broken and were partially heard, whether or not they might have been significant, but as for the others prophecies, I don't know. I thought most of them got broken when Harry kicked the shelves over, but you would think that they would be pretty relevant, wouldn't you? I mean, they must be, to be kept in the DoM...why would they bother otherwise?

I would have thought that the one about Voldemort's return would have been the most relevant of them all.

I guess there's a lot about the DoM that has to be explained yet.